/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.3282812]

Hey /lit/, I've been wondering — if you're so smart, how come you don't have a gf?

[Anonymous No.3282818]

Social anxiety.

Women come on to me pretty regularly - I just can't deal with.

[Anonymous No.3282836]

I'm gay.

[Anonymous No.3282842]

After the physical act of love I feel drained. I do not avoid women, however I do deny them my essence.

[Anonymous No.3282848]

I have a fetish for married women in their 30s and 40s.

[Anonymous No.3282852]

I have too many options at the moment. Once I narrow it down a bit I might have a gf. We rollin' in pussy over here in /lit/.

[Anonymous No.3282858]

i don't have gfs
i have mistresses

[Anonymous No.3282861]

How is one thing related to the other?

[Anonymous No.3282867]

I do.

[Anonymous No.3282872]

I am smart enough to realize that the only girls who want relationships as in a "bf/gf" are dumb idiots.

Smart women want no strings attached rough sex and intelectual conversations, not lovey dovey bullshit.

Also, while love is a recurring theme in literature, this thread lacks literary discussion, that's why i'll sage it.

[Anonymous No.3282874]

>how come

Why do people say this? I have never understood it. It's a waste of breath to say "how come" when "why" will do.

[VurtKonnegut No.3282875]

Because I'm homeschooled.

I've had one before though.

[Anonymous No.3282878]

>>3282872
>smart women
>implying there is such a thing

[Anonymous No.3282879]

>>3282874
I remember when I was 16 and felt like a deep and powerful philosopher because I questioned every fucking mundane thing people do based on some fanciful notion of utility.

LOVE IS JUST A CHEMICAL REACTION IN YOUR BRAIN!

[Anonymous No.3282882]

>>3282878

aaaand we have your answer.

[Anonymous No.3282889]

>>3282879
But it is?
I understand it's not the kind of thing that's wise to dwell on, but I don't understand why people throw it around sarcastically. Everything is.

[Anonymous No.3282899]

>>3282812

>>Hey /lit/, i've been wondering, if you're so smart, how come you are not a famous writer?

>>Hey /lit/, i've been wondering, if you're so smart, how come you are not happy?

>>Hey /lit/, i've been wondering, if you're so smart, how come you don't have a well-paid job?

[Anonymous No.3282902]

>>3282872
>I'm actually stupid as fuck and think i'm a genius.

[Anonymous No.3282907]

>2012
>not being pansexual

[Anonymous No.3282909]

>>3282872

>the only girls who want relationships as in a "bf/gf" are dumb idiots.

>Smart women want no strings attached rough sex and intelectual conversations, not lovey dovey bullshit.

My experience is typically the opposite of this.

Thanks for giving away your real reason, though

[Anonymous No.3282910]

>>3282879
I'm just saying, it's an idiom that makes you sound childish and uneducated, like "um." It seems that it should be a relatively easy fix to make, considering "how come" just means "why." It doesn't take that much willpower to start using a synonym that sounds better.

It's just a pet-peeve, anyway. The topic of this thread is dildos.

[Anonymous No.3282913]

>2012
>having a girlfriend

[Anonymous No.3282923]

>>3282889
The point is that that fact changes nothing. It doesn't follow to say love doesn't exist because it's just chemical reactions in your brain. It has always been that way.

[Anonymous No.3282924]

Because I'm pretty much a schizoid and prefer to immerse myself in my interests instead of other people. Women are almost always very social, so it's hard for me to find much in common with them.

[Anonymous No.3282926]

>>3282923
But it does give you a better perspective on love and emotions

[Anonymous No.3282932]

>>3282924
You're probably not a schizoid.

[Anonymous No.3282936]

>>3282913
>Not only does Europe dominate the narrative of human accomplishment

lel

[Anonymous No.3282942]

>>3282936
India
>0
>Death worship cults

China
>Bunch of shit they never used that the Europeans immediately turned into great inventions when they found it
>Death worship cults

Islam
>1/14th the intellectual achievement of the Ancient Greeks

Europe
>Everything else in history

[Anonymous No.3282956]

>>3282942
I'll never visit India again. They disgust me.

[Anonymous No.3282964]

>>3282942
>trying to bring the merits of each culture from an occidental centric point of view
>forgetting about the aztecs

[Anonymous No.3282977]

>>3282932
I'm actually a diagnosed asspie, so you're probably right. If it wasn't for that, I would easily fit the DSM description.

[Supine !OypYdDKP3c No.3282987]

>>3282942
Before 1776, you mean.

[Anonymous No.3283004]

>>3282977
>I'm actually a diagnosed asspie
mahniggah.jpg

[Anonymous No.3283025]

My teeth are really crooked and I've been trying to get braces for eight years and still haven't gotten them. They're clean and white, but the crookedness causes me to just completely discount any romantic relationships. I don't get nervous anymore around fine ass bitches, just because there is absolutely no chance of them ever touching my dick. It's liberating, in a way, but goddamn I hate my life.

[Anonymous No.3283034]

I have a deep seated fear of being accused of rape falsely. Therefore, I can't stand being with a woman alone for any period of time.

[Anonymous No.3283035]

>>3283025
satre got biches did u see that cunt he was ugoo as fucoo.

tufen up .
cumon.

step it up.

[Anonymous No.3283046]

>>3282977
>asspie
>ass pie
WHY.
Also, chances are the DSM-5 will do away with both Asperger's and SPD this coming May, so in a few months you'll be back to normal!

[Anonymous No.3283064]

>>3283046
Assburglar's syndrome is just being replaced by "autism spectrum disorders" or something like that if I remember right.

I didn't hear about SPD, but that really doesn't deserve to be called a disorder, anyway.

[Anonymous No.3283066]

I build fantasies in my head of the people I want to meet,
and routinely I am betrayed and disappointed.

[Anonymous No.3283073]

>>3283034

>I have a deep seated fear of being accused of rape falsely

>In order to avoid this, I immediately tear the clothes off of and brutally rape any woman with whom i am left unsupervised.

This has actually added enormously to my popularity among women.

[Anonymous No.3283084]

>y u no bf, femanon?
I am only attracted to men that aren't available.
tl;dr daddy issues

[Anonymous No.3283085]

To me, right now, having a girlfriend is not a good idea. College was a good time but I didn't meet any girls I wanted to be in a relationship with.

[Anonymous No.3283086]

>>3283084
Femanon here.

[Anonymous No.3283096]

>>3283084
I'll lie to you and use you like a semen depository.

Then you'll truly want your father.

[Anonymous No.3283102]

Honest answer:

1. Poverty

I had a career, but I was miserable -- so I gave it up to write. Now I'm poor and happy. Sadly, I haven't found a woman who enjoys living as frugally as I do. Many say they can, but most grow bitter and sad when they hear about their girlfriends' new clothes / purses / apartments / houses / vacations, etc. This is one reason I've started to shy from relationships.

2. Lack of Recognition

I've had a few stories published in well-known journals. I recently finished the twenty-seventh revision of my first novel manuscript, people seem to like it, and I'm getting ready to send it off to agents -- but I'm still not proven. I'm not a poor novelist; I'm a poor guy who wants to be a novelist. This is okay if you're 21. I'm 31.

3. Introversion

In order to be fun-loving around others, I need to spend the majority of my time alone. I don't mean sitting with my girlfriend in the same room while we're both quietly doing our own thing. I mean being alone from everyone, including her, for hours. I'm sure there are women who understand and appreciate this quirk. Sadly, I haven't found them yet.

4. Average Sexual Drive / Ability

I'm of average build and height. I have a small to middling cock. I've never 'wowed' a girl in bed. My tastes are vanilla. No girl has ever dated me for the sex.

5. Pornography

It's free. It's everywhere. It's quick. It eliminates the urge. I can get back to work.

6. No Desire to Procreate

Several reasons why. I think most on /lit/ understand.

7. No Desire to Marry

I get an intensely strong urge to have 3D sex every eight months or so. I keep fit and eat well, and I'm not too socially inept at parties -- so finding a hookup with isn't impossible. While I can see the benefits to marriage, I'm very wary of its binds. As long as a friendly, fun, semi-annual affair can recharge my spirit, I'd rather leave it at that.

And that's why I don't have a gf.

[Anonymous No.3283103]

>>3283096
No anon
you are the father

[Anonymous No.3283112]

>>3283084
>I'm only attracted to men who aren't alive.
>tl;dr daddy issues

How do women get so messed up from "daddy issues?" My dad basically ignored me for 18 years and I don't have any daddy issues to speak of.

[Anonymous No.3283114]

>>3283103

[Anonymous No.3283137]

Because I wasted the couple formation years in an aimless relationship. I guess there's other reasons as well, like lack of interest, despite having a functional libido.

[Anonymous No.3283141]

>>3283102
or mayb ur just ugly

[Anonymous No.3283146]

>>3283102
>dat narcissism

[Anonymous No.3283152]

>>3283141

Implying ugly people don't get into relationships

[Anonymous No.3283157]

very picky
i'll fuck the plebs and tell em i love em but i'd never commit to one in any kind of way

besides i have writing to focus on

[Anonymous No.3283167]

>>3283152
ugly relationships

Also, being ugly and having all those problems makes you completely undesirable to anyone.

[Anonymous No.3283233]

>>3283112
or do you? *waggles eyebrows*

seriously though, I'm sure the patriarchy is to blame.

[Anonymous No.3283263]

I have several on again off again girlfriends, and two relatively steady ones that think the world of me, and get along great with one another

tfw: I'm apparently Archie

[Anonymous No.3283281]

>>3282812
>2012
>having social life
>not being intelectually superior and isolating yourself from the rest of the dumb society

[Anonymous No.3283291]

>you will never know what this feels like

[Anonymous No.3283293]

>>3283281
Funnily enough, I thought isolation would make me smarter. How wrong I was.

[Anonymous No.3283296]

>>3283291
That's okay, I don't like people grabbing my ass anyway.

[Anonymous No.3283297]

>>3283296
btw im a girl

[Anonymous No.3283302]

>>3283291
yeah i do. And y'know what. It's satisfying sexually, but really you're playing with somebody's glutes.

[Anonymous No.3283303]

>>3283281
I wish I could do this because it would be so simple, but being alone for too long just depresses me, no matter what, I can't deal with it. Gotta have people.

[Anonymous No.3283306]

>>3283293
it was ironic (though you can't argue that most of the geniuses do isolate themselves from the rest of the society).

[Anonymous No.3283307]

>>3283303
Only truNEETs are allowed on /lit/, please go normie.

[Anonymous No.3283309]

>>3283102
>My tastes are vanilla

Confirmed for prideful pleb who thinks he's smarter than he is

[Anonymous No.3283311]

>>3283293
>How wrong I was.
please, dear monsieur, enlighten us; what new have you learned?

[Anonymous No.3283312]

>>3282842
>dis nigga

[Anonymous No.3283315]

>>3283293
Isolation hasn't made me smarter in a sense of knowledge, but it has vastly improved my ability to think. Because that's all I do all day, just think.

[Anonymous No.3283318]

>>3283307
Why does /jp/ share so many posters with /lit/ and /pol/? They are like polar opposites.

[Anonymous No.3283327]

>>3283102

Wow, this sounds exactly like me in roughly 5 years I have most of those traits. I don't find you narcissistic at all. It's unfortunate women are so status driven and lack the desire for self-cultivation.

[Anonymous No.3283332]

I happen to have a girlfriend who loves me and all.

However, we have several problems. First, we are far away from each other and we're already tired of having to travel. Second, I fear serious relationships and I always feel "stuck". Third, she is in a constant hurry and I'm constantly slowing things down. Forth, she has depression and I'm bipolar, so we fuck our heads up. Five, different classes, families don't match. Six, we are both out of jobs at the moment and it's hard to make any plans this way.

It's weird, I don't know what is going to be of me and her. Maybe we get married next year, but at the same time we are on the brink of breaking up forever. I need to make an effort to be with her that I'm not willing to make at the state that I'm in.

[Anonymous No.3283335]

>>3283327

i dont get why he was called narcissistic either

its not like he doesnt recognize his shortcomings (lel)

[Anonymous No.3283341]

>tfw all hippy girls are bleeding heart liberals and I'm a fascist

I guess opposites do attract..

[Anonymous No.3283342]

>>3283327
>lack the desire for self-cultivation.

*cough* copious amount of pretentious makeup, expensive clothing brands, getting their hair done every 3 days etc. *cough*

[Anonymous No.3283347]

>>3283311
You see, bro, I thought a complete isolation from society would be the answer not only for my intellectual development, but for my happiness and well-being too. So I dropped out. And now I'm your average NEET shut-in who does nothing but reading and browsing the chans all day everyday. The result? If anything, I'm more stupid than ever. In adition, depression (and its inherent anhedonia) is turning me into a life-denying hack. So here you have me, desperate and feeling like shit all the time. What have I learned? I learned that my decision was literally like digging my own grave. I learned that isolation is not the answer to anything; that one must seek experience above all. However it's too late for this kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.3283349]

>>3283341
Hitler was a vegetarian environmentalist who fought for animal rights. There's still hope.

[Anonymous No.3283357]

I actually do have a girlfriend, at the moment, but that will change soon enough. I usually try to avoid relationships because I, more often than not, find myself in the same exact situation. I always get tired or bored or annoyed by the girl I'm with and break it off usually because they overwhelm me with lovey-dovey shit from the get-go and that's just not okay.

Really, I just want a fuck buddy who I can talk to about things and not have so much expected of me or be expected to be a certain way.

[Anonymous No.3283369]

>>3283341
you're just attracted to that raw vitality, the stuff of which is the blood that pumps through a fascist heart.

[Anonymous No.3283370]

>>3283341
How come conservatives don't want to "conserve" the environment? It seems like something that would be in their sphere.

[Anonymous No.3283371]

>>3283297
nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.3283372]

>>3283342
I shouldn't have said merely self-cultivation. I mean deep intellectual cultivation. If a woman were to stay with a guy who gives up a good job to write. She would be laughed at and the guy looked upon as a failure. It's regrettable that this is the case, but it is. If you're an introvert with no desire to marry or have children it's going to be an uphill battle to find a mate.

[Anonymous No.3283373]

>>3283370
because humans are more important.

[Anonymous No.3283374]

>>3283371

[Anonymous No.3283375]

>>3283357
Here, I forgot to mention all the texting. Jesus Christ, maybe I pick the wrong women or something, but there is no reason to talk 24/7 because I for goddamn sure do not have enough to talk about and just resort to ignoring and/or one word responses. You have to have other things to do, right? RIGHT?

[Anonymous No.3283378]

>>3283375
>owning a phone

Why are there so many normalfags on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.3283382]

>>3283347
>that one must seek experience above all.
what kind of experience do you crave of, dear monsieur? do you not know the nature of an ignorant and instinctive man? the majority is like this; i sincerely doubt you'll acquire any wisdom worth synthesizing amongst your peers. you need to gradually get over your existential crisis.

>depression
heavy compound weight lifting, 3 times a week; thank me later.

[Anonymous No.3283383]

>>3283347
I dropped out of school 2 years ago, and I've never been happier. It gave me a long time to get my shit together and figure out some important things, but I plan to go back next year.

[Anonymous No.3283394]

>>3283357
>Really, I just want a fuck buddy who I can talk to about things and not have so much expected of me or be expected to be a certain way.
This. I don't even want him to pay for dinner. Just hang out with me, or invite me over while you hang out with your friends. Then pull me into your room and fuck my brains out... and don't expect more than that. We can be the best friends ever, even, but don't ask me for more because I can't give it. Don't tell your friends who I am, never introduce me to anyone. It doesn't matter. What matters is that I get to hear you be brilliant at some point, on whatever topic it is that you're brilliant about. I want to hear you talk about the thing you're passionate about. That is so hot. But don't call me your girlfriend... ever. I hate that shit.

[Anonymous No.3283398]

>>3283394

[Anonymous No.3283419]

>>3283347
Hopefully your case was an isolated incident (for my sake) - I plan on taking a vow of silence and completely isolating myself after I finish my degree soon. Good luck

[Anonymous No.3283420]

Would you? She needs a strong Aryan man to sweep her off her feet.

[Anonymous No.3283425]

>>3283394
Lel

[Anonymous No.3283428]

>>3283394
...And by 2014 you've magically changed your mind.

[Anonymous No.3283444]

>>3283420
>implying she NEEDS a man

Oh wait, I forgot I'm on /lit/ where everyone is a misogynist. No, us females don't need you, in fact most of the time we don't even want you. Sorry to ruin your little fantasies about "sweeping a girl off her feet"(an archaic saying dating back to chivalry aka misogyny and the idea that women need to be taken care of).

[Anonymous No.3283449]

>>3283419
it's not. i'm in exactly the same boat.
humans need outside stimulation from society.
no matter your intentions or how hard you try to give yourself this in a controlled manner, you will decay intellectually, gray out, and become half a person.

[Anonymous No.3283460]

>>3283444
>Oh wait, I forgot I'm on /lit/ where everyone is a misogynist. No, us females don't need you, in fact most of the time we don't even want you. Sorry to ruin your little fantasies about "sweeping a girl off her feet"(an archaic saying dating back to chivalry aka misogyny and the idea that women need to be taken care of).
Her sign says she needs a man. Do you think she would lie on that sign? I doubt it, she might get marker on her shirt.

[Anonymous No.3283465]

>>3283444
this, but in a mild sense. female, here. relationships have no appeal. i'd rather focus on work and improving my skill set, though i generally wish everyone well.
yeah. back to literature, now.

[Anonymous No.3283474]

>>3283444
>>3283465

>they've never been in love

[Anonymous No.3283479]

>>3283465
>female, here.

Nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.3283480]

I moved a lot as a kid and so only had a few friends. I became very insecure, and so, by high school, even when girls showed interest in me, I couldn't pursue any because I "didn't know what to do" and didn't want to embarrass myself. Additionally, I always felt that the large majority of my classmates were much less mature than me, and thus hard to relate to.

Now I'm in college. I've shed most of my insecurities, but given my complete lack of romantic experience, I'm afraid of getting intimate with any girl. (Actually, I was asked last month on a date my a classmate that saw me on the city bus, and we went on a few dates that culminated in—gasp—us holding hands. That thing kinda stalled I think, but it was good experience.)

I always imagined I would meet a girl that was an intellectual/personality match, and things would just sorta make sense and that I would know what to do. It hasn't happened, so, at 20, I feel pressured to just settle for someone so I don't end up a permavirg. Thanks for reading.

[Anonymous No.3283486]

>>3283428
nope, 10 years going strong of those same feels, anon.

[Anonymous No.3283517]

>>3283444
You know, you should have taken a breather, read the sign, and just sat down for a few minutes. Perhaps, you could have saved yourself the time from typing your tirade.

[Anonymous No.3283545]

>>3283517

> implying unattractive females can control the triggers that send them into a typhoon of angry keyboard clicks

[Anonymous No.3283558]

>>3283545
lulz. here it comes, anon. brace yourself.

[Anonymous No.3283562]

>>3283558
>Implying that any negative response to that post won't prove the post's point

[Anonymous No.3283570]

ITT: why feminism is not only valid but necessary

I have a cock, btw

[Anonymous No.3283578]

>>3283570
What is feminism?

[Anonymous No.3283583]

>>3283460
>>3283570
>>3283558
>>3283545
>>3283465
>>3283517
I'm a guy, that post was meant to be fucking satire.

[Anonymous No.3283586]

In the history of mankind as a species, an average of 40% of men successfully passed their genes to future generations, compared to an average of 80% for women. Today's human population is descended from twice as many women as men. This is (widely acknowledged) proof that women function as sexual selectors, and that men evolved risk-taking and ambition behaviours to compete for mating rights. Studies:
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/11/2047.long
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.6231.pdf

A lecture on the implications, by an eminent, tenured professor of Psychology:
http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm

A documentary which touches on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70

More studies on how this psychological difference manifests culturally:
>Is there a gender difference in strength of sex drive?
http://www.csom.umn.edu/assets/71520.pdf
>Sexual Economics: Sex as a Female Resource for Social Exchange in Heterosexual Interactions
http://www.csom.umn.edu/Assets/71503.pdf
>Cultural Suppression of Female Sexuality
http://www.femininebeauty info/suppression.pdf
>Female polygyny/hypergamy
http://www.nber.org/public_html/confer/2008/si2008/EFABG/saint-paul.pdf
http://www.econ.washington.edu/user/erose/hypergamy_v2a_paper.pdf
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1000202
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2743334
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v41/n1/abs/ng0109-8.html

Esther Vilar's seminal work on the concept that women enjoy a parasitic relationship with men, composed decades before this research (albeit intuited by thinkers as early as Schopenhauer, and supposed by most scientists for generations):
http://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Vilar,Esther/ManipulatedMan.html The text itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Esther_Vilar&oldid=442296393 Synopsis.
http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/vilar.html A preview.

[Anonymous No.3283599]

>>3283583
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

[Anonymous No.3283601]

>>3283545

fuck you, anon. seriously. you think you're smug and above it all in your parents' basement, looking down on the world for not recognizing your talent, and dismissing all the women who have been disgusted by you since kindergarten as "sensitive" and "illogical" and "self-obsessed." here's a google news alert for you: you're not worth anything, and won't be anything without the love of a woman. so keep it up. keep hating on us. keep masturbating to your porno. just remember that you're growing older every day, growing more isolated and insignificant.

[Anonymous No.3283606]

>>3283601
2/10

[Anonymous No.3283608]

>>3283578

It's a very wide school of thought with all kinds of disparate notions about culture and reality.

My personal brand of feminism is an egalitarian mode of thinking with a focus on the removal of a male-centric cultural heritage (i.e. patriarchy leads to oppression of females, an imbalance of power that harms both men and women in the long run)

[Anonymous No.3283611]

>>3283608
If patriarchy is completely socially constructed and has no biological basis, what is your reasoning for its prominence among pretty much every culture ever?

Why haven't there been any successful matriarchal societies?

[Anonymous No.3283614]

>>3283601
At least they thought he was sensitive.

[Anonymous No.3283615]

>>3283614
That's a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.3283620]

>>3283578
DYER?

[Anonymous No.3283623]

>>3282909
My experience is exactly this.

The girls I've met who wanted to be in relationship after I've known them for a week, are generally stupid. They also put much weight on the whole concept of "bf/gf".

The smart girls i've met have had amazing sex with me, and talked about intellectual stuff we shared interest it, and we cut it off when we didn't "spark" anymore. You can call it love and whatever, but hollywood ruined the term to have any real aesthetic meaning

[Anonymous No.3283624]

>>3283620
He probably only reads good books.

[Anonymous No.3283631]

>>3283611

Oh fuck. He's deploying logic. Everyone take cover. This isn't going to be pretty.

[Anonymous No.3283639]

>>3283480
Attempt to pursue girls, but tell yourself youll never have sex with them. Youll get to know these girls, find out you dont love them, gain experience in dealing with girls, and keep your romantic self pure.

You need to force the moment, you need to take control.

[Anonymous No.3283649]

>>3283611

should i feel bad for thinking she'd offer thoughtful answers to these questions?

[Anonymous No.3283650]

>>3283611

Patriarchy certainly has its origins in biology as well as the social factory. The one perhaps follows from the other. It's important, imo, to separate what is from what ought to be. Egalitarianism is very rare in nature - but humanity has had an interest in the evolutionarily novel for a very long time.

Whether or not there have been any 'true' matriarchal societies is somewhat up to contention - the Iroquis being a classic example.

[Anonymous No.3283651]

>>3283601
>and won't be anything without the love of a woman.
this is the point at which you were definitely full-blown dumbass. cunts are not diamond handbags, sweetheart. take your smug fairyland dreampussy and go back to /mu/ or wherever the fuck. you are what is driving the genderwagon in reverse.

[Anonymous No.3283659]

>>3283649

Why are you bringing my sex into this?

I always thought bringing up sex was frowned upon here - hence the whole 'tits or gtfo' phenomenon.

If I had a camera I'd show you my rashy cock with a timestamp

[Anonymous No.3283662]

>>3283650

> Iroquis being a classic example

[Anonymous No.3283669]

>>3283611
Because men are biologically made to be physically stronger than women.

Woman are still equally intelligent, and more importantly, of equal 'worth', or what you want to call it.

People who are born without legs are physically inferior, and have always been in the bottom of socities, that doesn't mean they're anything less worth in our day, since we don't seek a persons value in their physical appearance anymore.

[Anonymous No.3283678]

>>3283650
If you accept that Patriarchy has its origins in biology, and that egalitarianism is all but completely absent in nature, why exactly is feminism "needed"? Why seek to make different things the same? This will never happen, because the very brains of the two sexes are completely different.

They have different desires, different goals. Men and women have different roles to play in respect to one another, and they certainly are not interchangeable social constructs.

>>3283669
Men are biologically made to be physically stronger, but there are no differences between male and female brains? This is simply not true.

[Anonymous No.3283681]

>>3283650
>Ought
Tell me, good sir, where in the current state of being do we find un-relativistic evidence that something should be different from what it already is?

[Anonymous No.3283683]

Got my heart "broken" in high school by my first "love". Then i went trough a phase of "all women are vapid whores" as a backlash in my teenaged agnst filled 1st and 2nd years of college and resulted in absolutely no pussy being slayd. lel so edgy

Then I came to my senses 3rd year of college and realized that women aren't evil wenches afterall. At that point in my life though, I didn't want a girlfriend. I as having fun being single and hooking up. There's a certain rush you get man, hooking up with new chicks (95% of hich I never talk to again) It's a feeling unlike any other and I chased that feeling and those highs for 3 years.

No, I'm in medschool and I really want a girlfriend but I literally don't have the time to get one. I can't sacrifice my education for a biddy, and so a serious relationship will have to wait for another 5 years most likely.

[Anonymous No.3283688]

Pretty sure that /lit/ has the one of the lowest rates of virginity and being single of any board on 4chan

[Anonymous No.3283694]

>>3283659
Would you prefer that we refer to you in the subhuman "it" or the phallocentric "he"?

[Anonymous No.3283700]

>>3283681

Why does it necessarily need to be un-relativistic to be important to me?

>>3283678

>why exactly is feminism "needed"?

The oppression of individuals is less than savory. My ethical mode of thinking follows from this axiom.

>They have different desires, different goals. Men and women have different roles to play in respect to one another, and they certainly are not interchangeable social constructs.

Feminism and egalitarianism both can take into account certain biological differences. Saying that men and women have to play certain 'roles' because of their biology is a leap.

[Anonymous No.3283701]

unattractive physically and just watched a recording and realized i have an awful voice

[Anonymous No.3283710]

>>3283662

Don't know why you're dismissing this, Anon. I just started dipping into the canon of classic Iroquois literature. I struck by the complexity of A Tale of Two Teepees, the lyric beauty of The Rhyme of the Ancient Berry Picker, and the haunting passages of Smoke Signal M for Muh Native Genocide.

[Anonymous No.3283715]

>>3283623
Where did you meet these girls?

[Anonymous No.3283723]

>>3283700
>Why does it necessarily need to be un-relativistic to be important to me?

Relativistic ideals can be important to you, but they can equally be discarded by everyone else at no error being committed.

You could discard it right now and you wouldn't be wrong in doing it.

[Anonymous No.3283732]

>implying I'm allowed to read when I'm with a live in girlfriend

I gave up on relationships for a while. I'm too much of a man child to think my personal interests are less important then pleasing someone else (out of fear of a women yelling/screaming/crying at me). I rather do the things I like, masturbate to the amazing selection of porn the internet has to offer, and continue playing computer games/watching physics videos/doing whatever the fuck I want.

Sorry ladies

[Anonymous No.3283737]

>>3283723

That rabbit-hole just leads to an extreme nihilism.

Value's either assumed somewhere or it isn't.

[Anonymous No.3283738]

>>3283710

>Smoke Signal M for Muh Native Genocide

[Anonymous No.3283740]

>>3283700
>The oppression of individuals is less than savory. My ethical mode of thinking follows from this axiom.

So it's just your opinion that feminism is good, society doesn't really "need" it.

>Feminism and egalitarianism both can take into account certain biological differences.

But if men and women are biologically different, and possess certain traits the differ from one another, they can never truly be equal. For example, women now outnumber men in colleges, but they tend to stick to liberal arts while men dominate the hard sciences. It's called a different in preference, but that doesn't keep feminists from crying foul and claiming math is patriarchal. You see my friend, society will always value different attributes, and if those attributes are more in-line with one sex than the other, they will not be equal. This will always be true.

>Saying that men and women have to play certain 'roles' because of their biology is a leap.

Say that someone pressed a button and altered female biology to only want to be a housewife, and that's it. Their housekeeping skills were all improved and they were much better at it than their male counterparts. Would it be fair to say that in that context, a woman's role would be in the house? Now obviously this is exaggerated, but you can't deny that the sexes have inclinations towards certain kinds of behavior, and we would be wise as a society to take these into account when determining where the sexes each both respective to one another.

[Anonymous No.3283749]

>>3283723
>>3283737
Im enjoying the conversation between you two, some clarification for me though.

Are either of you roughly arguing about relativism is true, relativism is leading to nihilism, and overcoming nihilism is doable and good?

Sorry but
>Value's either...
threw me off

[Anonymous No.3283757]

>>3283740
I think theyre arguing that they personally think that society needs it. I dont know what you mean by "really" need it.

[Anonymous No.3283767]

>>3283757
Thus the quotation marks.

[Anonymous No.3283769]

>>3283732

Yep, this nails it. I've never been in a relationship where the girl doesn't a) show sadness about doing thing alone while I read in the other room, and b) constantly nudge me to stop reading and watch TV with her.

"It's something we can do together, Anon. We can't read together."

"Let's read to each other."

"Uuughh! No fuuunnnnn."

[Anonymous No.3283774]

>If you're so smart how come you don't have a gf?

My intelligence or lack there of has nothing to do with it OP.

The problem is that I found the Queen among Women.

I've lifted this girl to such a level of perfection, in my mind, that every other female pales in comparison to her.

However, because of this, I'm also terrified to actually interact with her in any other way than from a distant social position, for fear that I'll discover something about her that disproves my setting of her as THE standard.

[Anonymous No.3283778]

>>3283767
But then arent you being redundant by saying, then its just your opinion?

>>3283769
That sounds fucking horrifying

[Anonymous No.3283781]

>>3283740


>So it's just your opinion that feminism is good, society doesn't really "need" it.

All ideas of what society 'needs' are based on personal referents of one kind or another.
>they can never truly be equal.

This is a given, and not necessarily desirable.

>they tend to stick to liberal arts while men dominate the hard sciences.

The reason behind this is perhaps a complicated one. It may play into our cultural notions of what men and women ought to do. It may be biological in nature. Something worth looking into.

> It's called a different in preference

That stems from what?

> society will always value different attributes

And this, too, changes over time and with thought.

[Anonymous No.3283783]

>>3283749

Overcoming nihilism is necessary for the evolution of culture/society etc.

[Anonymous No.3283785]

>>3283774
I do the same thing, only I dont have an actual girl that is the basis for the standard

[Anonymous No.3283791]

>>3283774
Only betas are affected by one-itis. Man up, boy.

[Anonymous No.3283792]

>>3283783
Right, just making sure I understood what you two were saying

[Anonymous No.3283794]

>>3283785
>I do the same thing, only I dont have an actual girl that is the basis for the standard

So you have a waifu?

[Anonymous No.3283798]

>>3283783
By what method do you overcome nihilism

[Anonymous No.3283801]

>>3283769
Even extremely important things. When I was in college, if I was studying my GF at the time would nudge me to stop studying to go for a walk or something. That's fine and all, but when I tried that shit on her it was completely forbidden. HOW DARE I INTERRUPT HER STUDIES. Girlfriends total hypocrites. I just can't do it anymore. It's a catch 22 because I love sex and all, but the amount of work to get it seems like it isn't worth it. And porn is so good now, and available in HD for free, I just don't see the point (until I want to have children)

[Anonymous No.3283802]

>>3283798

Faith

[Anonymous No.3283805]

>>3283798
Kierkegaard

[Anonymous No.3283809]

>>3283798

Ignoring it.

[Anonymous No.3283811]

>>3283794
No, I just have the tragedies and comedies that play in my mind.

>>3283802
God damn it Kierkegaard, why the fuck did you have to break off the engagement for angst.

[Anonymous No.3283812]

>>3283798

Shitposting

[Anonymous No.3283814]

>>3283774

>Using the term "Queen Among Women" for that one girl you like

Jesus christ, are you me?

[Anonymous No.3283815]

>>3283798
By becoming superman.

[Anonymous No.3283820]

>>3283791

>one-itis

Wow

[Anonymous No.3283822]

>>3283778
>That sounds fucking horrifying

I've had multiple live in girlfriends, it is totally 100% like this. After a while they stop giving you sex too, and on top of that court other people for social recreation. So not only did they stop trying with you, they are going out of their way to impress new people. So you have this warlord who bitches at you day in day out for doing anything by yourself, and you get the jealousy of watching her put on a show for the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.3283832]

>>3283822
Guy you replied to.

Why do you put up with this?

My experience in romance has been always: they surprise me, I seduce them, we spend a day or two together, I get bored and leave.

[Anonymous No.3283849]

>>3283783
Overcoming nihilism is necessary for the evolution of culture/society because only by the elimination of nihilism are we able to define "positive growth"!

[Anonymous No.3283855]

>7th Grade
>Silver Valley High School, CA
>Like this one girl, who'll be identified as Rachel for anon purposes
>Think she's a really awesome person, but not totally sure because I'm stand-offish and shy
>During P.E. we're allowed to do whatever we want, so no-friends me just spends the entire hour walking around the half-mile track
>During one P.E. session Rachel comes up to me and asks "Hey, anon, can we hold hands?"
>Just for reference, I've never had a girlfriend at that point and girls were a complete mystery to me, though I knew they were appealing
>Without waiting for my answer, she grabs my hand and begins walking with me around the track for about 15 minutes
>I'm staring at the ground the entire time, losing my shit in my mind, terrified and confused as to what was going on
>After 15 minutes, she says "Ok, thanks anon, Richard was being mean today, so I needed to make him jealous for a bit."
>She runs off
>I find out later that day that Richard is her boyfriend, who hit me so hard after school that I broke my nose
>When my parents asked I told them I feel down and broke it.

Not that I had any chance for romance for the first place, BUT IF I DID, it was this incident with Rachel that absolutely colored my viewpoint of all women today.

And, it's why I like to think I have no qt gf

[Anonymous No.3283860]

>>3283849

Precisely. I for one am glad not to be living in the middle ages.

[Anonymous No.3283863]

>>3283855
>Like this one girl, who'll be identified as Rachel for anon purposes

Why do people do this? You could just type her actual first name and no one would know.

[Anonymous No.3283868]

>>3283855

Ha

HAHAHAHA

Oh man, I really hope you made that up, because that's just fucking sad.

[Anonymous No.3283872]

>>3283832
I don't any more

[Anonymous No.3283876]

>>3283860
You are only glad of anything because you're not nihilistic.

The whole good/bad dichotomy isn't present in a nihilistic vocabulary. All you people are saying is that "X is better than not-X because X!" It's highly circular and unconvincing to someone who doesn't also hold your opinion.

[Anonymous No.3283880]

>>3283822

God, that feel. I know it so well.

The worst is being reminded that "relationships take work."

I can't imagine it was like this fifty years ago. The wooing process? Yeah, that takes work. Raising children? Definitely. But this notion that every established sexual relationship is a "job" that requires constant attention? That has to be a recent construct.

It might be manageable if I didn't already have one job, plus a desire to write. Now you want me spend more time focusing my attention on "bonding"?

[Anonymous No.3283896]

I've had one for 3 months. And she's qt.

[Anonymous No.3283900]

>>3283876

All we can really be sure of is that we think. Beyond that, some assumptions have to be made if we're to have any sort of ethical system in place. Axioms like 'suffering is bad', etc. By no means do you have to believe in any sort of ethical system. You also don't have to believe in the furthering of society. Some of us choose to, arbitrarily. Because of what we feel.

[Anonymous No.3283902]

>>3283880
>YOU'RE NOT BONDING WITH ME THE WAY I WANT YOU TO! THIS ISN'T WORKING!
>I WANT YOU TO CHANGE BUT I CAN'T CHANGE WHO I AM, I HAVE SELF RESPECT.
Can't we just embrace our differences and--
>NO.

[Anonymous No.3283913]

>>3283896

Go to bed, Tao.

[Anonymous No.3283922]

>>3283732
>>3283769
>>3283801
>>3283822
>>3283880
>>3283902

> career
> relationship
> writing

pick two

[Anonymous No.3283931]

>>3283922

If I pick writing, doesn't that mean I do well enough at it for it to be a career as well?

I pick relationship and writing, with the latter picking up career on the backspin.

[Anonymous No.3283940]

>>3283931
depends on how well you write, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.3283948]

>>3283931
He means you can write and have a relationship, but your relationship will take so much time you won't be able to get good enough to make a career out of it.

[Anonymous No.3283955]

>>3283931

Can it be done? Sure, in theory.

[Anonymous No.3283958]

>>3283948

...So then I pick Career and Relationship, with my career being Writing.

[Anonymous No.3283970]

>>3283958

If you're a writer who can support himself on the sale of his books (or have family money), there's no stopping you.

[Anonymous No.3283998]

>>3283958
Slow down, cowboy! You can't pick writing as your career because you can't earn money immediately with it. You're going to have to pick something to finance your girlfriend's fancy anniversary dinners, half-anniversary dinners, mensiversary dinners, Christmas and birthday presents, sporadic shopping escapades (because she "deserves it"), fancy biannual honeymoons to Cancun, including the purchase of a new ring and the renewal of vows (your writing practice might come in handy here, because you'll have to write your own vows, and there is no critic more severe than your woman), the baby you're about to have because she "forgot" to take her birth control pill,... You get the point.

tl;dr - Why do you think it's okay to pick career and relationship, the career being writing, when you already tried to pick relationship and writing, writing being the career, and couldn't?

[Anonymous No.3284009]

>>3283958
>"How dare you put your career on the same level as me! I am the most important thing in your life, aren't I?"

[Anonymous No.3284012]

>>3283998

>thinks my gf isn't a marxist

Not all of us are ahistorical materialists

[Anonymous No.3284018]

>>3284012
>Implying marxists value art
>"Why don't you get a real job and benefit society?"

[Anonymous No.3284021]

I don't have a gf because I'm smart.

I'm too smart to go out with the most girls, who are stupid (among other things)..

/thread.

[Anonymous No.3284025]

>>3284018

>can't into anarcho-communism

[Anonymous No.3284027]

>>3284021

What a hilarious second line.

You've been spending too much time on 4chan in lieu of real life.

[Anonymous No.3284054]

>>3284025
Trust me, when you make one wrong move-
it could be anything: it could be forgetting an article of clothing in the dryer, leaving a dish in the sink, mowing the lawn in the wrong direction, coming home 5 minutes late without calling, spending too much money on gasoline, referencing a coworker by the pronoun "she" - anything! - she WILL find other things wrong with you, no matter how hard she has to look, even if she has to change her own opinions about things, and she WILL try to "straighten you out."

[Anonymous No.3284071]

>>3284054

>Trust me

Okay, buddy.

[Anonymous No.3284077]

>>3284071
>Taking a humorous "pick two" scenario seriously to begin with
>Implying that everything said in reference to it is 100% serious

Okay, buddy.

[Anonymous No.3284085]

>>3284027
Actually, I don't post/read 4chan usually. And believe me, I wish that the problem wasn't real.

[Anonymous No.3284090]

>>3284077

I'm not that guy you were talking to originally.

the 'gf is a marxist' line was my first in this conversation.

I'm about as communistic as she is, in any case. I'm more of a feminist than her.

[Anonymous No.3284093]

>>3284085

>the problem

Which? The fact that you've only met vapid girls, or the fact that you've assumed your experience as a universal qualifier?

[Anonymous No.3284094]

>>3284090
Err... Great. You two have fun... somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.3284100]

>>3284093
He just as to assume that an overwhelmingly vast majority of females are vapid to justify not even looking.

It might not be worth his time, in his opinion.

[Anonymous No.3284105]

>>3282872
You didn't sage anything, idiot, but I like your comment anyway.

[Anonymous No.3284107]

>>3284094

>pretending your aversion isn't jealousy

[Anonymous No.3284110]

i don't "believe in love", so i have no desire for a girlfriend except for regular sex, but i have to prove myself to my peers by getting a girlfriend deemed "very desirable" b/c this will raise my social status as a dominant male
i have yet to meet a girl deemed "very desirable" that i haven't already dated or been friendzoned by years ago

maybe soon

[Anonymous No.3284113]

>>3282899
Shit.

[Anonymous No.3284115]

>>3284107
>Jealousy over Marxist girlfriend
LEL

[Anonymous No.3284120]

>>3284093
I wasn't talking with an universal qualifer. There are girls who worth it? Yes, of course. Meet I anyone? No, absoluta y rotundamente no -more dramatic using my language-.

[Anonymous No.3284124]

>>3284115

You know you'd hit that callypgian means of production

[Anonymous No.3284127]

>>3284120

As long as we're agreeing most men are equally as vapid

[Anonymous No.3284129]

>>3282812
obviously trolling

[Nichard Rixon !LkcbqVw.4M No.3284134]

I do. I am moving in with her soon.

[Anonymous No.3284142]

>>3284134
oh hell
sorry to hear that man

[Anonymous No.3284157]

>>3284009

Relevant story:

> be in bed w/ qt3.14 gf
> foreplay engaged
> gf: "anon... what comes first?"
> me: "what?"
> gf: "in your life, apart from your family, what's the most important thing to you?"
> be dumbass, don't see blatant snare
> me: (without hesitation) "my writing. reading and writing, both, i guess."
> gf recoils
> foreplay eds
> hour-long pouting begins
> welp, no sex tonight

[Anonymous No.3284177]

>>3284127
Yes, I'm the first that say that. But there's a difference: among men exist a kind of feeling, a spontaneus friendship that don't need necessarily share the same taste, or interest, you know? My best friend is pretty different to me and we have a great relationship. But with girls (girlfriends) I need other kind of connection.

[Anonymous No.3284179]

>>3284157

>not understanding or embracing the selfish selflessness of love

[Anonymous No.3284182]

>>3284157
i remember when i was like your gf
it's no fun at all tell her to stop it

[Anonymous No.3284186]

>>3284177

Those are some broad generalizations.

I'm a male and don't often get along with men as well as with women.

[Anonymous No.3284196]

>>3284186
did you grow up with a single mom?

[Anonymous No.3284266]

>>3284186
I'm not:
>>3284196

Just aclare this. End of conversation. Good night.

[Anonymous No.3284277]

>>3284196

Nope, I still live with my mom and dad.

It might have something to do with having three older sisters, though.

In either case, homeboy's assumption was incorrect.

[Anonymous No.3284281]

If I were smart, I wouldn't have one.

[Anonymous No.3284467]

Why does /lit/ have these threads get to 220 serious replies?

[Anonymous No.3284475]

>>3284467

We take advantage of trolls by using them to talk about - well, anything. Most posts are taken at face value by at least half of the posting population, for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.3284477]

>>3284100
>>3284093
>>3284085
the vast majority of all people are vapid, not just women

[Anonymous No.3284481]

>>3284467

bc no gf

[Anonymous No.3284482]

>>3284477

We covered that. Settle down.

[Anonymous No.3284484]

>>3284467
It's hilarious when somebody tries to provoke and people just give earnest responses, /lit/'s a little too classy to get upset~

[Anonymous No.3284487]

>>3284110
that's confusing, because the reason to have social status / be a dominant male is to get sex with women, but you seem to have the cause and effect reversed

[Anonymous No.3284502]

>>3284484
Or too autistic to realize what's going on?

Or a high quality enough of a community to defuse it.

[Anonymous No.3284630]

>>3284124
Yes, with a bat.
See >>3284115

[Anonymous No.3284648]

>>3284630

>reiterating a useless reply to a joke two hours late

typical capitalist

[Anonymous No.3284655]

>>3284502
Case in point, amigo.

[Anonymous No.3284686]

Because I don't at the moment, and I have no real desire to get one currently.

I am happy languishing in the feeling of being love, and making the most of that.

It is agony incarnate.

[Anonymous No.3284757]

>>3284686
>I am happy languishing in the feeling of being love

Explain?

[Anonymous No.3284764]

>>3284686
learn how to use words

[Anonymous No.3285392]

Damn your cynicism, /lit/.

Not sure if women really are inferior, or if we're judging them with malecentric values.

[Anonymous No.3285408]

>>3285392
well, I for one am not inferior. there. I win the discussion via last word.

[Anonymous No.3285440]

>>3285392

Accepting that you have a disease is the first step toward recovery

[Anonymous No.3285504]

>>3285392
>malecentric values

in other words, values.

[Anonymous No.3286009]

Because, after seven years of living together and working together and experiencing happiness, she is dead.

[Anonymous No.3286019]

>>3285504
i choked on my spaghetti

good one bro

[Anonymous No.3286060]

my last girlfriend & i broke up a while ago, we're still pretty much best friends though which is great and i love it
i want a new girlfriend because i think it'd be fun and i know i could get one right now but none of the girls i know are good enough except for one, who isn't interested in me
so i'm single, and that's fine
i value friendship over relationships anyway

[Anonymous No.3286072]

>>3286060
>i know i could get one right now but none of the girls i know are good enough except for one,
You dick.

[Anonymous No.3286124]

>>3286072
why's that dickish

[Anonymous No.3286186]

>>3282812
>how come you don't have a gf?

Because I'm long since happily married?

Reported for underage. (Also, go die in a fire, faggot.)

[Anonymous No.3286212]

>>3286124
>none of the girls I know are good enough
Maybe you just can't see them very well from that high horse you're on.

[Anonymous No.3286233]

>>3286212
>you can't have standards
lmao

[Anonymous No.3286247]

>>3286233
You can choose not to date people without saying they aren't good enough. Maybe they aren't the right person for you, or you aren't particularly attracted to them physically/mentally/emotionally, but that doesn't make them less of a human being.

[Anonymous No.3286252]

>>3286247
thank you for teaching us politeness, grand master, of words. but there is no politeness of hearts to pair with those polite words.

[Anonymous No.3286269]

>>3286252
Don't talk in epigrams. It's fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.3286270]

>>3286252
That's why we don't think with our hearts, but with our brains.

[Anonymous No.3286435]

>>3282812

Because we accept the love we think we deserve.