Why is Australia so shit when it comes to literature? Sure there have been a rare few good or accomplished authors, but otherwise, here down under, Aus fucking sucks. Generally as well. Also, please excuse my apparent ignorance.

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Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:22:19 2014 No.4567777 [DELETED]

Why is Australia so shit when it comes to literature? Sure there have been a rare few good or accomplished authors, but otherwise, here down under, Aus fucking sucks. Generally as well.

Also, please excuse my apparent ignorance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:31:20 2014 No.4567788 >john marsden

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:32:20 2014 No.4567790 File: 38 KB, 400x400, 83.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] well at least you guys got nicole kidman. it's not all so bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:34:19 2014 No.4567793 we're pretty much shit at everything that involves creativity film, art, literature we concentrate on things that don't really challenge our minds, like sports for example

« 零 » !Ry9.Zir1EM Fri Feb 14 06:35:19 2014 No.4567794

BEING SO FAR REMOVED FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD, AND IN AN INHOSPITABLE ENVIRONMENT, AS A SOCIETY, EFFECTS THEM IN A SUBCONSCIOUS MANNER, MAKING THEM OVERLY CONFORMIST, SPENDING THEIR ENERGY SOLELY ON PRESERVING & MAINTAINING THEIR STATUS QUO.

SCANDINAVIAN NATIONS ARE HOMOLOGOUS IN THAT RESPECT.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:35:19 2014 No.4567795 File: 11 KB, 400x268, fuck sakes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4567788

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:36:19 2014 No.4567798 it's because they're all stupid

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:38:19 2014 No.4567801 >>4567777 Peter Carey is good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:38:19 2014 No.4567804 We haven't had a revolution yet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:45:52 2014 No.4567821 File: 8 KB, 640x210, ausburn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4567777

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:51:57 2014 No.4567829

>>4567777
>population of Australia: 22.68m
>population of the US: 313.9m
>number of Australian Nobel laureates in literature: 2
>number of American laureates: 11
>pop./laureate ratio (Aus): 11.34
>pop./laureate ratio (US): 28.54

"Why is Australia so shit when it comes to literature?"
I dunno mate, you tell me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:53:52 2014 No.4567830 >>4567829 >lets pick an australian this year >seems right, do they have any? >we'll make something work -actual conversation at the nobel prize meetings

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:53:52 2014 No.4567831

>>4567804
Yeah, good luck to us achieving that with our complacent retard conformist population, as >>4567794 explained. I've never known a nation able to be so manipulated by fucking 7pm project propoganda (just a thought). Despite mr «零 » !Ry9.Zir1EM's blatant caps fagging, he's pretty spot on imo

>>4567793
While I'm speaking straight from narrow personal experience here, pretty much all 'creative' minded people I've ever discussed media with are so trope-tastic it's painful to listen to. They call themselves creative, then proceed to arrange a series of tv-tropes together as if that amount to anything truly creative.

>>4567829
:I
:(
:'(
;_;

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 06:54:52 2014 No.4567834 >>4567829 obama is a nobel laureate too lel

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:02:52 2014 No.4567847 >>4567834 fuck O-barmah, this is about 'straya, cunt

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:03:52 2014 No.4567849 >>4567834 yeah for the peace prize you mongoloid, what the fuck are you doing on this board >>4567830 >implying they did not have the exact same conversation with regards to american recipients in 1930, 29 years after the prize was first awarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:06:10 2014 No.4567856 We have a very different culture to American and Europe, especially because all of us began poor.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:07:09 2014 No.4567857

>>4567793

We do have a lot of creative talents though, at least in the film and TV industries, it's just that they all move to fucking America. There's just zero optimism about a career in film or TV being at all feasible in Aus. So the only fuckers that actually stay here and make stuff are the pretentious asshats who puke out shit like Sleeping Beauty and think it's art just because it's unbelievably boring.
"Hurr, were too good to imitate America. Let's imitate Europe instead. But we'll make it our own, by sucking out all emotion and replacing it with meaningless film student cinematography, and we'll hold every shot for fucking ever!"

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:07:09 2014 No.4567858

>>4567793
>boo hoo, every single piece of art needs to be validated by mummy britain and big bro america and stuck on the fucking kitchen fridge for me to appreciate it
fuck off cunt, it's cultural-cringers like you who drive fantastic australian artists overseas or into obscurity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:08:09 2014 No.4567860 >>4567794 As an Australian, I agree. Best landscape, nothing happens.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:09:09 2014 No.4567862 And the winner of the 2016 Nobel Prize In Literature.... the author of two award winning novels, both a fictional short story entitled "Mad Max 3:How we kicked those abo cunts out of Mt Druitt" and a thrilling autobiography... Schappelle Corby

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:13:09 2014 No.4567868 >>4567793 You have good actors. My Aussie friend claims Melbourne has a decent music scene too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:14:09 2014 No.4567870 Well Patrick White is one of my favourite authors. If fact, I think he was the last great writer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:33:55 2014 No.4567891 >>4567870 wasn't he supposed to be an absolute asshole?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:35:55 2014 No.4567896 >>4567868 >My Aussie friend claims Melbourne has a decent music scene yeah but there all hipster asshats though

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:36:55 2014 No.4567901 >>4567857 >it's just that they all move to fucking America can you blame them?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:36:55 2014 No.4567903 >>4567891 He had a lot of falling outs with friends and was probably a bit of an elitist, but he was still a great writer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:40:00 2014 No.4567910 >>4567849 >yeah for the peace prize you mongoloid, what the fuck are you doing on this board >implying that doesn't discredit the whole nobel prize thing

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:52:56 2014 No.4567929

150 years of settlement, meaning the oldest living today might still remember seeing the oldest of the first settlers. Culture takes time to grow - it requires leisure time and public institutions, whether in the form of a ruling dynasty's largesse or democratically allocated funds. Australia was a capitalist free-for-all full of semi-literate people at war with a harsh environment for most of its history. So this is like asking why the trees are so bare after winter.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:53:55 2014 No.4567932

>>4567901
Not that guy, but I can't blame them - if actors stay in Australia, in the long run all that is going to happen to them is that they have to star in {shit-dance-show-1} or {shit-soap-5}. There is no market for "thinking art" in Australia because there are few "thinking men".

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:53:55 2014 No.4567933 >>4567793 Nigga, Radio Birdman, Flesh D-Vice, Birthday Party (and related bands), the Saints (GOAT punk) and Thought Criminals are all australian. Not to mention the killer Wild Things garage comps. Y'all nigas rock when it comes to music

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:54:55 2014 No.4567935 >>4567903 Woulda fit right in here. Nice and tight like the edgy c/lit/ he was at heart.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:57:55 2014 No.4567940 There are plenty of good Australian writers. Patrick White, Les Murray, Bryce Courtney (to an extent), Richard Flanagan, Ruth Park, Robert Hughes.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:57:55 2014 No.4567941

>>4567933
I'm Australian myself and I've never heard of any of these bands. I'm genuinely curious though; what is so good about those bands we ahve? I'm not trying to sound edgy at all. I'm actually curious as to what sets us apart from others in the music scene according to you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:58:55 2014 No.4567944 File: 993 KB, 250x250, reading-laugh.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You have Italian Spiderman and Danger 5. That's almost enough to be proud of.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 07:59:55 2014 No.4567946 >>4567940 And that's not even mentioning the popular stuff like Thomas Kenneally and Tim Winton.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:00:55 2014 No.4567953

>>4567941
For such a tiny country, Australia has great bands! Wolfmother, Violent Soho, TISM, Nick Cave/Grinderman, The Dirty Three, Tame Impala, The Birthday Party...

Germany has 4 times as many inhabitants and nowadays doesn't produce music as great as this (inb4 hurdurr Rammstein), except maybe Einstürzende Neubauten.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:05:56 2014 No.4567959

>>4567953
Err... I didn't ask for more band examples, I asked for an opinion. I meant what makes our music 'greater' than bands like say, Germany?

For sake of clarity, I meant, in depth, exactly what musical qualities and differences set our music apart from others around the globe? What makes ours 'greater'? What makes us 'rock?'

But okay.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:08:55 2014 No.4567962

>>4567901
I can't blame them, but it's a shame about all the Australian stories that are never going to be told simply because anyone who might have told them moved away, and anyone who stays and tries to tell them only strengthens Australia's image of pretentious amateurism that the general public isn't remotely interested in. We've gone from a nation of convicts to a nation of shitty film students.
It's not just that Australian works are uninteresting anymore, it's at a point where an Australian work is just a joke, and everyone will take it as a given that it's a piece of crap. Even if someone made something good, they'd bare the burden of the industry's history and never get anywhere with this country.

All that said, from my limited experience and for the little it's worth, Australia seems to have pretty decent and varied YA. Or at least, Australian books in the genre are prominent compared to other countries, and are embraced for the fact that they're Australian instead of rejected for it.
All my favourite authors growing up were Australian. Hell, they were the only YA books that were good enough that I actually bothered learning the authors' names
If the Aus film industry would look to YA, maybe we'd get somewhere. Or maybe they'd just ruin that too.

>>4567932
It's not just actors either, it's any and all film and TV professionals.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:10:55 2014 No.4567963 >>4567933 ...Are you calling that anon nigga, or do we have a band by that name? Because fuck, people already think we're racist enough.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:12:55 2014 No.4567965 >>4567959 >exactly what musical qualities and differences set our music apart from others around the globe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN9NC4iQcsA

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:13:55 2014 No.4567968 >>4567965 >run of the mill soft whiny pop punk faggotry

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:14:55 2014 No.4567969 >>4567965 Why is he trying to sound like a redneck?

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:14:55 2014 No.4567971
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Australian here, we're fiercely anti-intellectual and despise anyone with any inclination of merit brought about through education, self attained or otherwise.

We are basically inbred white trash. With that said, we have some brilliant minds writhing in this comically pathetic sea of idiocy and they are deprived of inspiration because of their surroundings.

The intellectuals of Australia are victims of circumstance. We aren't a country of extremes of culture; unlike America i can't drive a few hours or days and end up in a completely different cultural setting with different customs.

We are stupid, and we enjoy being stupid. We think its good to be stupid.

But fuck you, Australia invented the first true flight vehicle (It was a giant ass kyte) and loads of other sweet shit.

nigga.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:14:55 2014 No.4567972 If you Australians have a problem with your self-image, fix it. Write a book with typically boorish working class Australians in it, and torture them enough that they seem more like elemental heroes than Joe Soaps.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:15:55 2014 No.4567974 AC/DC

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:19:55 2014 No.4567980

Australia just seems to hate itself. It's like we still think of the country as a prison, and we're all just waiting to pay our dues and be released back into civilisation. Anyone who's anyone gets the fuck out as soon as any other country will have them.

It's telling that none of our Australian Idols got any significant popularity in their own country. They've either fallen into obscurity, or are just considered jokes (what about me?!~). I don't even know what we're doing with all the 'victors' of the new slew of talent programmes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:20:55 2014 No.4567983 >>4567829 im australian and coetzee barely counts

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:26:27 2014 No.4567989 I'm Australian and I think this country is great. Just move to Brisbane, it's got things going for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:27:27 2014 No.4567991 >>4567980 Casey Donovan busks at my local markets now.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:37:27 2014 No.4568001

>>4567929
>150 years of settlement
wh-what?

australia isn't that bad, I don't know why anyone's complaining, we have the population of a mid-sized us state spread across a continent the size of mainland america and yet we manage to hold our own in the world in terms of the arts, economics and scientific progress. I honestly don't see what everyone's complaining about, the anglosphere is essentially all the same country anyway, we just happened to get the best fucking bit in terms of quality of life (although I still think it's too damn hot).

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:40:28 2014 No.4568005 >>4567983 the ratio for australia is still better either way.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:41:28 2014 No.4568007

We're too young and the world is too old. It's hard to develop a solid culture when a good chunk of your population is made of recent immigrants from a host of different countries, when you yourself can leave your country so readily for greener pastures, and when you can consume nothing but international entertainment all your life without even noticing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 08:53:28 2014 No.4568033 >>4568001 >tfw you had to return your ps4 because it melted due to the summer heat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 09:17:27 2014 No.4568073 File: 16 KB, 230x300, uh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4567965 Oh, look! A- a video instead of an explanation. O-okay t-then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 09:19:28 2014 No.4568077 >>4567804 Neither have the British, and they've still produced authors of note.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 09:19:28 2014 No.4568078 >>4567991 who?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 09:20:28 2014 No.4568079 >>4567989 fuck of, I'm not moving to that cesspool

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 09:25:27 2014 No.4568085 Yeah, but you had Ern Malley and that's worth, like, at least 10 laureates in 4chan terms.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 09:25:27 2014 No.4568087

>>4568001
Yes, in terms of quality of living and sustainability, this country is great It stands above many, many other countries in that respect. But we're talking about the entertainment/media aspect of Australia here, especially literature, not the quality of living.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 09:39:27 2014 No.4568105 >>4567989 Brisbane is shit little country town. I bet you live on the south-side too

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 10:19:36 2014 No.4568157 >>4567831 >I've never known a nation able to be so manipulated by fucking 7pm project propoganda that show gets terrible ratings, you're talking out of your murdoch-owned ass

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 10:24:33 2014 No.4568165

>>4567953
How can you like The Birthday Party and still like fucking Wolfmother?

>>4567965
Australia had a very distinct jangle-pop/post-punk sound in the 80s that I'm absolutely in love with. The Triffids are probably the best example of the sound that was only coming out of Australia at the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 10:28:33 2014 No.4568171 So there's some truth in Zyzz being the posterboy of Australian culture?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 11:37:20 2014 No.4568324 >>4567857 this. Andrew Dominik and John Hillcoat are both excellent directors, and they've fucked off to work somewhere they'll get paid. Meanwhile we're stuck with that Luhrmann faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 11:50:20 2014 No.4568354 >>4568171 there's a frighteningly large steroid junkie subculture.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 11:51:20 2014 No.4568358 Terence Tao and Neville Tao are from Australia, if that counts for anything. Of course, his parents were immigrants.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 11:51:20 2014 No.4568359

>>4568087
>But we're talking about the entertainment/media aspect of Australia here
Well one I don't see why that really matters considering art and entertainment is pretty much universally accessible now and two it's ridiculous to suggest that Australia has any worse of a cultural output per capita than any other Western nation. We have Nick Cave, we have the Saints, we have Midnight Oil, we have Tame Impala, we have Wake in Fright and Picnic at Hanging Rock, we have Patrick White, we have Nevil Shute, we have Sidney Nolan, Howard Arkley, Albert Tucker, Jeffrey Smart, Brett Whiteley, and Ben Quilty.

Just because most Australian artists aren't mentioned in the American/British press doesn't mean they're shit, it's entirely due to a cultural bias in the industry.

There's no reason why Australians would possibly be less creative than any other nation and there sure as shit isn't any proof of it.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 11:53:20 2014 No.4568362
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>Unaipon was obsessed with correct English and in speaking tended to use classical English rather than that in common usage.
>Unaipon took out provisional patents for 19 inventions
>Unaipon was a recognised authority on ballistics.

Abbos got ya beat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 12:12:53 2014 No.4568401 >>4568078 fat fuck that won australian idol

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 12:30:53 2014 No.4568454 File: 57 KB, 857x464, 7897689876.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Because they have lower average IQ's than Africa.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 12:34:53 2014 No.4568463 you're basically asking, why do more books come out of college graduates than convicts?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 17:22:03 2014 No.4569220 >>4567777 >Why is Australia so shit when it comes to literature? We do excellent history. Stop reading fiction.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:13:06 2014 No.4569785 >>4568454 this hurts

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:21:06 2014 No.4569811 >>4568454 Holy shit, that pic is legit. I had to check, because that seems really unlikely. Hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:31:06 2014 No.4569833 >>4568454 >Australia dumber than almost all of Africa top lel

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:34:06 2014 No.4569844 >>4568454 So...what's the deal with this? Who the hell is bringing this average down?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:35:06 2014 No.4569847 >>4569844 Australians. Australians are bringing it down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:39:06 2014 No.4569856 >>4569844 aboriginals..

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:40:06 2014 No.4569859

Australia has no culture. Australia has nothing remotely engaging. Our art (film, music, literature, painting) is all just about supposed 'Australianness' which doesn't exist.

Simply, the country is far too big for the population which is far too small.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:40:06 2014 No.4569861 >>4569859 Good at cricket, though, apparently

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:41:07 2014 No.4569862 >>4569856 >>4569847 >>4569844 >indigenous populations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Differences_in_Intelligence_(book)

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 21:43:06 2014 No.4569867 >>4569862 Doesn't the fact that there are a hell of a lot more Africans in Africa than there are aboriginals in Australia pose a bit of a problem for your little thesis?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:03:06 2014 No.4569915 >>4567777 Fighting off deadly animals every day takes a lot of time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:04:06 2014 No.4569918 >>4569915 I hate this fucking meme. There are just as many dangerous animals in any other country in the entire world. I have never encountered one 'dangerous animal' here except in an enclosure in my entire 21 years of life.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:09:07 2014 No.4569926 File: 70 KB, 720x479, AUTISTIC RAGE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4569918

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:10:07 2014 No.4569932 >>4569926 actual autism

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:11:06 2014 No.4569934 >>4569918 It's a joke, anon. It's just a joke.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:13:06 2014 No.4569939 >>4569934 It's a joke, is it? Go pay reddit.com a visit and tell me it's a joke.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:13:06 2014 No.4569940 >>4569918 amerifats are scared of spiders.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:24:06 2014 No.4569958 >>4568454 That explains why 4chan is at its worst at 4 in the morning Eastern time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:25:15 2014 No.4569960 >>4567777 you're too happy there america has the highest rate of mental illness in the world, that's why we're a cultural capital

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:26:15 2014 No.4569964 >>4567794 >scandinavian nations >preserving the status quo lel

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:30:15 2014 No.4569975 >>4569867 Africans aren't abos, moron. >hurr dey black dey da same

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:30:15 2014 No.4569976 >>4569960 >that's why we're a cultural capital >implying the US is still capital in anything, except maybe homicide

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:31:15 2014 No.4569977 I love being Australian, but at the same time I can see its limitations

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:31:15 2014 No.4569978 >>4567829 >measuring literary output by Nobel laureates You know the Swedes pretty much hate American literature right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:34:14 2014 No.4569981 File: 34 KB, 406x308, aboriginals.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4569867 I don't think you fully appreciate what Australian Aboriginals are.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:35:14 2014 No.4569983 >>4569976 Damn you're ignorant.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:35:14 2014 No.4569984 >>4569981 *who

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:36:14 2014 No.4569988

>>4569867

You know that "Been here 40,000 years... Invented a stick." meme? It's not a fucking joke, these motherfuckers didn't even have houses until white men came and built some and even now they just trash their council houses and sleep outside anyway. For fuck sake, they have ads an our equivalent of BET telling Abos not to sleep on the fucking road or you might get run over.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:36:14 2014 No.4569990

Why are other also new countries with a relatively low/equal population better than Australia at literature even while being poorer? Is it a cultural thing or what?

Argentina, for example, and I bet you could count a few other countries in latin america higher than Australia on literature.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:37:14 2014 No.4569993 File: 24 KB, 220x300, Lockie Leonard Scumbuster.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] But we have Lockie Leonard, OP. Isn't that enough?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:39:14 2014 No.4569996 >>4569990 Resistance breeds creativity, Australia has such a high standard of living that everyone just has an attitude of "fuck it."

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:39:14 2014 No.4569997 >>4569981 >what top kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:46:14 2014 No.4570013 >>4568454 Isn't that a map of the IQs of native populations? So yes, as others pointed out, it's the abos.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 22:57:30 2014 No.4570033 >>4569939 It's one of the toppest circlejerks that exist there I swear to God

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:09:30 2014 No.4570070

>>4569988
Aboriginal peoples never developed our concept of 'civilization' becuase they were nomadic hunter-gatherers. When humans invented farming, it meant they didn't have to move from place to place. It meant they could settle down and develop technologies. Unlike Europe, for the most part, Australia is far too arid for agriculture, and so it was simply impossible to settle down and develop towns or cities.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:11:30 2014 No.4570077 >>4570070 Australia has a massive agriculture industry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:12:30 2014 No.4570079 Australia's theatre scene is interesting and experimental. I wouldn't say it's always entirely successful, but at least there is experimentation, at least it's not stagnant.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:14:30 2014 No.4570086

>>4570077
Now.
When Europeans who have had thousands of years of agricultural history came and introduced modern techniques to convert the landscape into something useable.

There is nothing fundamentally different between Europeans and Aboriginals, it's the environment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:15:30 2014 No.4570090 >>4570086 >There is nothing fundamentally different between Europeans and Aboriginals Except intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:15:30 2014 No.4570091 >>4570077 A-are you dense?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:19:30 2014 No.4570098 >>4568078 Exactly.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:19:30 2014 No.4570100

Fuck
Australians are so fucking racist toward Aboriginal people when I guarantee 90% of urbanites have never interacted with an Aboriginal person beyond a handful of interactions.

>hurr durr statistics

You don't think several centuries of violent racism, systematic genocide and institutionalised oppression has anything to do with it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:19:30 2014 No.4570101 >>4570077 niqqa so does africa.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:21:30 2014 No.4570105 >>4570100 I'm an argie and when I visited Australia, I got mugged by abos the third day in. All other interactions I had with them in the little time I was there were almost equally unpleasant. I think I can see where they come from.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:23:30 2014 No.4570112

>>4567777
>>4567777
>>4567777
>>4567777

Because there's literally nothing interesting about Australia or it's history.

It's just a fucking desert in which nothing interesting has happened except for some Abos who were killed/died of small pox.

There greatest point in history was some solders who died in an irrelevant and shamelessly mythologised campaign in Turkey in WW1. Despite the fact more Brits and French died on the same campaign.

Nowadays it's just a generic first world country isolated from everywhere else. Living is easy there, there's no real culture - so there's nothing interesting to write about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:26:31 2014 No.4570124 >>4570105 YOU ONLY PROVED MY FUCKING POINT

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:27:31 2014 No.4570132 I've liked some Australian poetry. I don't know anything about aussie literature, though.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:28:30 2014 No.4570138
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Alright you fucking plebes, listen up.

That picture up there of the IQ 60 average is engaging the native populations only. Anyone who lives here can tell you aborigines are dumb as shit - pre colonisation they didn't even use the bow and arrow, one of the only civilizations not to. They had a loosely organized social structure and lived more or less like semi intelligent animals.

Attached you'll find the map of average OVERALL iq by country, the entire population, including aborigines. You'll find Australia rates similarly with other first world nations.

My final point is that that author is wildly controversial, dismissing out of hand almost entirely cultural explanations, as well as socio economic ones of variance of intelligence. He argues that half of the IQ defecit of africa is due to mal nutrition and the other half is due to inherent genetic stupidity. He argues that evolutionarily moving to Europe presented problems that has changed the brains of white people in a way it hasn't black people. He's a fucking mongoloid - and not in the racial sense - because 50,000 years is wholly insignificant in evolutionary time. These differences are cultural and education based, nothing more. If they are genetic traits that can be holistically ascribed to "Race", then they are extremely minor. Take any person, give them a first rate education and instill discipline and give them stability, and you'll end up with a smart cookie regardless. The variance isn't based over race - it's based over individuals.

tl;dr, for literature snobs you idiots don't read.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:28:31 2014 No.4570134

>>4570100
I have interacted with them my entire life, and have done a lot of research on them because they force it on you at every turn in university and school. I have a great deal of sympathy for them, but at this point in time their manifold problems are primarily of their own making, and they are a burden to rest of us while they simultaneously guilt trip us.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:28:31 2014 No.4570135 >>4570124 are you supposed to live on a reservation for 5 years to have an opinion on them?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:29:30 2014 No.4570143 >>4570134 poor white man's guilt. so hard damn hard for you.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:30:30 2014 No.4570146

>>4570124
Yeah, well, all I'm saying is that it's pretty hard to go further than a handful of interactions when you have a knife pointed at you or they're otherwise shouting insults and/or talking about you under their breath whenever you approach them.

I know they've been opressed and all, but I've met many black people who also suffered similar shit and can be chill nowadays. I met literally 0 nice abos in the time I was there.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:30:30 2014 No.4570147

>>4570112
The reason Gallipoli is celebrated is in remembrance of the fact that the Mother Country essentially sent us on a suicide mission. From day one, Australia has suffered an inferiority complex, but the one thing we could rest assured in was our pure British heritage.

It was shattering to consider that Britain did not give as much of a fuck about us as we did her.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:32:30 2014 No.4570149 >>4570112 There are good Australian books. You just haven't read them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:32:30 2014 No.4570150 >>4570147 >It was shattering to consider that Britain did not give as much of a fuck about us as we did her. Welcome to every colony ever. Become a republic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:32:30 2014 No.4570152 white australians are dumbass racist shits to everyone. who cares about them?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:33:30 2014 No.4570154 >>4570150 Australia will become a republic over my dead body.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:34:30 2014 No.4570157 >>4570134 You tell them for centuries that they don't belong to your system, then get angry when they won't conform to a system you've enforced upon them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:34:30 2014 No.4570159 >>4570152 Only on this website, Australia is very PC if you actually live there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:35:30 2014 No.4570165 >>4570146 But I can tell you stories of just as many Aboriginal people who aren't like that at all. It's just anecdotal evidence. It' sustain poverty breeds criminality.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:35:30 2014 No.4570166

Aren't you all descended from prisoners? That's probably why. And the gene pool over there must be pretty small because I see the same facial characteristics repeated often in Australians, especially the women. Nicole Kidman, Olivia Newton John, Naomi Watts, and Jackie Weaver all have the same face.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:35:30 2014 No.4570170 >>4570159 >Australia is very PC if you actually live there. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/dumbdrunkracist/

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:36:30 2014 No.4570174 >>4570166 Actually, very few Australians are descended from prisoners. Many more would be descended from gold rush immigrants than from convicts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:37:30 2014 No.4570177 >>4570166 It's a myth that 'we're all descended from convicts'. Even most anglo Australian descend from settlers from the UK that came here in the 19th century.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:37:30 2014 No.4570178 >>4570165 No.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:37:30 2014 No.4570182

>>4570165
I agree with you, I was just sharing what I saw and saying how, from my personal experiences with them, I can understand why some are racist towards them.

I wasn't inquiring on the reasons why they're like that or what can be done to improve it, really.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:38:30 2014 No.4570188 >>4570157 I'd never say we didn't treat them badly, but that has a long time passed and their incompatible cultural traits have placed them on the outer. They should assimilate. Face it, we won.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:39:30 2014 No.4570193 >>4567794 >australians >conformist partly, but there is a deep anti authoritarian strain in them because of the convict heritage. we switch between cycles of conservatism and progressivism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:41:31 2014 No.4570198 >>4570170 A TV show that reaches the ultimate conclusion that despite some faults Australia is a generally tolerant nation. Compared to Europe with its far-right parties and America with all its racial politics, Australia is hardly racist.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:41:31 2014 No.4570201

>>4570159
Aside from bogans, who make up a frighteningly larger percentage of the population than you might like to admit, Australia has indeed adopted multiculturalism with a willingness and pacifism unseen in many other parts of the world. Aside from a few incidents, we've never had anything like race riots.

Even despite that however, I think you'll find the vast majority of people are still staunchly racist! even if they don't exhibit it - it's the conversations that go on between members of their own race that reveal the truth. However, I guess that's the best we can hope for right now. Like I said, it's a lot better than anywhere else.

We do have a major issue with our indigenous population, and the treatment of asylum seekers at that however.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:42:30 2014 No.4570204 >>4570201 accidental exclamation point, sorry

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:42:30 2014 No.4570208 File: 1.72 MB, 1760x4425, Australian Lit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] um...

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:43:30 2014 No.4570209 >>4570208 It's like Australia doesn't have any history worth talking about aside from Ned Kelly and Gallipoli.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:43:30 2014 No.4570211 >>4570178 Yep

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:43:30 2014 No.4570212 >>4570201 Well I guess so, I have an Asian-Australian friend who is probably the most racist person I've ever meet - complete with regularly dropping the word 'nigger' into conversation, even in public.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:44:30 2014 No.4570214 >>4570208 No one has read or will ever read any of those.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:44:30 2014 No.4570217 >>4570209 good. i would rather say nothing than talk about a holocaust or civil war.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:45:30 2014 No.4570219 >>4570209 I wish Australia's national inferiority complex, or tall poppy syndrome was more explored in our art - I think they're fascinating social phenomena that are to extent exclusive to this part of the world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:45:30 2014 No.4570220 >>4570214 If you don't read Patrick White you are missing out. And millions of people saw the adaptation of Schindler's Ark.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:46:30 2014 No.4570221 >>4570219 Shut the fuck up mate

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:46:30 2014 No.4570223 >>4570201 >the treatment of asylum seekers This would be solved by simply not allowing any to come here, and rescind the UN convention.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:47:30 2014 No.4570224 >>4570152 gr8est b8 here m80, well done

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:48:30 2014 No.4570230 >>4570223 abbot pls

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:48:30 2014 No.4570231 >>4570224 >m80 Hahah

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:49:30 2014 No.4570235 File: 1.93 MB, 235x240, htrwetr.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4570201 >I think you'll find the vast majority of people are still staunchly racist! Nice job Aussies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:49:30 2014 No.4570237 >>4570217 Move to New Zealand then. They have even less to talk about.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:50:30 2014 No.4570241

The problem with Australia is that we're caught in between. We're not so small that we're completely irrelevant, but we're not big enough for anybody to care.

Because of our size, we have this delusion that we might be taken seriously - so we try and create works that we think will be respected on an international stage. But the thing is, we don't have the money of resources to produce anything interesting, but we also take ourselves too seriously and are not willing to take risks or experiment.

NZ has developed it's own unique style of artistry and humour, because they've accepted their fate as irrelevancies. Australia can see the light, but we're not tall enough to grasp it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:51:30 2014 No.4570245 All these rapid fire posts. Sure are a lot of aussies on lit for a country who wrote none.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:51:30 2014 No.4570247 >>4570237 ok, its a great place with a stable society too...?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:51:30 2014 No.4570249 >>4570193 >implying we are all inbred from convicts nice assumption you got there As >>4570177 and >>4570174 pointed out, the whole convict descendant thing isn't as true as it seems. Although you're right about our cycles we have.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:53:30 2014 No.4570257 >>4570249 >implying i was talking about genetic inheritance >implying successive generations of european/asian/middle eastern migrants aren't eventually assimilated into having "australian values" which derive from that historical situation

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:54:30 2014 No.4570259

>>4570147
>the fact that the Mother Country essentially sent us on a suicide mission.
Yeah as well as everyone else, including the native Britbongs.

Plus it was often Australian officers who ordered the worst and most foolish attacks.

Gallipoli is only important as a national foundation myth. All countries have them and they are rarely accurate.

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:55:30 2014 No.4570261
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You're lucky we even have a smidgen of culture.
If it wasn't for Whitlam, we'd have nowhere near the number of institutions or policies set up to protect and foster the arts - and look what the conservatives did to him!

Australians are simply anti-intellectuals.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:57:31 2014 No.4570264 File: 40 KB, 599x583, ngbbs4f19dd967c18e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4570221

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:58:31 2014 No.4570266 File: 722 KB, 2403x2598, Edna-Scream-Dress.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4570261 and we wouldn't have it any other way, possum

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:59:30 2014 No.4570268 >>4570261 We have The Monthly and Overland crowd, they keep us somewhat cultured even if they are left-wing bohemians.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:59:30 2014 No.4570269 File: 13 KB, 300x214, tsk tsk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4570230

Anonymous Fri Feb 14 23:59:30 2014 No.4570270

>>4567989
>I'm Australian and I think this country is great.
>Just move to Brisbane, it's got things going for it.
brah ur fuckin delusional i've seen the sanitised and pathetic spectacle that is the "cultural precinct" of brisbane and its a mess
sure goma is ok but the museum is bleugh and the library is too and its right next to that big dumb ferris wheel lol
i dunno why brisbane put all of its "culture things" in such close proximity it really kills the vibe of the city

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:02:30 2014 No.4570276

>>4568359
>Howard Arkley
yer he's pretty cool
>Albert Tucker
haven't heard of him
>Jeffrey Smart
shit version of hopper
>Brett Whiteley
shit version of "quirky and unstable artist" archetype
>Ben Quilty
>shit version of jenny saville?? i dunno fuck this tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:04:30 2014 No.4570277 >>4570237 b-but... pootur jakzun! Wo'bout Pootur jakzon!? WHAT ABOUT POOTUR JAKZON! YOR HURTING ME!

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:12:04 2014 No.4570293

Is there anything we can do to improve our cultural scene, Australia?
I'm a filmmaker and was looking at moving overseas. But someone in another thread inspired me not to abandon the country, and rather take the challenge of improving it.

Can you imagine being at the forefront of an internationally respected New Australian cultural movement? In 100 years they might talk about us the same way we talk about Cassavetes or Trufaut.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:14:04 2014 No.4570297 >>4570293 just keep creating encourage others to do the same

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:15:04 2014 No.4570299 >>4570293 kill yourself if you think truffaut isn't pleb garbage

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:15:04 2014 No.4570301 >>4570293 >you are the first to think/do that do your research, there is so many examples of individuals or groups who pushed/are pushing different things in new directions. i think our culture is actually very vibrant, just know where to look.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:16:04 2014 No.4570304

>>4570293
>Can you imagine being at the forefront of an internationally respected New Australian cultural movement?
yeah its sexy af but like really how many cool smart friends do you have?
like most ppl here seem content to hang out in their art/writing/whatever cliques and circlejerk each other instead of going out and doing big shit shown to other ppl
why os this attitude so prevalent?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:16:04 2014 No.4570305 >>4570293 Well I'm with you, m80, lets fucking do this!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:17:04 2014 No.4570308 >>4570304 Because us ausfags are complacent and comfortable, and we don't know what it's like to really work hard. Therefore nothing gets done.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:18:04 2014 No.4570310 >matthew reilly

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:18:04 2014 No.4570311

>>4570299
Stay hostile bro.
Sure the New Wave has been taken up by pseudo intellectual entry level 'hipster' types as the paragon of modern art - but that doesn't diminish it for what it is; and hey, you might not like him but we're talking about him aren't we? His influence is undeniable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:20:04 2014 No.4570314 >>4570304 I have 3 like minded friends. Want to join our collective? We all get sushi together after our club meetings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:22:05 2014 No.4570320 >>4570314 >We all get sushi together after our club meetings. hope ur joking lol but i dunno i'd be interested in at least meeting you if you're in melbs

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:22:05 2014 No.4570321 File: 38 KB, 417x288, Fear and Trembling Intesifies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4570314 >collective >sushi >club

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:23:05 2014 No.4570322

>>4570301
Yeah I mean I figured I hadn't been the first to think like this, I'm not that egotistical. But then again I see very little evidence of experimentation (outside of maybe theatre) that perhaps I feel justified in thinking that I am original.

That being said, like the other guy said, this nation is so complacent, everyone I've worked with is a settler - very little artistic ambition within the industry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:23:05 2014 No.4570326 >>4570310 is that the dude who wrote that fucking book where killer whales wanted to kill them or some shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:24:05 2014 No.4570328 >>4570326 Nah man, that was Moby Dick

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:24:05 2014 No.4570329 >>4570326 holy fuk i highly reccomend u read him its like sub-fanfiction action shit very bad

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:24:05 2014 No.4570331 >>4570322 >very little artistic ambition within the industry. i doubt that i just think there isnt enough resources or funding to promote avant-garde-esque work

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:25:04 2014 No.4570333 >>4570328 nah not moby dick dude i swear it was set in antarctica or some cold ass place and all these water animals wanted em ded >>4570329 i read it when i was like 16 but i forgot like all of it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:26:04 2014 No.4570335 >>4568454 >autists believing this it's 99 tied with america look it up idiots

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:26:04 2014 No.4570338 File: 259 KB, 1600x1250, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4570331 When has there ever been funding for that type of stuff? Avant Garde is almost by definiton exclusively underground.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:27:04 2014 No.4570341

>>4570331
>very little artistic ambition within the industry.
nah this is legit, i go to an art school (yer whatever lol) and barely anybody in my class gives a fuck about getting real exhibitions etc and just doing legit shit
like they "want to pass" which is just fucking ridiculous becuse like enjoy ur arts degree lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:29:04 2014 No.4570344 >>4570341 This. The industry is dominated, not by people who are passionate by art, but by people who simply suck at everything else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:30:04 2014 No.4570347 >>4570338 i mean only the most mainstream of works will ever be discovered there arent any groups or subcultures dedicated to creating non-mainstream works >>4570341 thats one class though

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:32:04 2014 No.4570354

>>4570341
I've been thinking about going to an art school, but I keep getting put off by the attitudes prevalent there, like what you just talked about. But I'm not sure if I'm just letting myself be blindly guided by social stigma...

What is art school reeeaally like, anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:32:04 2014 No.4570356 >>4570347 >thats one class though it's been 8 different subjects w/ entirely different classes so far and it still seems to be the same maybe its just my school but ppl i've met from other ones seem to be the same

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:33:20 2014 No.4570362

>>4570347
>i mean only the most mainstream of works will ever be discovered
>there arent any groups or subcultures dedicated to creating non-mainstream works

yeah... that was my point.
That's why I suggested that we start actually establishing these underground collectives.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:33:27 2014 No.4570360 >>4570356 well if thats the case i highly doubt its exclusive to australians

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:34:20 2014 No.4570364 >>4569993 Fuck having to read this in highschool, I'm pretty sure it brought my IQ down by 10 points from just skimming it.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:35:08 2014 No.4570368

>>4570354
i love it but a lot of the actual school is shit, like crap teachers etc but there's the occasional jem
i think its main benefit is being paid by the government to dedicate A LOT of your time to improving your artistic practice and learning new things and having access to studios and ppl who work "in the industry"
plus it means u can teach lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:35:08 2014 No.4570370 >>4570364 the dude who played the tv character is the blonde haired surfie kid on puberty blues lel the last episode showed him shooting H

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:35:20 2014 No.4570367 >>4569996 This, it's too easy to take it easy here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:36:08 2014 No.4570374 File: 34 KB, 300x241, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4570360 Maybe not exclusive, but it is certainly a cultural thing. The laid back Australian stereotype is not a compliment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:36:08 2014 No.4570375 >>4570362 DA AUSSIE BOIZ PATRICIAN CREW

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:39:06 2014 No.4570380 >>4570375 It's sarcasm like this that is a product of our Tall Poppy syndrome state and the exact reason why we will never progress culturally and artistically as a nation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:40:06 2014 No.4570384 >>4570208 Only two decent books in the whole lot, picnic at hanging rock and shantaram.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:41:06 2014 No.4570387 >>4570380 lol chill out son it was a joke i think u take 4chan too seriously

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:41:06 2014 No.4570389 >>4570329 It was really depressing trying to reread his work during uni and discovering this. It was so good back in highschool fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:44:07 2014 No.4570392 >>4570387 We don't have enough people taking shit seriously. Everything's a fucking joke. You're not allowed to show sincerity. I'm in a mood,

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:44:07 2014 No.4570394

No mention of David Malouf yet?

Highly recommended:

Ransom -- a re-imagining of Priam's journey to request Hector's body from Achilles. Poignant and powerful, the story does the myth great justice and contributes to its persistence in a modern way that most of us will understand (even the non-Classics inclined folks).

Remembering Babylon -- a look at early colonial Australia and the inevitable conflict between the colonisers and the indigenous people from a unique perspective (the 'black' white man / hybridity). Malouf is master of the inner voice in this story, displaying empathy, sympathy and an acute awareness of emotion.

I had to read Malouf in high school but, as with many high school novels, I was generally uninterested in it all. It took me almost a decade to recognise the quality and brilliance of his writing, although I have by no means read all his novels.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:45:06 2014 No.4570395
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>>4570380
na its because i n all my aussie peers are in a state of perpetually throwing another shrimp on a barbeque

who needs progress when you have all the shrimp you could ever eat?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:46:06 2014 No.4570399 >>4570394 apparently some of his work is influenced by heidegger, or so my lit professor had me believe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:49:06 2014 No.4570405 >>4570368 >being paid by the government >it means you can teach I haven't heard about thisss... Tell me more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:52:06 2014 No.4570412 >>4570405 oh i just mean you're eligable for good centrelink stuff, especially if you're living away from home (relocation bonuses, start up scholarships etc) and like afaik most art schools will let u teach undergrads if u have a bfa

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:55:06 2014 No.4570415 >>4570412 not bad. not bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 00:59:07 2014 No.4570427 >>4570237 New Zealander here, can confirm. Not really big on much NZ lit to be honest. It tends towards the dour and tedious.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:19:06 2014 No.4570486

>>4567777
They are literally the scum of the earth.
Where did Great Britain send its trash?
Australia
The fuckers who lived there didn't even know how to build a boat.
It's a shit hole.
It's where we should send all gays, liberals, blacks, mexicans, asians, and anyone else who doesn't have an iphone and an internet connection. Then we can use it to test nukes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:23:06 2014 No.4570501 >>4570486 >>>/pol/ you degenerate scum

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:29:06 2014 No.4570508 >>4570486 take your opinion back to /pol/ mate,

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:32:06 2014 No.4570512 >>4567777 The entirety of Australia has a population a little higher than New York, how much do you expect?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:32:06 2014 No.4570513 >>4570486 >anyone else who doesn't have an iphone Steve Jobs, get back in your grave.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:33:06 2014 No.4570514 >>4570174 First Fleet represent

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:37:06 2014 No.4570519

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voss_%28novel%29
This book is 21st on Piero Scaruffi's list of the best English novels of all time. I haven't read it but I like most of the other novels on his list so it can't be too bad. Also, According to Patrick's White Wikipedia page, he "is widely regarded as one of the most important English-language novelists of the 20th century", so there's that.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:39:06 2014 No.4570522

>>4570100
Just by the fact you say 'several centuries' makes me doubt your claims, barely over two centuries.

>violent racism
Happens with every country, I wouldn't say Australia is particularly notable for it though.

>systematic genocide
I actually studied this myth. Disease, as with every first contact, was the major killer; violent conflict was a minority by far.

>institutionalised oppression
See >violent racism

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:41:08 2014 No.4570527 >>4570100 They're essentially the African-Americans of Australia with more culture and connection to the land.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:41:08 2014 No.4570528 >>4570512 23 million

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:42:08 2014 No.4570529

>>4570522
Disease was the primary killer of natives almost everywhere, pretty much. Here in Hawaii, 90% of the native population died within just a couple decades of contact with the Europeans. During that time, there were only a handful of European ships who visited. Disease was a major issue back then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:42:08 2014 No.4570531 >>4570519 >scaruffi lol

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:42:08 2014 No.4570532

>>4570522
>systematic genocide
>Disease, as with every first contact, was the major killer; violent conflict was a minority by far.
What was the stolen generations holy shit.

Also who gives a fuck if every other country has a history of brutality? Does that make it ok? Does that nullify the consequences?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:43:06 2014 No.4570535 >>4570529 they got their own back by spearing cook i snorkelled at the exact place he died recently

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:45:06 2014 No.4570537 >>4570529 I'm talking about the policy of eugenics Australia had less than 75 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:53:06 2014 No.4570550 >>4570532 Are you saying the stolen generation was primarily about genocide?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:54:06 2014 No.4570552 >>4570532 No, but it makes it a helluva lot more understandable and acceptable. Nothing is perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:55:06 2014 No.4570557 >>4570550 Yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 01:57:06 2014 No.4570564 >>4570557 m8 u evr seen rabbit proof fence?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:02:06 2014 No.4570573 >>4570557 I'm going to assume you haven't actually read about the event. Equating assimilation to genocide is nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:03:06 2014 No.4570574 >>4570564 What's your point? It was the systematic breeding out of an entire culture. It was eugenics. How is that not genocide?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:04:06 2014 No.4570577 >>4570574 >breeding out >killing pick one

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:04:06 2014 No.4570578 >>4570573 Assimilation to the point at which the original race no longer exists? Sounds like genocide.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:07:06 2014 No.4570584

>>4570577
How dense are you?
You don't need to physically one-on-one murder each individual member of the race for it to be considered genocide. It is the deliberate and systematic destruction of an ethnic group. Selectively breeding out a significant number of half-caste and full blood aboriginals to the point where there is no Aboriginality left is genocide.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:08:06 2014 No.4570585 >>4570584 and for good reason!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:08:06 2014 No.4570586 >>4570527 wat? They're the equivalent of Native Americans.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:49:27 2014 No.4570680

>>4570270
>>4568105
>>4568079
Well I like it :)
We get the free room40 gigs at the IMA with OPN and Tim Hecker and Merzbow, and that's more than enough for me.

I 'lived' in west-end too, but now I'm living on the Sunshine Coast. I don't rec the south-side, although I like it just because it's there, it's just really nice to have it there.

Also, Brisbane has Paddington and Paddington is king.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 02:57:28 2014 No.4570695 >>4570680 >Merzbow dam ok thats pretty cool not going to lie

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:02:27 2014 No.4570702

>>4570695
It's insanely cool, they serve free alcohol there before and after people play as well. Free alcohol.
I even had one of the people serving it offer some to me while I was only 17, it was ridiculous.

Brisbane is great, and the country is such an open and free place to make things. I never used to like Australia that much but over the past couple of years it's really grown on me and I absolutely love living here now. It's so easy and free.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:05:27 2014 No.4570713 >>4570702 >I never used to like Australia that much but over the past couple of years it's really grown on me and I absolutely love living here now. It's so easy and free. this is a very depressing sentence as cool as free beer and noise music may be

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:12:27 2014 No.4570722

>>4570713

>this is a very depressing sentence

Not really when you consider just how violent the rest of the world is. Yes, we may be a culturally devoid shithole, but we're a relatively safe shithole.

I'd much rather deal with abbos and fuckwit bogans in worst case scenarios than any of the gang chaos in America. Fuck that noise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:15:32 2014 No.4570726 >>4570702 Melbourne here, fuck you, just fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:16:27 2014 No.4570727 >>4570722 >gangs in america nothing but hot air, just as we think gangs are a big problem in murrica, they think we ride kangaroos to work neither are true

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:21:28 2014 No.4570735 >>4570726 hmmm i'd pass up the music etc in brisbane for the art (and food and general vibe) of melbourne still a bit jelly tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:21:28 2014 No.4570736 >>4570727 'American gangs are responsible for an average of 48% of violent crime in most jurisdictions, and up to 90% in other jurisdictions.' Yeah, not true at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:24:27 2014 No.4570741 >>4570736 >citation needed

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:26:27 2014 No.4570743 >>4570741 1. "National Gang Threat Assessment, Emerging Trends". U.S. National Gang Intelligence Center. 2011. p. 9. 2. Johnson, Kevin (2009-01-29). "FBI: Burgeoning gangs behind up to 80% of U.S. crime". USA Today.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:28:27 2014 No.4570750 >>4570736 >'bogans, islanders and druggies are responsible for an average of 48% of violent crime in most jurisdictions, and up to 90% in other jurisdictions.' see what I did there the gangs are not any worse

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:30:27 2014 No.4570754 >>4570727 >>gangs in america >nothing but hot air Do you suffer from genuine mental retardation or is this one of those lol gotcha moments?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:31:27 2014 No.4570755 >>4570578 Yeah, if your a left-wing SJW.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:33:27 2014 No.4570758 >>4570754 >butthurt american

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:33:27 2014 No.4570759 >>4570755 Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:35:28 2014 No.4570764 >>4570574 >eugenics applied to Aboriginals >bad

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:41:32 2014 No.4570776

>>4570758

I'm an ausfaggot. You're just a blindly speculating cunt.

The Americans I've met have always been chill people, and there are a lot of interesting aspects to their country, but anyone who'd say that there isn't a gang problem in a country that has a prison system large enough to practically qualify as a very sizable additional state is fucking fooling themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:44:27 2014 No.4570782 >>4570776 So as I said, since you are an ausfaggot you are just falling for the stereotypes about how prolific gangs are in america. I knew you were an aussie all along chump, baited XD

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:51:32 2014 No.4570797 >>4570782 >you are just falling for the stereotypes There are citations linked in this very thread. Don't be a tard, m8.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:53:33 2014 No.4570802 >>4570797 meet >>4570750

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:57:32 2014 No.4570810 >>4570802 >this ham-fisted analogy is the same as a verifiable citation

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 03:59:32 2014 No.4570815 >>4570810 exactly, the burden of proof is on you to find a citation that clearly states that american gangs are worse than what we have here go ahead, I'm waiting

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 04:07:24 2014 No.4570830 >>4570815 >1. "National Gang Threat Assessment, Emerging Trends". U.S. National Gang Intelligence Center. 2011. p. 9.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 04:25:18 2014 No.4570874 >>4570830 >find a citation that clearly states that american gangs are worse than what we have here It's like your so mindless you don't even read the people who reply to you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 04:50:23 2014 No.4570918 >>4570874 You're either baiting or you're the biggest fucking moron on this board right now. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume baiting.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 04:51:19 2014 No.4570920

>>4570815

Hey I'm >>4570743 sorry it took so long to get back.

The fact that Australia doesn't even have a National Gang Intelligence Center speaks of its lower crime rates. It's difficult to compare exact crimes, but I'll try.

My sources for AU crime are
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1301.0~2012~Main%20Features~National%20crime%20statistics~63

and

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1301.0~2012~Main%20Features~National%20crime%20statistics~63

To quote:

In 2010, the Australian victimisation rates recorded by police for selected person offence categories were:
Murder, 1.0 victims per 100,000 persons
Attempted murder, 0.9 victims per 100,000 persons
Manslaughter, 0.1 victims per 100,000 persons
Sexual assault, 79.5 victims per 100,000 persons
Kidnapping/abduction, 2.7 victims per 100,000 persons
Robbery, 56.0 victims per 100,000 persons.

From what I can find, the US has:
470% more homicide (4.7)
200% more Robbery (113.7)
480% more assault (241.1)

Here's another example: in Australia, 2009, four people were killed in a week due to gang violence. This was a heightened level of gang violence in the country. If we take (at the LOWEST rate) half of all murders in 2009 in the US to be gang-related, an average of 148 gang-related homicides occured every week. If we scale that down for population, that's 14 per week.

But really, gangs in the US are all just hot air; you're right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 05:00:18 2014 No.4570931 >>4567793 Getting back to the topic on hand Australia punches above its weight on a global scale: we have a smaller population and GDP than the one state of California and yet still manage to have continual global cultural influence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 05:37:07 2014 No.4570974 >>4567794 >BEING SO FAR REMOVED FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD, AND POSTING IN AN INHOSPITABLE MANNER, AS A TRIPFAG, EFFECTS YOU IN A SUBCONSCIOUS MANNER, MAKING YOU OVERLY ELITIST, SPENDING YOUR ENERGY SOLELY ON PRESERVING & MAINTAINING YOUR EGO.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 06:23:43 2014 No.4571062 >>4570112 you forget the holocaust that was the Emu War, where several birds lost their lives RIP emus

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 06:46:40 2014 No.4571105
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>>4570100
I spent a night in the Valley (in brisbane you faggot) with the resident abos there. I was off my tits but i remember hearing (or saying im not sure) the word 'uluru' repeatedly and then talking about marijuana for like 3hrs. when i woke i was sharing a blanket with 4 of them.
I dont think I was raped but I cant be sure

tl;dr abos are alright

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 07:36:40 2014 No.4571166

>>4570735
>>4570726
I'm sorry, just move up here, there's room for everyone!
I've been to Melbourne and I'd have to stick with Brisbane, Melbourne does have a good 'general vibe', but Brisbane just feels so much more open, and the art here is just as incredible.

plus, omg driving a car in Victoria is absolutely the worst

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 09:35:51 2014 No.4571368 >>4571062 10/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 09:56:51 2014 No.4571409 >>4567953 >Nick Cave is also a good novelist m8. And he wrote the screenplay and soundtrack to The Proposition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUVsDy0sc3k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAQDJ1uaX0w

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:03:35 2014 No.4571968 >>4570208 >Tim Winton >Decent I'd rather drown myself.

Anonymous Sat Feb 15 14:16:35 2014 No.4572017
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>>4570529
Imagine dragging your malnourished surly drunken metal clad syphilis infested ass ashore and just watching people perish from your very presence. Now that's what being white is all about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 20:32:39 2014 No.4573182 >>4571166 >omg driving a car in Victoria is absolutely the worst the best part is you just dont have to drive EVER!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 00:13:36 2014 No.4573695 >>4572017 muh whiiite gilt

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 04:15:26 2014 No.4574048 >>4573695 I meant it in a good way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 04:30:54 2014 No.4574073 >>4567790 I can't understand why anyone would like her, being Australian.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 04:30:54 2014 No.4574074 File: 2.50 MB, 1462x2244, 9780143009580.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm Aussie and this is probably the only Aussie book I've ever read lol. I liked it alot. Good story and themes and structure etc (I had to write an essay on it).

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 05:55:58 2014 No.4574186 This video is only a small exaggeration of the type of people who exist in most Australian communities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmL72sgVdAQ&list=UUkHPqmBsJkws8HbPP1cd_NA&feature=c4-overview

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 07:50:59 2014 No.4574301 >>4570100 >You don't think several centuries of violent racism, systematic genocide and institutionalised oppression has anything to do with it? no i dont just look at them sorry

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 08:04:58 2014 No.4574316 u have howtobasic what else do u need assholes

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 08:17:59 2014 No.4574343 >>4574186 Even before clicking the link I knew it was going to be CIGGYBUTTBRAIN Australia's first truly viral video? Seen it now on Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, and on Counter-Strike servers...

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 08:22:58 2014 No.4574351 >>4574343 >and on Counter-Strike servers you do know that it's 2014 right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 08:23:58 2014 No.4574353 >>4574351 CS GO is currently having some sort of revival, since Steam put it on for $2.50, introduced a few new weapons etc. Last patch was released yesterday. Public Australian servers are still full.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 08:26:59 2014 No.4574359 File: 994 KB, 340x196, Q8PTR4D.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4574353 >Public Australian servers are still full i think you know what to do fuck off

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:52:35 2014 No.4576176 >>4569862 >>4569856 They are something like less than 1% of the population now, even presuming massive IQ differences they wouldn't change it that much

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:55:33 2014 No.4576186 >>4570150 Yeah the difference was unlike say, india or the falklands there was very little in the way of native population relative to space. Hence most of the population of Australia circa 1914 was of british descent and considered themselves as such.

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 20:58:33 2014 No.4576197

>>4570269
>>4570230
>>4570223
Really though if the guy would just have the gonads to rescind the convention the fucking lefties on my facebook would have no leg other than muh feelings to stand on with this shit.

Don't get me wrong I strongly dislike the guys policies but there are bigger issues than a few thousand boat people that both sides are so caught up on and it'd be nice to have a final solution to it seeming that it really matters jack shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 21:11:34 2014 No.4576221 >ctrl+f >no Colleen McCullough You all deserve to fucking die in a fire. And yes, I am the McCullough fanatic. Fucking die you shitskin sacks of cuntnugget dingleberry pond scum. You are all too stupid to breathe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 21:45:21 2014 No.4576305 File: 72 KB, 876x584, marguerite yourcenar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4576221 Stay emotional, you subpar reader.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 22:13:07 2014 No.4576374 >>4570427 How about that new zealand writer who just won a big literary award? what are your thoughts on her?

Anonymous Sun Feb 16 22:27:07 2014 No.4576402

>>4570776
Sure we have gang violence in America. But its not as you imagine it. Most of us who frequent this board will never experience gangs because if you're of a certain socio-economic status (white lol) you wont live anywhere near crime. On top of that, crime has been declined drastically in the last two decades so seems ridiculous to say that americans live in an unsafe country.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 03:59:13 2014 No.4577276 >country has only been inhabited for less than 200 years >only 20 million people on the country.

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