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>The INTP endeavours to live alone –alone with his kin group, far away from neighbors. Even when he is at a summer resort, for instance, he keeps away from others as much as possible.

>For a time I lived in an old castle, on what for the time being is Italian territory, which now, like so many others, is operated as a resort hotel. In this old structure the rooms were widely spaced out and there were several small towers in the immediate vicinity. A new section had been added in which the rooms were close together. The towers and the rooms that were spaced out were occupied by INTJs and ENTJs, the new section by ESFPs.

>The INTP never feels comfortable in apartment houses where tenants live piled in layers upon one another and where the most intimate sounds penetrate everywhere. He is least comfortable in one of those large blocks of flats where sometimes ten people are crowded into one room. Under these circumstances, the INTPs are the first to languish, to die, first spiritually and then physically: they succumb because of the loss of physical distance and perish because of the lack of social distance. The INTP can no more live without external and internal distance than fish can live without water. INTPs cannot thrive between the stone walls of long lines of streets which deprive them of all distance –in other words, in the large city. If they cannot afford to take up residence beyond the city, then they succumb to emotional and psychological atrophy. Perhaps they unaware of it, but they are forced to overcome an unconscious opposition; nevertheless, the INTP is slowly stifled.

>> No.3564044

>>3564003
I have made the test several times in my life and always come up with the field marshal, ENTJ, and looking at my life it also seems true, if you would have a look at my career.

>> No.3565858

I am an INTJ because it gives me comfort to think that a test that is meant to be objective perceives me to be an intellectual

>> No.3565870
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3565870

>Not using the interpersonal grid.

>> No.3565873

Confession: I instantly think less of people who identify themselves based on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator.

It's astrology for people who think they are intelligent.

>> No.3565877

>>3564003
INTP new yorker here, those feels don;t bother me anymore.

>> No.3565881

>>3565873

Confession: I instantly think less of people who try to use edgy metaphors that actually don't make sense.

>> No.3565883

>>3565873
XKCD and MBTI go hand in hand.

>> No.3565885

>>3565881
Where was that edgy?

>> No.3565888

>>3565873
Agreed.

>> No.3565906

INFP every time.

>> No.3565939

>>3565873
MBTI is based on personality quizzes though, that's still a somewhat better indicator of a person's personality than the spacial position of stars when they were born is.

>> No.3565978

>>3565906
You and me both. I had to do that for school and got called out by my teacher, hard.
"See, some people are extroverted, and some are introverted. Anon is so introverted that physical interactions actually pain them, according to this chart!"

>> No.3565995

>>3565939
oh plz you don't know that. not trying to sound hella new age but we really have no way of knowing how that kind of shit really influences us. I just believe the way in the which the universe influences us is so complex that it would be nigh near impossible to quantify it.

>> No.3566047

INFJ

>> No.3566042

>>3565995

>i believe things are too complex so fuck trying understanding anything complex

>> No.3566041

>>3564003
City dwelling INTP reporting in.

>> No.3566048

I either get INFP or INTP every time I take this damn test, what that mean?

Close calls today

>Feeling (F) 52.94% | Thinking (T) 47.06%
>Perceiving (P) 51.43% | Judging (J) 48.57%

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3566067

>>3564003
INTP in paris checking in my privileges

>> No.3566077

INTJ

These tests are stupid.

>> No.3566349

INFP here. The personality type that gets excited about personality types.

>> No.3566366

>>3565873
I just see it as a way of summarizing and compartmentalizing different personalities.
Of course no one conforms 100% to any given one, and no one should use it as a guideline for life just because "it's what I am meant to be".

>> No.3566386

ENFP here . I know the MBTI isn't the best indicator,but reading about the ENFP archetype feels like I'm reading about myself.

>> No.3566536

>>3566047
Cheers.

>>3566048
Getting around 50 (at least if you take it on Human Metrics) is not at all a close call. It's only a close call if your between 1 and 20.

>> No.3566584

>>3565885
There was no edgy. It's just an adjective people use when they get assdamaged.

>> No.3566608

>>3564044
Try to "dominate" me, I dare you.

>> No.3566612

>Gemini are extremely independent. They will not be pinned down by anyone or any rules. They need to experience the world on their own. Change and freedom are extremely important to Gemini, they will never let anyone dictate them, they are extremely independent and freedom is essential to their mental well being.

>Gemini make very interesting and exciting friends. They like to leave their mark on everyone they meet. They are very flighty and will disappear for a long time as they meet new friends and explore new places. But when they come back, they will have new thoughts, opinions and interesting things to share and ideas to teach. Life is very interesting and fun with a Gemini friend. If you need any advice, Gemini is the one to ask. They are masters of communication and they can help you get what you need by helping you with persuasion and enthusiasm, and they give good advice too. Do not however, bog a Gemini down with all of your emotional problems, they are not want to deal with it because it depresses them and steps on their freedom if you need too much long term help, support and follow up. A Gemini friend can fill you in with the latest gossip and if you love conversation, the Gemini delivers! They are very generous with their friends, they will spend lots of time with you and share everything with you. Even though Gemini is a social butterfly, they always need time for themselves and that should be respected.

>> No.3566615

>>3566349

my ex was an INFP. heartless bitch + scatterbrain

>> No.3566624

I flip flop between INTP and ENTP, though I think Im just a shy ENTP.

>> No.3566640

>>3564003 >>3566612
I've always been INTP when I take the test. I'm also a Gemini.

A-am I master-race?

>> No.3566652

2 years ago I was ENTJ
Last year I was INTJ
now I'm INTP

These tests are incredibly stupid. (not to say I'm not changing as a person, just that the test is useless)

>> No.3566664

>>3564003

INFP/INTP hybrid reporting.
The first time I went through a MBTI test was somehow clarifying. I always saw myself as a pretty logic-ridden person, and when the test accused an actual preponderance of feeling versus thought, my mind was blown. So I started taking a look into my past, comparing the INFP archetype to myself. I'm pretty much a mexican soap-opera like drama hidden behind a veil of intellectualism.

>> No.3566927

pisces master race

>> No.3566940

>tfw ISTP

Pretty spot on in that general sense, wouldn't ever act like this stuff is written in stone though.

>> No.3566945

>>3566927
I see what you did there.

>> No.3566958

Enlightenment: the meyer briggs personality typology does not describe your personality. Only your personality type. It doesn't describe how you see the world(which is a big part of anyones personality), only how you interact with it.

The system is flawed, but still a pretty good way of categorizing and describing the slightly superficial parts of our personalities. Most people I see talking about this on 4chan are intensely ignorant of what the fuck this typology is all about. Many seem to think that just because they're a certain personality type they have superior intellect or something.

>> No.3566978

>>3564003
I had always gotten INTJ, but the last time I took the test I got ENFP. How accurate is this test?

>> No.3566998

>>3566978
Got INFP just now.

>> No.3567001

>>3565995
Please don't tell me you 'believe' in astrology.

Please /lit/, don't

>> No.3567018

>>3564003
>tfw she's an INTP so she seems perfect but wants to be alone

>> No.3567024

>>3567018

Who?

>> No.3567030

>>3567018
>this ginger I know

>> No.3567034

>>3567024
see
>>3567030
I really fucked up that comment

>> No.3567036

>>3565870
My nigga.

>> No.3567942

When I did this on /v/ I was only one of 3 INFPs in a thread of a few hundred. Here it seems INFP is relatively common. I wonder what the correlation is.

>> No.3567970

>>3567942
Books full of feels.

Orwell was apparently INFP, by the way.

>> No.3567978

i find these tests help people with low self esteem who just want to fit in or have some kind of fashionable label to call themselves. it's okay. you're all idiots. that's probably the most accurate label you're going to come by.

>> No.3567979

when i was in high school, this test consistently gave me INTP

took it again just now (in grad school), i get ESTJ

good thing im free to choose who i want to be and not be ruled by 4 letters

>> No.3567980

>>3564003

The hell is this shit? Some kind of new-age astrology?

>> No.3567984

>>3567980
naw. just old age faggotry.

>> No.3567989

>>3564003
>tfw ENFJ
I'm so alone...

>> No.3567986

INTJ master race

>> No.3568010

>>3567986
No, I am INTJ.

>> No.3568009
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3568009

I had to take the test in a college class and wound up with INTJ.

>> No.3568026

>>3565939
Moron, that's why it's ten thousand times more insidious.

It's like saying gauging your personality and psychology on the "intuitive readings" of "naturally empathic individuals" is more reliable than burning tortoise shells and counting the cracks. Yeah, okay, so? What, you want me to make decisions and govern my life based on what some random faggot says about me?

That Forer effect test, it's easy to discount because it's a one-off thing. Yeah yeah we're all susceptible to cognitive bias. But what if the person doing the fake "horoscope" actually took the time to read each person's answers, and give his best guess analysis of their personality? He'd probably come somewhere close to 99% "correct" as judged by the people taking the test. And it'd be just as scientifically baseless as oracle bones or astrology. The semblance of reliability and logicality is what makes it more threatening than simple quackery.

>> No.3568028

This shit isn't even good social science. Go away

>> No.3568029

>>3566640
no, you're not master race.

all the personality types and all the zodiac signs are flattering.

>> No.3568033

>>3568026
I think the problem is that you're under the impression people make serious decisions based on these things rather than finding them mildly entertaining.

>> No.3568041

>>3568033
lol if you think the vast vast majority of people who talk about these don't take them at least slightly seriously

>> No.3568046

>self fulfilling
>forer effect

The only reason to do this is to satisfy that adolescent impulse for defining oneself. Frankly, it's cliche as fuck and quite meaningless. It's worrying in regards to your development as I suspect a lot of you are well into your twenties. If you're still just 'finding your way', you'll probably be living hand to mouth for the rest of your life.

Kill yourself

>> No.3568065

>>3568041
In what way do you think people behave differently after having done one of these tests?

>> No.3569191

>>3567030
tell us more about her. i know, quite random but.. just that i know an INTP girl who's ginger.

aaand you have probably already left anyway, but yeah

>> No.3570298

: b u m p :

>> No.3570303

>>3566536
>It's only a close call if your between 1 and 20.
>1 and 20.
What?

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3570326

ISTJ here.
Get fucked, E-scum.

>> No.3570341

What's the chance that many people who take the test have totally different personality traits as to the results they receive? Will they eventually evolve or develop the traits by fooling themselves?

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3570366

>>3570341
Well?

>> No.3570379

INFP here, AMA.

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3570395

I'm part of the INTJ master race. Unfortunately so was Ayn Rand.

>> No.3570400

INTP/INFP reporting in

>> No.3570411

>>3570400
Ma' nigga.

>> No.3570488

>In 1991, the National Academy of Sciences committee reviewed data from MBTI research studies and concluded that only the I-E scale has high correlations with comparable scales of other instruments and low correlations with instruments designed to assess different concepts, showing strong validity. In contrast, the S-N and T-F scales show relatively weak validity. The 1991 review committee concluded at the time there was "not sufficient, well-designed research to justify the use of the MBTI in career counseling programs.

So it's mostly BS, there are better tests to measure introversion/extraversion and there are more empirically valid "personality trait" scales and tests out there. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_five_personality_traits

>> No.3570646

>tfw INTP

>> No.3570651

>>3564044
>usind non-descriptive Keirsey terms in place of Myers-Briggs

Keirsey is pleb-tier MBTI

>> No.3570656

>>3566958
Thank you. I've triedto explain this to so many people.

>> No.3570659

INTP NEET dying in these city walls!

>> No.3570687

>>3565978
I'm not pained by physical interaction but I have problems with self-esteem, and I feel like anybody who attempts to make physical contact with me is only doing so out of pity and secretly they're actually repulsed by me and I'm being a burden on them.

>> No.3570692

It's interesting that there are so many INFPs in here. Most of the time it seems like there's only a handful of INFPs in a thread with 100+ replies.

>> No.3570734

>>3570341
Welllllllllllllllllll??

>> No.3570783

wow, I used to be an INTP all my life but after going through the babbys usual existential crisis last year (ubermensch, stirner, buddhism, reborn christian yada yada) I actually find myself scoring ENFP

>> No.3570813

>>3570783
I am (almost) the complete opposite of you. After my crisis, I became a beta faggot.

>> No.3570847

>>3570734
What, do you expect there was a scientific study on that exact subject?

>> No.3570860

REI if you havent read any Bernhard, it should be your #1 priority

>> No.3570865

MBTI bygger på Jungs typlära från 1921 (Jung, 1950). Om denna ska jag fatta mig kort. Jungs system har utsatts för förödande kritisk analys, t ex av Noll (Noll, 1994). Det empiriska underlaget är torftigt och troligen delvis förfalskat, Jungs texter mångordiga och oklara. Det är länge sedan psykologins huvudfåra lämnade både Jung och typtänkandet bakom sig. Skälet är enkelt och övertygande. Människor fördelar sig inte i diskreta typer. Ingen har kunnat påvisa något sådant. Det är alltid en fråga om övergångar och ”blandtyper” är de i särklass vanligaste. Typtänkande är trots detta populärt bland dem som inte studerat psykologi. Det är ett säljbart begrepp, vilket MBTI: s framgång bevisar. Men att något är populärt och säljbart bevisar inte att det också är bra och vetenskapligt etablerat.
MBTI mäter 4 grunddimensioner som man sedan var och en indelar i två klasser. Det blir alltså 16 grundläggande typer av människor. Så enkelt om det bara vore så! Men inga data har kunnat verifiera de 16 typerna. Om detta råder inte minsta tvekan.

>> No.3570915

INTJ MUSTARD RACE

ALL BOW DOWN TO MY SUPERIOR INTELLECT

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3570957

INTP/INFP living in NYC

ugh

>> No.3570965

>>3564003
>tfw Hitler was right

>> No.3571016

>>3564003
I've taken 4 personality tests of this type.

I've gotten 4 different results.

Am I just inconsistent, or am I special, or am I an idiot who takes the tests wrong?

>> No.3571028

As far as I can tell, the only real problem with the test is that the results given are set on two ends of a scale, with no way to gauge how far one way or the other you are. The results should be represented in a spectrum from I to E, N to S, and so on. Am I correct on this, or am I completely off-base?

>> No.3571075

>>3571028

No. You're ignorant. The types are determined by the cognitive functions.

Learning the types is useless if you do not know the cognitive functions. That ignorance why most people think that it is an ambiguous system akin to Astrology; they're just ignorant.

>> No.3571081

>>3571075
So what does the system really say then? It seems like Astrology.

>> No.3571101

>>3571075
Er, what? All I was suggesting was that grouping people into set categories that don't allow for any room to differentiate people of the same "type" is a bad system. For example, everyone can be categorized as introverted or extroverted, but the I-E scale doesn't account for the different levels of introversion or extroversion, it instead puts everyone into one of the two set categories.

>> No.3571126

>>3571101
>levels of introversion or extroversion

>Implying that they have gradation

Introversion and Extroversion are different modes of interacting with world, not behaviours as you appear to believe. Shyness and introversion aren't synonymous, confidence and extroversion aren't synonymous.

Inform yourself/research the subject instead of posting ignorances please...

>grouping people into set categories that don't allow for any room to differentiate people of the same "type" is a bad system

That's idiots' fault not the system's fault

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3571131

>>3571126
>different modes of interacting with world, not behaviours
Hang on.

>> No.3571148 [DELETED] 

>>3571131
To add, reminds me of things like Blue Jam and similar. Jumping:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEacGiMO3K0
Forgetting numbers (even if corny):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk