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This book is tough to get through. Any introductory reading that will help me out with this?

>> No.3697236

bump

>> No.3697265

>>3694819

Infinite Jest

>> No.3697912

>>3694819

just read the last chapter

srs

>> No.3698572

>>3697912
thanks for the suggestion i suppose

>> No.3698576

>reading leftist trash

Anyway, what do you expect from the women who won the "Worst sentence of the year" award?

>> No.3698596

>>3698576
>>>/pol/

>> No.3698605

I have a lot of thoughts on this book, but I'll dial it back to say that at a little grounding in Lacan goes a long way in reading Butler. It'll help somewhat with the chapter on Irigaray and Kristeva, which is by far the most difficult.

>> No.3698607

>>3698596

>he insulted my deliberately impenetrable bullshit!

Get mad

>> No.3698620

>>3698607
>>>/pol/

>> No.3698633

>>3698620

Maybe you should go there since you're so bereft of actual rebuffs.

>> No.3698635

>>3698633
>>>/pol/

>> No.3698641

>>3698576

>The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

>> No.3698648

>>3698641
>>>/pol/

>> No.3698662
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3698662

>>3698648

What the fuck asshole I'm not even him

>> No.3698676

>>3698662
>>>/pol/

>> No.3698682

>>3698605
thanks. Would you consider reading a few secondary introductory sources on Lacan's thought to be enough of a grounding?

>> No.3698686

this is helpful: http://www.akad.se/Nussbaum.pdf

>> No.3698685

>>3698641
I have a ton of trouble reading long sentences sometimes, especially in philosophy books, but honestly I didn't find this one that bad.

>> No.3698684

I've been looking at this book for a while but haven't actually decided about buying it

tldr?

>> No.3698691

>>3698682
Sure.

>>3698684
"Gender isn't something you are; it's something you do."

>> No.3698716

>>3698641
Yeah fuck you Butler, I just read EP Thompson and we ignored this shit in favour of actual praxis and empirical relations.

You are a bourgeois ideologue, and you contribute nothing to the struggle except extra chains.

>> No.3698720

>>3698716
>>>/pol/

>> No.3698722

>>3698716
>actual praxis and empirical relations.
care to elaborate?

>> No.3698733

>>3698720
Yeah, nah, ur a, cunt.

>>3698722
Read any Thompsonian labour history, try "Time" in Past and Present, available for free on Libcom. Lets just say that the concrete experiences and knowledges of the class do not require bourgeois ideology to develop an understanding of reality.

More: proletarian experience is always a deeper understanding that ideology. Butler is part of the last gasp of the bourgeois project.

For the theory, Thompson on Poverty of Theory versus Althusser.

>> No.3698739 [DELETED] 

>>3698733
>>>/pol/

>> No.3698742 [DELETED] 

>>3698739
>>>/lgbt/

>> No.3698743

>>3698739
Perhaps you didn't note the literary citations or the fact that we're discussing grand theory.

>> No.3698744

>>3698733
>available for free on Libcom
>manarchists on libcom
>a picture of a fist

>> No.3698745 [DELETED] 

>>3698742
>>3698743
>>>/pol/

>> No.3698748 [DELETED] 

>>3698745
see
>>3698742

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>>3698748
>>>/pol/

>> No.3698854
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3698854

That book is shit OP. It is the story of how a lesbian uses philosophy to victimize her condition, justify her exclusion and blame the world for it.

All the conclusions of the book are already there a priori (the objective conditions of her life) and all she does is seek desperately for elaborated arguments to justify these conditions.

That is not philosophy, that is just a perverted use of it.

Despite this, if you manage to get through it, it is a useful mental exercise that will enable you to easily read relevant stuff in the future.

>> No.3698868

>>3698854
>That book is shit OP. It is the story of how a lesbian uses philosophy to victimize her condition, justify her exclusion and blame the world for it.
Hahaohwow/10. Read a little.

>> No.3699189

>>3698744
You do realise that the free interplay of signifiers and signifieds means one thing: that you are an incomprehensible cunt.