[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature

View post   
File: 129 KB, 1209x850, 11448-an-estuary-scene-jan-van-goyen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757219 No.3757219 [Reply] [Original]

I've just read The Story of Art, and while it was a rather short overview of Western art, it was still really entertaining.
Can anyone recommend any other books on art? I've heard that Vincent Van Gogh's letters to his brother give an interesting view into an artist's mind.

Also art general. There is never any decent art threads on 4chan, and /lit/ is after all the bona fide experts on anything high culture.

>> No.3757228

Edvard Munch's Journals are pretty interesting.

>> No.3757248
File: 138 KB, 887x665, slave-ship.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757248

I used to think it was Joseph Mallord and William Turner, and that they were collaborators.
I was an idiot as a teenager.

>> No.3757323
File: 573 KB, 1200x1000, Beech Forest I by Gustav Klimt OSA186.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757323

>> No.3757402
File: 1.36 MB, 1084x846, andre derain 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757402

>> No.3757407
File: 91 KB, 750x598, edouard manet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757407

>> No.3757409
File: 38 KB, 486x640, francis bacon 6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757409

>> No.3757411
File: 463 KB, 897x1200, frank dicksee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757411

>> No.3757413
File: 90 KB, 650x750, franz stuck 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757413

>> No.3757417
File: 559 KB, 1089x878, andre derain 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757417

>> No.3757421
File: 643 KB, 750x606, henri matisse.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757421

>> No.3757423

TJ Clark's "The Painting of Modern Life."

And pick up an Art Theory reader(s) for the 19th-21st centuries too, if you actually want to be better informed.

>> No.3757425
File: 224 KB, 591x800, max neumann.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757425

>> No.3757456
File: 198 KB, 1100x1223, el_greco_opening_of_the_fifth_seal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757456

>200 years ahead of his time.

>> No.3757461
File: 381 KB, 959x1210, Doré - Don Quixote.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757461

>> No.3757469
File: 102 KB, 800x1202, Rodin - Hand of God.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757469

This is my favourite sculpture by Rodin and one of the best I've ever seen.

>> No.3757494
File: 83 KB, 1280x720, 1362241968408.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757494

>unironically enjoying cisprivileged old oil paintings in the post-revisionist era

>unironically appropriating the historical avant-garde into your bourgeois fantasy of taste and participating in the culture industry

>not partaking of more socially aware and equaligenderopolitically conscious forms of art like installation, performance and video-art

>not rejecting the dominant ideologies of the mainstream eurocentric art canon and focusing your scholarship on marginal artists and artworks

It's like you people don't even art

>> No.3757501

>>3757219
Art and Illusion will be the best book you will read on Art. Then maybe move on to interaction of color by josef albers.

>> No.3757508

>>3757494
who is that and what is she from

>> No.3757511

Don't just dump images, let's see who are /lit/'s favorite artists/movements?

I personally have a soft spot for les Automatistes and the Quebecois avant-garde. Paul-Emile Borduas and all that

>> No.3757514
File: 279 KB, 700x700, 1363747748146.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757514

>>3757508
Shut up you privileged scopophiliac male-gaze-rapist

>> No.3757517

>>3757514
>lel

ffs your troll is much to thin. Kids these days dont even try anymore.

>> No.3757518

>>3757514
way to live up to your reputation of being the worst board /lit/

>> No.3757520

>>3757494
>>3757514
>forced autism
anime is the worst manifestation of late-capitalism

>> No.3757527
File: 416 KB, 1200x1600, 1302621080026.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757527

>>3757494
>Caring that much about others' tastes.
It's like some people cannot get over other people enjoying things.

>>3757469
Damn, that's good.
>Raffaelle Monti, "The Veiled Vestal Virgin" (Not 100% sure about the title)

>> No.3757540
File: 380 KB, 753x959, 1356902022505.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757540

>>3757511
I dig Surrealism, mainly.
>Beksinski, don't know the title.

>> No.3757549
File: 160 KB, 480x601, Mia-Brownell_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757549

>> No.3757550

>>3757518
nope, still /pol/ by a WIDE margin.

>> No.3757548
File: 727 KB, 1440x1920, macdonald.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757548

>>3757527
>>3757520
>>3757518
>>3757517

I'm not a troll, I'm being pretty sincere, actually. In the year of the incarnation 2013 it will be much harder for you to succeed in the academy without some manifestation of this attitude in your writing.

>> No.3757552

>>3757548
see, troll.

>> No.3757556

>>3757508
i think its ben-to

not sure though

>> No.3757558
File: 112 KB, 603x900, 2002hh1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757558

>>3757548
I couldn't give less fucks about the academy.
>Kizimecca

>> No.3757559

>>3757518
What's worse, racism, bigotry, antisemitism and weird crypto-fascist political beliefs, or SRS-tier social justice flaming and cis-hating?

>> No.3757560

>>3757501
so much this, read those two books. Almost any modern artist who is making paintings atm has read those books. They are standard curriculum.

>> No.3757569
File: 90 KB, 753x599, 753px-Paul_Cézanne_082.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757569

>>3757511
Post-impressionism, especially Cézanne, has a special place in my heart. I didn't care much about art until I went to Musée de l'Orangerie in Paris.

>> No.3757574
File: 246 KB, 1117x1500, Salvador-Dali-Little-Cinders-Cenicitas-1927-28.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757574

>>3757559
I say it's a draw.

>> No.3757578

>>3757569
you and every other middle class art pleb on the planet. The funny thing is, the general public viewed those people at the time VERY MUCH like the general public views current art now.

They saw post impressionists as talentless half finished paintings requiring little skill and even less taste.

So dont be so quick to judge current conceptual art etc. We all have rigorous classical training, there is a reason why we are not painting landscape as much anymore.

>> No.3757581
File: 47 KB, 500x494, 1331767537578.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757581

>Nicola Samori, don't know the title.

>> No.3757585

>>3757581
The dali is a classic despite only alright composition but this painting is just fucking hideous.

>> No.3757589
File: 91 KB, 900x1087, adolph-valette-oxford-road-manchester-1910.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757589

>>3757578
What movement do you like? Oh, let me guess, I've probably never heard of it, right?

>I don't know what is this, maybe impressionism?

>> No.3757590

>>3757578
He didn't make any judgements, you moron, he merely posted an artist he enjoys.

>> No.3757596

>>3757559
Objectively, you would have to say that the former is worse. However, since 4chan's demographic is mainly white males, they feel especially persecuted by the latter, while the former is criticizing an anonymous 'other' that they don't really identify or empathize with, so it's easy to see why edgy racism/sexism is a cliche but SRS-backlash is reviled.

>> No.3757597

>>3757589
Every movement pretty much has good and bad artists. Except the stuckists. Fuck them, they all suck. Tracy emin can especially suck a fatty, I cant believe MOMA bought one of his paintings.

>> No.3757599
File: 190 KB, 1600x680, Aida Makoto.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757599

>>3757585
You mean >>3757574 ?
Surrealism is meant to be ugly.

>Aida Makoto

>> No.3757604
File: 381 KB, 1537x1057, 26.Radziwil, F. - Tierra perdida -Guerra submarina-total 193.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757604

>> No.3757605

>>3757596
They're just two sides of the same coin. By labelling one of them "objectively worse" than the other, you're being as prejudiced as you accuse the "4chan demographic" (code for middle-class white male, I guess) of being.

>> No.3757609

>>3757599
>surrealism is meant to be ugly
so much wrong with that statement

I meant >>3757581 painting is ugly as fuck, along with most of their other work (they have a few good ones though)

>> No.3757618

>>3757605
No, I was simply basing my judgment off the number of terrorist acts and hate crimes each so-called "side" has committed. So far I would say that racists, bigots, and sexists are a TEENSY BIT ahead of the radical feminists in that department.

>> No.3757619
File: 69 KB, 650x540, 1333717455715.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757619

>more Beksinski

>> No.3757624
File: 63 KB, 500x986, Duchamp_door as substitute for two doors.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757624

>>3757618
Valerie Solanas shot Andy Warhol, but in the context of a thread about art I really can't complain.

>> No.3757627

>>3757605
being prejudiced against white men means nothing tho and it's disingenuous to even compare the two

>> No.3757628

>>3757618
radical feminists enforced laws that imprison innocent men of rape on baseless accusations.

It also attempts to undermine equality for the sake of female domination (something feminism traditionally did not do).

>> No.3757634
File: 38 KB, 500x500, nicolasamori_08.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757634

>>3757609
I like it BECAUSE it's ugly. And that's one of his most conventional paintings. I like his paintings because all are broken and incomplete. I enjoy how it makes me feel when I contemplate it. Btw, I don't think you understand what surrealism is about.

>> No.3757641
File: 2.85 MB, 445x247, laughinggirls.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757641

>>3757605
>>3757628
>>3757624

>all these angry white manlets

>> No.3757645
File: 44 KB, 700x976, reverso-2010-oil-on-wood-cm70x50.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757645

>>3757618
I don't give a shit about who did worse things. We were talking about what's more annoying to find on the internet, and both are so annoying I'm starting to enjoy them in a weirdly masochistic way.

Anyway, stop discussing about this, let's return to the retarded name-calling because we don't like others' artistic tastes.

>> No.3757647

>>3757634
son please. Educate yourself.

If you think surrealism was about making painting that looked ugly, you are pants on your head fucking retarded.

It was (at least partially) an attempt to analyze the unconscious and symbolic through the language of realism.

>> No.3757651
File: 64 KB, 397x600, 20111205064917-SchoolOfPan_NicolaSamori.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757651

>> No.3757661
File: 94 KB, 494x600, 1333717161847.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757661

>>3757647
It was about ignoring bourgeois conception of beauty and artistic conventions. I'd like to see Breton or Dalí listening you trying to define surrealism like this and laughing at you.

>> No.3757665
File: 35 KB, 368x540, Giorgio-de-Chirico-The-Disquieting-Muses-1918.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757665

>> No.3757670

>>3757661
oh jesus fuck you have no idea what you are talking about do you.

>> No.3757682
File: 58 KB, 640x633, atmospherocephalic-figures.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757682

>>3757670
lol he got mad.
You probably know how much the surrealists loved the academia, the experts and the people who think and talk like you.

>> No.3757685

>>3757661
Dali would laugh from his center right religious position.

>> No.3757696
File: 631 KB, 1600x1576, portrait-of-my-dead-brother-1963.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757696

>>3757685
>Taking Dalí from a non-ironic perspective.
I bet you're the ones who read the rumors and anecdotes about his life he spread and think they're all true.

>> No.3757886
File: 78 KB, 407x600, redbook[2].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757886

If you're interested in the critique of PoMo art, you should totally read this:

http://mileswmathis.com/lastman.html

and continue on: http://mileswmathis.com/writings.html

>> No.3757911

>>3757886
A non-credible, unpublished and sloppily written blog post by some sort of self-proclaimed "art scholar"?

You can seriously do way fucking better than that if you are looking for critiques of postmodernism and art, and please don't call it "pomo art"; no one calls it "pomo art".

>> No.3757943

>>3757911
Well, he knows (somewhat) how to paint which puts him miles ahead of any art critic that can't (even fellow adversaries like the stuckists don't seem to manage that) ...but the article is mostly about the lack of criticism towards PoMo art (never been to art fairs of galleries I take it?) and the reason why there seems to be such a void.

I'm wondering about these critiques of yours...let's have it then?

>> No.3757951
File: 167 KB, 920x778, [1870] The Lovers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757951

>/lit/ is after all the bona fide experts on anything high culture
My sides.
Have some of my favourite Hungarian impressionist.

>> No.3757955
File: 146 KB, 986x780, [1873] Picnic in May.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757955

>>3757951

>> No.3757958
File: 100 KB, 766x838, [1882] Balloon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3757958

>>3757955

>> No.3758082

>>3757951
>>3757955
>>3757958
Why is he your favorite/

>> No.3758142
File: 44 KB, 500x599, tumblr_ljedatQZLr1qb6pypo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758142

Some of the random art I have come across and liked enough to save...

>> No.3758144
File: 53 KB, 740x520, Ophelia-floating-Millais-BIG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758144

>>3758142

>> No.3758147
File: 210 KB, 1000x614, 1367949555795.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758147

>>3758144

>> No.3758151
File: 70 KB, 471x600, monsters_paintings_13.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758151

>> No.3758148
File: 146 KB, 500x375, h.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758148

>>3758147

>> No.3758154
File: 112 KB, 300x401, 300_857602.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758154

>>3758151

>> No.3758158
File: 32 KB, 400x353, spidapleb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758158

>>3758151
lel 2

>> No.3758163

>>3757951
This one makes me itch.

>> No.3758183
File: 194 KB, 1145x1617, bosch18.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758183

this is on my edition of Demons. Very powerful and in great connection with the book !

>> No.3758195

>>3758183
>typical_discussion_on_4chan.jpg

>> No.3758210
File: 148 KB, 1000x946, emile friant - l'expiation.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758210

>>3757219
1. Vincent's letters to his bother are most definitely worth it. Lots of insight and some of the entries are heart-crushing.
2. Da Vinci's notes are also invaluable. Lots of observations about light, volume and technique
3. Liessman's Philosophy of modern art it's a good counter to Gombrich's History of art. Gombrich sees art as a history of forms while Liessman is more of the idea of art as an history of non utilitarian ideas.
4. Your edition of Gombrich's history of art should have a long bibliography on the back, neatly divided in categories according to ages and locations. It's really well researched so take advantage of it.

>> No.3758250
File: 46 KB, 378x520, arturo rivera - el cirujano y el artista.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758250

>>3757696
still there? Thanks for the Kizimecca. Who is this one? >>3757645
Also Nicolas Amori?

>> No.3758443

>>3758250
Yes.

>> No.3758461
File: 122 KB, 600x866, makoto_aida-blender.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758461

>> No.3758475
File: 465 KB, 2186x1300, The Dead are the Dying.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758475

>> No.3758477
File: 31 KB, 600x799, Paul_Gustave_Dore_Raven4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758477

>> No.3758483
File: 766 KB, 1590x1600, Lopez.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758483

>> No.3758498
File: 828 KB, 1600x1116, Tako to ama.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758498

based hokusai

>> No.3758523
File: 323 KB, 933x648, MORONOBU.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758523

lel

>> No.3758528
File: 106 KB, 600x393, toshio saeki_01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758528

>>3758498
There's only one things more fucked up than Japanese pornography: Japanese surrealism.

>> No.3758533

>>3758523
This is like the hugest Gary Stu I've ever seen on Japanese art.

>> No.3758575
File: 139 KB, 1001x1287, Death_of_Marat_by_David.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758575

For a brief take on Modern Art and the theory behind it, Tom Wolfe's The Painted Word is good.

For a giant text, Gardner's Art through the Ages is recommended.

>> No.3758639

>>3758575
Awesome, I've been trying to find this since buying "Deathconciousness".

>> No.3758666
File: 226 KB, 873x1200, Millais, Cinderella 1870s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
3758666

I was banned once for starting a "fine art" thread on /lit/.

I suppose OP is "lucky".

>> No.3758672

Interesting stuff going on here. I saw some good names mentioned. Not a lot of current scholarships being discussed, though?

I'm a current graduate student in a History of Art department (I'll just say it is considered one of the top 3-4 in the world), aiming for the tenured life. Feel free to ask what it's like studying for a living.

>> No.3758685

>>3758666
dis qt