Ask someone who got (and read) a promotional copy of TAIPEI anything

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DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 09:42:22 2013 No.3527026 [DELETED]

Ask someone who got (and read) a promotional copy of TAIPEI anything

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 09:43:22 2013 No.3527031 how

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 09:43:22 2013 No.3527032 >>3527026 Were there any boner moments?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 09:44:22 2013 No.3527037 he mentions /lit/, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 09:46:22 2013 No.3527040 Does he mention /lit/? Is it as good as the early reviews say? Is it vastly different from Richard Yates? Is it closer to Richard Yates, or to Shoplifting from American Apparel?

DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 09:47:22 2013 No.3527047

>>3527031
Literally found it in a thrift shop.
How it got there I have absolutely no idea.
>>3527032
Not any more than his other books.
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The prose is unlike any of his other work, but still unlike anything else I've read. Here's a spoiler-free excerpt:
"On their way back inside Paul and Laura passed the shadowy area, from where an unseen Amy said something implying Laura had stolen her cigarettes, using the word 'cute' antagonistically. Paul had an urge to accelerate, but Laura, ahead of him, continued at her leisurely pace, maneuvering carefully through the window, into the kitchen."
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>>3527040
-He may or may not have directly or indirectly referenced /lit/ ;)
-In my opinion, yes, I think it's an amazing book, and definitely as good as the reviewers say; it's not all hype, it really is "good" writing.
-In terms of style, tone, prose, maturity, etc., yes, very different from Richard Yates, but it still deals, of course, with similar themes, just on a more mature level.
-It's closer to Richard Yates by a mile.

>>	sage sage Mon Mar 4 09:49:22 2013 No.3527050 Fuck off Tao

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 09:57:23 2013 No.3527071 >>3527047 >unlike anything else I've read Usually publishers try to avoid publishing something if it's poorly written.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 09:59:22 2013 No.3527081 >>3527071 Haha, yeah, sure they do, lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:00:22 2013 No.3527085 >>3527047 Is it more like some of his short stories than his other novels?

>>	DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 10:02:22 2013 No.3527091 >>3527085 His short story "Relationship Story" on Vice is the first scene of the book, just slightly edited, so if you read that you get sort of an idea of what the style of the novel is.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:03:22 2013 No.3527094

>>3527047
>"On their way back inside Paul and Laura passed the shadowy area, from where an unseen Amy said something implying Laura had stolen her cigarettes, using the word 'cute' antagonistically. Paul had an urge to accelerate, but Laura, ahead of him, continued at her leisurely pace, maneuvering carefully through the window, into the kitchen."
Delicious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:05:22 2013 No.3527103 >>3527047 The excerpt looks decidedly more flowy than Richard Yates and Shoplifting. Does it return a bit more to the poetic surrealisms of Eeeee and Bed or is it just a more fluxy realism thing somehwere in the middle ground or beyond both?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:10:22 2013 No.3527122 >>3527091 >“Jesus,” said Michelle. Yes.

DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 10:16:22 2013 No.3527142

>>3527103
Yes, it's definitely more flowy and a huge step away from his concrete/literal style.

There isn't really any poetic surrealism either, and it's far from Eeee Eee Eeeee/Bed; it's beyond both of the styles, as if he combined both of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:16:22 2013 No.3527145 >>3527091 >Relationship Story That's his best work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:16:23 2013 No.3527141 >>3527091 Oh man, oh hell yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:23:22 2013 No.3527158 I don't get it. Does /lit/ hate of love Tao Lin?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:23:22 2013 No.3527162 >>3527158 or*

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:24:22 2013 No.3527163 >>3527158 The more pertinent question is do you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:24:22 2013 No.3527165 >>3527158 We love to hate him and hate loving him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:26:22 2013 No.3527171 >>3527158 Hate. Anyone who purports to like him is either Tao Lin or a troll.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:27:22 2013 No.3527173

>>3527158
/lit/ is tsundere as fuck. I'm glad for the Tao spamming that has happened though, it made me actually read him and now I've read Bed, Eeeee Eee Eeee, Shoplifting and Richard Yates and enjoyed them all tremendously.

>>3527142
Sounds delicious. Will buy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:30:34 2013 No.3527178 File: 23 KB, 1000x578, dao ling.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3527171 Stay delusional.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:30:34 2013 No.3527179 Just scan it already you greedy cunt

>>	DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 10:31:34 2013 No.3527182 >>3527179 It's a thick book; I don't have the time to scan it in right now, I'm sorry. If someone has a What.cd and puts a huge bounty on it I'll consider.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:40:23 2013 No.3527196 ITT: Tao Lin samefagging it up

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:43:22 2013 No.3527204
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>>3527182
Man, I'm going to tell Tao you stole his unpublished work and he's going to come around to your place and kick the shit out of you and steal your medication and booze then scratch all your foreign DVD's with some plastic pieces of discarded IKEA furniture you were saving

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:46:22 2013 No.3527208 File: 206 KB, 284x409, vegansalad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3527196

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:48:23 2013 No.3527211 File: 207 KB, 544x756, da.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3527208 Beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:50:23 2013 No.3527213 Promotional advertising isn't allowed on 4chan, Tao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:55:23 2013 No.3527223 Reported for spam/advertising.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 10:59:23 2013 No.3527226 I don't get it. Why are you even bothering to do this? At the most you may get two sales. Anyone on /lit/ who will stoop low enough to read your crap will pirate it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:01:23 2013 No.3527227
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https://twitter.com/BretEastonEllis/status/308502148226883584
>ohboiherewego

Oh and to people saging and stuff, just ignore the thread if you don't want to talk about the new Tao Lin book.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:05:22 2013 No.3527236

>>3527227
>interesting prose stylist
>"On their way back inside Paul and Laura passed the shadowy area, from where an unseen Amy said something implying Laura had stolen her cigarettes, using the word 'cute' antagonistically. Paul had an urge to accelerate, but Laura, ahead of him, continued at her leisurely pace, maneuvering carefully through the window, into the kitchen."

Can someone tell me how that's interesting, unless it isn't actually emblematic of the novel as a whole? It's completely average.

>>	DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 11:05:22 2013 No.3527237 >>3527227 Look, I think it'd be pretty easy to distinguish if I was Tao Lin or not; I'm just an incoming college freshman living in Boston, and I'm a fan of his. Look- I'll even sage this thread myself. I'm just looking for a discussion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:08:23 2013 No.3527239 File: 13 KB, 361x52, adv.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3527227

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:09:23 2013 No.3527243 How did you get it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:11:23 2013 No.3527246 >>3527243 He wrote it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:13:22 2013 No.3527248 >>3527237 Just ignore them pal. This is a perfectly legitimate thread subject. OP can you give a little more about what's in the book?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:14:22 2013 No.3527249 sage for viral tripsamefagging

DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 11:15:22 2013 No.3527250

>>3527248
Still follows the common thread of loneliness and distance between oneself and everyone else one meets, but introduces new themes of family via Paul's visiting Taiwan numerous times. I think it dives a lot deeper than his previous work.

>>3527243
I found it in a thrift shop. Just laying there. I have no idea how it got there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:21:25 2013 No.3527263 >Toweling being a tripfag Can't believe it didn't happen sooner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:24:22 2013 No.3527270 Is it even shorter than his other novels like he said it would be?

DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 11:26:22 2013 No.3527278

>>3527270
No, it's MUCH longer than any of his previous work. It's 258 pages, and the dimensions are like your classic Vintage paperback, like Easton Ellis' books, or pretty much any other rectangular paperback. It's also a lot denser; you can no longer read through it like you can with the concrete/literal stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:44:22 2013 No.3527313 Would you say that it's his first "serious" work and that he's finally come into his own as a writer and that it's the first work of his he'll really be remembered for (if he's remembered at all...?)?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:49:22 2013 No.3527321 >return to /lit/ after a year >tao lin still posting and replying to threads about himself to promote his writing >stay classy /tao lin/

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:49:22 2013 No.3527323 >>3527278 i'll post a 2gb bounty on bibliotik

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 11:58:23 2013 No.3527334 >>3527237 >I'm just an incoming college freshman living in Boston, and I'm a fan of his >fan of his Go to bed,Tao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 12:08:23 2013 No.3527353 This is hilarious. It's so blatantly obvious that it's Tao posting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 12:11:22 2013 No.3527359 >>3527353 it obviously isn't. Tao usually posts in the style he also uses on his blog and his facebook page.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 12:11:22 2013 No.3527360

>>3527047
>"On their way back inside Paul and Laura passed the shadowy area, from where an unseen Amy said something implying Laura had stolen her cigarettes, using the word 'cute' antagonistically. Paul had an urge to accelerate, but Laura, ahead of him, continued at her leisurely pace, maneuvering carefully through the window, into the kitchen."

That actually sounds a bit like Wallace.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 12:30:10 2013 No.3527419 >>3527360 That's actually DeLillo's style bleeding into both of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 12:32:10 2013 No.3527424 >>3527360 I think Tao Lin uses commas where DFW probably wouldn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 12:38:22 2013 No.3527440 File: 243 KB, 1280x720, picture004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've got a couple drafts and shit from your book, mr Lin

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 12:43:22 2013 No.3527445

>>3527360
I disagree. Wallace was able to handle his sentences better than that. Those sentences are in serious need of editing - it seems like Lin's fumbling with the commas and having some problems with flow (or even with making his sentences sound good). "... ,using the word 'cute' antagonistically." in particular has no flow at at all.

It reads like someone used to writing in a minimalist style trying to write more flowery prose, which I suppose it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 12:48:25 2013 No.3527462 >>3527445 Isn't that the point of his prose? For it to fumble and seem like the narrator is having trouble? Doesn't that key into his ideas of alienation and loneliness? Dammit not every prose stylist has to be like Nabokov

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 12:51:22 2013 No.3527467 >Tao Lit

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 13:42:22 2013 No.3527558

>>3527462
It's not that it's not "like Nabokov", you twat, it's that it reads like shit. Hemingway doesn't "read like Nabokov", either, but his minimalism works, and flows, and sounds good. This doesn't; the word choice is bad, the order they're in is bad, the sentence structure is awful and the commas are all over the place.

That said, your argument is an infallible shield against any criticism of Lin's writing. It's shit because it's "supposed to be". 10/10 book tao :DDDDD

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:20:22 2013 No.3527639 >>3527445 lel, wallace is a choppy faggot. tao lin is a perpetual heraclitan orgasm in his new style.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:22:23 2013 No.3527642 >>3527558 Tao's work isn't supposed to flow, it's supposed to be annoying to read in a way Yeah I can't decide if that really is a good thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:32:22 2013 No.3527656 Do we have to become alt-lit to make it guys? I'm scared

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:34:57 2013 No.3527663 >using the word 'cute' antagonistically >Paul had an urge to accelerate What the hell is this rubbish?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:42:22 2013 No.3527687 >>3527663 tao lin welcome to the mind of an autist

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:44:22 2013 No.3527690 >>3527663 What's wrong with having urges to accelerate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:45:18 2013 No.3527692 >>3527663 What's wrong with "Paul had an urge to accelerate"? It's an amusing description imo.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:49:22 2013 No.3527701

>>3527663
It's funny how art, through postpostpostmodernism or whatever we're at now, embraces the "bad art" simply because it doesn't confirm to "good art" standards.

Talent doesn't really matter. As long as a writer is confident in their work, they'll be successful.

Thus, nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:51:23 2013 No.3527704 >>3527692 Why? How is that amusing? How is it not just bad writing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:52:23 2013 No.3527707 >Promo copy >Pretending you're not Tao Lin Go to bed Tao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:55:22 2013 No.3527719 Why does anyone give a fuck about this fucking hack? He's an absolutely awful writer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:56:22 2013 No.3527721 >>3527445 that doesn't seem flowery at all, it's pretty spare if anything, it's just long.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 14:57:22 2013 No.3527723 >>3527704 How is it bad, faggot? Back up your arbitrary aesthetics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 15:00:22 2013 No.3527733 HIDE TAO LIN THREADS IGNORE TAO LIN POSTS DO NOT REPLY TO TAO LIN POSTERS

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 15:02:22 2013 No.3527739 >>3527733 >DO NOT REPLY TO TAO LIN FTFY Fuck off Tao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 15:07:22 2013 No.3527755 File: 85 KB, 434x662, legendofthe10elementalmasters.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tao Lin is pretty good, but I dont' think he quite compares to Nick Smith, AKA Ulillillia, in his powers of description.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 15:09:22 2013 No.3527760

>>3527445

i agree completely. tao lin was picked up by a larger, more established publishing house. he was pressured to "develop" his style. the excerpt reads like an MFAer's clumsy imitation of "vintage tao lin" after reading 300 pages of Infinite Jest.

It's not "delicious." It's not good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 15:27:22 2013 No.3527822 >>3527656 Same bro. I'd consider myself a modernus but this I cannot abide by.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 16:49:23 2013 No.3528028 Tao is pretty fun if you approach him with the sort of crackpot fascination people have like... Internet autist blogs etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 17:07:22 2013 No.3528087 >>3527721 I said "more" flowery - on the relative scale of floweriness it does not rank very high, but when taken with his previous stylings as a point of reference it is definitively more so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:28:23 2013 No.3528442 Reported. No advertising on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:31:22 2013 No.3528457 HE POSTED THIS THREAD ON HIS FACEBOOK. HE IS ON TO US.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:33:22 2013 No.3528465 >>3528028 I don't think anybody has the kind of time to waste with that kind of dumb curiosity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:34:22 2013 No.3528469 >>3528465 >time to waste >on 4chan Don't kid yourself. son.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:34:22 2013 No.3528470 I hope everyone who reported this thread gets banned.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:35:22 2013 No.3528479 >>3528457 >mfw it's true Fucking kill this thread for advertising, you fuckheads. Don't give that autistic hack any publicity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:40:22 2013 No.3528503 >>3528457 Whatever you think of Tao's writing, you have to love a guy like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:41:22 2013 No.3528508 >>3528503 No, we don't. We can despite him for being a worthless, talentless, histrionic fuckwit who writes like an autist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:45:22 2013 No.3528520 who's the loser that samefags/spams every single tao lin thread INSISTING that tao is the op i want to meet him

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:52:23 2013 No.3528538 File: 30 KB, 447x327, Tao Lin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Quickly: name every single contemporary author whose up and coming work gets hyped on /lit/! Just Tao Lin. Yeah, nothing suspicious here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:58:23 2013 No.3528569 >>3528538 lotsa pynchon threads showed up when The Bleeding Edge was announced

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 18:59:23 2013 No.3528576 I like the guy, but hate his fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:01:22 2013 No.3528582 I saw an interview of the guy and he seemed socially retarded. I dunno if that was his schtick or whatever, but put me off from reading his stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:01:22 2013 No.3528583 >>3528569 >pynchon >probably the best living American writer >decades of proven talent, spanning back to the 70's. Yeah, it's exactly the same thing. Good eye, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:03:23 2013 No.3528591 >>3528583 tao lin has a considerable internet presence. no surprise that people would talk about him here

DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 19:08:22 2013 No.3528613

>>3527323
>bibliotik
Don't have an acc. there.

>>3528479
I'm really not Tao Lin. This is the first time I've ever posted on /lit/; I'm extremely active over on /mu/, and I started posting there for years now. Go search up some Chan archives if you doubt me.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:08:22 2013 No.3528614

>>3528591
>tao lin has a considerable internet presence.

because he self promotes himself, dipshit.

>>3528569
So Pynchon and Lin are the only two contemporary authors that /lit/ gets excited about the release of their new work. Pynchon... and Lin. Let that sink in. Pynchon and Lin.

Pynchon and Lin.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:11:22 2013 No.3528628

If Tao Lin's so well-known on the internet, why do all of his books have like 3 reviews each on Amazon. Furthermore, why are half these reviews only 1 star?

Also, what the fuck is this?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Richard-Yates-Tao-Lin/product-reviews/1935554158/ref=sr_1_3_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:19:22 2013 No.3528670 this is now a noah cicero 2013 thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:26:22 2013 No.3528695 >>3528457 >implying you don't secretly like that he did Tao is like the retard mascot you cunts can't live without. Face facts he's /lit/'s sperg king.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:27:22 2013 No.3528696 >>3527656 In my opinion, all the alt-lit writers are 12 year olds and Tao-Lin wannabees. Maybe Tao is ok, but the others aren't worth it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:31:22 2013 No.3528714 >>3528613 >I'm extremely active over on /mu/, and I started posting there for years now. >/mu/ With all due respect, your a gigantic faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:32:22 2013 No.3528716 File: 308 KB, 512x512, 1334268831809.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3528628 Bro, what if all those poor reviews are by Tao Lin himself?

>>	DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 19:32:22 2013 No.3528718 >>3528714 I realize that; I'm just trying to declare that I'm not Tao Lin, and that the discussion should move on from that inane argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:34:22 2013 No.3528723 >>3528508 But shamelessness has a charm all its own.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:37:22 2013 No.3528727

>>3528613
>I'm extremely active over on /mu/
But Tao Lin would be a /mu/lberry. He has a not-entirely interesting taste in music, but I like it well enough to enjoy the shoutouts he gives it in his novels, stories, and social media. Whatever the case may be, he seems to actually be interested enough in it that I wouldn't be surprised if he posted on /mu/. Of course, the music he likes is generally dancing around the edges of hatepunk, crustpunk, and ever-popular Fat Wreck tsunderism, which isn't exactly /mu/core. A quick search, like you say, could probably rule you out as Tao simply by virtue of you listening to the wrong music. Except, I don't think that will be necessary because...

>I started posting there for years now
...you can't be Tao if you're also European (or Brazilian or something, I don't fucking know what you are, but that isn't now native speakers speak English).

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:40:22 2013 No.3528734 >>3528614 Who cares m8.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:42:23 2013 No.3528739 >>3527445 >Wallace >Handling anything well You realize that the whole DFW IS GOD thing is just a giant inside joke?

>>	Kekkafuza !/Swamig5Ow Mon Mar 4 19:43:23 2013 No.3528742 File: 13 KB, 300x300, 1311523823915.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3528628 dat review

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:45:23 2013 No.3528748 File: 148 KB, 100x100, 1221955326361.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Let's talk about Sam Lipsyte instead. >http://www.vulture.com/2013/03/sam-lipsyte-fun-parts.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:47:22 2013 No.3528753 Does anyone have an ebook of Shoplifting from American Apparel? I've dug through #bookz, torrents, and direct download sites and only turned up a fake pdf.

>>	DEATH !GRIPSzvGo2 Mon Mar 4 19:52:22 2013 No.3528769 >>3528753 What.cd has one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:53:22 2013 No.3528775 >>3528769 Wait, why would they have one? I thought they did music. Well, I don't have an account, would you mind putting it on MEGA for me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 19:54:22 2013 No.3528777 Ask someone who purchased and read a physical copy of Shoplifting from American Apparel anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:02:22 2013 No.3528801 >>3528753 Here's a .mobi and an .epub. https://mega.co.nz/#!p5AWgJSR!c4nUUjVNi7cPdKl9Zkeu3Sd3CN545uNVA396NUzBZjA

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:06:22 2013 No.3528815 >>3528801 >https://mega.co.nz/#!p5AWgJSR!c4nUUjVNi7cPdKl9Zkeu3Sd3CN545uNVA396NUzBZjA Augh it's telling me chrome is out of date ;~; which it is. I'll get a friend to dl it for me, then. thanks!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:09:22 2013 No.3528820 >>3528815 Sure thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:15:22 2013 No.3528837 >>3528479 >Google alerts don't exist!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:25:22 2013 No.3528865 >>3528614 McCarthy will cause excitement when he has a new book.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:35:22 2013 No.3528890

I want a serious opinion. Tao Lin has been a meme on this board for ages now.
I am German and apart from what was posted here I have no idea who the guy is and if he is important in any way.

What I noticed is that the opinions about him seemed to have shifted a little from hatefull to somewhat positive. So I am wondering, is his stuff really any good? Or is it shit and people talk good about him to troll others?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:37:23 2013 No.3528893 >>3528890 Why not read his stuff and see for yourself? Personally, I was not impressed by what I read

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:48:22 2013 No.3528918 >>3528890 Read it and find out Having read Lin before frequenting /lit/, I like him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:50:23 2013 No.3528922 >>3528890 I would recommend starting with his short story collection "Bed", he's at his most accessible there (and I would argue his best). Keep in mind he is more of a human multimedia performance than an author.

Anonymous Mon Mar 4 20:54:22 2013 No.3528937

>>3528890
>important in any way
Almost his entire body of work has been passed around here. Download one of the files and read a few pages.

I'm one of the rare Tao Lin fans in that I don't like his writing because I think it's great or even good; I readily read Tao Lin's stuff because I think it is accidentally hilarious. I've honestly never laughed so hard and so often at a single writer's prose.

I'd recommend him if you don't take it seriously at all. If you do, you'll probably end up with an aneurysm, like most of his detractors here soon will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 21:17:22 2013 No.3529007 >>3528748 nice try, sam.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 4 21:25:22 2013 No.3529025 Is Tao Lin the embodied philosopher of Generation X?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 07:59:23 2013 No.3530135 >>3528937 Actually it's intentionally hilarious and Tao Lin is a really funny guy

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 09:04:22 2013 No.3530281 >>3530135 >poor writing is just a stylistic nuance! That's exactly what the DFW fags say.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 09:14:22 2013 No.3530296 If you realize what makes it so funny, you will understand that the humor is deliberate

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 09:23:22 2013 No.3530313 >>3530296 And what makes it so funny? It isn't, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 09:36:23 2013 No.3530339 File: 72 KB, 960x717, 487555_285880934849933_314034274_n[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you will never get to hang out with kitty pryde ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 09:40:22 2013 No.3530349 >>3530339 you mean the x-man girl that can go through things?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 09:45:22 2013 No.3530366 >>3530349 She's a semi-meme on /mu/, who posts on the board. Makes you wonder what kind of connections 4chan "celebrities" have with each another.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 09:52:22 2013 No.3530391 >>3530349 the garish kitsch comedy rapper that uses 4chan/tumblr humor to appear marketable

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 09:52:22 2013 No.3530397 >>3530366 >>3530391 ummm whoever that is doesn't post here so who cares

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 09:55:22 2013 No.3530412 >>3530339 That girl looks like the star of a gangbang-bukkake, any town, USA.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:02:22 2013 No.3530446 >>3530339 someone add a brazzers logo to the bottom right corner. i would but i'm on my phone

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:09:22 2013 No.3530470 File: 146 KB, 960x717, I love you Jesus Lin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3530446

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:13:22 2013 No.3530481 what brazzers

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:13:22 2013 No.3530482 whats********** brazzers

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:16:23 2013 No.3530485 what is brazzers

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:17:23 2013 No.3530487 whats brazzers

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:33:22 2013 No.3530525 Explain to me who the fuck this chink is? I only ever read like 2 paragraphs of the cunt and it read like utter, unimpressive shit any teenager can write. So what's up with this dude?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:44:22 2013 No.3530548 >>3530525 just look at his interviews and you know what's up only reason he's famous cause he has a catchy name, same goes for kafka and all the other faggots like DFW

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:46:23 2013 No.3530554 >>3530548 Not sure if serious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:47:22 2013 No.3530555 >>3530548 You might be on to something here. I'm trying to think of an author popular in the western world with a difficult or awkward name. I can't, really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 10:54:23 2013 No.3530570 >>3530555 That's because pen-names exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:13:22 2013 No.3530616 >>3530555 How many awkward and difficult names are there in the western world at all?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:16:22 2013 No.3530623 >>3530555 David Foster Wallace is a difficult and awkward name?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:17:22 2013 No.3530624 >>3530555 There is some theory behind names, syllables, and success. I remember reading something about it in relation to Aleistor Crowley I believe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:20:22 2013 No.3530629 > posting in a Br0 thread > posting in a genuine Tao Lin thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:23:23 2013 No.3530638 >>3530623 Who said that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:26:22 2013 No.3530648 >>3530623 It's got a ring to it. Would be awkward/forgettable if it was only David Wallace.

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:26:22 2013 No.3530651

>>3530624
"For many years I had loathed being called Alick, partly because of the unpleasant sound and sight of the word, partly because it was the name by which my mother called me. Edward did not seem to suit me and the diminutives Ted or Ned were even less appropriate. Alexander was too long and Sandy suggested tow hair and freckles. I had read in some book or other that the most favourable name for becoming famous was one consisting of a dactyl followed by a spondee, as at the end of a hexameter: like Jeremy Taylor. Aleister Crowley fulfilled these conditions and Aleister is the Gaelic form of Alexander. To adopt it would satisfy my romantic ideals."

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:27:22 2013 No.3530658 Tao Lin offered me to join BRIGADE, I don't even know what that is :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:30:22 2013 No.3530662 >>3528922 >most accessible >implying Tao Lin can be inaccessible

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 11:32:22 2013 No.3530666 >>3530651 There it is

>>	satan !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 Tue Mar 5 11:39:22 2013 No.3530680 >death grips >tao lin thats like the doublelest of all whammys, kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:04:22 2013 No.3530743 File: 715 KB, 1280x720, 1362127866010.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3527173 >now I've read Bed, Eeeee Eee Eeee, Shoplifting and Richard Yates and enjoyed them all tremendously. WHAT

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:09:22 2013 No.3530752 why don't you people who hate tao lin just admit that you like a different type of lit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:12:22 2013 No.3530761 >>3530752 Why don't you stop wasting your time spamming on /lit/ you fucking chink

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:15:22 2013 No.3530770 what was your favorite scene in the book?

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:17:22 2013 No.3530777

>>3530651

>dactyl, spondee

Like William Shakespeare.

How about these names, though they may not adhere strictly to the pattern:

>Nicholas Spencer
>Zachary Webster
>Aleister Armstrong
>Dominic Marshall
>Johnathan Walker
>Christopher Clarke
>Zachary Mason
>William Rogers

it's hard to find true spondees

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:28:22 2013 No.3530799

I just read an excerpt online from Richard Yates and the prose mimics a child's prose.

>That night Haley Joel Osment was alone in the apartment talking to Julia on Gmail chat. Julia was 28 and married and lived in Georgia. She was friends with an editor of a magazine that had published Haley Joel Osment’s poetry. Haley Joel Osment’s cell phone vibrated. It was Dakota Fanning. Haley Joel Osment moved his cell phone to his ear. Dakota Fanning said her mother found out about him by reading a blog post’s comments section where he had said things about his first visit to New Jersey including when they screamed bad words across the Delaware River. “I think she knows you’ve stayed here overnight and that you’re 22,” said Dakota Fanning. “She already googled you a lot I think.”

It's choppy. There's only surface detail. There's no evidence of anything analytical, expository or didactic.

I can see the humour, it's like a child describing an adult's world from a detached, objective point of view because they haven't learned to care about the things adults care about yet. In that way it's funny because it's makes thing seem lighthearted that we take very seriously, and what's even more funny is that the things we take seriously really are or ought to be lighthearted. Furthermore, it's a refreshing break from ALL claims to purple/descriptive prose. My writing here seems academic & stilted compared to his.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:32:22 2013 No.3530807 >On their way back inside Paul and Laura passed Why does this bother me so much? Do I have the autism?

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:35:22 2013 No.3530811

>>3530799
cont.

Kierkegaard said something about decorum. He said that "decorum" was the proof of inwardness (his definition of this word is complicated and requires context to really understand). The gist of it is that the belief in aesthetics and high art in cultured France under King Louis XIV and the real passion for politics and power in Ancient Rome resulted in a decorum, a form of style and manners, in dress, oratory and writing. Like how for many years the English poets stuck to the decorum of Iambic Pentamater. Kierkegaard criticized our age for lacking inwardness, and in place of a decorum we get "rawness" instead (which is another complicated word).

How this relates to Tao Lin is that because our society lacks passion and belief/decision on what is right and wrong, what is good and bad, what is beautiful and ugly, we have no real decorum, hence the shitty verse we get nowadays. In Academia there still exists a decorum in writing, but it's a really empty, "formal", strict style that is dull and doesn't really signify anything.
Tao Lin's writing is true to this absence of decorum.

All of the things from Kierkegaard I just talked about are from his book, 'A Literary Review'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:37:22 2013 No.3530815 >>3530777 Define dactyl and spondee for everyone. >that feel when I started studying English poetry at uni and my language doesn't have any stress in polysyllabic words, so the very concept was unknown to me

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:40:22 2013 No.3530819 >>3530815 Dactyl: 3 syllables, stress on first - DA-da-da Spondee: 2 syllables, stress on both - DA-DA

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:41:22 2013 No.3530823

>>3530799
There's an inherent flaw with the way Tao presents the notion of infantile mimesis::that's not how children talk. You can't have have mimesis when you're imitating the subject incorrectly. That's why the gimmick of his prose doesn't work. You're just left with shit prose.

>>3530807
It's because he can't punctuate properly. You need a comma after sentence-initial adverbials. It should be

>On their way back inside, Paul and Laura passed

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:44:22 2013 No.3530826 >>3530819 Thanks. The iamb is the only one I remember by heart. Do spondees really exist? Can you stress two syllables really? Stressing usually means "more than the other", so...

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:44:22 2013 No.3530827 >>3530815 I think you're probably exaggerating. I HIGHLY doubt that your language has no internal prosody.

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:44:22 2013 No.3530832

>>3530811
and here's a quote from that Kierkegaard book I'd like to post:

>But anyone with a grasp of comedy readily sees that the comical isn’t at all to be found where the present age fancies it is, and that in our day satire, to be at all beneficial and not cause irreparable harm, must have as its surety a consistent and well grounded ethical life-view, a sacrificing disinterestedness, and a high-born nobility that renounces the moment. Otherwise, the medicine becomes incomparably and infinitely more dangerous than the sickness. What is comical is precisely that an age like this even aspires to be witty, and to go in for the comical in such a big way, for this is quite certainly the ultimate and most eye-deceiving evasion. As for the comical, what is there to defy anyway in an age so thoroughly reflected? Lacking passion, it has no emotional collateral in the erotic, no liquid assets of enthusiasm or inwardness in politics and religion, of domesticity, piety or appreciation in daily and social life.

>[...] so that it became a profitable trade to manufacture and prepare and remake and buy up old and new witticisms – what a dreadful epigram for the witty age!

And the end there he predicts the existence of comedians. He criticizes our use of humour (is this a prediction of the famous postmodern irony too?) as being unwarranted or out-of-place, or at the worst harmful, as humour is 'meant' to criticize the bad so as to raise up the good, but now it's just a commodity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:45:22 2013 No.3530833 >>3530777 I see what you mean. I scan those as trochees.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:46:23 2013 No.3530841 >>3530826 Yeah spondees do exist. I have a list of them - http://pastebin.com/aVApGs1i There are plenty of spondee names in that list: >Maxwell >Karpov >Belmont etc.

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:47:22 2013 No.3530844

>>3530823
>It's because he can't punctuate properly. You need a comma after sentence-initial adverbials. It should be

Yes and no. You can omit them if you have a short sentence. Many writers regularly omit that comma when it's a short sentence. True story.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:48:22 2013 No.3530846 >>3530844 I know but, in that example, you really need one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:48:22 2013 No.3530847 >>3530827 French doesn't have any stress pattern. It' unusual but it's true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:48:22 2013 No.3530849 >>3530823 >There's an inherent flaw with the way Tao presents the notion of infantile mimesis::that's not how children talk No, back that's how a child would WRITE.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:49:22 2013 No.3530851 >>3530841 MAXwell KARpov BELmont I'm not a native so I won't argue too much, but yeah, those don't sound like spondees to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:50:22 2013 No.3530854 >>3530847 >implying I speak French, too. I'm scanning lines in my head, and I can detect prosody quite easily. It may be more subtle than English, but it's DEFINITELY there. To take a famous lyric: >NON, je ne reGRETTe riEN

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:50:22 2013 No.3530855 >>3530846 I'll take your word for it. I'm for shitting on Taipei Lin because he's a faggot chink.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:51:22 2013 No.3530859 >>3530851 I agree. I think they're trochees. >>3530849 I don't think so. It's somewhat subjective, but I still disagree. >implying Tao actually bothered to look at anything written by a child in order to justify his sense of stylistic pastiche

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:53:23 2013 No.3530862

>>3530854

That's not a stress pattern. There's a difference between a stress pattern and what one would term "the music of a language".

"rien" is one syllable so it can't have any stress pattern by definition. Same with "non", it's one syllable.

As to "regrette", I can totally say:

"Je ne REGrette pas cette décision."

There's no problem with that, proving that there is no stress pattern in French. And this doesn't mean we don't accentuate parts and etc, it just means there's no stress pattern. You couldn't reverse them in English, it'd sound fucking weird and wrong.

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:54:22 2013 No.3530865

>>3530851
I think they're definitely spondees.
The stress is equal on both syllables in each case.
When a syllable is not stressed in English it tends to be slurred.

MAX-WELL
they have equal stress
if the second syllable wasn't stressed it would be pronounced something like
MAX-wul - the second syllable would be slurred so you'd hardly hear the vowel, almost like if it were 'wl' on it's own.

In those 3 names you use equal breath for each syllable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:55:22 2013 No.3530868 >>3530865 I see what you mean.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:55:22 2013 No.3530869 >>3530862 yeah, French doesn't have a stress pattern because the French can't be bothered to open their mouths wide enough to stress a syllable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:59:22 2013 No.3530874 >>3530869 French is a "tip of the lips" sort of language. It may have a connection to that.

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 12:59:22 2013 No.3530875

>>3530862
wat

Feet aren't confined to one word, you doofus. They can span over multiple words. Also, 'regrette' is in no way trochaic. You're flat-out scanning it wrong. There are other stresses in that line, as well.

'Rien' verges on the precipice between disyllabic and diphthongal. I think it's probably the latter, but it's definitely an arsis.

Anonymous Tue Mar 5 13:04:23 2013 No.3530889

>>3530875
>Feet aren't confined to one word, you doofus. They can span over multiple words.

I never mentioned feet. This isn't about poetry or anything- You're confusing feet with stress patterns.

Anyway, academics agree that French has no stress pattern, because it plain doesn't have any.

>confusing feet with stress patterns
>ad hominems

We're done. Ask any serious linguist, he'll tell you French isn't stressed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 13:06:23 2013 No.3530895 >>3530889 >This isn't about poetry >Je ne regrette rien >To take a famous lyric >famous lyric >lyric Apprendre à lire

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 13:11:22 2013 No.3530907 >>3530895 That's coincidental and because Piaf sings it that way. You can stress it any other way and it'll sound fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 5 13:23:23 2013 No.3530942 God, this isn't even literature.

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