/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4565208]

authors to follow on twitter?

[Anonymous No.4565210]

Fire Joyce Carol Oates into the sun

[Anonymous No.4565212]

https://twitter.com/JoyceCarolOates/status/433248848178204672

Still can't comprehend why the Danish zoo killed the beautiful young healthy giraffe. Yes, they had "reasons"--so did Nazi doctors.

[Anonymous No.4565214]

Sire Joyce Carol Oates into the fun

[Anonymous No.4565215]

>>4565208
Not Oates, but because she's dumb, not because of any antifeminist drivel /pol/ thinks passes as a thought.

[Anonymous No.4565217]

tao lin

[Anonymous No.4565220]

>>4565217
Tao Lin @tao_lin Feb 10
Does anyone imagine themselves tickling their parents

[Anonymous No.4565242]

Oates is a fucking embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.4565247]

tao lin is goat

>The distracting feeling of disbelief when you're finally doing something you've procrastinated on for notable amounts of time

>Ted talk 'I Can Draw Anything' in which I continuously, openly lie about how I can draw absolutely anything (but in a convincing manner)

>How many of u ppl wld actually tell ppl & insist on it until u died if u definitely saw lasagna flying around your room at night one night

[Anonymous No.4565253]

I actually stopped following Oates because of all the broad generalizations she makes about people from the south. She seems to have a need to be condescending. Plus, she's only a mediocre writer at best.

[Anonymous No.4565255]

>>4565208
No, no contradiction, unless Nabokov's Lolita was inspired by true actions carried out by the author.

Come on, let's make our own Oatifications:
"Though many people denounce the usage of firearms, very likely many of those denouncers greatly admire Schwarzenegger's "Commando". No contradiction?"

[Anonymous No.4565262]

i wonder what David Foster Wallace would have tweeted?

[Anonymous No.4565276]

>Though many people denounce the usage of death camps to gas Jews, very likely many of those denouncers greatly admire Friedrich Nietzsche. No contradiction?

[Anonymous No.4565280]

>>4565255
Namefig.

[Anonymous No.4565289]

>>4565262
No doubt something quirky and übersincere.

And for every initial tweet he'd write twenty deconstructive footnote-tweets.

[Anonymous No.4565299]

>>4565262
he would have been too smart and modest to get involved with that shit

plus he would never be able to work within the format

[Anonymous No.4565303]

This is why I unreservedly love Twitter and think it is the greatest thing to happen to writing since, hell, writing itself. Just look at how fucking stupid and illiterate this woman is, and she's made a living as an author for multiple decades. Success in our society isn't limited by some kind of magical test of greatness you have to take: it's totally open to, and will gladly be seized by, people who are every bit as retarded as you or I. And Twitter is where the "cultural elite" get to reveal this to the hoi polloi through posting what is essentially, though dolled up in writing and grammar and computer networking, the babble of a brain-damaged ape.

[Anonymous No.4565315]

>>4565303

>cultural elite

[Anonymous No.4565321]

>>4565208
But the girl she is referring to was 19 when they started their relationship.....how does that and lolita compare? Also is she suggesting that readers should only admire/read books that have morally upright characters in them?

[Anonymous No.4565347]

>>4565303

This is why I unreservedly love 4chan, especially /lit/. NEET faggots without an ounce of credibility or accomplishment can take potshots at esteemed authors and pretend literary accolades aren't earned or desired through posting anonymously what is essentially, though dolled up in bullshit philosophy and chanspeak, the babble of an anhedonic poseur.

tl;dr
Oates would wipe the floor with you intellectually.

[Anonymous No.4565349]

>>4565208

Oates discredited herself when she whined about Zimmerman.

Anyone with a brain and who actually followed the trial couldn't do anything but defend Zimmerman.

Now she's suggesting you're a pedo if you read Lolita.

How fucking moronic is the skinny bitch?

[Anonymous No.4565354]

>>4565315

"cultural elite"

[Anonymous No.4565358]

>>4565315

King is a most modest man. Seriously, he's a complete bro and I can never say anything bad about him ever again, not after reading his On Writing and many of his short stories.

He has a great attitude and we would all benefit from learning from him.

[Anonymous No.4565363]

>>4565321

No no, this isn't about Woody Allen ditching his old and busted girlfriend for her 19-year-old adopted daughter, this is about Woody Allen raping his old and busted girlfriend's 7-year-old actual daughter. Try to keep up, I know it can be hard to remember all the different little girls Woody Allen has fucked.

[Anonymous No.4565375]

>>4565363
Ah. My mistake

[Anonymous No.4565380]

>>4565349
Zimmerman shot an innocent kid.

[Anonymous No.4565385]

>>4565347

But that's just my point. Credibility and accomplishment don't mean shit fuck all. Your notion that Oates MUST have some kind of intellectual advantage over a poster on 4chan just because she's got tenure and said poster on 4chan presumably doesn't is the exact same flavor of bullshit as "you reap what you sow". Glancing down Oates' twitter page there is nothing to separate her from any internet faggot with literary pretensions. That's what's great about it. It's the demystification of success, the making-obvious of the principle that accolades do not in themselves confer worth.

[Anonymous No.4565388]

>>4565380
Don't.

[Anonymous No.4565391]

>>4565255
>"Though many people denounce murder, very likely many of those denouncers greatly admire Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction". No contradiction?"

[Anonymous No.4565402]

>>4565391
>''Though many people denounce capital punishment, very likely many of those denouncers greatly admire Darabont's ''The Green Mile''. No contradiction?''

[Anonymous No.4565403]

>>4565347
>So profound

[Anonymous No.4565406]

>>4565391

Have you ever read Joyce Carol Oates? Her writing is very violent.

[Anonymous No.4565412]

>>4565380
>innocent

Yeah, nah.

[Anonymous No.4565415]

>>4565385
Okay but Oates is the one who's a career writer and esteemed, and none of us are.

[Anonymous No.4565416]

>>4565385
success is a matter of percentages anyway
if you are, *on average*, 1% more capable than your peers, over time you'll rise to the top

1% is 1%, but it's still 1%
ya dig

[Anonymous No.4565420]

Always did have her pegged for a little Philistine cunt.

[Anonymous No.4565428]

>>4565420
yeah, her books are trash

[Anonymous No.4565425]

>>4565415
That's exactly the point he's making: you can be a published and critically acclaimed writer and still a pleb who doesn't understand Lolita

[Anonymous No.4565433]

joyce carol oates doesn't understand the point of the 140 character limitation and goes on these huge multiple post rants every now and again
it's pretty annoying but also kind of amusing so i keep her

[Anonymous No.4565434]

>>4565415
If someone that stupid is "esteemed" I wouldn't pay any attention to whoever gave her a pass.

[Anonymous No.4565441]

Why do people try so hard to sound smart? That's why books are going the way or the dinosaurs.

[Anonymous No.4565448]

>>4565441
Most of best authors we know wrote in antiquated English, so now everyone associates smarts with big long words instead of the concepts being communicated.

tl;dr pop culture is cancer

[Anonymous No.4565457]

>>4565441

There's an extent to which big fancy words are required to discuss big fancy concepts. The reason why Kant or Heidegger are incredibly dense and verbose is because they try to get at things that could barely be touched by language as they knew it. Unfortunately this leads people without any good ideas to assume that density and verbosity are what makes a piece of writing important. And if you wrote something important, you might receive acclaim which you could turn into food on the table...

[Anonymous No.4565466]

>>4565441
This is why I dislike so many of the post-modernists. After seeing Stoner recommended on here so many times, I finally gave in and read it. It was truly refreshing to read such an unpretentious work of fiction. I could see how, given the university setting, a writer might be likely to show off, but not John Williams. His writing was simple and clear throughout the entire story. I don't mean to suggest that everyone should emulate Hemingway's writing, but sometime within the last century, a great many writers seemed to forget why anyone would write fiction in the first place. It's not a competition to prove your intelligence, as DFW and Franzen seem to think.

[Anonymous No.4565470]

>>4565466
you've never read franzen have you

[Anonymous No.4565481]

>>4565466
>It's not a competition to prove your intelligence, as DFW and Franzen seem to think.

but they think the exact opposite.

[Anonymous No.4565486]

>>4565481

to be more specific, DFW used to think that it was about showing off, but then we wanted to be more moral about his writing.

also you can read franzen's horrible essay on william gaddis to see his views.

[Anonymous No.4565490]

>>4565466
>talking about writers you've never read

cancer

[Anonymous No.4565498]

>>4565215
>not because of any antifeminist drivel
Why do you think you feel the need to clarify your Party allegiance?

[Anonymous No.4565513]

>>4565486

Ha ha oh wow this is awful.

>Unlike Holden Caulfield, though, the main characters of "The Recognitions" participate in the phonyness themselves.

[Anonymous No.4565517]

>>4565466

I agree. I hate shitty writers like Cormac McCarthy who think style is archaic diction and a lack of punctuation.

[Anonymous No.4565525]

>>4565466
>>4565457
No good prose is simple. I remember Nabokov deriding his students whenever they would describe Flaubert's prose as 'simple'.

In a way this ties in with those people who think that 'style' is synonymous with 'purple prose', which is untrue. Hemingway had style, and there was nothing simple about his writing. If anything, it was even more masterful and complicated, because he could summon such a range of feelings with such a constricted vocabulary.

William Buckley was right when he said that every word that exists was invented for a reason. Sometimes those twelve dollar words are necessary.

[Anonymous No.4565541]

>>4565525

Any prose that isn't 'workman-like' is purple.

[Anonymous No.4565551]

>>4565315
Fuck, this made me laugh out loud while I was waiting for class to begin

[Anonymous No.4565561]

>>4565466
>I've never read DFW or Franzen, but DFW wrote long books and /lit/ doesn't care for Franzen so here I go

[Anonymous No.4565614]

>>4565466
>This is why I dislike so many of the post-modernists

But have you read the modernists?

[Anonymous No.4565811]

>>4565525
What I meant by simple was that they don't go into unnecessary detail (which, I understand, is the maximalist style) and the meaning, the message, they're trying to get across isn't obscured by florid, overwrought language. What I should have said is that their writing is simple to understand, not simple itself.

[Anonymous No.4565861]

>>4565358
I agree with one exception: He's a total cunt about Stanley Kubrick's Shining.

[Anonymous No.4565862]

>>4565303
Doesn't English language really have a word for hoi polloi

[Anonymous No.4565899]

>>4565220
>>4565247
>A country of millions of ppl trained to remotely fly micrograms of LSD/[anything] into ppl's systems as their full-time job

>The dim, constant, vaguely confusing, lifelong/unaddressed intuition that all pleasure, even mentally derived pleasure, is 'the' distraction

>Dark comedy in which Werner Herzog can't stop lying & in every scene says 'I know it's going to seem like I'm lying but' multiple times

>If u like rap, country, classical piano, rock, China, wool, r&b, violent movies, tea, cheese, flannel, soccer: kill urself (jk) (stoned rn)

[Anonymous No.4566245]

Obligatory/Avoid:
>Bret Easton Ellis

The Rest:
>Susan Orlean
>Mary Karr
>Kate Zambrino
>Eileen Myles
>Gary Shteyngart
>Sloane Crosley

There seem to be more female authors on Twitter than their male counterparts. I also follow a bunch of book reviewers

Not strictly "authors"/people you should follow anyhow:
>Nein Quarterly
German grammar, failed intellectual. Was just profiled in The New Yorker
>Geoffrey Chaucer
Used to be better, but whatever
>the guy tweeting every line of A la recherche du temps perdu
>Emily Nussbaum
TV critic for The New Yorker, bretty gud tweeter.
>Odysseus
I forget which one (there are multiple); it's more infrequent but usually pretty funny.
>Augustine of Hiphop
>Broethius

[Anonymous No.4566351]

>>4565303
>hoi polloi
Hoi polloi sounds like "soy pollito" which means "I'm little chicken" in spanish :3

[Anonymous No.4566368]

https://twitter.com/tejucole

[The Conspiracy Against The Hum(...) No.4566373]

>>4566368
>https://twitter.com/tejucole
He's actually not that bad, how are his books?

[Anonymous No.4566387]

>>4566245
Patricia Lockwood is pretty good

[Anonymous No.4566417]

>>4566351

the fuck

how does it sound like that at all beyond a bit of rhyming

[Anonymous No.4566423]

>>4565315

How to waffles mr SK?

[Anonymous No.4566433]

>>4566423
I believe he refers to it as 'writing'.

[Anonymous No.4566489]

>>4566433

That was hurtfully funny.

[Anonymous No.4566525]

That's a flawed argument, OP. The character was intentionally written to be likable because that disconnected us with the acts he was doing.

The protagonist of Lolita is not meant to be admirable.

[Anonymous No.4566570]

>2014
>reading or caring about women authors

[Anonymous No.4566584]

>>4566525
Nigga gets laid.

[Anonymous No.4566589]

>>4565498
Ever since your Party decided to trash our house with Party shit, it's become necessary.

[Anonymous No.4566745]

>>4565208
Her twitter page comes across as a vapid left-wing echo chamber to me.

"The Nazi doctors had their reasons too." Wow, way to argumentum ad Hitlerum.

[Anonymous No.4566752]

She is the prime example of an elite moonlighting as a proletariat. Which, I suppose, is why leftist politics is so ineffectual these days.

I'll take Kazantzakis or Tolstoy over her any day.

[Anonymous No.4566760]

how does she have time to tweet dumb shit? she writes about 8 books a year.

[Anonymous No.4566784]

>>4565415

No one reads or buys Oates shit. She is 'esteemed' because she is a major writing professor, at a college, whose college buddies write rave reviews for her work while she does the same for them. Do you wonder why it is the same seven authors show up blurbbing the shit out of each other's books and hyping up every new MFA writer that emerges(who just quite possibly happened to be in one of their courses)? Do you ever wonder why it is most of these writers receive layers upon layers of scholarly awards for their writing, even when they haven't written jack-shit in years?

It's a business. And it's run by pretentious dipshits like Oates who lack genuine talent and who love to speak on anything and everything while standing on a pedestal.

[Anonymous No.4566821]

>>4565358
>Stephen King
>He has a great attitude and we would all benefit from learning from him.

But he liked The Accursed by Joyce Carol Oates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/books/review/the-accursed-by-joyce-carol-oates.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[Anonymous No.4566843]

>>4566784
>No one reads or buys Oates shit
>It's a business

Sounds like a shitty business.

[Anonymous No.4567221]

>>4565466
>as DFW and Franzen
oh shit nigger what are you doing

[Anonymous No.4567998]

>>4566784

Keep telling yourself all that, if it helps you deal with whatever has twisted you bitter (your own lack of writing success, motivation, meaningful relationships?) Perpetuate that solipsistic lie that YOU are the only arbiter of worth, and that anyone who has amassed the amount of professional accolades Oates has must be talentless con artist. It's the refuge of loser egotists, but whatever man, everything is just a crock of shit, right?

When you get a little older, or a little more humble, you will learn that tearing down legitimately talented, hardworking people, anonymously no less, does not, in fact, build you up or make you any cooler, and that maybe quality does out, as the old timers say.

A two second Google search would prove that in fact lots of people buy and read Oates "shit." I know I have. Here's another clue: reading an author's body of work is actually what gives you the right to comment on it. Her Gothic short stories are first rate, and I think she's a natural heir to Flannery O'Connor. I don't give a fuck what she writes on her Twitter, or whether her reading of Lolita gels with mine.

[Anonymous No.4568041]

>>4567998
#SoDamnMad
#iAmMADsMikkelsen

[Anonymous No.4568052]

>>4565299

>implying he didn't kill himself because of being bullied on his myspace page.

[Anonymous No.4568057]

>>4565388
>>4565412
i really dislike the /pol/ crossover on this board.

[Anonymous No.4569087]

>>4568057
Or just people who pay attention beyond the media's lynching attempts.

[Anonymous No.4569123]

>>4566784
pretentious dipshits like Oates who lack genuine talent and who love to speak on anything and everything while standing on a pedestal.
like u

[Anonymous No.4569129]

>>4565466
fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.4569166]

>>4569129
get him rex. get him.

[Anonymous No.4569180]

>>4568057
>I'm a whiney faggot who can't deal with anything

>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.4569186]

>>4565466
Hunter S. Thompson and William S. Burroughs are pretty unpretentious.

[Anonymous No.4569714]

its funny because its non sequitur and you'll die alone

[Anonymous No.4569807]

>>4569714
lol is that rill?
and that isn't a non sequitor

[Anonymous No.4569814]

>>4569807
It's a real tweet, made by me, Ellen Page. I am Ellen Page. Ellen Page IRL

[Anonymous No.4569821]

>2014
>having twitter

[Anonymous No.4569827]

>>4569814
You did okay in Trailer Park Boys, but the dynamic between you and Robb Wells was kind of strange. Too bad you went and got yourself knocked up listening to Sonic Youth and the Moldy Peaches.

[Anonymous No.4569830]

I fucking love Bret Easton Ellis' tweets, they often cause so much butthurt

[Anonymous No.4569834]

>>4569830
He was shitting on DFW when the Pale King came out. It was hilarious.

[Anonymous No.4569883]

>>4569830

[Anonymous No.4569890]

This is his worst tweet.

That movie is wannabe Wong Kar Wai shit. And Wong Kar Wai is already shit.

[Anonymous No.4569894]

>>4569834
dfw wrote kind of a lot about how BEE and his ilk were awful and soulless or something, so that's to be expected

[Anonymous No.4569896]

Bret Easton Ellis is fucking awful, though. That's not humor or anything, he's just kind of an awful and boring person who says awful and boring stuff and the world would be better if we all ignored him as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.4569913]

>>4569890
LIT and Wong Kar Wai are both great.

[Anonymous No.4569919]

Haven't readed this. But reminds me of something else.
:)

[Anonymous No.4569927]

>>4569919

And that could mean two things:

- There is no truth, or we can not know truth
- Truth is eternal, and we discover it every day.

Both of the propositions can be true, at the same time, depending on the optics you use.

They're like... palindrome numbers.

q:^)

[Anonymous No.4569941]

>>4569919

Ba dum tss

[Anonymous No.4569961]

>>4567998

Holy shit, I'm sensing you're one of those MFA-pursuing faggots. You're one of those faggots, aren't you? That MFA line just cut so god damned close to the gut that your tears are mixed with the debt into which you've set yourself to acquire that worthless fucking degree. Anyways:

>Perpetuate that solipsistic lie that YOU are the only arbiter of worth,

Holy shit, those glorious adjectives paired to the anger; the intestines writhing at the onset of revelation you're too terrified to confront.

>and that anyone who has amassed the amount of professional accolades Oates has must be talentless con artist.

Anyways, faggot, I didn't perpetrate the first statement, but hell yes I did to the second. I never said she's a con artist. I said she can't write for shit. I've read portions of Mudwoman, the cluckle-fuck's daughter, something about a waterfall, "Mother," and endured enough of the depthless trite taking up the pages of a wasted short fiction section in the New Yorker to make my assessment of her work. Why in god name's would I exhaust my energies poring over the entirety of someone's repertoire to assess their talent when through various samplings I've already seen enough of it to deduce my feelings toward the writer?

>When you get a little older, or a little more humble

The debt must be crushing.

>you will learn that tearing down legitimately talented, hardworking people

I've no doubt she's hardworking. To release that onslaught of trudge in a single year is fascinating.

>anonymously no less, does not, in fact, build you up or make you any cooler,

I'm starting to feel bad about how closely I twisted that knife; I apologize. It was only a joke. Please. Stop crying. God damn. Jeez. Holy balls. Whoa.

>A two second Google search would prove that in fact lots of people buy and read Oates "shit."

I love how much your manner of writing reveals the depths of insecurity and doubt into which my innocuous little rant caused you to plunge.

>I know I have.

Shit--me too! That's why I learned it was shit.

>Here's another clue:

That knife. That angst. The doubt and overwhelming despair.

>reading an author's body of work is actually what gives you the right to comment on it. Her Gothic short stories are first rate, and I think she's a natural heir to Flannery O'Connor. I don't give a fuck what she writes on her Twitter, or whether her reading of Lolita gels with mine.

I may have missed a fantastic short story. Hemingway can be easily passed off if one misses his short stories, and the same may be true here. If you happen to stumble upon this post, provide the link to something exemplary and I'll gladly change my views. I love good literature. I don't love shitty literature that receives mass accolades, as is the case with Oates.

>>4569123

That's good. You got me.

[Anonymous No.4569992]

Why did she delete this tweet? And was she talking about /lit/?

[Anonymous No.4569998]

JOYCE CAROL OATES IS A CUNT AND WOMEN CAN'T DRIVE, GET RAPED MARGARET ATWOOD

[Anonymous No.4570005]

>>4567998
lol this post is fucking terrible, maybe try not to just make sententious pompous arguments about how terrible and awful it is that an anonymous stranger on the Internet is criticizing others + how everything that is granted authority by a system is ipso facto superior

like, i like joyce carol oates, but come the fuck on dude. there's nothing wrong with criticism, even harsh criticism. and trying to defend shit by throwing up these shields about how 'you're just jealous' and 'everyone who is SERIOUS agrees with me' is some fucking weak fucking bullshit. this is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. fucking defend her writing or don't, but fuck off with this masturbatory bullshit. maybe he's saying her writing is shitty because he thinks it's shitty, you dumb motherfucker. the only appropriate response is to say why you don't think it's shitty. jesus fucking christ i hate shitty posts like this.

[Anonymous No.4570015]

>>4569941
Nice tweet, Dawkins.

[Anonymous No.4570026]

>>4569961
This is the most well-written thing in this thread. Holy shit, what a magnificent rant. I can only hope to someday destroy someone half as artfully.

[Anonymous No.4570042]

So this board is /v/, but with more syllables. Thank god I saw this thread when I did, I was just about to take you guys seriously. Have fun. Enjoy your tepid literary match-ups, and all those Song of Ice and Fire threads.

[Anonymous No.4570047]

>>4570026
>faggot faggot faggot
>well-written
faggot

[Anonymous No.4570048]

>>4570042
Goodbye, tranny.

[Anonymous No.4570054]

>>4570048

[Anonymous No.4570065]

>>4567998
>I think she's a natural heir to Flannery O'Connor

[Anonymous No.4570066]

>>4569814
>It's a real tweet, made by me, Ellen Page. I am Ellen Page. Ellen Page IRL

Why did you just come out as Gay?

[Anonymous No.4570069]

Jesus christ Oates is fucking dumb.

[Anonymous No.4570072]

>>4570048
>third position
Faggots pretending they aren't rightist, please leave

[Anonymous No.4570076]

>>4570026
Samefag

[Anonymous No.4570078]

>>4570066

She really did come out as gay 40 minutes ago. I looked it up.

[Anonymous No.4570083]

>>4570078
huh
alright

[Anonymous No.4570085]

>>4569186
>Burroughs
>unpretentious
ehhh

[Anonymous No.4570084]

>>4570066
maybe it's because I'm Gay. a gay lesbian type woman. a big ol gay

[Anonymous No.4570161]

>>4570076

Sorry, faggot, but I'm the one who wrote the long fucking green-texted to shit response. I didn't post the response saying it was an artful diss, but I'll gladly take the compliment.

You remain a faggot, faggot.

[Anonymous No.4570176]

>>4570078
If Juno is gay howfor become she were was becoming pregnant?

[Anonymous No.4570184]

>>4570047

Not him, but definitely the faggot-infested post. I'm tired, can't sleep, just got into a fight with the lady, and for sensitive egos sake am going to hype my own shit.

>the intestines writhing at the onset of revelation you're too terrified to confront

>why in god name's would I exhaust my energies poring over the entirety of someone's repertoire to assess their talent when through various samplings I've already seen enough of it to deduce my feelings toward the writer?

> manner of writing reveals the depths of insecurity and doubt into which my innocuous little rant caused you to plunge.

I'm dope as fuck, have no qualms admitting it, and can pull this shit out of my ass with or without the egregious inflation of vulgarity, doing so with an amount of flare your talentless little ass could never muster no matter the hours you might spend before a page. You wanna disprove me? Have a write-off? Flip the coin bitch come get destroyed. An MC's worst dream, make them hate me---and so on.

[Anonymous No.4570200]

>>4565210
She's kidding. Ya'll need to learn to take a joke.

[Anonymous No.4570213]

>>4570184
Haven't read your post, but what you quoted is laughably stilted, like most writing on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.4570233]

>>4570213

So you won't flip the coin? That's fine, but all you had to do was say you're a bitch.

[Anonymous No.4570289]

i think i'm done with 4chan for a while, along with the many other areas of the internet that confuse irreverent sarcasm with cleverness and intelligence. internet culture seems to have to devolved to a point where whomever can demonstrate their personal views in the most succinct, detached, and jaded fashion is deemed the coolest and the funniest and the smartest, and frankly I don't think its mentally hygienic to continue to expose myself to this point of view. looking over all these twitters and posts I see an ocean of passive-aggression, inflammatory rhetoric that celebrates apathy and derides emotional reactions, and a blossoming narcissistic self-worship of one's own opinions and thoughts. i don't like it, and i don't like the way i'm starting to think after spending so much time on here.

goodbye /lit/, it's been fun

[Anonymous No.4570292]

I'm leaving for Reddit. /v/ has long been known for its immaturity but it used to be offset by the camaraderie and freedom of expression we all shared. Now my beloved forum has devolved into a cesspit of "memes," petty rivalries, and bickering over the inane minutiae of game balance. Instead of embracing Reddit as a brother community and trying to improve it through cooperation, we revile them and became more and more radicalized, marginalized ourselves. We become /b/, that which we always feared, spammer of gross images (I have kids - thanks for making my daughter cry. I thought we were better than this), insipid infantile racism, and shamefully lazy OC. We harass every femanon who posts, hate on our Korean forebears who have shown us so many good games, and generally act like whiny over-entitled manchildren. I for one am glad a moderated community exists where I can have fulfilling, informative discussions of ongoing games and tournaments, peppered with hilarious OC and memes, and where I don't have to worry about thread wars, doubles (LOL SO FUNNEH TWO NUMBERS MATCHED UP XD, you know 1/10 posts is doubles? morons) or general shitposting.

[Anonymous No.4570817]

I am so sick and fucking tired of poseur douchebags rambling on about how woody allen is the devil.

go away tumblr. seriously fuck off the fact of this earth forever, you dangerously, dangerously fucking childish, reductionist people

http://ideas.time.com/2014/02/12/woody-allen-believe-the-victim-and-feminism/

[Anonymous No.4570826]

>>4570817
not that i necessarily disagree, but it's probably not a good idea to call other people reductionist at the same time as you're reducing the issue down to "FUCK FUCKING TUMBLR"

[Anonymous No.4570829]

>>4570826
okay, youve got me there.

i guess i was just doing a thing

[Screwtape !!tdBUE9PLvpz No.4570862]

>>4570817
What did you get out of this article? The author barely gives the facts of the whole Woody Allen debacle and instead just talks about how the blogosphere reacted to it, with a weird caveat that "well people sometimes are coached into believing they were assaulted." I barely know about the case myself, but she treats Dylan Farrow as a news item rather than a human being. It's disgusting. It's disgusting that she recognizes Farrow believes she was molested, but still treats the case as some abstract issue of public debate.

Believing all victims isn't the same as prosecuting all suspects. The criminalization of rape is only a feminist issue insofar as dismantling the prison system is a feminist issue. Please don't reduce all feminists to corporate feminists.

[Anonymous No.4570882]

>>4570862
>and instead just talks about how the blogosphere reacted to it

because thats the subject of the article

>with a weird caveat that "well people sometimes are coached into believing they were assaulted."

because 1. there is evidence that that is what happened. I dont really blame Mia Farrow for trying to get revenge btw. 2. it is really, really difficult to figure this shit out with children. Sometimes they say stuff that is completely untrue, but because they usually just say the whole truth rather bluntly, it gets very complicated. Oftentimes you can coerce a kid into beliving something, fairly easily. Literally just Watch the film "The Hunt" until you get it.

[Anonymous No.4570883]

>>4570882
>beliving
damn it.

sorry

[Anonymous No.4570897]

Oates is a great troll.

[Anonymous No.4570906]

>>4570883
That's the aesthetic literary error that most concerns you?

[Screwtape !!tdBUE9PLvpz No.4570910]

>>4570882
That's true, it's just frustrating that the first thing people think of doing in rape cases is determining that it happened. Maybe it's an issue of public debate because Allen's artistic integrity [lol] is on the line or something, and the fact that Farrow wrote an open letter about it does make it public issue. But if someone is hurting, we should look at the fact of their hurt and not the fact that they were hurt, if that makes sense? The Farrow case is different because it's really just repeating accusations that were already made, but it's sad that the letter is being read as a sort of criminal accusation rather than an expression of hurt. Cases like this are always sort of frustrating, though.

[Anonymous No.4570921]

>>4570910
Yeah i understand what you're saying.

In that case BOTH Mia Farrow and Woody Allen should be on trial here. She used her daughter as a tool to get revenge. I dont think Woody Allen is a good guy or anything btw

[Anonymous No.4570922]

>>4565899
>I know it's going to seem like I'm lying but'
If Herzog says "I know it's going to seem like I'm lying but I know it's going to seem like I'm lying" and can't stop lying, does he know it's going to seem like he's lying?

[Anonymous No.4571267]

>>4570048
The only thing worse than a fascist is one who can't even come out as a fucking fascist. Just letting you know

(|;-)

[Anonymous No.4571321]

>>4570910

yeah well guess what there's such a thing as a judicial system, and you can't just go all HE HURT ME :'-(((( to them

I can't believe I even have to say this, this is common sense. You're just ignoring it to try to make some kind of stupid contrarian point.

[Anonymous No.4571612]

>>4571267
You clearly are a bourgeois imperialistic neocapitalist fascist communist statist pig.