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At what age did you grow out of Nietzsche?

>> No.4597525

>>4597518
I was never in him in the first place.

>> No.4597533

Nietzsche more like Nietzshit

>> No.4597535

>>4597518
>>4597525
>>4597533
samefag

>> No.4597537

>>4597518
17 or 18

>> No.4597538

>>4597518
>>4597525
>>4597533
>>4597535
>>4597537
samefag

>> No.4597543

>>4597518
>>4597525
>>4597533
>>4597535
>>4597537
>>4597538
samefag

>> No.4597590

>>4597535
>>4597518
>>4597533
>>4597538
>>4597543

The shitposters are really out in droves tonight

>> No.4597591

Growing into what exactly?

>> No.4597593

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>> No.4597595

>>4597518
21

>> No.4597599

Nietzsche more like NEETshit

>> No.4597884

I was never into his work, seems juvenile.

>> No.4597889

I didn't. I still think he has some quite interesting ideas. I don't need to swallow a methodology hook line and seek to still find some redeeming aspects worth keeping in mind. But no, I could not imagine anyone actually living a life as he prescribes it. In that way, you could say it's an adolescent fantasy, but I think even Nietzsche would be the first to tell you not to always, if at all, take him literally.

>> No.4597897

The irony about Nietzsche is how he always harped on about being an ubermensch, when he himself was a massive betamensch

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>>4597897
#shotsfired

>> No.4597905

>>4597897
>Beta calling Nietzsche beta

OK

>> No.4597906

>>4597897
It's not that big of an irony. I don't think he ever described himself as an ubermensch. It was more as a general goal for humanity. Do we want to be more like the ubermensch or the last man? One of the subtleties I think Nietzsche didn't grasp though was that a society full of ubermensch's would be anarchy. The last man he so despises is what allows him and people like him to spend t heir time writing instead of working down the mines.

>> No.4597910

It never fails to irk me how much people fail to understand Nietzsche, he's documenting a phenomena occuring within individuals, he is not telling you to be an ubermensch, he is showing you what an ubermensch looks like, and how they come about.

it is like a origin of species for the mind

>> No.4597912

>>4597906
>It was more as a general goal for humanity.
Should of practice what he preached.

>I think Nietzsche didn't grasp though was that a society full of ubermensch's would be anarchy. The last man he so despises is what allows him and people like him to spend t heir time writing instead of working down the mines.

I think that's exactly what he was getting at. It's how he justified his NEET behavior and not being any good with women. In the end he got dementia which is a sign of someone who hasn't exercised his/her mind enough during the course of their lives.

>> No.4597916

>>4597910
That makes no sense. Nearly all his works emphasize individual will and choice. Why would he try to be so inspirational if all he was doing was describing an unobtainable superior state of being

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4597927

>>4597916
It's not unobtainable. It is something almost like light positive eugenics, within the very, very first sentence of Thus Spoke Zarathustra -- 'Three metamorphoses of the spirit do I designate to you: how the spirit becometh a camel, the camel a lion, and the lion at last a child.' -- that alone incorporates the symbology of domination of an environment in the western context. In fact, it is so darwinian that you could call this evolution of the spirit.

Nietzsche later goes on to express Schopes passive nihilism which I won't get into because I have rambled long enough, as well as positive nihilism -- both states that one can sustain until death. Ubermenschen are built to dominate people -- because after the lion comes the child, and with the child comes power.

>> No.4597932

>>4597912

Slander. And mental breakdown isn't as simple as "someone who hasn't exercised his mind". You honestly don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You pretty much held up a giant sign that said "I'm a fucking tool, please disregard my opinion".

>> No.4597933

>>4597927
No I don't think so. If you wanted to talk to start talking about eugenics or any kind of 'darwinism' the name of the game is breeding. And Nietzsche's own lack of virility certainly had a beaing on his philosophy. The way I read it, it almost advises against having children altogether via a kind of pure individual self actualization. Something that notoriously is put on hold with the raising of children. How could such a thing be in anyway a kind of eugenics if it does not further its power through breeding?

>> No.4597935

>>4597933
> to start talking about eugenics or any kind of 'darwinism' the name of the game is breeding.
This just shows how limited your understanding of the word eugenics is. Furthermore, I didn't use the word darwinism at any point insofar. If you really think Nietzsche -- a classical philologist, would compromise his writing because boo hoo, he couldn't bear kids, yet at the same god damn time writing about the mental evolution of certain people.

I'm not even going to cont here, I don't think you kno ur neet chuh

>> No.4597938

>>4597932
You obviously enjoy his 'philosophy' and aren't amused how I ridiculed him so. I'm sorry you relate to him, that's all I can say.

>> No.4597939

Are there any translations of Nietzsche that use modern English? I really want to read his stuff but i can't get into the old English writing.

>> No.4597943

>>4597933
You seem to be projecting an awful lot onto a single quote. Are you trying to say that mental evolution can be a kind of positive feedback loop, where each stage contains the mechanisms to dominate the future one? It depends if you want to talk about the individual or society. My point was that it's more a recessive characteristic. However much Nietzsche would much like to chastise those operating under a slave morality, society is built on it for a reason. He offers no other construction of a society. So how practical is it really for anyone to follow?

>> No.4597944

>>4597939
A Nietzsche Reader is a good place to start. It has a good selection of everything, is relatively short, and you can get it cheaply. From there you can progress to that which intrigues you.

>> No.4597945

>>4597939
Just browse /b/ (specifically baww threads and hurr durr i'm a psychopathic genius threads) and you'll end up with approximately what you're after.

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4597946

probably around 13 when I read Kierkegaard but I'd like to "grow into him" again
my memories of Nietzsche are scattered, Zarathustra and some of his aphorisms maybe from Beyond Good and Evil
I like Birth of Tragedy tho he tries too hard to be scholarly; maybe I'll read The Antichrist

>>4597912
he most likely had some sort of inherited mental problems
filtered etc

>> No.4597947

>>4597939
I found this (audiobook) to be a really great introduction to him. http://www.audible.com/pd/Nonfiction/The-Will-to-Power-The-Philosophy-of-Friedrich-Nietzsche-Audiobook/B00DJ7H7FC

>> No.4597951

>>4597944
>>4597947
I'm interested in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, btw

>> No.4597955

At what age did Nietzsche grow out his mustache?

>> No.4597956

>>4597951
if its in english its good enough. read the words. you know what the words mean. put them together and use ur brain. there is nothing complex about it

>> No.4597966

>>4597956
For ten years hast thou climbed hither unto my cave: thou wouldst have
wearied of thy light and of the journey, had it not been for me, mine
eagle, and my serpent.

But we awaited thee every morning, took from thee thine overflow and
blessed thee for it.

Lo! I am weary of my wisdom, like the bee that hath gathered too much
honey; I need hands outstretched to take it.

I would fain bestow and distribute, until the wise have once more become
joyous in their folly, and the poor happy in their riches.

Therefore must I descend into the deep: as thou doest in the
evening, when thou goest behind the sea, and givest light also to the
nether-world, thou exuberant star!

Like thee must I GO DOWN, as men say, to whom I shall descend.

Bless me, then, thou tranquil eye, that canst behold even the greatest
happiness without envy!

>i want to know if there is a version that has been rewritten to a more modern translation

>> No.4597967

How much did his personal life influence his writings? Did Russell have a point when he called them power fantasies?

>> No.4597972

>>4597518

You don't, anon.

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>>4597897

omg my oh, u so enlightening. i no need to read nietsche, i read u i will ubermenschen bekommen, u su wize u make me claudy

>> No.4597976

>>4597518
Never, because I'm not a retarded christfag

>> No.4597979

>>4597912

ooo nooo! this is die gospel, words of truth! much sharp, very knowledge.

more holy than abrahamis promise. plz teach me based magus.

>> No.4597980

>>4597897
>talking shit on Nietzsche
>implying anyone can't do that

The irony about Anon is he always harps on Nietzsches irony, when he himself is a massive faggot

>> No.4597983

>>4597966
No, because it's written literally to parody religious texts

>> No.4598016

>>4597973
>>4597979
You ok there mate? It's OK you can enjoy Nietsche, he was fairly insightful for his time (which was over a century ago).

>> No.4598028

>>4598016

>>4598016

im fine bro, thx thanks for asken. ncie job construing.

>> No.4598300

>>4597897
Intellectually he was no beta, he was the most alpha fucker with a pen to ever exist. Just look at all the other philosophical systems and peoples he bulldoze'd right over while establishing his own philosophy.

>> No.4598307

>tfw I was convinced for several months that I was ubermensch
>tfw I realize I was just autistic

>> No.4598311

>>4597966
http://heidigustafson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Nietzsche-Thus-Spoke-Zarathustra.pdf

>> No.4598324

>Most people hating on Nietzsche haven't even read him and only have some vague idea about the death of God and the Ubermensch.
Every time, /lit/.

>> No.4598345

>>4597951
You should get the Graham Parkes translation of TSZ. Kaufmann and Hollingdale are outdated.

>> No.4598365

>>4598016
And religious people.. weren't

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>>4598324
>/lit/
>being informed before arguing

It's the same how many atheists understand the bible much more thoroughly than most christians

>> No.4598374

nietzsche is an easy target because of all the autistic weirdos who take this philosophy as some kind of moral code or something but in actuality he has interesting ideas and wrote some cool stuff

>> No.4598394

i don't think anyone itt has read nietzsche

>> No.4598434

I was like 15

>> No.4598435

Read about half of his work, don't see how you could grow out of it. He covers a variety of topics which have influenced both analytic philosophy and the continental school. Personally I like his ideas of the language and its' relationship to ''truth'' and aesthetic purpose of life.

Lit is full of autitic posers whose idea of Nietzsche's work is vague at best. He was one of the last commonly accepted great philosophers, so I wouldn't count his ideas as old fashioned either. Russell, Heidegger and Wittgenstein are the latest important ones, and he influenced every one of them highly.

>> No.4598466

The problem with Nietzsche is that unlearned hipsters read his bullshit without a proper fundation in the Greeks and Christianity, misinterpret his thoughts and make him seem to be an edgemaster.

>> No.4598469

>>4598466
Except he despised Christianity and even put a lot of greek philosophy to shame (see how he derides Euclides in some of his work)

>> No.4598537

>>4598469
He did, but it is important to understand Christianity and Greek philosophy in order to understand his attacks on them.

>> No.4598562

nietzche had the strength of 10 men and kicked down nerds sand castles at the beach

>> No.4599333

>>4598562
did eh realy do that

>> No.4599586

>>4598311
>http://heidigustafson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Nietzsche-Thus-Spoke-Zarathustra.pdf
thanks my nig

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4599857

just saw this thread, I recently started reading Zarathustra and I finally found this book I have been looking for. It's basically a really in depth analysis of Zarathustra. Check it out guys

http://avaxhome.cc/ebooks/science_books/philosophy/0300044305.html

>> No.4599886

>2014
>"growing out " of Nietzsche because you are too stupid to understand him as the last Platonist in western history

>> No.4599887

>>4599857
read this
http://es.scribd.com/doc/191786678/Heidegger-Who-is-Nietzsches-zarathustra

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>>4599886
>idealist interpretation of Nietzsche
>2014

kek

>> No.4599901

After a few months. Then I reread him and discovered I'd completely misinterpreted him before, and am just again learning not to bring him up to semi-literary people because they'll probably have the same misconceptions about him I used to.

>> No.4600022

>>4599901
What are some of the things you realized you misunderstood.

I'm not asking looking to challenge you. I don't know enough about him myself.

>> No.4600049

Are you kidding me? that mustache? that style? that above par respect of good music? shit son Nietzsche is top tier 10/10.

I feel bad for anyone who thinks that they "grew out of Nietzsche", silly plebs.

>> No.4600058

>>4599901
He is pretty straightforward.

Nothing compared to Hegel or Lacan,

>> No.4600435

>>4597897
But Nietzsche = Zarathustra, and Zarathustra wasn't an ubermensch, just its prophet

>> No.4600486

>>4600049
>mentions everything other than nietzsche's philosophy
>10/10

>> No.4600494

Nietzsche is /lit/s dad.

>> No.4600498

>>4597599
have to admit i lol'd

>> No.4600508

6

>> No.4600534

I AM THE UBERMENSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.4600540

>>4600049
The only way I know Nietzsche has good music taste is that he almost threw up during a Wagner opera because it was so shitty

>> No.4600553

Upon discovering Schoppenhauer.

>> No.4600681

I am afraid to read any Nietzsche. I do not have too much free time, and the last time I read Neither I damn near drank myself into a coma.

Maybe I should read some Nietzsche tomorrow, god save me.

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>>4600681

man up son

>> No.4600719

>>4598394
I did read Thus Spake Zarathustra in high school. Enjoyable stuff. I liked how he choose a completely different form of writing than that of traditional (ie kantian) German philosophy. He sure is mind-refreshing.

>> No.4600720

One doesn't really grow out of Nietzsche in the same way that one doesn't really grow out of Plato, or grow out of Rumi. There are some writers that you constantly come back to, like wells of clean water that never run dry.

That said, in the end, you can't absolutely declare that any of these men have things exactly right, because of course they don't. It is up to you to forge a true path out of the wisdom of the ages.

Yes, this means you have to do actual work.

>> No.4600723

>>4600540
Or perhaps because he didn't agree with what he perceived as underlying Christian themes in that opera.

>> No.4600735

>>4600723
AND FASCISM WAGNER THAT FASCIST FUCK

>> No.4600737

>>4597518
He was somewhat of an idol from about 15-23 but then he became sort of a trusty mate that offers valuable insight but is also a bit of a shithead at times.

>> No.4600743

>>4599887
How do you remove the watermarks from the JSTOR article? I wanted to post some articles before, but they all have watermarks n shit.

>> No.4600750

>>4597884
>overturning metaphysics
>embracing the earth
>creating beyond yourself
>self-overcoming
>living an aesthetic life
>affirming life

How is any of this juvenile? No one who thinks Nietzsche is for edge-masters really understands Nietzsche.

>> No.4600753

Even in my young teens I was patrician enough to see how much of a pleb Nietzsche is.

>> No.4600762

>>4600750
No! On lit Nietzsche is juvenile and pleb. Your pleb is showing.

The correct response to anything about Nietzsche is saying that you outgrew him.

>> No.4600765

>>4597906
>anarchy

I don't know if you understand what that means.

In any case, the lion stage of the three metamorpheses is dangerous and can lead towards a dead-end of annihilation but the point of the ubermench is to one day turn from the persistent no, to the sacred yes, to become child again. To live in a world free from the dragon of thou shall and instead live in a world of play and wonder and physicality, truly living in the earth by one's one terms.

>> No.4600768

>>4597939
He only writes that way in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Just pick up a Kaufmann translation of The Gay Science or Beyond Good and Evil.

>> No.4600784

>>4600768
Don't bother with Nietzsche. Read a real philosopher that hasn't been disproven.

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4600790

>>4600784
0/10

>> No.4600809

>>4600553
Nietzsche is the next step from Schopenhauer though.

>> No.4600811

Does anyone who just writes Nietzsche off as "pleb-tier philosophy" have any conception of what he's actually doing in his thought? I mean, shit is radical. He's basically overturning two thousand years of philosophy.

>> No.4600813

>>4600723
It was actually because it was too loud and overbearing

>> No.4600819
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4600819

When I started reading this guy a little while ago. We are fucking doomed.

>> No.4600841

>>4597912
>Should of

>> No.4600888

I greatly respect Nietzsche. I appreciate what he was striving for.

Yet I do sometimes wonder about his descent into madness. Did it have a corporeal cause? Or did he stumble upon a truth so searing that his sanity was permanently burned away?

Or is the reverse true? Was he just so utterly wrong about things that his brain broke from the strain?

>> No.4600904

>>4600888
He had syphilis which makes you nuts

fuck off you romanticising fucker

>> No.4600921

>>4600904
The syphilis diagnosis is heavily contested and it is an accepted fact in modern psychiatry that stress can exacerbate and even precipitate the onset of mental illness. Schizophrenia, for example, appears to be genetic but also seems to be caused by certain environmental factors in early adulthood. It is not unreasonable to say that perhaps it was his attempt to resolve the tensions of philosophy which ultimately culminated in his descent into insanity.

>> No.4600934

>>4600888
>Or is the reverse true? Was he just so utterly wrong about things that his brain broke from the strain?
or perhaps it was cactuses? Piled on top of various breeds of equine? Can anyone really know for sure?

>> No.4601161

>>4599887
Thanks a lot for that link. I have a feeling Heidegger is..well, heideiggering Nietzsche in his comment. But that's still a greatly insightful and enjoyable thread.

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ITT: The Last Men talking about how edgy Uncle Frederick was and how mature they are for having no feels when reading Zarathustra.

>> No.4602893

>>4600888
Well back when I was hanging out with Nietzsche before his demise he was pretty pissed off. I do recall during one of his later sick spells (he had these often) he went on about the vulnerability of animals, and how they succumb to our strangest of wills.How they will never get the chance to enjoy many things that man can enjoy, and how they will never know from an outside perspective their own feeble conditions in life. He started to go on about our own condition in regards to being animals and such, but having downed my 4th gin by that time, I was in no mood for another one of his mental escapades.

I did get around to visiting him once at his sisters, but alas he was truly in a state of utter mental decay.

I do rather miss the o godless heretic.

>> No.4602901

>>4601161
Nietzsche is only valuable from a Heideggerian perspective.

He de-edgyfies him a lot.

>> No.4602917

>>4597518
>Nietzsche
I don't even know who this is

>> No.4602919

>>4602901
Stop being a beta, Nietzsche would punch you right square in the nose and take your girl by the waist and leaver the club in style. You know you would be sitting there sad, cold, alone. You and I both know you would be jelly of his swag.

>> No.4603279

I grew out of him when I started into philosophy more seriously, and I'm growing back into him now because I understand him more.

>> No.4603669

>growing into him in the first place

Must suck being born a Continental.

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>>4600750

>being this Continental
>being this pretentious
>being this - well - vile
I can practically smell the degeneracy through the computer screen.

>> No.4603704

>>4597518
>at what age did you grow out of x?

Ironic that the whole thread is the sort of pointless, ego-pandering, narcissistic circle-jerk that he would've despised. Just the memetic braying of crude children.

Too bad nobody got it.