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3844932 No.3844932 [Reply] [Original]

Who are the deepest straight-talking Philosophers?

Deep like Kant, Fichte, and Hegel but without the vulgar linguistic bombasity?

>> No.3844933

I am unable to confirm whether bombasity is an actual word. It's not in the dictionary proper, but a Google search yields 986 hits so I trust it will.

>> No.3844934

Probably me.

>> No.3844937

>>3844933

it should be a word, its meaning is obvious and it sounds cool.

>> No.3844948

Wittgenstein

>> No.3844959

Hume is really straight forward, and writes beautifully to boot.

>> No.3844966

>>3844948
only if call reading math symbols "straight-talking"

>> No.3844967

>>3844948

I dont like Wittgenstein he doesn't talk about anything interesting.

It's not surprising he was an engineer...

>> No.3844975

>>3844932

Are you interested only in Western philosophy?

>> No.3844976

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>> No.3844979

>>3844967


you kidding, he was one of the most mystical continental philosophers out there, its practically a joke imo that he is considered amongst the analytics, even though he frequented their circles.

>> No.3844981

>>3844932
Epictetus

>> No.3844982

>>3844976

According to this post, then Sade is the "deepest" philosopher haha

>> No.3844986

>>3844976
>when my absolut FAVVVVV regina spek
>Regina Spek

the only regina I wanna hear about is Regine Olsen

>> No.3844987

>>3844975
>Are you interested only in Western philosophy?

No such thing as eastern philosophy.

>> No.3844994

>>3844979
He's still widely studied and taught and considered to be the most influential philosopher of the 20th century. He is a key influence on analytic guys like Davidson, Kripke, Dummett, Quine, early Rorty etc.

>> No.3844996

>>3844987

Oh well, suit youself.

>>3844932

What about new ones like Alain Badiou?

>> No.3844999

>>3844994

Rorty wasn't analytic. He was pragmatic and post-analytic.

Do not insult the man. Thanks.

>> No.3845018

>>3844999
>pragmatic

oh but monsieur, it is you who has insulted

>> No.3845023

>>3844994


you are mistaken good sir, i was singing his praises.

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3845029

>>3845018


say that to my face fucker.

>> No.3845043

Rand

>> No.3845056

>>3844932
Soren Kierkegaard.

>> No.3845079

>>3844932
Schopenhauer is famously straightforward. Not exceptionally deep stuff, though. Artsy and anti-academy.

>> No.3845083

>>3845079
schop is retarded imo.
so are pessimists in general.

>> No.3845234

good suggestions in this thread
i will second hume and epictetus
also if you are in "a field" you should read philosophy of [that field] because you will already understand the terminology

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3845244

Nah, I'm searching for men, not scoundrels.

>> No.3845777

>>3844932
>>3844933

The word is "bombast" you illiterate baboons.

>> No.3845807

>>3844932
None of those philosophers were "bombastic." Turgid, prolix, pleonastic prose? Yes.

>> No.3845810

>>3845083
>just read nietzsche
>hates on pessimism with the word "retarded"
>missed the point

>> No.3845823

Go for religion.

Great philosophers don't go for straight-talking because they have to get into contexts, break prejudices, define their terms, make it universal, particular, compare, and so on and on.

If you were to sum up what they are saying or make it raw and straight you would get aphorisms much similar to what religious prophets would say. And hence confusion, misunderstanding, multiple interpretations, etc, etc.

>> No.3845827

Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu don't fuck around.

>> No.3845859

>>3844932
>vulgar linguistic bombasity
I´m afraid you´ll have to stick with Goosebumps.

>> No.3845925

>>3845807

Stopped reading at "turgid."

>> No.3845928

NO FUN ALLOWED: THE THREAD.

Read some Badiou fool.

>> No.3845935

>>3845925
Why?

>> No.3845954

>>3845935

Because it's an awful word to describe prose. I hate it.

>> No.3845961

>>3845954
Your right. Sounds kind of tinny to me.

>> No.3845965

>>3845954
Has someone described your writing as turgid before? I sense trauma.

>> No.3845966

>>3845961
I think its onomatopoeic.

>> No.3845974

>>3845970

>Bla bla bla bla bla
>Not getting the reference

>> No.3845973

>>3845966
Ahh yes. Onomatopoeic. Now that's a word with a nice woody tone.

>> No.3845970

>>3845961

It's not a matter of being "right." It's just an idiosyncratic aesthetic judgement on a word. I think it is a very ugly word. That hard t and hard g and hard d is just so ugly together. See, there's a word for comparison. "Together" has the hard t and hard g, but it is softened by the "th." There is no softness to offset the hard-ass "turgid."

>> No.3845972

>>3845961
Tinny sounds tinny to me.

>> No.3845976

>>3845965

No, never. I will admit to having written bloated prose though. It's part of the process.

>> No.3845977

>>3845970
Ugly word used to describe ugly prose. Why can't you aesthetes grasp that?

>> No.3845975

>>3845970
>>3845966
>>3845961

Its just a word that sounds out of place because its hardly ever used.

I hate the sound of the work 'damask' it just sits wrong with me

>> No.3845978

>>3845976
>process
I hate that word.

>> No.3845980

>>3845978
Process is a sinister word. Like abscess except it means nothing really.

>> No.3845981

>>3845973

I like onomatopoeia. It's one of those words that has its own in-built rhythm.

>> No.3845985

>>3845977

Fair enough.

>> No.3845986

>>3845981
Sure beats anthropomorpologically.

>> No.3845995

>>3845986
anthropomorphologically*

>> No.3846002

>>3845975
Having only ever done things that made me sit wrong near damask, it is still worth the money.

>> No.3846014

>>3844932
Schopenhauer, Heidegger

>> No.3846020

Isn't Schopenhauer famous for his beer-drinkin'-common-man prose?

>> No.3846030

>>3846020
I felt a sympathy for sure. I did also once pick up Hamsun when trying to pick up Kierkegaard [my "dictionary" claims this is Kindergarten]. So, I'm going with yes.

>> No.3846062

>>3845970
the 'g' in turgid is soft, moran

>> No.3846068

>>3846062
whateva, tumid sounds so much more dirty

>> No.3846069

>>3846020
>beer-drinkin'-common-man prose

I wouldn't say that. He is quite literary and readable compared to the likes of Kant and Hegel, though. And I disagree with the Anon who said he wasn't deep; he's one of the most formidable thinkers I've yet read.

>> No.3846081

>>3846062

Guess why didn't I know that? It's because no one ever says "turgid." No one ever says it because it's fucking UGLY, even with the jiggly soft g.

Suck my anastrophe.

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3846090

>>3846081
dis nigga been thinkin it was pronounced TURGGID all dis time lmao

>> No.3846099

STRAIGHT OUTTA TRIER, CRAZY MOTHER FUCKER NAMED KARL MARX
MY WRITING BITES DEEPER THAN A BULL SHARK
I'LL FUCK YO' SISTER, I'LL FUCK YO CAT,
BUT I WON'T FUCK A BOURGEOISIE CUZ THA BITCH IS TOO FAT

>> No.3846100

>>3844966
Ever hear of the Philosophical Investigations?

>> No.3846106

Good philosophy requires linguistic opacity. The whole field is about splitting hairs, precise definitions, and for many, avoiding ambiguity. The meaning of so-called "impenetrable" works like The Phenomenology of Spirit is not difficult if you do enough work (reading, thinking, and yes writing too).

If you want "deep" philosophy without the attendant vocabulary, just look for a couple volumes of platitudes on amazon, read Corinthians. Maybe listen to some stand-up comedy from Louis C.K.

>> No.3846112

>>3846100
Is it really accessible to someone without much philosophical pedigree*? I've always been curious to see what Wittgenstein was about, but a bit scared to just dive right in.

* (So far I've only read Plato and Spinoza and a bit of Nietzsche)

>> No.3846130

>>3846112
Dive right in to Wittgenstein. It's how to sentence. It will make you forget how to English as the head pictures slowly dissolve into a vague range of things you would have called things before but you're lost at sea without a compass and will eventually have to use a blanket for your sale. But it's an easy read and a good breakdown of everything.

>> No.3846132

>>3846112
No.

If anything, Wittgenstein is the worst for an untrained amateur. His deceptive simplicity can make you imagine you've grasped his sense, when in fact you've completely missed it. Wittgenstein's work is a comment, a response, *to* the history of philosophical practice. To try and read him with no trained sense of philosophy is asking for futility.

>> No.3846136

>>3846132
So.

How in debt did the degree make you?

>> No.3846143

>>3846069

>schop deep and wise

hahaha, no. He just copied some buddhism and increased the pessimism.

>> No.3846146

>>3846132

the tractatus is shit, though. If we think about it.

wittgenshine just makes assertion after assertion without any defense or justification.

"x is the fact"
"fact is the fact"
"since x is fact it is fact as fact"

stfu wittgenshine

>> No.3846147

>>3846143
>he said mean things about womyn so i'm going to dismiss all of his ideas!

>> No.3846149

>>3846146
to provide arguments for his assertions would destroy the beauty of them

>> No.3846152

>>3846147
look we all know bitches be bitches but schop put his hos before the money and the power nom saying.

>> No.3846161

>>3846146
>he hurt you when he made you logic

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3846167

HUME!

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3846168

In your heart, you know it to be true

>> No.3846640

>>3844967
>>3844966
You can stretch philosophy out between Plato and Wittgenstein.

>>3844999
He said early Rorty. You said Rorty. You're not taking about the same.

See, future movement in philosophy will contain Wittgenstein in the deepest way

>> No.3846647

>>3845056
Oh this, i'm not sure if the english versions gives the entire picture of him though. Has a way of wrapping his prose around itself, Kierkegaard can be very confusing. He has several layors though, and The Seducers Diary should be fairly rewarding for someone starting with him.

Also Stirner

>> No.3846669

>>3845966
Ran into this yesterday in the seducers diary by Kierkegaard. It's the same word in danish.

I love Kierkegaard's danish because he uses so many word that are similiar to english words. We used to be able to use a lot of english (latin or germanic) words, which is great, because it gives a much greater vocabulary to our language. If you say those words now, people will tell you that you should stop using english words, even though they were danish as well. After some time people just started using nordic words instead.

>> No.3846975

The shallowest, circuitous-talking philosopher is L. Ron Hubbard.

>> No.3847003

>>3846168
you sick fuck!

>> No.3847004

Nietzsche is a pretty colloquial in his later works. At least, he is attested to have actually spoken the way he writes in the later works, which would be pretty amazing to see.

>> No.3848816

>>3846099
top lel

>> No.3848838

Idk why I'm reading this thread