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4076634 No.4076634 [Reply] [Original]

Why doesn't the Right have an intellectual academic class of pseudo-celebrities like Chomsky or Zizek?

>> No.4076642

Their last good one died in William F. Basedly

>> No.4076643

they do, Thomas Friedman, Nail Ferguson, etc.

>> No.4076652

>>4076643
I was thinking of Ferguson, but his work seems a little more "pop analysis" (not that zizek isn't)

>> No.4076665

>>4076652
yeah his books are pop and even some are semi-respectable histories like the one he did of the rothchilds was not a farce at all...but the shit he says on tv as a talkinghead for hire is retarded...basically it's always some bullshit about how bankers need to own everything and arabs are retards, standard righty bullshit

>> No.4076690

>>4076634
Most of the right-wing intellectuals these days aren't academics, because academia won't have them.

>> No.4076691

Because nearly all the intellectuals that ever mattered were of the right.

>> No.4076706

Two things:

a) Academy has been hijacked by leftists
b) Because of this first fact, right-wing people rarely become academics

>> No.4076713

>>4076690
that's because rightwing bullshit is retarded

>> No.4076723

>>4076706
That's a fucking pathetic theory of social action, and it also isn't even a right wing one.

Fuck me you guys are cretinistic.

Where are the Hegels of today year?

>>4076690
Its because these "intellectuals" are incoherent spergelords who can't string together an argument or use methodology. Name three.

>>4076665
You walk towards camera? You lose your rights as a historian.

>>4076713
It wasn't in the 19th century.

ps: liberalism is right wing too.

>> No.4076739

>>4076706
>rightists actually believe this

>> No.4076740

>>4076723
>Name Three

Thomas Sowell, Alain de Benoist, Patrick Buchanan

>> No.4076747

>>4076740
Pat Buchanan? nga is u srs?

>> No.4076751

because the right doesn't involve a lot of thinking

>> No.4076753

>>4076723
This is not bullshit, and it isn't made up. A few weeks ago I approached a professor of mine with a project concerning law and its uses. He simply shrugged and told me that he couldn't work with me because (apparently) my views are still too much biased to right-wing liberalism.

>> No.4076754

>>4076706
it's because unlike media and politics you can't just make up lies and not suffer negative consequences for it

>> No.4076757

>>4076747
le happy troll face

>> No.4076761

>>4076747
How is Buchanan not a rightist "intellectual" psuedo-celeb?

>> No.4076783

Can you please define what you mean by Right wing here?
People today tend to use the term synonymously with classical liberalism. I don't believe traditional Right wing - maintenance of society's classes, strong belief in a benevolent feudal contract between classes, the maintenance of a state religion, and the importance of tradition - academics have ever really existed in any great number, partly because it's a political world view that's always been sceptical of academia.

If you mean classical liberalism, it's merely gone out of vogue for now. It was the dominant 'orthodoxy' for most of the 19th and early 20th century. It'll come back round again in time.

>> No.4076788

>>4076761
well yeah he's a rightist pseudo-celeb but since he was an active politician wasting countless tax payer dollars harassing clinton in the 90s i don't think he is just an "intellectual", instead of merely interpreting the world he attempted to change it lel also i saw a pic of his library once it was 90% pop world war 2 books

>> No.4076794

>>4076740
>Most of the right-wing intellectuals these days aren't academics, because academia won't have them.
>incoherent spergelords who can't string together an argument or use methodology

>Thomas Sowell
> He is currently the Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow on Public Policy at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

You're wrong.

>Alain de Benoist
> GRECE (French for "Greece") is an ethnonationalist think-tank, founded in 1968 by the journalist and writer Alain de Benoist.

Dubious on the first point, a 45 year old think tank is pretty fucking "academic."
>Benoist considers himself, however, neither left nor right-wing,
Oops. That's a fail.

>Patrick Joseph "Pat" Buchanan is an American conservative political commentator,
You've seriously got to be pushing shit down my wind pipe here. The man is definitionally incoherent and inchoate.

>> No.4076797

>>4076753
He's being methodologically honest. There are plenty of right wing liberal law scholars out there though mate. You could also read some theory of law and legal studies books in terms of methodology.

>> No.4076802

>>4076761
Nobody's been using quotes until now.

>> No.4076813

Right intellectuals are to be found in thinktanks like the Cato institute, largely attempting to provide solutions to problems instead of debate and analysis

>> No.4076825

>>4076794
>Dubious on the first point, a 45 year old think tank is pretty fucking "academic."
How does age make something academic?

>> No.4076833

>>4076813
yeah if the problem is how might the rich take the rest of the GDP from the working class

>> No.4076842

Does David Starkey count? He's a massive cunt.

>> No.4076843

>>4076833
I'm sure your professor has really opened your mind, huh?

>> No.4076847

>>4076825
Go ask oxbridge.

>>4076842
Walks towards camera

>> No.4076849

I guess Heidegger was the last right-winger celebrity philosopher.

I guess he's also an object lesson for why intellectuals shouldn't get in bed with the right.

>> No.4076854

>>4076634
Because right and academics are almost oxymorons.

>> No.4076856

>>4076847
>Walks towards camera
I'll take that as a yes.

"Black gangster culture infecting the whites caused the riots" go fuck yourself Starkey.

>> No.4076857

>>4076813
>largely attempting to provide solutions to problems instead of debate and analysis
I've interacted with people from similar institutions and I can safely assure you that the Cato Institute (and its socon and leftist analogues) are machines designed to dress up partisan rhetoric with a veneer of scientific analysis through cherry picked statistics and heaps of theory to fill in gaps.

It's easy work too, if you can break out of the intern trap

>> No.4076860

>>4076833
Well if you're going to suggest that's what they do, then you're going to have to admit that they do an absolute grand job at doing it too - which makes them intellectual heavyweights.

>> No.4076869

>>4076860
Or successful thugs. The Zetas don't all belong in Mensa, but they sure are rich.

>> No.4076875

The most right wing contemporary philosopher I've encountered is Nick Land, but he's so reactionary that the right wing of at least the American political system would be scared to endorse what he says, because he goes into a (very cogent) analysis of how democracy is inherently flawed and how classical liberalism and marxism are descended from the same genealogy, and therefor have the exact same problems.

Nick Land hi-jacked Deleuze's post-68 marxism and made it reactionary.

>> No.4076880

>>4076860
they are far more effective than the left for sure, but their research is all dishonest, i mean these are the same people who would say smoking is good for you, sure they're effective at getting the tobacco industry another decade or two of profits but all their research was intellectual dishonest

>> No.4076881

>>4076875
I don't think he's exactly right wing, though - on the same coin, you could call Deleuze, Derrida, shit, even Foucault probably, right wing, since none of them oppose capitalism and all of them believe marxism is basically part of the problem.

>> No.4076883

>2013
>right/left dichotomy

>> No.4076886

>>4076875
>democracy is inherently flawed
I think everyone once they've looked at it for too long agrees on that. The Athenians would be pissing themselves with laughter if they knew that in the future, democracies that were ostensibly derived from their political model awarded suffrage to everyone. Mind you, they'd be shitting themselves at the same time knowing that political office was given to those who campaigned for it.

>> No.4076889

>>4076880
And their net contribution to the human race is a bunch of people hacking up their lungs into paper bags in hospital waiting rooms.


Lyotard is pretty right wing. But, frankly, the mainstream political spectrum is far right of the accademic one, simply because smart people don't get on board with the level of doublethink, brutality, and self-righteousness that is ordinary politics.

>> No.4076891

>>4076706
A) Anyone who believes this has never walked through a Business/Economics/PoliSci department. Also it depends on the institution; U of Calgary is a hotbed for libertarians

Proportions of granola-types and Marxists are higher in the Fine Arts and humanities, however these departments are very good at making an impact policy-wise

B) Many institutions and institutions exist as ghettos for right wingers to give legitimacy to the paranoid delusions of flyover country corn farmers

>> No.4076892

>>4076886
>I think everyone once they've looked at it for too long agrees on that

It's still preferable to the alternatives though.

>> No.4076896

>>4076892
but...but muh philosopher kings

>> No.4076898

> Ctrl+F 'Strauss'
> No results

What.

>> No.4076901

>>4076889
>smart people don't get on board with the level of doublethink, brutality, and self-righteousness that is ordinary politics
u havin a giggle m8?

>> No.4076902

>>4076891
exactly, let's not forget Larry Summers is a "respected academic" affiliated with Harvard despite being wrong on basically all his policies which happen to be rightist

>> No.4076904

>>4076892
Ha, I said that on /vg/ once and I got the reply 'WELL OF COURSE CHURCHILL WOULD SAY THAT'

Fucking grand strategy general.

>> No.4076905

>>4076892
>It's still preferable to the alternatives though.
It could be refined though, especially in the West. Confederacies are the best way to implement democracies, yet everyone seems so intent on centralisation nowadays. Strange, really, because we have the information technology at hand to make confederacies spanning huge areas feasible.

>> No.4076907

>>4076902
fucker wasn't just affiliated with Harvard he was PRESIDENT OF HARVARD right up until he said some sexist shit about women being too stupid for science and got fired, too bad he never got fired for any of his failed economic policies

>> No.4076908

>>4076896
I'm not saying dictatorships are always inherently terrible, but people actually worthy of holding all that power are rare. Democracy is preferable to having a brilliant authoritarian leader with a horribly incompetent son that will take over after his death.

>> No.4076912

>>4076905
i say bring back the city state, nations are too fucking huge and generate hierarchies far too byzantine to be effective, if i could get permanent residency in singapore or hong kong (and american oil guzzlers weren't putting them underwater thanks to global warming) i would move there in a flash

>> No.4076914

>>4076881
that's a good point. the post-68ers have all pretty much resigned to the fact that either capitalism will have to metastasize completely before it fails, or that it simply won't fail and marxism is pretty much only useful for analysis and doesn't offer any applicable solutions.

>> No.4076916

>>4076875
Well, genealogy is inherently right wing, viewing ideas as genetic rather than socially contested.

The idea that Marxism is a bourgeois liberalism is played hard from the ultraleft too. Marx against Marx etc.

>> No.4076919

>>4076881
Deleuze, Derrida and Foucault are all right wing liberals mate.

Each smashes class organisation and proletariat consciousness.

>> No.4076920

>>4076912
I dunno, I spoke to a Singapore citizen on /int/ and he didn't seem to happy to be there.

>> No.4076924

>>4076908
I want to add that a dictator can't go running around trying to control a state all on his lonesome. He needs cronies and soldiers to enforce his edicts and carry out the day to day functions of the state.

Every government will eventually have its critics and opponents, and a dictatorship is not a dictatorship unless it can maintain its power through coercion. There are dictatorships that can manage with a minimum of violence, but the threat is always there.

>> No.4076927

>>4076920
why wasn't he happy? because he was muslim and wanted to live under an islamic government or something? fuck him, tell him to take it to some malaysian shithole

>> No.4076928

>>4076912
>generate hierarchies far too byzantine to be effective
>Singapore

...what

>> No.4076932

>>4076928
Singapore has one of the highest standards of living in South East Asia, get a clue

>> No.4076933

>>4076927
Because he couldn't vote.

>> No.4076936

>>4076933
well then he was a retard

>> No.4076945

>>4076933
When you're denied a vote by any means in a society, then it's an issue.
If there is a mechanism to achieve it, though, would those without the vote mind being denied it?
I realise mentioning Heinlein leads to nothing but spam, but his idea that citizenship should be something earned through service is a good one, provided it's open to all and can't be rigged in favour of some groups. I honestly can't see any argument against it in principle, most people seem to argue the implementation of such a system.

>> No.4076951

>>4076945
why is it an issue?

>> No.4076954

>>4076932
Yet still pretty shitty and unhappy people.

>> No.4076958

>>4076932
In spite of the Singaporean police state, which regulates the lives of the citizens it lords over to an autistic degree?

>> No.4076959

>>4076951
>why is it an issue?
>When you're denied a vote by any means

The 'by any means' part is important. It effectively curtails citizenship to a direct few. If we ignore arguments for political freedom and sufrrage for a moment, such a system will, in time, lead to stagnation, leading to decay of civil society and possibly the eventual collapse.

If you have a valve which allows those who actively wish to engage in civil society joining, you keep the system fresh.

>> No.4076960

>>4076954
> In terms of purchasing power parity, Singapore has the third-highest per capita income in the world.

> According to the Corruption Perceptions Index, Singapore is consistently ranked as one of the least corrupt countries in the world, along with New Zealand and the Scandinavian countries.

>> No.4076964

>>4076958
so New York City has as much of a police state as Singapore and no one (except black people) complains about it

>> No.4076965

>>4076958
They keep the city of free of degeneracy. Better than in the West, where fucking marijuana is about to be legalized.

>> No.4076967

>>4076959
what makes you think Democracy doesn't lead to collapse? All the Western democracies are looking pretty fucking creaky right about now and don't even get started on the corrupt cesspit that is India.

>> No.4076969

>>4076856
>implying black culture isn't the pinnacle of anti-intellectualism

>> No.4076976

>>4076919
This is a joke.

No, really. I laughed.

>> No.4076981

>>4076976
well they all seem committed to smashing the solidarity of working class

>> No.4076982

>>4076907
>sexist
Doesn't make what he said any less true though, which was just that women have a smaller standard deviation when it comes to intelligence.

>> No.4076985

>>4076960
>>4076964
>>4076965
- The ruling PAP has been in power through a cocktail of electoral shenanigans, press censorship, and suppression of dissent
- Anyone talking about race or anything else that's taboo gets harsh penalties (including jail sentences for making /pol/-style blog posts)

Willing to trade liberty for security, are we?

>> No.4076991

>>4076982
if it's true or not isn't the issue i'm just saying sexism is a rightwing idea and he his it's leading spokeperson and also a respected northeastern establishment academic, so they theory that academia is filled with freaky marxists is just a foxnews urban legend...for a brief period after world war 2 when a bunch of proletarian stiffs got to attend college on the g.i. bill it produced a lot of leftwing professors but as they retire and die off and education costs go into the stratosphere and become unaffordable to workers academia will once again become the domain of the right

>> No.4076993

>>4076985
Anyone making /pol/-style blog posts outside of America without a VPN is an unsalvageable idiot anyway.

>> No.4076995

>>4076976
Deadly serious. Post-modernism is intensely right wing.

>> No.4076996

>>4076985
> singapore throws racists and islamic extremists in prison

too bad america doesn't do that, i'd love to see david duke and lious farrakhan in the slammer

>> No.4077002

>>4076993
>Anyone making /pol/-style blog posts is an unsalvageable idiot anyway.

fixed

>> No.4077004

>>4076985
this is hilarious, this guy argues in favor of universal suffrage in order to make it easier to pass racist laws! nice logic retard!

>> No.4077008

>>4076991
>express right wing idea about gender
>get fired
The only subject where right wing views are the norm is economics and political science. Express right wing views outside of those fields and your career in academia is fucked.

>> No.4077011

>>4076969
Which one?

>> No.4077048

>>4077008
Summers also fucked over Harvard big time with a bunch of shitty swaps that cost the university big time when they blew up in the credit crunch

>>4076993
Here's an example where a cartoonist nearly got thrown in the slammer for expressing his opinions in a peaceful manner. I'm sure America would be much better off if courts were allowed to make people apologize for having views!
http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/2013/08/06/singapore-cartoonist-apologizes-for-court-lampoon/

>> No.4077084

>>4076904
I love that place. Its like a certain kind of game attracts a certain kind of person, and /gsg/ just becomes a forum for historically and politically inclined, in amazing glory.

>> No.4077106

Read:
The Mass Psychology of Facism by Wilhelm Reich

The name that dare not be spoke on /lit/

givne the nature of "right wingers" they probably wouldn't invest much time talking about social issues, unless they are an economist or some sort, or maybe a general.

I assume all the right wingers would rather make money than argue, so they go into the sciences and maths. Then you have the religious fundamentals.

WHICH NO ONE ON THIS BOARD MENTIONS.
Im sure some of the christian apologetics were probably right wingers.

Im gonna say the vienna circle were right wing because a name like that....

>> No.4077684

Cause they are occupied maintaining the state of things that allows this jerks to babble as if they were doing something.

>> No.4077730
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4077730

>>4076739

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHyvRHrYYBA

>> No.4077759

Because they don't believe in academia.

They prefer indoctrination (learn the rules and "how it's done around here") and preparing young people for the work force rather than actually educating people.

The right generally doesnt have any use for the humanities or subculture or the million little areas of expertise that are associated with a large portion of higher education

This isnt a judgement on my part; I actually think that both sides of this ideology are important to society. We need members who are willing to tow the line and dig the ditches, but we also need individuals to paint the caves. Both hands wash the face

>> No.4077772

>>4077106
>The Mass Psychology of Fascism[4] (German: Die Massenpsychologie des Faschismus) is a 1933 book by Wilhelm Reich. It explores how fascists come into power, and explains their rise as a symptom of sexual repression
>sexual repression
I... what

>> No.4077774

>>4077772
Psychoanalysis is a hell of a drug.

>> No.4077780

>>4076706

Depends on the department. Liberal arts/humanities? Lefty as you get. Econ, business? Rightwing as hell.

Even in STEM the distinction exists. Engineers tend to be pretty right-leaning. The pure science types tend to be more to the left.

>> No.4077785

>>4077780
>The pure science types tend to be more to the left.

That's really because pure science types are concerned only with getting more grant money and more public dollars for their academic fields.

>> No.4078048

Basically, the reason why anybody in accademia who isn't industry-facing is left-wing is because capitalism is shit for non-directly profitable accademics.

You're trying to study things that are both interesting and important, and some dickbag bureacrat is always on your ass asking you to justify what you're doing in terms of saleabillity.

There's nothing more annoying than having to explain, on their terms, why string theory is just as important as a way to make cheaper ice-cream, novelty toothpaste, or low-platinum car exhaust cleaners.

>> No.4078049

>>4077759
Dude, right-wingers don't dig the ditches. They sit around getting other people to dig the ditches.

>> No.4078160

>>4077084
I think it's shit. Historically and politically inclined doesn't mean shit if you don't know anything about history and politics. That political cartoon of Saladin fucking his child wife in 1099 someone posted a while ago was factually wrong on so many levels.

>> No.4078234

>>4077780
>Econ, business? Rightwing as hell.
wat

Some of the greatest economists who have ever lived, including many brilliant ones currently in academia are left-leaning.

Also business doesn't count since it isn't purely academic, being far more akin to the trades in many respects.

>> No.4078242

>>4078049
Obviously you've never visited a flyover state.

>> No.4078267

>>4076634
chomsky and zizek, celebrities in general, are for girls who have grown out of the backstreet boys.

>> No.4078274

Milton Friedman, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Rosoevelt (more in the middle)

>> No.4078278

>>4076802
1) To call Buch an intellectual is beyond generous, making the quotation marks appropriate.
2) Your claim is factually wrong.

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4078284

>>4078267
>being a sexist
>being a rightist

Yep.

>> No.4078295

>>4078284

lol that picture just makes me wonder why the artist was so scared of firearms

also
>rightest
is that a "thing"

>> No.4078315

>>4078284
Not at all. I am grill myself, and a leftist as well. And I have visited all the various peace study classes out of curiosity and I have realized they don't actually study anything. It's a nun cloister for people who think that wife and mother is, in fact, a career. If they are left-wing feminists then Hitler was too.

>> No.4078316

>>4078284
Why does rightist sound so ridiculous in comparison with leftist? Is it because it's never used?

>> No.4078321

>>4078284
These people have been part of 4chan forever.

>> No.4078326 [DELETED] 

>>4078321
>These people have been part of 4chan forever.
You mean the Jews? The only things all those academic idols have in common is that they want to gas the Jews. Take Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Solomon Mearsheimer, Kevin B. Macdonald, Edward Said, Judith Butler, Tariq Ali...

>> No.4078328 [DELETED] 

>>4077772
typical jew talk

>> No.4078331

>>4078321
>These people have been part of 4chan forever.
You mean the Jews? The only things all those academic idols have in common is that they want to gas the Jews. Take Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, John Mearsheimer, Kevin B. Macdonald, Edward Said, Tom Metzger, Judith Butler, Don Black, Tariq Ali etc etc etc...

>> No.4078340

>>4077106
If you read Reich read something else. This man could cure cancer! Why would you want his hippie drivel on how everyone is "fascist" except all the most fashionable kids on the block?