Psychology

[Anonymous No.4696299]

Hi /lit/

What books you think are critical for through understanding of human behavior?

[Anonymous No.4696316]

>>4696299
Civilization and its Discontents

[Anonymous No.4696328]

Not Freud.

[Anonymous No.4696348]

>>4696299
Vygotsky and his contemporary Russians. Piaget. Get into psychology of perception. Also Freud and his heirs.

Skip the behaviorists. Contemporary psychology is shit it's a fad and doesn't say anything new.

[Anonymous No.4696350]

>>4696348
Evolutionary psychology*

[Anonymous No.4696377]

How to earn 500000000 dollars in 5 seconds.

[Anonymous No.4696378]

>>4696299
Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.4696387]

>>4696348
Freud is utterly irrelevant in modern psychology or cognitive science.

[Anonymous No.4696394]

>>4696387
Says you.

[Anonymous No.4696444]

Don't listen to these imbeciles dissing evo psych and promoting the pseudoscience of Freud et al.

Read The Blank Slate. Most people on this board won't like it because it doesn't conform to their worldview, but it's an exceptional book.

[Anonymous No.4696455]

>>4696444
Tabula rasa was proposed by Locke and is the main tenet of liberalism.

[Anonymous No.4696545]

[GymmanuelKant !NCCaLTlz1w No.4696561]

If you read Positive, Evo Psych Books you will get a decent, explanation of some recorded evidence concerning the behaviour of humans. These books treat humans and their minds like an object and therefore measure what has happened in these studious experiments.

If you can get past the fact that Psychoanalysis is not a science and hasn't claimed to be since Freud (who had every right to claim it as a science) then you will also find a rich and rewarding set of texts that will enlighten your view of human behaviour.

Do not take Freud at a pop-level. Oedipus Complex is not what it seems, and when it explained properly, it makes perfect sense. Then you have the language based psychoanalysts, such as Lacan - who present sociological, religious and psychotherapeutic information of a whole host of subjects.

If you want recommendations, then ask me - my main areas of knowledge are Freud, Laplanche, somewhat Zizek and other little bits here and there (Reich, Butler, Kristeva, Lacan, Guattari)

Ultimately, Freud is hard to penetrate without a clear understanding of his life, because it feeds into the genesis of his theories - the mistakes he made, the insight he gained, and the temporal logic that encases psychoanalysis.

Positive psychology, pills and CBT will ultimately be seen as a disgusting practice in a future where anti-intellectualism doesn't prevail.

[GymmanuelKant !NCCaLTlz1w No.4696563]

>>4696348
Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with Vygotsky and Piaget et all - could you give me an in? Seems interesting.

And yeah behaviourism is a fad.

[Anonymous No.4696569]

>>4696455
Radical doubt was proposed by Descartes and is the main tenet of atheism

[Anonymous No.4696628]

>>4696563
Piaget - The Psychology of the Child and
The Psychology of Intelligence

You might want to supplement with secondary lit as Piaget is a methodological autist and leaves no observation out of his books. Which made his findings easy to reproduce.

Vygotsky - mind in society and thinking and language.

Mind that the translations might be unreliable albeit still interesting theories.

[Anonymous No.4696655]

>>4696628
>>4696563
If you are after a short description of why these are interesting reads.

Piaget develops a theory of inner development of intelligence as an organisms 'inner' adaptation to its surroundings.

Vygotsky argues for the development of intelligence through learned external manipulation with tools (tools in the broad sense like language or a hammer) to reach objectives of activities.

They supplement each other well to reach a nuanced understanding of human intelligence and it's development if that interests you.

[Anonymous No.4697058]

>>4696545
>reading self-hating crypto-christian jew
Atleast start with Freud.

[Anonymous No.4697083]

the varieties of religious experience by william james

[Anonymous No.4697096]

>>4696561
>CBT will ultimately be seen as a disgusting practice in a future where anti-intellectualism doesn't prevail.

I know a pretty intelligent guy who swears by it. If you've got time... care to enlighten me?

[Anonymous No.4697452]

>>4696378
This. Beyond Good and Evil, Genealogy of Morals are two I've read that I can recommend highly.

[Anonymous No.4697694]

anything but psychology.

we acquire behavior in a collective milieu, not point in analyzing it outside of it.

sociology is your answer.

[Anonymous No.4697734]

>>4697452
Nietzsche talks more about macro analysis of the moral structure of society. And while that is something that needs to be thought about, there really isn't any sort of theories in there about how people work. Nietzsche lays down the foundation, and even tackles some basic socio-economic foundational principles in the second essay of the genealogy of morals, but for everything he is I would say he tries as hard as possible not to individualize people and their behavior.

I have been reading a Freud work recently though. And before you criticize me and tell me that Freud is out of date, I will say this book I am reading, The Interpretation of Dreams, is not only interesting, a lot of it is based on theory. And since science is not and ostensibly cannot be fully applied to the interpretation of anything, Freud successfully avoids science's obstinate glare and touches on some interpretations of external and internal stimuli. Great piece of work, that, and brimming with very interesting philosophical insights. Kind of like the 'Waking Life' of books.

[Anonymous No.4697895]

Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, babby's first psychology book.

[Anonymous No.4698591]

>>4697096
bumping for an answer on this point as well. I can understand the issues with the current medication and industry but I thought CBT was solid.

[Anonymous No.4698935]

>>4696561
>>4697096
>>4698591

Also genuinely curious why this may be the case.

I can see how it isn't foolproof, but disgusting practice? You've definitely got my ear.

[Anonymous No.4699039]

>>4696348
>Skip the behaviorists. Contemporary psychology is shit it's a fad and doesn't say anything new.
Psychology is supposed to abide by the scientific method. It's not supposed to be deep. Fuck you for perpetuating psuedoscience just because modern psychology doesn't sound cool to you. Don't tell someone to skip a whole, and highly important, school of psychology just because it doesn't appeal to your sensibilities.

OP, if you seriously want to learn about psychology, and not just its history and how it came to be, go find some textbooks. Feel free to read the literature recommended, but keep in mind that if you read anything from the Freud, Jung, and co. that a lot of their beliefs have little support to them.

Also start reading up on current peer reviews to get a feel for trends. And don't forget to start reading up on neuroscience.

>>4696561
>>4697096
>>4698591
>>4698935
Bumping because I'd also like to know what's wrong with CBT.

[Anonymous No.4699051]

>>4697734
I honestly have to disagree. I found the genealogy, especially the second essay, very relevant to an understanding of human behaviour.

[Anonymous No.4700575]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.4701247]

Bumping in hopes that the poster who wrote that scathing comment about CBT will return

[Anonymous No.4701673]

>>4701247

I'd call it more bold than scathing, as harsh as it was. Being a huge fan of Alfred Adler makes me impeccably curious though and tripfag has some interesting opinions.

[Anonymous No.4701735]

>>4696444
>Don't listen to these imbeciles dissing evo psych and promoting the pseudoscience of Freud et al.
muh nigga

[Anonymous No.4702224]

>>4696444
All psychology is pseudoscience.
Freud, at least, knew how to spice it up with hot dad-murdering, mom-fucking action.

[Anonymous No.4702243]

>>4702224
Freud could also also a decent, charming stylist.
It's a same that can't be said about his adherents though.

[Anonymous No.4703941]

>ctrl+f
>no tolstoy
i am disappoint

[Anonymous No.4705692]

>>4701735

>pseudoscience
>deleuze and guattari.jpg

10/10, i fugaffled

[Anonymous No.4705708]

>>4705692

>Deleuze & Guattari

>No analytic merit

Do you even Manuel DeLanda

[Anonymous No.4705733]

You've gotta do more than read books, m8, but for me it's
>The Prince
>Will to Power
>Some Freud
>Christian texts
>Muslim texts
>Buddhist texts
>Wittgenstein
>the Sagas and Eddas
>Marx
>Hitler
>Euphoric shit
And then a bunch of reading of studies and statistics on human sexuality and general behaviour, and the behaviour of other great apes that's given me a very good understanding of human behaviour.

I could probably bang your mom in front of you and your dad and get you and your dad to think it's a good thing at this point. I have become the biggest degenerate ever. Don't understand human behavior if you want to be a good person. Stay dumb. Don't be open-minded. It's bad.

[Anonymous No.4705741]

>>4705733
>I could probably bang your mom in front of you and your dad and get you and your dad to think it's a good thing at this point.
And yet you couldn't convince me this is true even in analogy.

[Anonymous No.4705750]

>>4696299
>no Vonnegut

[Anonymous No.4705762]

>>4696348
>Skip the behaviorists.
>not reading Beyond Freedom and Dignity

Kill yourself. It won't be your fault.

[Anonymous No.4705767]

>>4696299
>The Bible, principally

The five that I think are most enlightening, at least in the past couple hundred years are:
>Beckett
>Camus
>Kafka
>Kierkegaard
>Proust

The poetry of the Romantics is also important. The list goes on and on, really.

[Anonymous No.4705776]

I recently read an essay by Marjorie Garber titled Who Owns Human Nature. It's an excellent essay that will give you a good understanding of the modern ways we look at humanity, and it could give you a good jumping off point for some more modern works on the subject.

[Anonymous No.4705777]

>>4705741
I've had a bad day, today, m8, my car broke down and I realised I've gotten pretty fat over the past few months. My shit ain't workin' properly.

[Anonymous No.4706010]

>>4705777

why dont get your fat to think its a good thing to leave

[Anonymous No.4706018]

>>4705777
A lot of people put on weight over the winter. Figure out your basal metabolic rate (google it), eat 500 less than that a day and hit the gym at least 3x a week.

[Anonymous No.4706199]

>>4696299
Read Evolutionary psychologists in comparison with Constructionism and Cross-Cultural psychology

[Anonymous No.4706221]

>>4696561
Then how would you explain that CBT helps on practice, while trying to apply psychoanalysis on anyone, besides Austrian women at post ww1 time, fails?