/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4313020]

Which writers were omega or at least very beta males?

[Anonymous No.4313051]

>>4313020
he was a fag what are you talking about

are you trying to say that he was never a fag, but people consider him one because he never got a gf, so he was so omega that everyone thought of him as gay?

[« 零 » !Ry9ZOO5Ag. No.4313045]

THE CATEGORIZATION OF MALES AS "ALPHA", OR "BETA", IS A SPURIOUS ONE; IT IS AN ATAVISM OF PALEOLITHIC SOCIETIES.

[Anonymous No.4313057]

>>4313051
One can be a fag and omega.

[Anonymous No.4313064]

>>4313045
You should really get your austism treated.

[Anonymous No.4313066]

Turgenev

he was afraid of his mother his whole life and lived in a love triangle with some french actor and her husband. Read First Love, specifically the scenes with Zinaida and you'll see the kind of women Turgenev was surrounded by

[Anonymous No.4313111]

beta of the millenium
in search of lost time barely scratches the surface of his issues

[Anonymous No.4313116]

>>4313111
Translate?

Also, Schopenhauer was beta later in life.

THat grape story still makes me cringe

[Anonymous No.4313125]

>>4313116
i took this from /lit/
he's asking his grandfather for 10 francs. his father had previously given him that same amount of money in order to go to a brothel because he wanted him to stop masturbating so much. he then explains that he was so awkward he dropped his spaghetti and broke a vase in the brothel, however he still wants to fuck and needs 10 more francs.
this would make a perfect greentext story

[Anonymous No.4313128]

Proust, Kafka, Lautreamond (Ducasse), Dazai.

>>4313066
if Turgenev was beta, then that would make Tolstoy and Dostoevsky freaking omegas.

[Anonymous No.4313138]

>>4313128
lautreamont was definitely a nerd but he wasn't especially beta

blaise pascal is a typical omega tho

[Anonymous No.4313159]

wasn't kant a virgin his whole life

[Anonymous No.4313167]

Finally, there was the stunning and brilliant social lioness Flora Weiss. A Jewess. Schopenhauer was a declared anti-Semite but when he saw her at a boat party on the Rhine he approached her with a cluster of grapes in order to introduce himself. Flora found him to be “a porcupine of a man” and was offended by his foul breath. After she accepted the grapes, when Schopenhauer was not looking, she tossed them overboard, concerned that he had touched them. She did not want to catch any of his afflictions.

Arthur Schopenhauer finished off the lukewarm dregs of his cider and concluded that he ought to hang himself when the weather was foul,
and from a sour apple tree at that. Such exit from this cruel world would express divine symmetry.

[Anonymous No.4313180]

>>4313159
how dare you, he was keeping himself for the right woman

[Anonymous No.4313190]

>>4313125
haha thanks man

[Anonymous No.4313184]

>>4313180
Yeah, sure. Just like Newton was...

[Anonymous No.4313200]

>>4313128
Tolstoy, especially in his younger years, was anything but the saint he's remembered as and isn't omega at all. He routinely fell to fits of passion in dealing with others, he famously gambled away his estate, and lived a life of youthful recklessness until his early adulthood. There's a story of one of Tolstoy's daughters bringing him a wounded rabbit crying for him to do something. In response, he took the animal and snapped its neck in front of her. He fell out with Turgenev as a young man, and tried to reconcile with him once his religious conversion happened. This change of heart lasted until Turgenev beat him in a game of checkers, after which Tolstoy once again held a grudge that he held until his death.

Dostoevsky was a lifelong gambling addict who borrowed money shamelessly from everyone he knew. He was notoriously brash and hard to deal with. Once, he borrowed money from Turgenev himself, but became so bitter when Turgenev gave it to him (he thought Turgenev was giving him charity) that he modeled an buffoonish author obsessed with cosmopolitan life in The Double on Turgenev.

Turgenev is one of the best authors Russia has produced, but he has been the punching bag of everything since forever. Even now, he's faded into obscurity to the general reading public while Tolstoy and Dosty are considered the hallmark of Russian lit despite the fact that he came before either of them and influenced them both

[Anonymous No.4313206]

MAUPASSANT, George Sand, Kurt Vonnecunt Jr. (Failed to kill himself 4+ times, couldn't make the Big D work on his favor), van Goh (sadly)

[Anonymous No.4313211]

>>4313159
>>4313180
>Kant
LOLOLOL I can't

[Anonymous No.4313215]

>>4313211
>You can't can-can, Kant...

[Anonymous No.4313220]

I think Bukowski was beta until he fucked a fat whore and became something of a philanderer

[Anonymous No.4313232]

>>4313215
Oh stop it you rogue, with your cheeky cant

[Anonymous No.4313261]

>>4313206
> george sand
> beta
> male

[Anonymous No.4313286]

>>4313206
>maupassant
>saved swinburne from drowning
>fucked multiple women
>went to war
>beta

[Anonymous No.4313288]

>>4313261
yeah i heard he was a real chauvinist too.

[Anonymous No.4313292]

>>4313232
U r a cunt, cunt

[Anonymous No.4313295]

>>4313020
Borges was a almost delta

[Anonymous No.4313298]

>>4313020
>tfw Franz Kafka has had more sex than you.

[Anonymous No.4313299]

>>4313295
nigga literally covered the mirrors in his house b/c he couldn't stand the sight of himself.

[Anonymous No.4313300]

Nietzsche was a huge beta. He knew it though, he really didn't want to be. He just wasn't mentally capable/healthy enough to not be.

[Anonymous No.4313301]

>>4313295

r tey hurtin him?

[Anonymous No.4313302]

>>4313295
>Multiple wives
>Multiple divorces
>Surrounded by groupies most of the time.
Keep playing...

[Anonymous No.4313303]

[Anonymous No.4313305]

>>4313020
the /pol/ and /fit/ invasion would lead to more diversity of thought they said...

[Anonymous No.4313311]

>>4313300
The guy was obsessed with Lou Marie Salome. Is not that he was crazy, but he was obsessed with perfection, and when he saw Salome for the first time he knew that he had found perfection.

[Anonymous No.4313317]

Marcel Proust was super gay (is the name of my new EP)

[Anonymous No.4313334]

>"I want a cup of coffee," I said, because it was the last thing in the world that I wanted.
>I said it in such a way that it sounded as if I were reading her a telegram from somebody else, a person who really wanted a cup of coffee, who cared about nothing else.


brautigan. lots of tail, but so lonely he put his home phone number on his albums with requests to call him any time.

[Anonymous No.4313365]

Me when I become famous.

[Anonymous No.4313371]

>>4313334
great author, so rarely mentioned on /lit/

[Anonymous No.4313374]

>>4313371
he rarely gets mentioned because there's nothing to say about him

also because /lit/ is awful now

[Anonymous No.4313510]

>>4313365
this

[ryan !bezImNPI/g No.4313525]

No writers are beta. All writers must reference some sort of experience in their lives. They must be courageous and valiant.

If you aren't you will only write from a beta standpoint. Beta's live in a different plain of existence from normal people. Enjoy catering to an audience of only beta's, and thus to an audience of literally zero because beta's are unable to appreciate serious literature.

Better off doing fanfiction.

[Anonymous No.4313735]

>>4313525
this is some fuckin bait

[Anonymous No.4313766]

>>4313525
>>4313735
I believe he's right. Cowardliness is a moral failure, I don't mean to make people feel bad, I'm not talking about cowardliness in the typical sense (anxiety, et cetera) but the unwillingness to do something new or do something good.

[Anonymous No.4313940]

>>4313020
nietzsche was pretty beta

[Anonymous No.4313958]

>>4313020
How has no one mentioned Lovecraft?

He's like the first modern beta.

[Anonymous No.4314038]

>>4313940
Nietzsche was alpha
He was extremely ill and instead of going full "put the blame on someone else" mode he just accepted that pain was a part of life and embraced it.
I bet that if you started suffering what Nietzsche suffered you would waste your life complaining

[Anonymous No.4314062]

>>4314038
being alpha or beta has nothing to do with embracing the pain, it is all about your social status.

[Anonymous No.4314073]

>>4314062

I have never thought of mother teresa as alpha before, thank you.

[Anonymous No.4314088]

>>4314062

maybe that's what the modern day fratboy usage means, but it really shouldn't simply equate to "lel i fuck bitch"

I find it odd how our apparent superiority is determined by our ability to impress people who we think are inferior to us (let's be honest, even normalfag males think women are inferior)

[Anonymous No.4314090]

>>4314073
very funny, you know exactly what I mean. A man's social standing and his aptitude for leadership decides if he is an alpha or not

[Anonymous No.4314094]

Dazai watched his own wife get dicked
Pessoa biggest wuss ever
There are too many to name
Writers are the guys that don't get invited to the party, that don't get the girl, pick up a pen and say 'this'll show 'em!'

[Anonymous No.4314100]

>>4314090

Kind of like a dog can be alpha amongst dogs?

I think N. would be fine.

[Anonymous No.4314108]

>>4314094

Do they stab people with the pens or is it for comfort because they're writers and the pens remind them of better times? Who watched them pick up the pens?

Who are dazai and pessoa?

[Anonymous No.4314165]

>>4313125
He also masturbated to rats fighting and died in part because he stayed cooped up in his poorly-ventilated room all day.

Proust was the alpha omega.

[Anonymous No.4314169]

>>4314094
Wait, I thought Dazai's wife just cheated on him, which he translated within the book into watching her being raped. Did he actually see her fucking his friend?

[Anonymous No.4314223]

This asshole was a HUGE beta male. There's a part in Portrait where he's giving the metaphorical equivalent of a blowjob to Thomas Aquinas (as usual) to one of his Gaelic asshole friends, some girl passes him and he starts getting all bent out of sorts. He's basically saying AWWW WHY CAN'T I TALK TO HER after that. Definitely an interesting proto version of The Beta.

And then he frequented brothels a lot.

But then he met Nora Barnacle WAY later and one of the first times they got to know eachother she went sex crazy all over him because she was an unintelligent barmaid. Really great conclusion to his beta male saga.

[Anonymous No.4314603]

>>4314169
She's 17, his wife and I think he watches her through the sunroof getting ploughed, but is it rape? She didn't seem to put up a fight and was kind of guilty about it afterwards. So who knows.

[Anonymous No.4314606]

>>4313020
A better question is, are there any alpha writers. Henry Miller probly, Kerouac maybe. Byron

[Anonymous No.4314623]

>>4313116
I appeal to your kindness for the sum of 13 francs that I wished to ask Mr. Nathan for, but which Mama prefers I request from you. Here is why. I so needed to see if a woman could stop my awful masturbation habit that Papa gave me 10 francs to go to a brothel. But first, in my agitation, I broke a chamber pot: 3 francs; then, still agitated, I was unable to screw. So here I am, back to square one, waiting more and more as hours pass for 10 francs to relieve myself, plus 3 francs for the pot. But I dare not ask Papa for more money so soon and so I hoped you could come to my aid in a circumstance which, as you know, is not merely exceptional but also unique. It cannot happen twice in one lifetime that a person is too flustered to screw.

I kiss you a thousand times and dare to thank you in advance.

I will be home tomorrow morning at 11am. If you are moved by my situation and can answer my prayers, I will hopefully find you with the amount. Regardless, thank you for your decision which I know will come from a place of friendship.

[Anonymous No.4314628]

>>4313020
Yeah but both his folks were dead before he was 30 and he inherited 6 million francs. That's when he blinged out his Model T, flash as suits and tipped everyone 200%, pretty fly for a gay.

[Anonymous No.4314630]

>>4314606
Shakespeare, Homer, Shelley

[Anonymous No.4314643]

>>4314606
Miller was practically a masochist with women. June was a bisexual coked up whore who moved her lesbian lover in with her and Henry. Anais would seduce anyone including her own father but for all their soul mate talk, she opted to stay with her banker husband who financed all of their lifestyles.
Near the end of his life he wound up with some 2nd rate actress. She would take off her robe and let him look at her naked from time to time but saved the pussy for the real boyfriend. There was also some Japanese woman who would just take his money and call him "poor foolish Henry" openly to his face. He was only alpha when he had money for whores and could go several different ones in a row. And getting Anais to give him money for a whore was pretty alpha.

[Anonymous No.4314659]

>>4314643
It's more than girls though, you read his stuff and he's friends with everyone, talks his way into a boss job at a telegram place.

[Anonymous No.4314665]

>>4313128
>Dazai
You mean the guy who was getting pussy before he was even old enough to consent to it?
He was fucked up, but hardly beta. I'd argue Mishima was more so .

[Anonymous No.4314677]

>>4314094
I thought Dazai's wife got raped and he dumped her because of it. Thats about as alpha as it gets.

[Anonymous No.4314709]

strindberg was a fucking alpha

[Anonymous No.4314712]

>>4314709
>devoting years to alchemy
>chemicals made him demented
>shut in elderly not answering his front door

alpha as phuk

[Anonymous No.4314723]

Although not a writer per se, Wittgenstein was the king of the autistic type of betas

[Anonymous No.4314727]

nietzsche was beta as fuck in reality so he compensated by being the edgiest philosopher ever. the conflict between your actual and ideal self, exacerbated by his obvious narcissistic personality disorder.

[Anonymous No.4314798]

Not necessarily beta, but surely cringe inducing Nikolay Gumilev:

>he fell in love with a non-existent woman Cherubina de Gabriak. It turned out that Cherubina de Gabriak was the literary pseudonym for two people, a disabled schoolteacher and Maximilian Voloshin, and on November 22, 1909 he had a duel with Voloshin over the affair.

[Anonymous No.4314803]

>>4314798
pt.2:

>Nikolai Gumilyov was outraged by the thought that his passionate romantic correspondence might in fact have been with a mocking Maximilian Voloshin. Even so, Dmitrieva claimed that she had written the letters to Gumilyov herself, had indeed been in love, but had known the romance would end the moment Gumilyov saw her.

Gumilyov talked in public about his romantic affair with Dmitrieva and he did it in rather rude expressions, and on November 19, 1909, at the studio of artist Ivan Bilibin, Voloshin slapped Gumilyov across the face,[1] which by the customs of the time made a duel inevitable. The duel took place on November 22 on the banks of the Chernaya River, which had been the site of the fatal duel between Alexander Pushkin and Georges d'Anthès. Voloshin's seconds were Aleksei Nikolaevich Tolstoi and Count Shervashidze; Gumilyov's seconds were Mikhail Kuzmin and Eugene Znosko-Borovsky.

Gumilyov shot first, but missed. Voloshin's pistol misfired. He proposed to end the duel, but Gumilyov insisted that Voloshin has to shoot. Voloshin shot in the air, being afraid to kill Gumilyov. Later, Voloshin confessed that he simply didn't know how to shoot. The seconds offered that they shake hands, but both refused. All contacts between them were broken off until a few months before Gumilyov's death in 1921, when he visited Voloshin and restored their friendship.

[Anonymous No.4314851]

>>4313317
Milo?

[Anonymous No.4315177]

>>4314665
I'm talking about the guy who was abused by his family, couldn't fit anywhere, suffered from it, committed like 2 or 3 attempted suicides.

All the insane bipolar stuff he does in No Longer Human comes from his β-ness. He's a fucking clown and he doesn't like being alive.

That's pretty beta to me.

[Anonymous No.4315194]

>>4313111
>Zut alors!

[Anonymous No.4315201]

>>4313958
At least he got married and... maybe had sex? He managed to attract a woman at least.

[Anonymous No.4315209]

>>4314062
That's what rich boys want to believe
There were actually few alpha kings or presidents. A pussy can totally become CEO because daddy let him

[Anonymous No.4315236]

>>4313311
He wanted an independent strong womyn even despite his claims that he hates feminists. Freddy was a fucking clown.

[Anonymous No.4315258]

>>4313220
he also dated some no-neck with a crooked head, too. like coney island-tier deformities.

also, that whore you're talking about: he couldnt find his wallet when it came time to pay her, so he told the fat bitch she was a dirty theif and she'd better hit the fuckin' road. later he found his wallet under the bed and cried about being mean to the whore.

[Anonymous No.4315264]

>>4315258
oh, and he literally married and had children with this billy goat of a woman

[Anonymous No.4315358]

>>4313045

Omega walking.

[Anonymous No.4315432]

Hemingway
(literal faggot, try hard, like the way black people react to a dicksuckfag and is flaming gay: Ex. "Get the fuck out of sight, faggot."

Fitzgerald
(whiny faggot, like sensitive emo fag we're familiar with now: Ex. "Man, nigga, you gay.")

[Anonymous No.4315456]

>>4315177
I don't know, I had a friend like that (bad depression all his life, lost his virginity when he was like ten, abused drugs and alcohol since he was like 9 or some shit, spent most of his time as a reclusive neet) yet was alpha as fuck (always dominated social groups, could have sex with most girls he wanted to). Why not Dazai? Being messed in the head doesn't make someone beta.

[Anonymous No.4316058]

Guys I hear there is a cool new board called /r9k/! Their discussions of feels and alpha males and feels when and betas and omegas and feels when no qt3.14gfasianfeels are even more engrossing than /lit/! Migrate now!

[Anonymous No.4316149]

>>4314223
>"My sweet little whorish Nora I did as you told me, you dirty little girl, and pulled myself off twice when I read your letter. I am delighted to see that you do like being fucked arseways. Yes, now I can remember that night when I fucked you for so long backwards. It was the dirtiest fucking I ever gave you, darling. My prick was stuck in you for hours, fucking in and out under your upturned rump. I felt your fat sweaty buttocks under my belly and saw your flushed face and mad eyes. At every fuck I gave you your shameless tongue came bursting out through your lips and if a gave you a bigger stronger fuck than usual, fat dirty farts came spluttering out of your backside. You had an arse full of farts that night, darling, and I fucked them out of you, big fat fellows, long windy ones, quick little merry cracks and a lot of tiny little naughty farties ending in a long gush from your hole."
>implying beta

[Anonymous No.4316155]

>>4313159
Kant is often seen as a saint but in his younger years he was with a few women and there are stories where he got drunk and couldn't find his way back home. It was the old Kant who became such a sperglord by compulsively following the same routine every day

[Anonymous No.4316920]

How did great authors cope with ending a relationship ? I know that formulated like this, the question seems very vague but maybe you could share some anecdotes and etc. to help me overcome this pain.

[Anonymous No.4316974]

>>4316920

I had to deal with the pain of not only the end of my relationship but the end of my life as i knew it. I got locked up in jail now after being released my whole life has changed. I had an extreme amount of pain because of guilt and i was having a hard time dealing with loss. But I'm reading a book by Pema Chodron called When Things Fall Apart. It basically says to not attach yourself to anything/anybody. Just let go. Life is always changing and it is our grasping of things or people that bring suffering to us. Its not easy. I still wake up with guilt and pain but i embrace thse feelings and then let go.

[Anonymous No.4316982]

>>4316149
you didn't read what I said but I'll elaborate to get my point across. She opened the gates of his sexuality and it was a match made in heaven. Before that, Joyce just loved to be a dirty little dweeb because in catholic ireland that was an act of rebellion in itself. It began with prostitutes and he was a massive pussy about it, though, for years. He came across Nora who was a bad girl from the start, and she loved owning her sexuality too. Match made in heaven ba dum psh

[Anonymous No.4316991]

>>4316155
old kant wasn't actually a sperglord either lol. he was apparently a pretty cool teacher and a sociable and funny fellow.

he just didn't like to be late for shit, i guess.

[Anonymous No.4317024]

>>4316974
>great authors
>I