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what person has done the most disservice to mankind, /lit/?

>> No.4765659

moot

>> No.4765660

moot

>> No.4765668

moot should win the nobel price, actually.

>> No.4765671

rand

>> No.4765675

1. moot
2. Aristotle

>> No.4765680

Rupert Murdoch

>> No.4765681

>>4765675
Seconding this

Anyone who defends moot just has Stockholm syndrome

>> No.4765684

Wagner
his music is great but he fucked up Classical for everyone else and know its dead

>> No.4765690

>>4765681
But I love moot

>> No.4765692

>>4765690
moot's a qt3.14 but also a horrible person

>> No.4765693

>>4765681

moot simply gave you a tool to use as you saw fit, if it turned out bad then you should consider yourself to blame.

>> No.4765698

>>4765681
moots great though

>> No.4765700
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4765700

plebs gonna be do-gooders

>> No.4765701

>>4765692
>horrible person
How

>> No.4765706

>>4765698
>>4765692
>>4765690
>>4765693
>4chan
>not a totalitarian dictatorship ruled by a scheming twink who brainwashes you into staying here

>> No.4765708

>>4765690
>>4765693
>>4765698
>ITT: moot conspicuously samefags because of his crippling insecurity

>> No.4765712

>>4765700
>doing good
>pleb
You obviously never leave your house, don't know much people.

>> No.4765718

>>4765712
>Welcome to Heaven!

>> No.4765730

>>4765718
>Being a nihilist
>Not a plebby bourgeoise "philosophy"

>> No.4765732

>>4765730
>"this" is good so "that" is bad

>> No.4765743

>>4765732
>Implying dualism is all archaic philosophy has got to offer

>> No.4765744

Thomas Midgley, Jr.

and moot

>> No.4765746

>>4765743
No, just all you're offering.

>> No.4765751

>>4765746
So what are YOU offering, in the first place, unethical piece of SHIT?

>> No.4765754

>>4765751
shh shh shh sokay

>> No.4765763

>>4765751
You'll get into Heaven, I'll be in Hell.

Just accept it.

>> No.4765764

>>4765754
So NOW you want to apply ethics huh? Such an untrascendental bourgeoise

>> No.4765768

>>4765763
I ask the question; is universe determined?
So what is thought, and what is instinct? And is thought determined too?

>> No.4765769

That guy with the ID Heaven

>> No.4765773

>>4765768
Thought only effects thoughts.

Instincts are emotions.

Is the universe determined? Not really, unless it's all just a colossal joke.

Is thought determined? Only pleb thoughts are.

>> No.4765777

>>4765773
Accept it, you're a fucking sheep, of course thought is determined. If you lived in the middle ages you wouldn't be a Nietzsche. You're a pleb, fucking sheep, most of all, you're the blind pleb thinking in terms of limited time.

>> No.4765778

>>4765768
>And is thought determined too?

When people ask this I wonder what exactly they consider the alternative to be.
Can anyone explain a mechanism by which a thought can arise other than being determined by something else? I simply can't grasp the idea.

>> No.4765779

>>4765777
Yes, pleb thoughts are determined. I'm glad we agree.

>> No.4765781

>>4765778
Only Descartes.

>>4765779
No, we do not agree you fucking idiot.

>> No.4765782

>>4765778
You never had weird, random thoughts?

Cool.

>> No.4765784

>>4765744
Midgley cancelled his own karmic debt in lulz, stop defending moot.

>> No.4765786

>>4765781
We agree, we just disagree that your thoughts are plebby.

>> No.4765789

Actually, with 4chan moot has created a containment system for all the social dysfunction in the world, kind of like the ghost traps in Ghostbusters.

Well done, moot!

>> No.4765791

>>4765786
>2014
>Still thinking you can be
>Thinking opinions worth a shit

>> No.4765796

>>4765786
Agreement is impossible because of your silly dogmas, anon.

>> No.4765798

>>4765791
That's right: All thought is bullshit, but it's relative bullshit.

There are no "good" thoughts that actually help--none are purely good.

>> No.4765799

>>4765782
The implication being your experience of random thoughts is proof of their having no determination? Could you not simply be unaware of their origin?

Supposing they are uncaused, what does this mean exactly?

>> No.4765800

>>4765789
LOL'D
but true :C

>> No.4765802

>>4765796
Your superiority is of prime importance in every "thought" you express.

>> No.4765807

>>4765798
But no anon, humans are so much more complex than the rest of the non-living universe. It's dumb to think everything out of us is just matter of opinion.

>> No.4765808

>>4765799
It requires consciousness to be caused.

That's why everyone is not found guilty of crimes committed by their own hands, conversely someone like Manson can be found guilty of using mind control to commit crimes through others.

>> No.4765813

>>4765807
Everything that comes out of us that is not opinion is instinct.

>> No.4765819

>>4765813
>tfw shit transcends your dichotomy

>> No.4765822

>>4765802
I am not. I do not live by pride, I don't give a fuck.
We're anonymous here.

>>4765813
Tell me, how did you get to that conclusion?
Logic exists, reason exists, intuition exists, math exists.

>> No.4765824

>>4765819
Bullshit is very addicting, but inseparable from living.

>> No.4765826

>>4765822
Logic starts with a thought which is an opinion. Then thoughts about thought occurs, which is logic, reason, math, etc. Intuition is instinct, which is different, however.

>> No.4765833

>>4765808
I was wondering if you could explain to me the process of events in time. This does take place in time right?

So we have a consciousness, a slippery notion to be sure but lets just take it as we understand it intuitively since thats about all we can do. Now it causes a thought to appear, is this right? What makes it cause particular kinds of thoughts? What caused the consciousness itself to be the way it is?

>> No.4765839

>>4765826
>Logic starts with thought which is an opinion
You're taking this out of your ass, you've never thought about this n your entire life, am I right?

It is not an opinion that 2+2 is 4.

>> No.4765848

>>4765833
Consciousness is the most mysterious notion and what L Ron Hubbard took advantage of to create a religion.

Intuition and consciousness are separate.

Your questions are interesting but unanswerable at this point. I am sorry.

>> No.4765850

>>4765839
You start with "2" which is an abstraction. "2+2=4" contains multiple thoughts.

>> No.4765851

>>4765848
Alright, thanks anyway

>> No.4765854

>>4765850
Abstraction of objects, facts. You can prove this. Take two object, then take other two; you got four. FUCKING MAGICAL, truths exist.

>> No.4765856

>>4765854
Yes, that's logic. Nobody said logic is bad, but it's super special only to you. It's your religion and you get offended at critical analysis of it.

>> No.4765865

>>4765856
Do you even onthology?

>> No.4765883

>>4765657
>to mankind
Hm.
I want to say Columbus... US Prez Monroe was pretty influential...

>> No.4765891

>>4765883
he brought us chocolate, corn syrup, and french fries, anon, it was worth the syphilis

>> No.4765893

Aristotle.
Fucking obvious.

>> No.4765895

The monk who wrote prayers over the parchment containing Archimedes's calculus.

>> No.4765897

>>4765891
I'm going to call them syphilis fries from now on.

>> No.4765902

>>4765895
I am euphoric reading this.

>> No.4765910

>>4765895
>those library of alexandria feels

>> No.4765924

>>4765893
I think maybe this one.

>> No.4765931

>>4765657
Muhammad.

>> No.4765933

>>4765902
>not being constantly euphoric

>> No.4765934

Pandora

>> No.4765935

Rosseau, Voltaire and company.

>> No.4765938

>>4765935
>Enlightenment thinking
>bad
So trendy

>> No.4765939

Apostle Paul and Muhammad are pretty close IMO

>> No.4765941

>>4765933
Spiritual edging, they call it. I'm into it.

>> No.4765943

>>4765935
No, Diderot for encyclopaedias, the Babel of our age.

>> No.4765948

>>4765941
they call it 'manic-depressive' disorder actually

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4765950

I'm powering up all my edge for this one

>> No.4765953

>>4765943
What does this even mean
It doesnt mean anything does it
Admit it

>> No.4765954

>>4765950
Too much euphoria, nooo!

>> No.4765960

>>4765948
Fucking psychiatrists.

>> No.4765963

>>4765950
Speak of the Galilean and up he pops!

>> No.4765966

>>4765938
Is that trendy? where?

>>4765950
But the Bible is such a nice book

>> No.4765967
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4765967

>>4765963

>> No.4765975

>>4765657
god

>> No.4765985

>>4765953
Diderot's Encyclopedie was as dangerous to the established government (and actual science), and spurred equal blind ambition for assembly as in the story of the Tower of Babel. It's a perfectly cromulent argument for the foundation of scientisism and believing wikipedia being set during the Enlightenment and diminishing our human relationship to the present and ourselves. Start with Diderot, when you get to Heidegger, you can loop back to the Greeks, and then the Bible.

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4765986

>>4765966
>the Bible is such a nice book

>> No.4765997

>>4765986
Is filled with nice books, whatever.

If you don't understand christianism, haven't even read the bible, how the hell do you grasp history, your medium?

>> No.4765998

>>4765985
ive read little bits of all of those and dont intend to take your advice at all, but I am intrigued by what your saying

feel like talking a bit more about this diminished relationship to the present and ourselves?

>> No.4766006

>>4765895
It's not like he wrote over the only copy, it's just the only copy that we know of.

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4766014

>>4765950
I see your edge and raise you this.

>> No.4766019

>>4766014
Dude. My euphoria heightened.

>le sex is evil guy

>> No.4766027

>>4765997
I like the Bible
It is not a 'nice' book
Its fairly fucked up, dark and painful. even the lighter bits are not what i would call 'nice'

>> No.4766030

>>4766027
>I like the Bible because it's edgy.

Double euphoria!

>> No.4766036

>>4766027
l3l, come on, I was not trying to be descriptive at all. This is not even my first language.

>>4766030
lyl

>> No.4766041

>>4766030
yes because books are divided into 'nice' and 'edgy'

>> No.4766046

>>4765998
It's also the idea of cataloguing knowledge meaning you possess knowledge- you might have the entire of wikipedia downloaded and present to hand but you have no intimate working knowledge of any of it. You have the memory of the day you remembered you could put it on an extra drive and that it seemed like a cool idea. Even its format- which has strayed even more from anything like a practical assembly than Diderot's lopsided mess- precludes you from getting flour on it like a cookbook, or navigating through anything other than its associations. Most of the pleasure derived from it is in shitty internet conversations where nobody was walking away clean anyway, much like the nonchalance shown to dead slaves during the building of Babel and the mourning over the broken bricks. It's the way we're excusing being shitty and dumb people most these days. Sophism and all that.

>> No.4766054

Rand
Marx
Hegel

>> No.4766058

>>4766054
Hegel and Marx cancel each other out.

>> No.4766059

>>4766054
You're fucking stupid.

>> No.4766062

>>4765675
>>4765893
>>4765924

Can someone explain to me how aristotle has done us the most disservice.

>> No.4766076

probably some tripfag

>> No.4766087

>>4766058
That's not how dialectics works.

>> No.4766091

>>4766062
it's not really his fault but a lot of his (wrong) shit was dogma in the Middle Ages and held philosophy and science back

>> No.4766093

>>4766087
Fichte says it can.

>> No.4766096

>>4766091
I thought aristotle gave rise to science, and promoted it. What the fuck happened?

>> No.4766100

>>4766096
You thought wrong.

>> No.4766105

St. Augustine is a true cunt

>> No.4766115

>>4765744

I, too, watch VSauce

>> No.4766116

>>4766100
But anon, how can there be a right and wrong in the world of nihilism?

>> No.4766117

>>4766062
He was the first boring politician

>> No.4766122

>>4766105
>stealing pears, paving with babies & fucking bitches
>true cunt
he was a bro, but this is not a fan thread

>> No.4766123

>>4766105
For what? Being absolutely right about human nature?

>> No.4766124

>>4766116
Oh ho, no you dident!

>> No.4766131

>>4766116
Nihilism is fucking bourgeoise thought. Reject it. Nietzsche saw it and mocked it.

>> No.4766138

>>4766131
Nietzsche invented nihilism.

>> No.4766141

>>4766138
>Nietzsche invented the word 'no'

>> No.4766158

>>4766138
Ivan Turguenev popularized the term. Get your facts straight.

Nietzsche saw through liberalism and mocked it. That's all.

>> No.4766162

>>4766123
for damning us with his ideas of sin and grace!

>> No.4766173

>>4766054
>no hitler
WE POL NOW

>> No.4766176

>>4766131
I thought nietzsche outlined nihilism. Why did nietzsche reject, and mock it? I haven't read much of nietzsche yet, I'm only 110~ pages into beyond good and evil.

>> No.4766181

Marx

>> No.4766184

>>4766176
Some believe he was being ironic in his writings. Yeah, he outlined nihilism, it was necessary so we could reject it.

>> No.4766186

>>4766181
Muhammad

>> No.4766188

>>4766184
>tfw reading everything ironically is the only way to get through life

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4766191

>>4765854
Boy you need to read a math textbook

>> No.4766192

>>4766186
Great addition, I agree

>> No.4766195

>>4766188
I believe that too.

>> No.4766198

>>4766191
Do I? Why don't you give me a real nice math book because I need it.

>> No.4766199
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4766199

The man who made empire unpopular

>> No.4766202

>>4765657
Stalin
He ruined such a good thing

>> No.4766216

>>4766202
>Good thing

>> No.4766226

>>4766195
>>4766188
Isn't this one absurd reality we live in then? If there is a God, it has some answering to do.

>> No.4766228

>>4766202
>ruined

Stalin may not have done nothing wrong, but he sure did a whole lot of things right.

>> No.4766234

>>4766199
Those would be his opponents. If they would have treated Hitler just as an opponent instead of the devil himself they could have gone on empiring it up.

>> No.4766235

>>4766199
Hitler didn't build an empire. He was just trying to defend Germany.

USSR and USA were more empires that the Greater German Reich.

>> No.4766260

>>4766226
If there is a God, he's a comedian.

>> No.4766264

>>4766199
That's kind of cool, actually.

Is this what Bret Easton Ellis means when he writes about post-Empire?

>> No.4766289

>>4766198
google

>> No.4766382

>>4765931
/thread

>> No.4766396

>Ctrl+F "Socrates" 0 results
Where all ma Nietzscheans at?

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4766409

ur mum (becuz of u)

though she was did a great "service" to me last night ;^)

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