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3597237 No.3597237 [Reply] [Original]

If you had to describe the phenomenon and use of green text to a scholar, how would you do it?

>> No.3597251

>be in cave
>see images on wall
>break free suddenly
>climb up the ladder
>go outside
>holy shit all this light
>look at all those nice forms
>go back
>hey guys i saw all those forms outside
>yea sure asshole fuck off
>tfw

>> No.3597261

>>3597251

What? No.. I'm serious

>> No.3597267

Sometimes you use it to ironically misquote someone. Basically an auto-strawman.

>> No.3597274

>>3597251
hahahaha 10/10

>> No.3597276

I'd simply tell them it's a series of abbreviated sentences prefixed with an angle bracket ('>').

>> No.3597304

>>3597267
>>3597251
both are correct answers

>> No.3597317

first-person present-tense narration with an absence of self-identifying pronouns? I dunno.

>> No.3597322
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3597322

>yfw the scholar looks at you and says...


>...
>...


>...

>tfw no gf

>> No.3597325

>>3597317
This.

Say condensed into bullet points too, and following a linear plot.

>> No.3597375

greentext is also used to point out implications in a contribution to a conversation

>> No.3597377

I wish someone would do an examination of 4chan as a case study in linguistics. I'm not sure how you'd define 4chan as a community, but it does a lot of neat things with language.

"-fags" has actually become a suffix that can be appended to pretty much anything to denote adherents/enthusiasts/members of something. Greentext has some functions that are easy enough to understand, like summarizing/prefacing the thing you're about to reply to, but the variety of forms it can use to do this is really neat, and they're all instantly recognizable. Even dubs is pretty interesting. It's a social phenomenon just as arbitrary as any real life one. It's practically a communal liturgy.

I am 100% serious about this and I feel kind of bad about it.

>> No.3597392

>>3597377

>somewhat isolated social groups evolve dialects and conventions

you don't say

>> No.3597394

>>3597377
This.

>> No.3597427

>>3597377
do it fagget

>> No.3597453

I look forward to the publication of the first anthology of 4chan texts.

"9001 greentext stories, by Anonymus" or some shit like that.

>> No.3597461

>>3597377
one day Moot will write a book about 4chan and everybody will piss their pants and scream like little girls, no matter what the hell he write in it. It will be a best seller

>> No.3597478

>>3597453
The thing is, it would be pretty good. I've seen some interesting stories/posts in my time

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3597501

>be a teenager
>get kicked out of school
>prance around new york city
>be sexually abused
>complain
>be sent to mental hospital in age seventeen
>tfw

>> No.3597504

It's "show; don't tell" in the extreme.

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>>3597453
>>3597478
Seconded, get off your arse and type up the greats
>pic related

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3597536

>mfw this thread

>> No.3597541

>>3597453
I actually started collecting them with the intention of doing that. But people on 4chan said it couldn't be done without the author's permission and how I would have to ask moot for the personal info of those people. I don't know if they were joking or not but after that I lost my motivation.

>> No.3597554

>>3597541
I'm calling BS, the moment something is published by "Anonymous" it should enter the public domain.

>> No.3597569

>>3597554
>All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.

Scroll lower

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3597572

Greentext it's like Finnegan's Wake for the millenium generation.

Not really, but that's how I would pitch it to the academic community.

>> No.3597573

>>3597541
If I find any of my autism stories included in an anthology I will send the publisher some very angry emails indeed.

>> No.3597579

>>3597573
>Muh copyrait
>2013

This is why we can't have nice things.

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3597583

>>3597572

>> No.3597590

>>3597579
No, I just don't want some cunt making money off something I wrote for a laugh and shared for free on 4chan.

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3597591

>>3597518

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3597595

>>3597590
If all the profits of the book went to Autism Speaks, would you be ok with it?

>> No.3597596

>>3597591
the names ruin it

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3597614

Bumpin

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3597633

>>3597614

>> No.3597648
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>> No.3597653
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>>3597251

10/10

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>> No.3597707

>>3597251
this is awesome. made me lol

>> No.3597727

>>3597251
100/10 on the tfw

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3597746

>>3597251
Screencapped for posterity

>> No.3597757

>>3597746
Now let's find a greentext thread on /b/ and confuse them

>> No.3597786

>>3597377
I never liked the whole "fags" suffix.
It just seems so /b/.

>> No.3597787

An orthographic method of textual expression which is used in direct quotations, to indicate sardonicism or irony, or as an abbreviated method of telling a story.

>> No.3597820
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3597820

>>3597377

Fuckin' sociolects, dude. Also the whole image+text thing.

>> No.3597858

>>3597572
oh my god. if anyone else saw that hodgepodge of words they'd look at me like im a psycho, but here that makes perfect sense. damn 4chan, you crazy

>> No.3597895
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3597895

Sometimes I write 'Who are you quoting' when people use greentext without somehow quoting someone or something, as a reference to the FAQ that says greentexting is for quoting (as > is meant for in other places on the web).

People usually ask me how new I am or something along those lines.

>> No.3597963

I love how you can watch the language change on 4chan, like when
>ISHYGDDT
slowly got replaced with variations of
>shiggitygiggitydoo

>> No.3597969

>>3597746
Nice, I hope I'm part of 4chan history now

>> No.3597981

>>3597963
And how 2deep4me was simplified to

ndeep2nme.

Now we are seeing variations of m7+1 and even using 3deep5me. Breaking conventions of the multiple of twos.

Some one has already done this, try to mainstreamfy *chan culture... and badly, it's called 'know your meme' which now a 9fag infested pony wiki.

>> No.3597994

>>3597963
Yes I love that, how Quentin started with,
"I seriously hope you guys don't do this", it got matched with the Costanza pic, it became ISHYGDDT then ISHIGGYDIGGY and on and eventually the daring synthesis "le shiggy donnatello".

>> No.3598003

>>3597994
>post reminds me of 'le shiggy donnatello' image
>find it hilarious
>google ' le shiggy donnatello'
>first result is 'know your meme'
>"daring synthesis"
>daring synthesis
>daring synthesises

Are you a writer for Know Your Meme?

>> No.3598016

>>3597981
You can really see some sort of cultural language evolution going on in this place.

It's especially interesting when it's happening slowly, without some single agent starting it.

If someone for example tries to do something knew, and force it to be like that, people will call him out on being 'new' or something, because that person didnt follow the already existing rules and conventions.

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>>3598003
The first time le shiggy donatello was posted, this was the text actually used.
>Le Shiggy Donatello is a daring synthesis of several memes and popular culture: you have constanza, TMNT, sadfrog and the ironic use of “le” all in one meme.

>> No.3598034

>>3598016

Yes! The fact that It just happens slowly without anyone really knowing how it started and people just start accepting it and using it until it's become the norm and eventually it evolves further or dies out in favor of something else.

Just look at old screencaps, how different things were. You don't even have to go far back to notice it. Fascinating stuff if you ask me.

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3598036

>le shiggy Donatello

mfw

>> No.3598037

I've always felt like 4chan represented a pretty unique insight into culture and society working under anarchistic settings.

Who here's a professor of linguistics/sociology? Seriously, write a book.

>> No.3598042

>>3598016
It's cool how you can't really be a internet tourist to get in the sikret klub kode we speak in. And the fact that it changes without unanimous consent is cool too.

Also force memes are culled right away

>> No.3598055

Guys I found this

>projects.csail.mit.edu/chanthropology/4chan.pdf

>> No.3598073

>>3598055
Wow someone actually sat down and studied the cancer of /b/

bravo academia

>> No.3598093
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3598093

4chan kinda simulates an oral culture, what with everything being impermanent and thus things only lasting through "retellings," which of course also leads to mutations and variations.

Like, woh dude.

>> No.3598095

>>3598093
mutations and variations in retellings are far far more rare than say the rapid development of advice dog or feels bad man

>> No.3598103

>>3598095

But advice dog itself is a major example of mutations and variations...

>> No.3598107

>>3598095
if you have to try, its probably shit. hence generators are pure crap

>> No.3598161

>>3598103
but it's not an example of oral culture like old buddhist cultures of constant learning and repetition of texts. there is very little to no mutation in those after how ever many thousands of years they have existed. advice dog, on the other hand, has mutated into a 'meme' completely detached from its original form

>> No.3598181

>>3597377
I would say most people use greentext to paraphrase or quote, not summarize.

>> No.3598190

/lit/, please stay out of my /gd/. I know it's you.

>>>/gd/33000
>>>/gd/33678
>>>/gd/33526

Kthnxbye.

>> No.3598192

>>3598161
>constant learning and repetition of texts

Guess why it didn't change.
Because of the text.
4chan is similar to oral tradition because the original source often disappears. A thread is not archived (or rather wasn't)

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>>3598190
>lol this guy posted a book
>must be from /lit/

>> No.3598228

>>3598223
Wittgenstein, Tao Lin, Camus, yup, his most likely from another board.

>being this stupid

>> No.3598232

>>3597377
I've always found the use of reaction images interesting.

The best thing about 4chan though is feeling part of a community even though we are all anonymous. It's pretty strange and cool.

>> No.3598236

>>3597591

One of the best stories I've read on /b/

>> No.3598250

>>3597614

>wtf did I just read

Exactly my thoughts

What do you guys think of "The Vagina-Ass of Lucifer Niggerbastard?

>> No.3598270

>>3598228
Everyone who listens to obscure music must be from /mu/, and everyone who likes football must be from /sp/

>> No.3598285

>>3598270
Interesting point, but with /lit/ it goes deeper than that; there is almost certainly a subcultural dialect that exists on /lit/ I haven't seen anywhere else on 4chan or real life present in those posts. Then again, they could've never been to /lit/ and merely came up with that 'dialect' from other boards/sites

>> No.3598291

>>3598285
Please stop it nigger, most lesser boards are filled with cross channer. /lit/ is not a unique in anyway, I guess you don't major any other board as well.

This is how you should see it:
4chan (culture)
boards (subjects you wish to discuss)

So please discuss music in /mu/, not in /lit/ because you think yourselves as /lit/ and that we are your friends.

Nope.

>> No.3598295

>>3597377
I actually did a bit of writing on the development/evolution of memes and the specialization of communication on sites like 4chan for my big senior project thing at Uni.

It really is fascinating stuff, and if you approach it with that blend of open mind and academic focus, it can be a real conversation starter.

>> No.3598298

>>3598285
I had pretty distinct literary taste before coming to this board. A lot of the books that are praised as classics here I had already read. I'm sure I'm not the only person like that, either.

>> No.3598300

>>3597981

3deep5me came from the 5ever copypasta and was newer than the other variants I think.

>>3598016

No. almost every meme is forced, although plenty of forced memes do fail.

>> No.3598302

>>3598291
>Calling someone a nigger
Pls go back to /b/

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3598307

>>3598232

The feels of 4chan. Much like this but, ironically for a post on /lit/, without the books.

>> No.3598309

>>3598300
oh god the 5ever story, liek if u crey evrytime

>> No.3598315

>>3598291
I do major other boards, they do not talk about philosophy the way those posters did. Sorry I made a mistake.
>>3598298
You're right, and they did mention brain in a vat, which I haven't seen on /lit/.

>> No.3598324

>>3598323
The History Boys.

A pretty mediocre film.

>> No.3598323

>>3598307
>

Where's this from?

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>>3598315
>You're right, and they did mention brain in a vat, which I haven't seen on /lit/.
Really? /lit/ brings it up every now and again, usually with a picture like this.

>> No.3598350

>>3598307
Not entirely relevant. But have you ever had one of those moments that someone you haven't spoken to in a long time tells you a story while reminiscing his and your childhood about what he experienced, and you could have swore it was you that experienced it rather than that guy and eventually you become uncertain if you really did experience it, or if you just remember the memory of it and put yourself as the subject of the story.

Because I had that twice now and it's scaring me.

>> No.3598355

>>3598350
You're a lonely person with an empty life. You have taken other peoples memories to add to your meagre collection.

>> No.3598381

>>3598285
I find this as well. /lit/ is somewhat alone in trying to let go of the bonds that tie it to 4chan.

>> No.3598384

It just amazes me how ridiculously convenient the whole >implying thing is. You say so much with that structure. And I know it's basically a strawman, but whatever. It's cool.

>> No.3598392

Anyone have the /fit/ story of a guy that messes up his date? He beats his own doodle jump record, sweats profusely (multiple times) and makes a whole scene at a restaurant.

>> No.3598393
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3598393

>>3598042
soo... how long did it take everyone to figure out what the hell everyone was saying?

it was several months of lurking /b/ in fascination before i got a hold of what was really being said: subtext, jargon, culture and what have you. i had only a couple years of internet experience at the time. couldn't figure out *what* the fuck was going on. yet, i... could not look away.

>> No.3598395

>>3598384
It is wonderfully versatile.

>> No.3598400
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3598400

Incoming: funniest picture on the internet.

>> No.3598403
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3598403

>>3598384

>> No.3598410

>>3598309
post it?

>> No.3598413

>>3598403
This image is fucking awful. It is not funny in the slightest.

>> No.3598421

>>3598393
I was able to understand greentexting pretty much immediately. Though at first I thought when people said ">saging" that it meant that the poster was trying too hard to seem wise.

>> No.3598422

>>3598413
I don't see it as meaning to be funny. It's more about how we're losing the ability to debate with real arguments in favor of these 'meme arrows' thing.

>> No.3598425

>>3598422
>Calling them meme arrows
Holy shit, please just fuck off.

>> No.3598427

>>3598410
A gurl was walkin2 skewl wit her bf n they were crossin da rode.
she sed "bbz will u luv me 4evr"
he said "NO..""
da gurl cryed N ran across da rode b4 da green man came on the sine.
boy was cryin and went to pic up her body.
she was ded.
he whispered 2 her corpse "I ment 2 sey i will luv u FIVE-ever..." (dat mean he luv her moar den 4evr)

xxx~*...like dis if u cry evry time...~*xxx

>> No.3598429

>>3598393
Back when I first got to /b/ back in 2006-7 I just kept scrolling through pages (not knowing threads existed) looking at images. Then when I went to another page I would be surprised to see the same image (= thread) again .

Greentext is pretty straightforward though. Things like >mfw used to be spelled out fully before they became acronyms so yeah. Although I thought >tfw meant 'their face when' for a while.

>> No.3598431

>>3597251
I was in a cave
,saw some images on a wall
,climbed up the ladder
,went outside
,said "holy shit, all this light"
,looked at all those nice forms
,went back
and said "hey guys I saw all those forms outside"
They answered "yeah sure asshole, fuck off"
that face when

>> No.3598433

>>3598425
thatsthejoke.png

>> No.3598434
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3598434

>>3598400
oh god, this one. no greentext, though, but yeah.

OK, well, if we're gonna post non-greentext caps, then this one is a pre-/lit/ thing on /b/ that is basically us. you could find philosophy on there a lot before /lit/ actually

>> No.3598435

>>3598425
>that feel when I'm the first person to use "meme arrows"

It was just a dumb thing I said, I didn't think it would semi-catch on.

>> No.3598436

>>3598429
>>3598431
Like this guy.

>> No.3598437

>>3598400

Not sure if laugh or rage

>> No.3598438

>>3598400
AHAHAH THIS IS SO INFURIATING AND HILARIOUS AT THE SAME TIME

>> No.3598443

>>3598427

Unexpected ending, I bursted into tears of laughter and sadness

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>>3598422

That doesn't work though because this image makes that point while also being faintly amusing

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3598457

Dump anything similar to this please! Similar to this?
-Thus, including hot girls in gas masks.
Ill dump what i got..

>> No.3598459

>>3598457

missed your board

>> No.3598481

Greentext is a style utilized on the internet for two main purposes: Quoting what has been said by other uses in a discussion medium, or as a method of storytelling. All lines of text in greentext are prefixed by a single ket (>), which gives the style its eponymous color.

Using greentext for the purpose of quotation is only superficially different from conventional quotation, though in many cases the message of the quoted may be distorted, oversimplified, or otherwise altered. An example may go as follows:

Quoted: We should engineer mushroom to grow wood!
Greentexter: >LOL WHAT'S BIOLOGY
The greentexter twists the quoted's words, and in doing so suggests the quoted's ignorance.

Storytelling through greentext is much more complex than its use in quotation. It follows a specific set of rules. While a story can be considered greentext if it does not satisfy all of the following criteria, it must adhere to at least some. Greentext stories are either comedic or intent to sadden the reader. In the latter case, they are said to cause "feels" if the attempt is successful. They are also typically told from a point of view between first and second person; most actions, unless attributed to a character or object, are assumed to be done by an avatar of the reader. Two additional characteristics are both short length overall and short sentence length.

(Cont.)

>> No.3598485

>>3598481
Sentences in greentext are usually constructed as efficiently and concisely as possible, often compromising conventional grammar in doing so. Punctuation is also foregone. Each sentence is on a separate line, and usually begins without a capital letter. They are almost always simple sentences; if a complex sentence is to be conveyed, individual clauses are usually split onto separate lines, though compound sentences may sometimes remain intact. Sometimes, a sentence may resemble a computer filename; this indicates that the storyteller is unable to express his feelings in words. In such a case, the reader is left to think of an appropriate image. In addition, profanity is often used liberally. A brief example of greentext storytelling follows.

>go to bathroom
>spider on wall
>SHITSHITSHIT
>freak out
>splash toilet water everywhere
>mom comes in
>spaghetti falls out of my pockets
>THERESAFUCKINGSPIDERKILLITKILLIT
>mom takes off her slipper
>SPLAT
>avoid bathroom for three weeks
This is an example of a comedic greentext, retelling an anecdote about the writer's arachnophobia.
So, what obvious error did I make?

>> No.3598489

>that feel when if there are two sentences of equal length, but one has a greentext arrow in front of it, it is more likely I will read that sentence

>> No.3598498

>>3598485
You should probably explain the spaghetti.

>> No.3598517

>>3598498
Right, as a metaphor for embarassment or social discomfort. Any other obvious errors?

>> No.3598537

>>3598485
huh, pretty good, but in addition to explaining the profanity and use of file extensions, put in something about specific cultural slang i.e. spaghetti

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3598546

If I had to take a swing at answering technically, I'd say - and please forgive me if I fuck up the terminology, my formal knowledge of grammar is weak and always has been -

"Greentext compresses a narrative into a punctuated series of events, each briefly described in sentence fragments from which the Subject is often omitted."

If I had to come up with an academic name for it based on this, I'd probably call it something like "Punctuated Implied-Subject Style" which I like both because it involves
>implying
and abbreviates to PISS.

>> No.3598556

Does anyone here really appreciate 4chan for its humor? This website is pretty much the only one that makes me laugh. I think it's the fact that the posts here are devoid of emotion and therefore dry from the get go. This goes hand in hand with the lack of respect that is enabled by its anonymous nature. For example I saw an elaborate post about someone considering suicide on /mu/ and the first post was kill yourself. This kind of humor I seldomly find in real life. Also the deliberate misquotes and exagerations that clearly show that the poster is knowledgeable about what he speaks about but distancing himself at the same time by some sort of weird selfreflection is absolutely hilarious to me, it's like a play where people assume different roles and change themselves.
Can anyone relate to this or understand what I mean with that?

>> No.3598558

>>3598307
Hey neat, I just had this feel about this feel!

>> No.3598563

>>3598295
Did you come across anything really novel in your research? Scholars who have touched on things like this, maybe?

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>>3598546
>"Punctuated Implied-Subject Style" which I like both because it involves
>>implying
>and abbreviates to PISS.


you make a compelling argument, sir

>> No.3598581

Pic related in >>3598393 is what I meant in post >>>3598556. This detachment and serenity in contrast to what is said.
>my sister is in here too

>> No.3598582

>>3598556
>Also the deliberate misquotes and exagerations that clearly show that the poster is knowledgeable about what he speaks about but distancing himself at the same time by some sort of weird selfreflection is absolutely hilarious to me, it's like a play where people assume different roles and change themselves.

elaborate.

but yeah, the first point is spot-on

>> No.3598596

>>3598582
ah yes. like a "fuck it, what's done is done and I will just record the event with zen-like detachment." (even if it's an obvious lie like the elephant story.) never thought about it, but anonymity contributes greatly to the creation of that kind of humor. it seems like more mainstream humor is headed that way, though. like Louis CK's sort of honest bewilderment at events that are supposed to be embarrassing.

sorry, disregard>>3598582

>> No.3598625

>>3598427
Nowadays I can't help it but read it in Duke's voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWXLzFsRvz0

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>>3597518
/tg/ has some excellent stories.

>> No.3598659

>>3598582
I think what I wanted to describe there is a mix of trolling and greentexting actually. What I meant is that people may be whatever in their real life but then change their role once they come here as "anon" is a blank page to fill. For example many take the role of the complete loser virgin and elaborate on this to cause a comedic effect. See greentext stories of social embarrasment. What I wanted to say with the selfreflection is that by making every poster anon people can also self reflect by becoming the opposite of what they are. A poster can for example trash an opinion they share here to and by doing so gain more perspective about both sides of a topic because they deliberatly argue against their own conceptions for example in the form of trolling. I am not a native speaker so it's difficult to get this thought out in the way I want to, sorry. Maybe this cleared some things up.

>> No.3598719

>>3598659

I think it is because of the anonymity that feels posts are able to create so much empathy. As in, everyone is a blank page by virtue of being anon as a result I automatically think of you as my bro's, my peers reaching out across cyberspace.

If we were to see a picture of the person who was posting I doubt I'd care because I would already be to busy making assumptions about that person, reasons why they are the 'other', perhaps not want to associate myself with their social anxiety and feels.

>> No.3598729

>>3598659
right on, i get it now.

I've thought about some of the stuff ITT before, and I keep coming back to how unique in history it is. taken as a whole, there isn't much precedence for anything like it in history as far as this weird-ass network thing that we collectively use all over the world, but in terms of tropes it's kinda like an oracle run by the trickster gods or something.

>> No.3598731

>>3598719
totally this

>> No.3598753

>>3598659
>A poster can for example trash an opinion they share here to and by doing so gain more perspective about both sides of a topic because they deliberatly argue against their own conceptions for example in the form of trolling
I sometimes do this. Since it's hard to get an argument running if you ask or just say you are curious about it, it is better to be aggressive, and people will probably catch the bait, therefore discussing that topic you want to talk about.

>> No.3598796

>>3598753

Yeah, I do this too. Not usually on /lit/, since everyone who posts here is so full of themselves that they will eventually respond with authority to even the least interesting post imaginable just to look smart -- but on some of the faster boards this is a great way to get people to open up with their opinions.

>> No.3598887

>>3598796

What on earth did you just say about me, you clearly uneducated cretin? I'll have you know that I graduated top of my class from Harvard, and have been involved in numerous put downs against positivists and STEMS majors, and I have over 300 published conference papers to my name. I am trained in post-structural methodologies and am the most critical scholar of my Alma Mata. You are nothing to me but another greasy undergraduate to be swiftly dismissed. I will deconstruct your argument with ease crushing the very core of your belief system with augments that are trite and tired to me. You will be wiped out with such precision that you will be forced to dropout, return to you parents house and spend the rest of your life as a NEET. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am scoffing with derision to your faculty, you better prepare for the storm, maggot your GPA will never recover. It will be a storm that wipes out that pathetic little thing you call your intellect. Your fucking over, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can deconstruct you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with Baudrillard. Not only am I extensively trained in methodlogies, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the academia and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent epistemologically, ontologically and meta-physically, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little aside about me being uneducated was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking stupid, kiddo.

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>>3598887
>I can deconstruct you in over seven hundred ways

>> No.3600173

>>3598659

I find it interesting that their are so many posters on 4chan for whom English is their second or third language.

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So anyone want to make a group chat and start compiling a "4chan Reader" of sorts. Just get all the fragments and testimony in for preservation and perhaps print a few copies so that it will be a physical documentation equivalent of Pompeii graffiti.

>picrelated2secondmockupinpaint

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>>3600255

Yea why not.

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>>3600265
Great...

I don't know what the fuck i'm doing. How do we make a group chat?

>> No.3600272

>>3600255
I'm in.
I have sort of experience of this.

>> No.3600281

http://www.disposablechat.com/chat/4chanlit?password=

>> No.3600288 [DELETED] 

>>3600281

Beat me to it perhaps I just setup ##lit on freenode

>> No.3600336

The chat kinda died. I'll go home and setup the stuff we discussed and you'll be noticed via e-mail.

Also, we are of course looking for people to join this project.

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>2011

>plus tip

>not putting your greentext in the fridge

>implying that a certain set of characteristics do not influence ones to make new threads and become an op, with faggotry being an emergent property of such characteristics.

shig

>> No.3600372

>>3597461
Someone will write a song called Christopher Poole before that happens.

>> No.3600377

>>3598887

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I have an intricate history. Experiences and feelings. I’m complex. I read. I study and read. I bet I’ve read everything you’ve read. Don’t think I haven’t. I consume libraries. I wear out spines and ROM-drives. I do things like get in a taxi and say, “The library, and step on it.” My instincts concerning syntax and mechanics are better than your own, I can tell, with due respect. But it transcends the mechanics. I’m not a machine. I feel and believe. I have opinions. Some of them are interesting. I could, if you’d let me, talk and talk. Let’s talk about anything. I believe the influence of Kierkegaard on Camus is underestimated. I believe Dennis Gabor may very well have been the Antichrist. I believe Hobbes is just Rousseau in a dark mirror. I believe, with Hegel, that transcendence is absorption. I could interface you guys right under the table. I’m not just a creatus, manufactured, conditioned, bred for a function. Please don’t think I don’t care. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>> No.3600389

>>3598338
Solipsism is widely discredited though, which is why /lit/ tends to ignore it and leave it to the casual boards who have only seen the matrix and can't into philosophy

>> No.3600410

>>3600389
i am a noob, why is solipsisism discredited?
pls not mean2me

they can't have disproved it right

>> No.3600429

>>3600410
It's just such a stupid response to stuff
>What is the most ethical course to take here?
>LOL BRAIN IN JAR DISREGASRD ALL LOL!!1!1!!

It's like extreme post-modernism, only responding with 'why?'
You can't even really good-faith existential ethics it, you just have to accept that even if it does hold true, you must treat your synthesised world as if it were real

It's just plain childish

>> No.3600436

>>3597251
Someone explain this to me please, I know it has something to do with the allegory of the cave but can't put my finger on it.

>> No.3600450

>>3597322
this gets it.

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>>3600436
>thought you were srs
>started to write reply
>felt silly
>mfw

>> No.3600508

>>3600429

Also there's no particular reason to believe it to be true. An argument for it (beyond the one that also makes it meaningless or indefensible) would have to make the case that it required fewer theoretical suppositions than the alternatives, I would think, but I can't see how that would be the case, because if you apply equal standards it would still have to explain where thoughts are coming from if the "stimuli" that trigger them aren't real and/or the senses don't perceive real external phenomena. Once it starts on that, it would have to start being just as complex as a great deal competing shit.

In other words, if the mind is isolated, why does it think at all?

And it can't even really be applied to ethics because it would have to deny agency altogether.

>> No.3600519

>>3600410
Nothing can really be said about it. Unprovable, irrefutable and unlikely.

>> No.3600522

It's kinda like religion. Impossible to prove. Infantile. And used by idiots.

edgy

>> No.3600543

>>3600508
>if the mind is isolated, why does it think at all?
because it exists
It would be a viable Cartesian option

>> No.3600560

>>3600543
Where does it exist? Who put it in the vat?

>> No.3600572

>>3600560
God
The place is irrelevant as nothing else needs to exist