Why aren't you reading Lolito, the new book by alt-lit sensation Ben Brooks? is it [spoiler]2deep4u?[/spoiler]

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Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:00:22 2013 No.3859636 [Reply] [Original]

Why aren't you reading Lolito, the new book by alt-lit sensation Ben Brooks?

is it 2deep4u?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:01:22 2013 No.3859638 File: 93 KB, 720x960, maybeicanbeyourgftonight.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pic related is the author >tfw no qt alt-lit bf

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:06:22 2013 No.3859650

Excerpt:

She's online.

'I booked a hotel,' I say. 'Near Marble Arch.'

'That sounds great, hon. I can't wait to see you.'

'Yeah. Me too.'

'I'm vaguely nervous.'

'Don't be.'

Do be. I'm a child.

Summary

Lolito is a love story about a fifteen year-old boy who meets a middle-aged woman on the internet.

When his long-term girlfriend and first love Alice, betrays him at a house party, Etgar goes looking for cyber solace in the arms of Macy, a stunning but bored housewife he meets online. What could possibly go wrong . . . ?

Hilarious, fearless and utterly outrageous, Lolito is a truly twenty-first century love story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:09:23 2013 No.3859661 >how not to re-imagine existing, canonical plotlines, brought to you buy some quasi-illiterate dickhead who wrote his own book reviews and wiki under the guise of someone else

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:09:23 2013 No.3859662 >>3859638 Boy is he greasy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:10:22 2013 No.3859667 File: 709 KB, 1500x1956, benbrooks.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859662 >implying he isn't perfect bf material

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:10:22 2013 No.3859668 File: 44 KB, 220x243, taolin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859636 Tao Lin clones... EVERYWHERE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:10:23 2013 No.3859664 >>3859650 >modernist, unoriginal faggot copies subpar book poorly. Nice

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:10:23 2013 No.3859666 >>3859636 I do not believe for a SECOND that Nick Cave has read this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:11:22 2013 No.3859669 >>3859661 >implying he isn't Europe's version of Tao Lin

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:12:22 2013 No.3859671 File: 53 KB, 333x500, damned.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thread should be: Why aren't you reading the new Chuck Palahniuk book Damned?

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:13:22 2013 No.3859674
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>>3859668
>tfw you will never be a Tao Lin clone and hang out at alt-lit parties with other clones and spend the whole time talking about Tao until you all get really drunk and the mildly attractive but slightly overweight girl with the black polka-dat dress and Daphne glasses says you kinda look like him and she makes out with you then writes about it on her blog and says it was an attempted rape on your part

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:14:23 2013 No.3859677 tao was sucking this guy's cock at some lit fest last year

>>	None !!lZetafI6z8s Mon Jun 17 15:14:23 2013 No.3859678 >>3859638 he looks like a uglier skrillex

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:15:23 2013 No.3859679 File: 121 KB, 640x480, meganboyle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859677 Link? Here are the teeth of Megan Boyle, who Tao lin has made out with and had anal sex with (including analingus!)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:16:23 2013 No.3859680 File: 47 KB, 327x491, benbrooksswag.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859678 >dat jelly

>>	None !!lZetafI6z8s Mon Jun 17 15:18:22 2013 No.3859686 >>3859680 im very handsome

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:19:23 2013 No.3859689 >>3859679 I don't have a link, it isn't something I read on the internet but it remains true

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:19:23 2013 No.3859690 >>3859679 >google megan boyle is there anything more unattractive than multiple non-contiguous tattoos on the arm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:24:23 2013 No.3859702 File: 6 KB, 183x275, benbrooks23.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859686 But have you written a book that Nick Cave loved?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:25:23 2013 No.3859706 File: 58 KB, 604x453, 2013havingchildrenshiggydiggy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859690 Sure there is, don't be mean to Tao's waifu :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:25:23 2013 No.3859707 I'd be pissed off if this guy was successful, but, he's not, so I don't give a shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:26:22 2013 No.3859710 >>3859707 Well, he has achieved more than you at the same age.

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:27:22 2013 No.3859711
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>>3859707
>this guy

He's written six books, all of which have been published by mainstream publishers and have reviewed well overall.

He's been translated into various languages and is something of a cult figure in Spanish youth culture

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:29:22 2013 No.3859719

>>3859711
Then why does a Google search bring up basically nothing?

The Guardian's Anna Winter had the displeasure of reviewing it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jul/03/grow-up-ben-brooks-review

I guarantee that two of those comments are written by Brooks himself, or a couple of his friends.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:29:22 2013 No.3859720 >>3859711 Spanish youth here, is he really a cult figure in Spain? To be honest this is the first time I hear of this guy. #2shit4me prolly

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:33:23 2013 No.3859731 File: 13 KB, 460x276, futureGOAT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859719 see >>3859667 >implying the opinion of some middle-aged woman are superior to cult icon Dennis Cooper "overturns centuries of literary tradition"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:35:22 2013 No.3859744 File: 22 KB, 237x320, spanishyouthareinaweofaltlitwriterbenbrooks.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859720 Yep they sure are, here's the Spanish version of his debut novel Grow Up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:36:22 2013 No.3859748 >>3859711 >>3859720 Spanish youth here, and it's the first time I hear about this guy too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:38:22 2013 No.3859751 >>3859748 It's ok to be a pleb! #patricianprivelege #plebpride

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:38:22 2013 No.3859753 >>3859748 I think this guy >>3859744 might be making this up lel. I can confirm he's not popular over here at all.

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:40:22 2013 No.3859766
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>>3859753
>making it up
>provides Spanish copy of the novel

Also his book signing tour for this new book takes place in Spain

12-13: cccb
13-14: la central parada rambla cat/mallorca
17-18: fnac illa
18-19: moritz, ronda sant antoni
19-20: alibri parada rambla catalunya diputacio

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:41:22 2013 No.3859768 >>3859731 Who the fuck is Dennis Cooper?

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:42:22 2013 No.3859773

>>3859766
Lel someone's jimmies might have been just a tad rustled.

Also, nice logic you've got going on there mate, a translated novel automatically means it's hella popular in a country where they speak that language ;)

All of those places are in Barcelona, what a little hipster twat.

>>	None !!lZetafI6z8s Mon Jun 17 15:42:22 2013 No.3859774 >>3859702 well youve got me there

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:42:23 2013 No.3859771 >>3859766 Is that the thing that Laurie Penny wrote?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:43:22 2013 No.3859775 File: 142 KB, 768x1280, Gemma.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859768

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:44:22 2013 No.3859784
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>>3859773
>Mallorca

>>3859771
Nope, just some alt-lit manifesto I found online.

Here's an alt-lit poem (pic related) which was part of a recent collection of poems by Jordan Castro, who toured the US reading it and other poems out at book stores and cafes etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:46:22 2013 No.3859791 >>3859784 >>3859766 These are fucking shit. Who pays these people? >XD metatextual musings i'm so WITTY FUCK TEH ESTABULISHMANT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:46:22 2013 No.3859793 File: 202 KB, 1280x960, altlitstar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you will never go to a houseparty full of alt-lit writers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4mUTUpWKgM

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:47:22 2013 No.3859798 File: 296 KB, 1280x853, altlitdeeplyemotionaltributetothehumandondition.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859791 I guess it's 2deep4u pal Here's an excerpt from Brooks' debut novel

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:49:22 2013 No.3859803

>>3859784
Mallorca is the name of the street where La Central (a popular library of Barcelona) is located. If you knew anything about Spain or Barcelona you would have known because it says Rambla Catalunya. Which brings me to the conclusion that you are probably making this up

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:51:22 2013 No.3859815 >>3859803 Haha, nope Just take a look at link related http://www.playgroundmag.net/musica/articulos-de-musica/columnas-musicales/alice-3-un-relato-de-ben-brooks Spaniards are eating this shit up

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:51:22 2013 No.3859818 >>3859784 Mallorca is the area where the store is in Barcelona, genius.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:52:22 2013 No.3859820 >>3859803 I'm >>3859818, you beat me to it :p

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:52:22 2013 No.3859821 >>3859768 A guy who regularly writes gay porn smut/snuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:53:23 2013 No.3859822 >>3859820 Do you live in Barca?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:53:23 2013 No.3859823 >>3859793 steve roggenbuck is so fucking annoying why does he think it's funny to talk like kermit the frog

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:53:23 2013 No.3859829 >>3859822 Nope, Madrid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:54:23 2013 No.3859830 >>3859823 >not getting your daily dose of boost by Steve Roggenbruck >not using his videos as inspiration to take each moment as it comes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:55:23 2013 No.3859832 >>3859679 That just made me go brush and floss. Take it from George Washington -- always take care of your teeth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:55:23 2013 No.3859833 >>3859815 http://www.thealligatoronline.com/?article/316 Holy shit, I found an article about him in English, he must be a celebrity in the anglophone world!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:56:23 2013 No.3859836 >>3859815 That doesn't look like a mainstream publication. Also, >3 comments Yeah, nah, get fucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:57:22 2013 No.3859838 File: 17 KB, 250x250, shiggydiggy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859832 >16th century >not wanting wooden teeth I SHIGGY DIGGY

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:57:22 2013 No.3859839 >>3859822 Not him, but I do. Why did you ask?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:57:22 2013 No.3859841 File: 190 KB, 591x890, coolwhitejumper.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859833 You're right, he is

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:58:22 2013 No.3859845 >ITT: people pretend these alt-lit figures and works are real things that people talk about

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:58:22 2013 No.3859846 >>3859798 A bit trite, but the "playing Leonard Cohen while you turn to ash" was clever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:58:23 2013 No.3859843 >>3859839 Mg gf is just leaving there. She studied in the city on an erasmus scheme

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:59:22 2013 No.3859853 Oh, my God. Guys. It's fugging habbening. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/jun/13/taipei-tao-lin-new-life-literature Just fucking look at the assmad in the comments. Alt lit can fucking suck my dick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:59:22 2013 No.3859854 File: 59 KB, 600x450, averageswedishmale.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859846 Yeah I teared up when I read that the first time

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:00:23 2013 No.3859858 File: 231 KB, 350x517, finnishguygetsthegirl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859853 >tfw Tao is too famous to shitpost on /lit/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:01:23 2013 No.3859859 File: 284 KB, 685x685, jaws.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859838 Yeah, well, I guess steel teeth would be cool, too. >tfw no witch gf

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:01:23 2013 No.3859860 >>3859843 Is she hot? I could eh, show her around

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:03:23 2013 No.3859869 File: 372 KB, 1536x2048, Chloe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859860 You missed your chance Jose, she's currently on her way to the airport I think she's cute

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:05:22 2013 No.3859877 >>3859869 Definetly hot. Well done anon, I hope she didn't get caught up in the alt-lit hype we have here in Barca, it's pretty brutal out there

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:12:23 2013 No.3859898 >>3859877 Ha. She only reads the books I give her as gifts (Murakami etc)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:15:23 2013 No.3859905 >>3859869 Oh fuck, who's the chink? I need some dry cleaning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:19:23 2013 No.3859918 >>3859905 >>>/b/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:20:22 2013 No.3859922 >>3859918 Is she from /b/ ? Oh cool, she must be 13 then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:26:22 2013 No.3859941 >>3859922 She love you long time. Faiv dollah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:26:22 2013 No.3859942 ¿Pero qué puta mierda es esto?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:27:22 2013 No.3859945 Can we please stop having threads about 'alt-lit' that are made by the author anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:27:22 2013 No.3859946 >>3859922 >epic! >super! >trolololo >cool! >anonymous doesn't forget!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:27:22 2013 No.3859948 >>3859945 B-but it isn't against the rules anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:28:23 2013 No.3859953 >>3859941 She so horneeh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:29:22 2013 No.3859954 are there any mildly successful young-ish writers who are normal people who write respectable literature?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:30:22 2013 No.3859955 >>3859954 Leonard Cohen matched your criteria when he wrote Favourite Game

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:30:22 2013 No.3859956 >>3859954 Tao Lin. And David Foster Wallace, who died young so, er, that must count for something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:30:22 2013 No.3859959 >>3859954 Tao Lin

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:33:22 2013 No.3859970
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>>3859954
There are plenty of young writers publishing very good lit, but you'll never see them discussed on here because /lit/ is full of entry-level plebs and Nietzsche fanboys

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:40:22 2013 No.3860002
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I am the only who is envy of him because he HAS SEX.
I wouldn't give a fuck about his shitty books if i'd had a horny bitch, at least some periodical sex.
Someone! Start a marxist sex liberation revolution, and fuck marriage, man.
I'm not especially ugly, fuck, but i can't stand this shit.
Please people i need sex i am too virtual 4 this man
My advice: don't touch Heidegger, lift and fuck a lot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:41:22 2013 No.3860006 >>3860002 Fuck marriage? Pleb! I've had more sex now that I am married than ever before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:43:22 2013 No.3860010 >>3859970 Please, make some recommendations. I'm willing to try something new and maybe even support a new, quality author by buying their book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:44:22 2013 No.3860015 >>3860002 >2013 >wanting to have sex Take your pleb shit elsewhere faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:50:23 2013 No.3860039 >>3860010 Seriously? Tao Lin. Also David Foster Wallace. Then go into the hardcore stuff, like Cosmopolitan and Vanity Fair. Good luck!

Screwtape !!tdBUE9PLvpz Mon Jun 17 16:54:23 2013 No.3860050

>>3859702
>Lolito is the funniest, most horrible book I've read in years. I was blown away -- Nick Cave
oddly, searching this quote only finds Amazon pages for the book
I think someone should e-mail or call or text or PM Nick Cave and ask about this

>>3860002
demanding Marxist sex liberation and saying "fuck marriage" will get you laid about as well as demanding a Marxist revolution and saying "fuck the wage system" will get you money
also the sexual revolution was already for men so you're probably pretty useless, sexual lumpen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 17:01:22 2013 No.3860061 >>3860050 I mean some braveneworldian sexual structure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 17:09:22 2013 No.3860077 >>3860050 I would totally be for this. I wonder if we could get this Brooks cunt done for fraud, so he can never write another shitty book, ever again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 17:12:22 2013 No.3860081 >>3860077 Wow the level of jelly in this thread is unbelievable

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 17:14:22 2013 No.3860089 >>3860081 Yeah, no. I'd rather never be published than be the perpetrator of such feckless, puerile, derivative, pandering rubbish.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 17:25:22 2013 No.3860115 Could these alt-writers exist outside of an insular community? I'm certain they couldn't. It's like they've created themselves a house held up by their own circular praise. It's strange. Then again...4chan

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 17:29:22 2013 No.3860126

>>3859798
>>3859784
>It is strange thinking about how easy it is to end yourself.
>because morals mean nothing when there's a knife to your throat
>so they can visit my blog... and give me 'mad hits'
Trite is right, I would've been embarrassed to write this crap as a kid. Angst ridden, naive, pretentious. "Fuck you to the objective canon", wow. Alt lit kids don't read enough. And they're too fucking ugly, too unintelligent. Irrelevant middlebrow turds that hide behind a diluted, stale idea of dissolving constructed boundaries to slide off criticism. Tao Lin's taste and concept of literary criticism is clearly more developed than rimbaud and tumblr feminism, and it shows in the quality of his work, as contrasted with the average alt fuck who doesn't have the taste or talent to tackle or transcend subjects any further than an HBO show, the perspective they've been deluded into considering "avant-garde" has already been appropriated, nullified and projected back by mass media, and can easily be found in the average mainstream "alternative" e-zine or HBO drama. Which /is/ where they find it, too stupid to absorb from any unfiltered sources, they're co-opting directly the already worn tropes of "edgy" media with total naivety, as confused with "sincerity". These two excerpts are childish and base and imitative. Butler's work is indulgent and superfluous (down to the tasteless overdesign of Scorch Atlas' pseudo-burnt pages), Cicero is blunt and hamfisted. Roggenbuck is a fucking idiot, and they are too damn ugly.

>>3859898
>(Murakami etc)
lol

Post an excerpt from Lolito

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 21:19:14 2013 No.3860675 >>3859821 It is pretty obvious that you have never read a single book by Dennis Cooper.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 04:55:23 2013 No.3861639 >>3859650 >'I'm vaguely nervous.' This is starting to become a cliché.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:02:22 2013 No.3861649 >>3859711 >Spanish youth I don't think Hispanic countries are compatible with this literature. I think you're wasting your time guys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:03:22 2013 No.3861651 >>3860089 what are you even talking about lmao you just stole your opinions from some other guy on 4chan because you liked how strongly worded his opinion was

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:03:22 2013 No.3861652 >>3859636 >Nick Cave loves it Probably some wannabe edgy bullshit then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:05:23 2013 No.3861655 >>3860126 well at least you tried to make your criticism above alt-lit standards

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:06:23 2013 No.3861656 File: 248 KB, 538x621, 1365767967257.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859650 >'Don't be.' >Do be. make it stop

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:08:23 2013 No.3861659 >>3859666 I agree. If he really did love it i'd be straight on it ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:18:22 2013 No.3861676 Why the fuck should I memorize the names of all this people? Tell me, really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:25:23 2013 No.3861686 Thought "no one knows the horror I'm going through in this moment" while scrolling down this thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:26:27 2013 No.3861689 File: 45 KB, 402x402, Harold-Bloom-9216064-1-402[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He warned us about the tide of mediocre works we'd be letting in if we relaxed our critical standards. Why didn't we listen?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:46:23 2013 No.3861708 I think they took the Nick Cave from what he said about Lolita He's done a bunch of readings of the books http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/03/hibrow-nick-cave-reads-fr_n_2398455.html And seems to really like it

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:47:23 2013 No.3861709

>>3860126
>Butler's work is indulgent and superfluous (down to the tasteless overdesign of Scorch Atlas'
I know what you mean about the over designed pages of Scorch Atlas, but I thought that book's content was so well done and well put together that I could have easily overlooked that. I feel Butler has both an importance on the interior and exterior--- welling up emotions and powerful vivid images that truly jump off the page with loads of originality. Can't say much about the rest of his works, though.

>Cicero is blunt and hamfisted.
Can't argue with that. I think that is his thing and at times it works, but more often than not it is quite middle of the road.

>Roggenbuck is a fucking idiot
His inspirational things are a little annoying and pretty juvenile, but he seems like a genuinely happy kid that showed just calm the fuck down a bit. His work is not very good, though.

>they are too damn ugly.
Yup

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:47:23 2013 No.3861710 >>3861689 A Ron Paul Armageddon version of that pic with "WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN" written on it would have been funny

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 05:59:22 2013 No.3861716 >>3859638 Classic Paul Dano

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 06:21:22 2013 No.3861737 >>3859650 doobie hehehe

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 07:09:23 2013 No.3861801 >>3859869 oh damn, who's the babe

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 07:22:27 2013 No.3861826 >>3859636 I liked "Grow Up" by him. Should've taken his own advice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 07:28:22 2013 No.3861833 Why does anybody ITT care what Nick Cave thinks? He's put out some good albums, but his writing sucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 07:29:22 2013 No.3861835 >>3860039 >tao lin calling other people entry-level

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 07:47:22 2013 No.3861857

>>3861639
yes "vaguely ____", "seems insane", "seems _____", "i felt aversion to ____" are all altlitisms that are probably pervasive in their social group, so translate into their writing

>>3860010
i'm with this guy. i've read some of the altlit stuff, and taipei is the only book i've read worth anything. but i am certainly interested in reading works by people under 30 that are NOT alt lit.

seconding the request for recommendations

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 07:49:25 2013 No.3861861 >>3861857 >altlitisms don't give them so much credit. that's just typical collegespeak.

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 10:49:24 2013 No.3862020

speaking of alt lit, i wrote this rather long review/summation of taipei for another forum. i am not a writer by practice other than providing book reviews for the people on the forum i post.

i was wondering if i could get some feedback on my review, is it absolute shit? just needs more editing?
http://pastebin.com/5fgUK9cE

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 11:02:22 2013 No.3862037
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Haven't read that. Heiko Julien is the only "alt-lit" author whose works I could honestly stand and even enjoy.

Tao Lin seems decrepit and boring, the others are too try hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 11:25:23 2013 No.3862066 >>3862037 >Heiko Julien thanks for the heko julien tip, just read the first page of his tumblr and he sounds much more grounded/self-aware than the rest of the alt lit crowd. i'll give him a try

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 11:31:23 2013 No.3862072 >>3862066 Try "I'm Ready to Die a Violent Death" and "There Is No Reason for Tigers to Be Beautiful, They Just Are". You can also add him on facebook. He often writes entertaining status updates.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 11:55:59 2013 No.3862110 >>3862066 Plus he's not ugly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 12:05:23 2013 No.3862123 >>3862072 unfortunately i did not immediately find these for download.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 12:13:23 2013 No.3862136 >>3862123 It's available in Thought Catalog and Pop Serial. It also went viral on Scribd. His works are really, really short. But they're great. http://www.scribd.com/doc/102952623/I-Am-Ready-To-Die-A-Violent-Death

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 12:19:22 2013 No.3862146 >>3859636 Gay and shit and not entertaining. >post-modern masTURDpiece

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 12:28:22 2013 No.3862168 >>3860126 Hipsterdom has been the greatest thing to happen to ugly people. I for one am grateful for it.

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 14:58:22 2013 No.3862373 [DELETED]

>>3862037
>my zen so fresh dont never catch me not being real no no
>see me inventing new yoga moves in the mcdonalds playplace. ask me out to dinner ata different mcdoandls
>save the date for our Fast Food Wedding

Is it just consumerism juxtaposed with new age religion?
Like I said
>the perspective they've been deluded into considering "avant-garde" has already been appropriated, nullified and projected back by mass media,
The idea isn't interesting at all, I'm pretty sure if you wait long enough, you'll catch a long-running commercial incorporating the joke. He thinks he's wittily satirizing commercially fed maxims drilled to the point of meaninglessness ie the native americans used to use every part of the buffalo, but embodies the projection down to his packaged anti-consumerist outlook and ironic-not-ironic underscored with dashes of "dancers" & "beauty" sincerity that are only slightly more novel, maybe it's only been a few years since Old Navy and Samsung have caught up to the aesthetic.

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 15:07:22 2013 No.3862383

>>3862037
>my zen so fresh dont never catch me not being real no no
>see me inventing new yoga moves in the mcdonalds playplace. ask me out to dinner ata different mcdoandls
>save the date for our Fast Food Wedding

Is this just consumerism juxtaposed with new age religion?
like I said
>the perspective they've been deluded into considering "avant-garde" has already been appropriated, nullified and projected back by mass media,
The idea isn't interesting at all, I'm pretty sure if you wait long enough, you'll catch a long-running commercial incorporating the same joke. Maybe it'll even get a few more points of cleverness for it's tongue-in-cheek self-satire considering the admittedly commercial agenda of a commercial. See ,he thinks he's wittily satirizing commercially fed maxims drilled to the point of meaninglessness, ie "the native americans used to use every part of the buffalo", when he embodies the projection right down to his packaged anti-consumerist outlook, and an ironic-not-ironic underscored with dashes of "dancers" & "beauty" sincerity that are only from a slightly more novel source, maybe it's only been a few years since Old Navy and AT&T have caught up to the aesthetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvp7mD8w4-w
Look the art's being fucking replaced by selfie's, that has to be self-aware and if it is, they're fucking undermining everything, right down to the psuedo-hipster "urbanites" they've manifested for appropiate 30 second caricatures, which are directly informing the new wave of post-grads coming into the city who will strive to embody the smartphone advertisement lifestyle. And little Heiko Julien thinks and melodramatically announces (but really does sincerely believe) he's a jaded satirist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 15:18:22 2013 No.3862403 >>3859667 >"a boring cunt" I've heard that before somewhere. Also an author criticizing another one. On another note, I really hate that kid and I've only read that text. "Things go over quickly in my mind" what a douche.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 15:22:22 2013 No.3862409 >>3859636 >>3859638 I refuse to read authors that are physically unattractive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 15:50:22 2013 No.3862452 I used to share a flat with him this is my /lit/ claim to fame

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 16:09:22 2013 No.3862482 >>3862452 Lel I've seen you post this in every alt-lit thread where Ben Brooks pops up

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 16:11:22 2013 No.3862486
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>Alt-Lit
Always good for a laugh.

>>3860115
>It's like they've created themselves a house held up by their own circular praise.
Like most insular communities, especially the little bubbles of mutual appraisal and universal advocacy that exist in abundance on the internet ('I'm so glad I found out that I'm not the only person who enjoys stuffing my arsehole with pine cones, I feel like my lifestyle is now justified!), self awareness is rare, and often fatal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 16:21:23 2013 No.3862517 >>3859638 He looks like he listens to Parkway Drive

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 16:24:23 2013 No.3862528 >>3862482 I know I always try not to post but I can't help myself

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 16:27:22 2013 No.3862537 >>3862528 What was that like?

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:24:13 2013 No.3862709

1. Just hypothetically, what does the typical alt-lit career track look like before Tao Lin publishes/blurbs you and you ink a book deal within a year?

Is it a social thing - you know so and so who knows Blake Butler and so you get stuck up on HTML Giant and start going to The Right Parties? Or is it the other way around - you submit and get published on HTML Giant or something and then you start

Or is it much more new media, your Tumblr gets followers, and then Blake Butler notices you, as a prelude to Tao noticing you?

It all seems really opaque how it happens.

2. Are is there fucking any other significant writing happening from people under 30? Individuals or movements or whatever, but people getting published and making an impact on the culture.

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:27:22 2013 No.3862718

>>3862537
It was pretty good. He had a bunch of hipster/alt-lit friends (in London) and sometimes I'd be trying to sleep and I'd hear them listening to music or having really inane conversations at like 2am in monotone voices about society or capitalism or something. I only lived with him for around three months though

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:29:22 2013 No.3862723 >>3862718 why are you pretending to be me this is weird and feels cringy

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:30:22 2013 No.3862725

>>3862709
1.
Step 1: Write a shitty essay for thought catalogue
Step 2: Start a twitter and tumblr. account and post inane things about your stream of consciousness or boring life
Step 3: Build up a following and become friends with the inner circle of al-litters who run online magazines or who have had something published
Step 4: Write a really deadpan story or collection of poems then remove any punchlines or actual humour that people might appreciate
Step 5: Post these to MuuMuu house or any of the other alt-lit hubs
Step 6: ???
Step 7: Profit!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:31:22 2013 No.3862728 >>3862723 >implying you're not Ben Brooks

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:32:22 2013 No.3862732 File: 33 KB, 432x413, really.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3862709 >people under 30 >making an impact on the culture >2013

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:34:22 2013 No.3862738 File: 17 KB, 297x350, tvthrownoutwindow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859650

Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:43:22 2013 No.3862754
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>>3859954
>>3860010
Zadie Smith wrote White Teeth when she was only in her early 20s. That's hope for me that there are young people who actually care about putting out quality work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:43:22 2013 No.3862755 >>3862728 >implying you didn't answer a question addressed to me I wasn't intending to answer with a weird fictitious domestic vignette >implying you aren't now trying to obfuscate this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:47:22 2013 No.3862764 >>3862754 She started it when she was 18 or 19

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:47:22 2013 No.3862765 >>3862764 Even better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:47:22 2013 No.3862766 >>3862755 Would you say 'yes' if I asked you out?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:48:23 2013 No.3862768 >>3861709 >praising prose for 'jumping off the page' >not being a pleb

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 17:52:22 2013 No.3862776 >>3862766 >>3862755 dubs confirm u have to fuck now

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 18 18:23:22 2013 No.3862866 File: 34 KB, 253x320, asdlkfj.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3862776

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 02:49:10 2013 No.3863786 >>3862768 I didn't know talking about literature made made me a pleb. The word pleb has completely stopped any form of literary discussion, and introduced this vague notion of what is "patrician".

Anonymous Wed Jun 19 15:02:23 2013 No.3864907

>>3862709
>Are is there fucking any other significant writing happening from people under 30? Individuals or movements or whatever, but people getting published and making an impact on the culture.

DFW was the last one, literature's relevance in contemporary culture is becoming increasingly segregated into smaller and smaller subsets, it takes years between the novels like Infinite Jest, White Noise, Gravity's Rainbow etc. that transcend normal consumer boundaries, proliferating throughout intellectual culture regardless of their choice of study, almost reaching the level of exposure as the normal commercial pulp, even if not the readership. Contrast to the level of influence and spread of the film circuit, ie Tarantino, PTA, Korine; Van Sant, von Trier; they're hovering around 40/60 now but launched into mainstream influence and were at their height 20-30), or keep an eye on the growing taste for non-commercial games. Dismagazine, frieze, rhizome cover a lot of the exciting, relevant people/ideas on the art world front. The literary field is brought down by the plague of workshops and self-publication, it's not very fun to follow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 15:50:24 2013 No.3864992 File: 43 KB, 600x740, 3431193637_cc9fe045e8_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3862764 Fuuuuucckk. I need to get off /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 15:51:23 2013 No.3864995 >>3859954 >what is "normal" >what is "respectable"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 19 15:52:23 2013 No.3865003 >>3859954 >respectable People thought George Bernard Shaw was a scandalous man when he first published. You seem like you'd do well with a boring John Banville novel.

Anonymous Wed Jun 19 16:35:23 2013 No.3865110

>>3864992
You know, I was just thinking about the silliness of factdropping authors, astronauts, alexanders who achieved great things at a young age as some base motivational condolences. It's as silly as the Van Gogh/Melville artist in obscurity legend as some sort of pretentious criticism of the pretensions of art world taste. Delillo didn't start writing until he was 30, Kafka's will asked for all his work to be burnt, not published, Burroughs doesn't remember writing Naked Lunch, JD Salinger never gave interviews and Pynchon has bad teeth. So fucking what?

Anonymous Thu Jun 20 03:10:23 2013 No.3866470

>>3864907
I don't even mean books that heavy in influence; I'm not even sure (as in, I don't know) if WN and GR got that big of a reception around the time they were published.

What about at less ambitious definitions of significant - "getting talked about by a swath of major critics as Meaning Something Important About Where We Are Now," for instance, like Taipei is getting now.

Or even where Tao Lin was three years ago - getting published by real houses, at least passing critical attention, and a, for lack of a better word, underground following?

Or, to abuse misunderstandings of two great authors, if Tao Lin is our Hemingway, who's our Faulkner?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 03:58:23 2013 No.3866555 >>3865110 >http://www.suicidenote.info/ This. Stendhal started writing at 47. You can chill.

>>	Br0 !!6MVXskhR3UN Thu Jun 20 04:22:23 2013 No.3866598 >>3864907 >DIS Magazine >Frieze >Rhizome You're the first person I've ever known on here to mention anything like that. I actually worked at Frieze and interned for DIS a couple years ago...rhizome is pretty good as well

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 12:15:23 2013 No.3867541 >>3866470 Bumping for this.

Anonymous Thu Jun 20 12:23:24 2013 No.3867563

>>3866470
Society has changed so much that there will never be a Faulkner figure, or a "National voice" or a "voice of a generation".

These "voices" only exist in a society where the majority of people don't have a voice, and therefore promote those writers who speak for them.

With blogs and social media etc these days people have a voice, though they have nothing to say.

Literature is dying, and in the future, like journalism, literature will be created within certain subcultures and promoted within those cultures, rarely finding its way into the mainstream, because the mainstream will cease to exist as a single thing uniting society.

What happens when a society becomes a collection of highly individualistic people is that they will consume what is relevant to them, and that will be whatever is popular in their subculture.

We're seeing it with music and especially jouralism, and like Chuck Palahniuk said, it will happen to literature.

Also in the future books will be released for free (via kindle) since most people will have a disposable income, the payment of the author will be voluntary, with the price paid reflecting the value of the book to the reader.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 12:36:24 2013 No.3867589 >>3859636 >alt-lit More like shat-lit, nowamsayan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 12:55:23 2013 No.3867653 >>3859720 Yeah I'm Spanish too and never heard of this dude. Maybe its just the literate gitanos that like him

Anonymous Thu Jun 20 12:55:23 2013 No.3867654

>>3867563

They might emerge that way, but there's still and active and reasonably viable traditional critical apparatus. For example, again, Tao, from rando fuck self-publishing on the Internet from his university's computer lab to Vintage deal and serious, chewy reviews in stodgy papers.

What I'm saying is Tao and the alt lit crowd can't possibly be the only ones following a similar trajectory. I can't think of any other time one aesthetic and one circle has monopolized a generation's literature, or why – precisely in a time of web publishing – now would be different. At least you'd expect this other circle to have its own HTML Giant, even if they weren't getting traditional book deals.

Also, I don't think democratized social media can take the place of artistic writing. First, it's much more supplanting meatspace social interaction than pulpspace aesthetic experiences. Second, most people are very unsure of themselves, don't have that peculiar strain of cussedness and self-questioning that turns people into narrative artists, lets them frame experience in a coherent, understandable, aesthetically redemptive way. They might disgorge the feeling of a breakup online, but they'll always be looking elsewhere for someone to say something that makes sense of it. Very well might be another blog! But you can be the Tumblr Review of Blogs will come to say something about it, or at least it will get retweeted to saturation at least a few steps removed from the author's actual social circle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 13:12:28 2013 No.3867700 >>3867654 There is TAR :D

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 13:14:24 2013 No.3867705 >>3867700 Sorry, TAR?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 13:24:23 2013 No.3867732 >>3867705 Oh, April Reader. I always was under the impression it was MFA-core? Or is that the reason for the laughing face?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 13:39:28 2013 No.3867774 >>3859668 Tao-Lin doesn't even write alt-lit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 22:56:24 2013 No.3869346 >>3867732 It may be MFA-core (I'm not sure what that means), but I think the writing is distinct from altlit. The laughing face was because TAR is also not very good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 23:05:25 2013 No.3869382 >>3867774 That's a pretty alt-lit thing to do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 23:28:24 2013 No.3869453 >i was blown away - nick cave >nick cave no thanks

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 23:42:25 2013 No.3869489 so basically alt-lit is like teen-lit for kids who are cool?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 20 23:57:24 2013 No.3869529 >>3867774 What does he write then?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 00:00:24 2013 No.3869535 >>3869346 Masters of Fine Arts. Impromptu term for that academic, banal, exhausted fifteen years ago Creative Writing course style.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 00:11:24 2013 No.3869566 >>3859793 I hope I am never associated with these people

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 00:18:24 2013 No.3869582 >>3869535 I know what an MFA is, but don't several of the altlit crowd have MFAs? I just don't think MFA-core is a cohesive thing, impromptu or not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 00:50:12 2013 No.3869634 >>3869489 No. I can't see much people that read teen lit liking Tao Lin, Noah CIcero or Blake Butler

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 12:13:20 2013 No.3870690 >>3869582 I would actually be surprised if anyone in the alt-lit crowd had bothered with an MFA, unless they were trying to live off that sweet grant money.

Anonymous Fri Jun 21 13:50:26 2013 No.3870932

>>3859766
sorry guys if I´m not edgy and cool enough to know these basic things, but... alt-lit is actually a thing?? I mean, it´s not just a term used by readers when they find a book written in a style that was supposed to seem something new (and normally it´s just a first person narrator that uses short sentences and a syncopated style cause he is dumb and can´t organize more complex periods)? I mean, there are writers defining their own style alt-lit? Tao Lin is one of those?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 13:54:26 2013 No.3870942 >>3870690 I agree with this - I follow some MFA people on Tumblr and they seem to be against alt-lit in general.

Anonymous Fri Jun 21 14:07:26 2013 No.3870983

>>3866598
Can you recommend any other sources? I don't actually participate in any of the net.art/nyc/berlin scene, I just stumbled into it via twitter and I like what they're doing, just vaguely following it. I like kari altmann, timur si-qin, fatima al-qadiri. You know, like Dazed & Confused is too diluted but there's gotta be smaller outlets with even more refined taste, I don't believe frieze and dis could the brick wall of journalism/criticism in that area. What do you subscribe to?
Also, that's cool, they seem like good people. What are you up to now?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 14:09:27 2013 No.3870989 >>3870942 Who do you follow? I love stalking these kinds of people

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 14:11:26 2013 No.3870995 >Ben Brooks self-promoting again You always use the same images and nobody else thinks you're attractive, Ben.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 14:20:26 2013 No.3871015 >>3870995 ;_;

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 14:24:27 2013 No.3871021 >>3870989 adornoble.tumblr.com ghostorballoons.tumblr.com These two spring to mind, but probably more. These are their personal blogs btw. They both link to their poetry blogs on there. I really like ghostorballoons' poetry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 21 14:34:26 2013 No.3871042 >>3871021 Thank you very much! There are a lot of lit-mythology-philo obsessed tumblrs but I rarely come across people who actually produce

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 02:19:26 2013 No.3872869 Bump.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 02:33:26 2013 No.3872902 >>3871042 See also heteroglossia.tumblr.com

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