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>read nietzsche
>people see i read nietzsche
>they think im smart and depressed
>i dont understand a single fuckin word the weirdo says but i try to make my way through it anyway

>> No.4694131

>>4694116
>>they think im smart and depressed
congrats you now know why people read Nietzsche

>> No.4694141

>>4694116
>i dont understand a single fuckin word the weirdo says but i try to make my way through it anyway

He's not that hard to understand. Try late Wittgenstein instead.

>> No.4694156

>>4694141
Oh please. "Muh red, muh can't know nuffinz, muh qualia, muh muhself"

>> No.4694154
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4694154

>"Isn't he a nazi?"
>"No. He actually despised anti-semites."
>"He was a nihilist though?"

>> No.4694178

hes sorta overrated anyway. Try The Gay Science. He's annoying to read since he's not very systematic and makes constant allusions/references you need to catch.

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>>4694156
Shhh hun. That's not wiggy stardust.

>> No.4694191

>>4694116
>i dont understand a single fuckin word the weirdo says

>What is good?--Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man. What is evil?--Whatever springs from weakness. What is happiness?--The feeling that power increases--that resistance is overcome.

Yeah man, this is all Greek to me. The problem is his words are too big.

>> No.4694799

>>4694191
>The problem is his words are too big.
the problem is that everything is metaphorical and is translated by people who aren't of english descent.

Best bet is to find a better translation or learn German

>> No.4694826

>>4694191
>What is good?--Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man. What is evil?--Whatever springs from weakness. What is happiness?--The feeling that power increases--that resistance is overcome.
Oh my, Nietzsche was the original pseudo-intellectual...

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> Smart and depressed :)
Implying Zarathustra is not like snorting coke. Did you even read it ?

>> No.4697285

>>4694116
>read nietzsche
>'oh, look at this pretentious faggot!'
I wouldn't read Nietzsche unless i get really bored and find nothing else to read though, so not much of a problem.

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>>4694156
>he doesn't know how to greentext

>> No.4700452

Neitzsche's early analysis of the death penalty was lucid and honest, I thought. Almost modern.

>> No.4700460

>>4694826
I really, really cannot understand why people would consider him their favorite philosopher.

>> No.4700542

>>4694116
>>i dont understand a single fuckin word the weirdo says but i try to make my way through it anyway
that's me with most philosophy books

>> No.4700569 [DELETED] 

>>4694154
nazi ≠ anti-semite

>> No.4700576

>>4694826
His statement is quite reasonable...

>> No.4700578

>>4694116

If you ever meet someone complaining about the "sheeple", that's your modern-day Nietzsche. He believes there ought to exist a group of supermen who exercise what he calls "master morality" instead of "slave morality". Master morality is dividing the world into good and bad. Slave morality divides the world into good and evil.

The implication is clear: "masters" of the world can and should do "good" things which are considered to be evil by others.

He's like the precursor to Objectivism and everything in that vein. I wouldn't take anything he has to say too seriously.

>> No.4700581

>>4694178
Nietzsche is the most pleasant to read of all philosophers, stemmy.

>> No.4700590

>>4700578
You haven't read him, he only uses the term master morality to old peoples and never prescriptively.

>> No.4700591

>Was ist gut? - Alles, was das Gefühl der Macht, den Willen zur Macht, die Macht selbst im Menschen erhöht.
>Was ist schlecht? - Alles, was aus der Schwäche stammt.
>Was ist Glück? - Das Gefühl davon, dass die Macht wächst, dass ein Widerstand überwunden wird.
It's very clear and makes complete sense in German. Maybe you're just reading bad translations.

>> No.4700595

>>4700578
nietzsche is much smarter and more analytical than objectivists and people who talk about sheeple and all that stuff. it is not licit to dismiss him by talking about stupid people who are similar to him in other ways. i don't know if any writer has been as poorly served by his public as nietzsche, fucking schmooks reading him like assholes

>> No.4700597

>>4700590

Yes I have read him and yes he does use master morality as a prescriptive moral framework for his ubermench.

When he talks about nihilism, he reasons the decline of culture towards nihilism is because the masters of society, the ubermench, are exercising their duties. That's his philosophy.

If it isn't, then explain to me what the ubermench actually are.

>> No.4700601

>>4700597

*are not exercising their duties

is what I meant.

>>4700595

Instead of pulling this pompous fuckery, how about you summarize what you think Nietzsche meant.

>> No.4700605

>reading Nietzsche
>why can't I hold all these revaluations

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>>4700605
Bourgeois humanism has perverted your mind

>> No.4702718

>>4700597
I was under the impression that ubermensch were simply people who affirmed life so much that they would live their same lives for all of eternity.

>> No.4702745

>read Nietzsche
>enter manic phase
every time
those fucking greeks

>> No.4702865

>>4694131
and no one goes on /lit/

>> No.4702871

>>4702865
and why*

>> No.4702916

>>4700597
pls read zarathustra

and you don't understand the full implications of the slave morality. the morality of the slave dresses itself in golden fleece and uses "values" like charity, goodness and the like to hide what is at its core a morality of complete hate and weakness. the slave who gains power can only think but to turn that power against those who he hates and envies. the master morality does not despise or hate what it considers "bad" and base itself entirely dependent upon what should be its inverse.

the master does what he will and does so with strength and conviction. he lives in such a way that defines morality.

the slave creates morality then subjects himself to such a binding state of affairs.

it's very easy to read nietzsche's overman as simply those who use power in its most brute sense and disregard everyone else purely for their own gain.

but that's too simple of a portrait and disregards the real joy and play at work in Nietzsche.

read the section on the three metamorphoses.

first their is the camel stage in which all of life's struggles and great pains are taken upon by someone determined to bear the brunt of all of life's hardness. they must feel the pain of all others, know of the world's dangers, know of its darkness. but one who does that forever will break eventually.

so the camel becomes a lion. the lion is most analogous to your simplistic view of overman. the lion breaks down all values and morals that constrict it. it lives in opposition to all that currently stands. it is a tearing down of all. but again, one cannot live a life of simply tearing down, of saying no. this is the chaos.

that is where the child stage comes, the stage of creating your world anew and living a life characterized by joy, by play. this is the dancing star.

Nietzsche is overwhelmingly optimistic.

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kek

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>>4702933

>> No.4702943

>>4694156
>muh muh!

Shitposting goes meta

>> No.4702949

>>4702933
This is pure Gelb.

>> No.4702962

>>4702940
Completely unfair. Still hilarious though

>> No.4702970

>>4694116

Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly: "I am looking for God! I am looking for God!"
As many of those who did not believe in God were standing together there, he excited considerable laughter. Have you lost him, then? said one. Did he lose his way like a child? said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? or emigrated? Thus they shouted and laughed. The madman sprang into their midst and pierced them with his glances.

"Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."

Here the madman fell silent and again regarded his listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern to the ground, and it broke and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time has not come yet. The tremendous event is still on its way, still travelling - it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds require time even after they are done, before they can be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the distant stars - and yet they have done it themselves."

It has been further related that on that same day the madman entered divers churches and there sang a requiem. Led out and quietened, he is said to have retorted each time: "what are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchres of God?"

ITS SO GOOD. I AM IN THIS MOMENT IRONICALLY AND SHAMELESSLY EUPHORIC.

>> No.4702975

>>4702970
Hey guys! Look! It's a meme! Good job good sir. *tips fedora*

>> No.4702978

>>4702970
yah that shit's legit awesome and i dont care who knows

>> No.4702981

>>4702970
>mean't to type unironically

I mean't to say that passage made me feel euphoric in the non-may may way.

>> No.4702984

>tfw you realise Nietzsche was a theist

>> No.4703006

>>4702984
How did you realize this?

>> No.4703008

>>4702981
You failed utterly.

>> No.4703011

>>4702981
>mean't

>> No.4703074

>>4700597
you think what comes next is a lion, but what Nietsche prescribes is to become a child again.

>> No.4703077

>>4702933
>>4702940
>The letter s

>> No.4703091

>>4702933
mildly funny writing but the art sucks

>> No.4703129

I'm with you OP

Nietszche's ideas are basic but brilliant.

But his fucking writing style is really bad. He's not a very good writer.

>> No.4703278

>>4703129
LOL

>> No.4703280

>>4703278
It's true, though.

>> No.4703284

>>4703278
>provides no actual counter argument

>> No.4703286

>>4703278
Most philosophers are a terrible bore to read. You've chosen one of the very very very few is not only exciting to read, but is an extremely gifted writer, and talked shit.

You're an idiot. Plain and simple. Sorry. Or if that hurts too much, just tell yourself you have bad taste.

>> No.4703290

>>4703286
this was meant for: >>4703280
i've drank a little :/

>> No.4703294

Nietzsche is plain entertaining to read, makes me laugh and has many witty things to say.
>MUH EDGYNESS EUPHORIA TEENAGE REBELLION
Is that the best you can do? Pathetic.

>> No.4703305

>>4703286
hes not a gifted writer at all

most of his work is ramblings and hard to follow

inb4 hurr u must be stupid if u cant follow it im smart

>> No.4703324

Nietzsche is the fucking worst.

>> No.4703328

>>4703290
Maybe stop drinking so much and you'll realize why his writing is so shitty.

>> No.4703335

>>4703286
entertaining =/= good writer

look at the shit thats popular atm...