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Black literature thread?

>> No.5239637

>>5239633
Langston Hughes is mah nigga.

>> No.5239642

>>5239633
Machado de Assis.

>> No.5239646

>>5239637
>mah nigga

And so it begins

>> No.5239651

Invisible Man is the only thing written by a black person worth reading.

>> No.5239659

>>5239651
>I've only read two books by black people

>> No.5239668

>>5239659
I've actually only read Invisible Man :^)

>> No.5239669

>>5239642
Ele não foi negro.

>> No.5239675

According to Quentin Tarantino's "Django", Dumas was black. Everything written by him is worth reading.

>> No.5239676

>>5239668
Then why would you say that?

>> No.5239679

>>5239633

My favorite black author would have to be Jamaica Kincaid. Anyone else read her?

>> No.5239680

http://www.amazon.com/Kanye-Presents-Thank-Youre-Welcome/dp/0978967917

I became wise.

>> No.5239681

>>5239669
Ele é mulato. Filho de negra e de um mestiço.

>> No.5239686

>>5239675
You didn't know he was black before Django?

>> No.5239689

>>5239675
He was a quatroon, turbonerd.

>> No.5239695

>>5239686
I knew he was black, was just joking.

I'm too lazy to keep baiting.

>> No.5239708

>>5239642

Machado was actually not that black. He was a mulatto, and if I am not mistaken he was actually the son of a mulatto and a white woman. Well, no matter: the thing is that he had black genetics on him and was a great writer.

But here is the thing about him: he was ashamed of being at least part black and would not admit it – he got angry when people stated that about him. Nothing apparently special about this, but since he was not proud of black ancestry and did not recognize himself as black he did not wrote under the same thematic-shadow that strangles the work of every black writer: the need to talk about racism and segregation. Machado wrote about human beings without any pro-freedom and pro-equality panphletage, and so his work achieved something more than just the exposition of a life of struggle and injustice. To me the fact that he did not think of himself as a black person or as a victim was a great thing – something that made him better as an artist.

That’s a problem that many black writers face: it seems that society and the critics expect of them the writing of racial-subject books. They should be able to write about the world as normal human beings (by normal I mean as everyone on Earth, as only humans, as simple persons), not as a specific race or group.

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5239733

>>5239708
I know, I'm a Brazilian student of Machado de Assis.
A "mulato" is considered black in Brazil since miscegenation is common here.

>> No.5239735

>>5239708
This is SUCH a thing that some dumb white undergrad would say.

>> No.5239753

>>5239735
Did he trigger you?

>> No.5239758

>>5239753
No, he said some offensive shit and I called him out

Now I'm calling you out, bitchass ignoramus

Looking forward to death of all you white folks, its COMING

>> No.5239779

>Black Literature

THE WHITEFOLK ARE THE DEVIL, BLACK POWER!

>White Literature

Stories on topics ranging from industrialization to sexuality to authoritarianism to the entertainment industry to immigration to imperialism to addiction to colonization to metaphysics to the dangers of technology to everything else.

Give me some Black authors who write stories that aren't about white guilt and growing up in the hood.

>> No.5239782

>>5239708

This reminded me of something Borges said about Argentinians, but can be extended by analogy towards black writers.
Some days past I have found a curious confirmation of the fact that what is truly native can and often does dispense with local color; I found this confirmation in Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Gibbon observes that in the Arabian book par excellence, in the Koran, there are no camels; I believe if there were any doubt as to the authenticity of the Koran, this absence of camels would be sufficient to prove it is an Arabian work. It was written by Mohammed, and Mohammed, as an Arab, had no reason to know that camels were especially Arabian; for him they were part of reality, he had no reason to emphasize them; on the other hand, the first thing a falsifier, a tourist, an Arab nationalist would do is have a surfeit of camels, caravans of camels, on every page; but Mohammed, as an Arab, was unconcerned: he knew he could be an Arab without camels. I think we Argentines can emulate Mohammed, can believe in the possibility of being Argentine without abounding in local color.
"The Argentine Writer and Tradition", Fervor of Buenos Aires (1923)

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5239783

>>5239633
Here you go
ha
ha
ha

>> No.5239786

>>5239782
it should be in commas...

">>5239708

This reminded me of something Borges said about Argentinians, but can be extended by analogy towards black writers.
Some days past I have found a curious confirmation of the fact that what is truly native can and often does dispense with local color; I found this confirmation in Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Gibbon observes that in the Arabian book par excellence, in the Koran, there are no camels; I believe if there were any doubt as to the authenticity of the Koran, this absence of camels would be sufficient to prove it is an Arabian work. It was written by Mohammed, and Mohammed, as an Arab, had no reason to know that camels were especially Arabian; for him they were part of reality, he had no reason to emphasize them; on the other hand, the first thing a falsifier, a tourist, an Arab nationalist would do is have a surfeit of camels, caravans of camels, on every page; but Mohammed, as an Arab, was unconcerned: he knew he could be an Arab without camels. I think we Argentines can emulate Mohammed, can believe in the possibility of being Argentine without abounding in local color."
"The Argentine Writer and Tradition", Fervor of Buenos Aires (1923)

>> No.5239790

>>5239758
>Looking forward to death of all you white folks, its COMING
Now *that's* offensive.

>> No.5239823

>>5239779
lmao, you actually think that any black person writing about their experience in america is just to make you feel guilty? how fucking narcissistic can white people get, I swear

>> No.5239843

>>5239823
>black people trying to comprehend something

>> No.5239855

>>5239843
>white person resorting to racism and trying to demean me when he can't refute an argument

Sounds about right

>> No.5239868

>>5239855
He's being intentionally inflammatory, the more you reply to him, the worse he'll get. Just ignore it.

>> No.5239871

>>5239868
Yeah, that doesn't make what he's saying okay asshole

>> No.5239873

>>5239779
>Give me some Black authors who write stories that aren't about white guilt and growing up in the hood
Why? Sounds like you've already made up your mind about black authors.

>> No.5239879

>>5239871
I never said it did, dude. He recognizes that what he's saying is fucking dumb, you're just taking his bait. Respond to him all you want, I guess, but in the end, you'll just be satisfying him.

>> No.5239886

James Baldwin

>> No.5239889

>>5239633
Tupac

>> No.5239892

>>5239633
Chinua Achebe

>> No.5239897

>>5239651
>only one worth reading
>not Dumas

Wut

>> No.5239904

>>5239889

lol. no.

>> No.5239913

>>5239904
Ye?

>> No.5239944

>>5239633
The bible, cause Jesus was black.

>> No.5239955

>>5239944

Are jews black now?

>> No.5239996

Iceberg Slim

>> No.5240007

>>5239675
He had one black grandparent. That doesn't make him black.

According to contemporary WN leaders (who are admittedly mostly degenerate trash) if someone looks white and acts white they are white. Anything else is pointless divisiveness.

>> No.5240028

A writer's quality is not in any way dependent on his colour, nationality, religion or any other kind of personal characteristic he may have. His background and beliefs, however, undoubtedly influence his writings, and as such it's to be expected that black writers will be influenced by their history of slavery and opression. There is a point, however, in which the background influences cease to be a mere fact of interest and start to become harmful to the quality of the writing, and this, I think, is what perhaps happens to those black writers to whom their racial identity is the sole subject of importance. And this is not only so with black writers: in Brazil - apparently, there are quite a few Brazilians on /lit/ - we have a lot of nationalistic writers to whom, it seems, Brazil is the most important country on the planet, and they are just plain annoying to read; we also have politically motivated writers who try to write in order to produce social change and, thus, make their writing as dull as that of any political pamphlet; and then we have fanatically religious writers, to whom writing is nothing more than proselitism - and now I'm reminded of the worst playwright I have ever read, Mr. Jose de Anchieta, who wrote no to make art, but in order to turn native Brazilians to the Christian credo, in the 16th century.

A writer's subject should be that what GENUINELY interests him - sex, philosophy, fighting, war, assassination, classical Greece, food, cemeteries, libraries, robbery, flowers, love, whatever - and not that what critics expect him to write about or that which he feels he should write about. To the extent in which he lets external pressures guide his work, the quality of the writer tends to diminish.

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>black
>literature

>> No.5240254

>>5239871
wahh wahhh gimmes me dat sympathy

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5240284

>this thread
>tfw /lit/ has been invaded by people from reddit because places like /r/books regularly link to /lit/

It'll all be over soon... Eventually moot will implement facebook integration and put this dying ancient animal out of its misery. What foolishness to think that a place like 4chan could survive in a world of mainstream Internet use. We are and shall be corrupted by the mob.

>> No.5240325

>>5239633
tried `open city´ by cole.
mfw> when the boredom rises and strangled me to braindeath

did i miss important subtext/metafictional shit?

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5240400

>>5239735
>>5239823
>>5239855
>>5239868
>>5239871
>>5239879

maybe the only time i've unironically, dead-seriously used this image

>> No.5241259

>>5240400

I just looked through this thread and it convinced me to never set foot in USA where people are obliged to utter obvious bullshit to pander to, again, obviously crippled black community.

If majority of authors mentioned in this thread were white they would never be read or recognized. They are, particulary because black person wrote a book that is above average standard in black community, but usually just average among world's literature. This preferential treatment is especially ridiculous because it resembles affirmative treatment of mentally handicapped people. Of course it's in nature absolutely demeaning to blacks, to treat them like mild retards, but people do it anyway, unconciously.

That's why when I stumble upon an intelligent black guy like youtube literature reviewer called Black Ponderer, he's almost always detached from the theme of struggle of American blacks. To let this victim mentality affect perception is the greatest tragedy of black authors or community as a whole. And, what a surprise, when reviewing books of value, the intelligent black guy I mentioned finds himself with one book written by African author among multitude of books written by whites. And I applaud him for no bias approach because recognition of reality is a first step to recovery. In this case, sadly only as an individual and not a group.

>> No.5241398

>>5239782
So Mohammed wasn't a camel jockey

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5241409

>>5239782
>camel
http://quran.com/77/33


Also read Sundiata everyone

>> No.5241430

Where's the white literature thread?

Ohh that's right it's the whole fucking board.

Have to hold my tongue everywhere else in my life and coons shit up the one place I can speak my mind.

Fuck you all.

>> No.5241435

>>5239873

Can you do it or are you just a thick nigger?

>> No.5241438

>>5241435

Sundiata

>> No.5241444

>>5241430

This is exactly what this anon >>5241259 says. People of specific identification need their own threads because their work doesn't stand a chance while confronted with world's best literature. From the outside it looks as affirmative treatment of handicapped people.

>> No.5241483

>>5241444
They are handicapped have you ever been to Atlanta, Baltimore, Detroit, Jackson, Macon?

The are SOOO fucking handicapped.

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5241493

>>5241444
>>5241483

Sundiata Epic

>> No.5241506

>>5241493
One shitty poem passed down VERBALLY (AKA not literature) from the 14th century that wasn't even written down until the 20th century.

Congratu-fucking-lations.

>> No.5241525

>>5241493

I mean, anon, it's great and I would like to see more of legit literature from black authors. It's just most of "black literature" right now has little to no value in comparison with classics. There are few exceptions... but we both know we can count them on our fingers

all in all I'm all for black authors creating, but let them create quality material instead of mediocre writings wishing to be counted among greats

>> No.5241544

>>5241506
privileging the written over the oral is pretty dumb kiddo.

>> No.5241556

>>5241493
The fact that it exists doesn't mean it's any good. And yeah the fact that it wasn't written down until the 19th century says something pretty sad about African cultural development.

PS: Mali was less an "empire" than a loose confederation of tribes. It was even more primitive than Sumero-Akkadian empires existing literally thousands of years before it. The fact that this was the greatest height to which any kind of African "culture" ever ascended is another sad indictment of African worth.

>> No.5241569

>>5241556
>muh eurocentricism

>> No.5241593

>>5241569
"Eurocentrism" is a word only ever tossed around by the most insufferable kind of progressivist faggot.

PS: It's not Europe's fault that no other civilization can compete with them in mathematics, science, art, or philosophy. When Africa produces its own Gauss, Newton, Euler, Plato, Shakespeare, Goethe etc. then we won't have to be eurocentric anymore.

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>>5241544
I thought this was a black literature thread.

>> No.5241600

>>5241596
#rekt

>> No.5241602

>>5241544
>>>/oral/

>> No.5241618

>>5241569
Shut the fuck up. Taoism and Buddhism are just as remarkable as the Ancient Greek philosophies. It's no one else's fault that African's are equal to Eurasian children when it comes to mental capabilities.

>> No.5241621

>>5241596
are you retarded? you yourself stated when it was written down, so it is literature by your stringent metrics

>> No.5241623

>>5241618

>Taoism and Buddhism are just as remarkable as the Ancient Greek philosophies.

Name one Eastern philosopher that writes with the systematic clarity of Aristotle.

Kek

>> No.5241636

>>5241618
Africans** - I'm on my phone

Also I wasn't that clear. I'm saying Asians can be on par with Europeans. The indigenous people of the Americas, Australasia and Africa are intellectually stunted. Except Egypt and Carthage. But they were Caucasoids.

Deal with it.

>> No.5241638

>>5241621
Alright, let us count it as literature. You have one book. One. Fucking. Book.

There is your rich African heritage.

>> No.5241639

>>5241618
>Taoism

Brah, have you read the Tao Te Ching? It's basically a collection of proverb-like assertions. To compare this to Western philosophy is laughable. At best Taoism can be ranked with the pre-Socratics, at worst it's wisdom literature.

>> No.5241642

>>5241623
>>5241639
Noted. But Asians are still literally thousands of years ahead of Africans intellectually.

>> No.5241655

>>5241642

No one's going to deny that, m8.

>> No.5241660

>>5241636
>Deal with it.
lol

>> No.5241668

>>5241593
>the civilization of europe

>> No.5241676

>>5241639
>>5241639
Eastern Philosophy is not necessarily inferior, just organized differently. Western philosophy builds like a pyramid, one assertion upon the other, the Eastern approach to knowledge is a bit more like a web.
Even if you don't like it personally, it would have been foolish for authors not to write in a way that communicates effectively with their culture.

>> No.5241677

>>5241655
Ohh I wouldn't be too sure.
These pituitary retards probably would.

>>5239758
>>5239823
>>5239855
>>5239871
>>5239944
>>5239735
>>5239868
>>5241493
>>5241569

>> No.5241683

I've never read any literature by black men. Actually, I haven't read any literature by anybody. Actually, I don't read books at all I just post on /lit/ all day and read sparknotes about the books people talk about.

>> No.5241688

>>5239633
You want some bbc to help wash those books down?

>> No.5241697

>>5241688
Berkshire Brewing Company? They make decent beer. The secret is the type of yeast they use apparently.

>> No.5241699

>>5241677
>/pol/ sojourns to /lit/

>> No.5241708

>>5241676

If anything, Eastern philosophy is a horizontal web. Good luck trying to arrive at new knowledge by virtue of deduction when reading such work. They got stuck with Hericlitus and his "the road up and the road down are the same road" shtick.

>> No.5241717

wow i didn't know there were so many niggers on /lit/.

>> No.5241732

>>5241699
A black literature thread is by default admitting their inferiority.

They don't want to get called out as children, then they shouldn't make special little threads like a fourth grade science fair.

>> No.5241753

Their Eyes Were Watching God is a good book.

>> No.5241758

>>5241697
Or Boston Brewing Company (owns Sam Adams) which makes alright beer.

Or Bluegrass Brewing Company, which makes a good raspberry meade, and a great bourbon barrel ale. Would be some high class people who enjoy that stuff.

>> No.5241773

>>5241758
Saranac and magic hat are much better.

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>>5241732

>> No.5241801

>>5241708
>hey got stuck with Hericlitus and his "the road up and the road down are the same road" shtick.
That's pretty much limited to Buddhism, and mostly just Mahayana at that.

>Good luck trying to arrive at new knowledge by virtue of deduction when reading such work.
But that's not what it's for. The most consistent underlying question of Eastern Philosophy is not "how do I deduce something new," it's "how do I incorporate new experience in light of what I already know or have experienced."

I'm not denying the value of logic at all, or the Greek contribution to philosophy. If anything, though, while mathematics in its entirety and most of the individual major developments in physics and chemistry owe their discovery to ancient Western thought, validation and incorporation of scientific knowledge on a wider level more greatly resemble Eastern thought.

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>>5241556
>>5241506

You guys are silly.

First saying that because it wasn't written down for a long time means that there is less cultural development implies some teleology in culture which is not the case. An oral epic can be and is often of a higher quality than a written epic. Oral epics have the benefit of having variations for example. Oral cultures tend to be more repetitive but they focus on universals and the average person has more control over language. Of course written epics have their own benefits, like a more leisured class being able to study them.

Secondly this epic is very good. You guys are just not used to reading into a work that is made by Africans. Probably you go in assuming something horrible or something more Western. If you look at the text, you see a tension between the community and the individual. The Mande concept of fadenyo and badenyo is a useful one to look at the text.

On a side note, these two ideas really helped me understand the politics of the Biblical stories in Kings 1 & 2.
Other African cultural contributions were in Islam and Christianity. Africans practically defined orthodoxy in Christianity. Think of Augustine, Tertullian, Clement and Origen. There were the desert fathers. They also started monasticism in Egypt. Even their 'heretics' were influential like Arius. African missionaries went to Germany and converted them before they were Catholic. There were also the Dotanists. Just Augustine should be enough to redeem the whole continent.

Besides Egyptians and Berbers, the Kongolese were very politically developed. When the Portuguese made contact with them they had pretty much the same system of government. Although they have no literature or even noteworthy oral epics that I know of. Outside of literature, Africans invented iron and steel independently and did it better than everyone else until the Industrial Revolution.

Having an empire isn't that impressive. There were many African groups that were strongly anti-monarchical. Also another African group, which I've only heard of in passing, had an idea of two deaths. One when you die and one when everyone who knew you die. I think this is an interesting idea as well but I know little about it.

>> No.5241811

Anything worthwhile from the Harlem Renaissance?

>> No.5241817

>>5241805
>You guys are just not used to reading into a work that is made by Africans.
Is there another one?

>> No.5241824

>>5241596
>dictionary definitions

>> No.5241839

>>5241811
yes, lots, but for some reason they had a big stick in their ass about racism. can't think why

>> No.5241843

>>5241782
nice drawing.

>>5241805
The thread is about black literature.

AKA Sub-Saharan. That means
>Egyptians
>Berbers
>Augustine
>Tertullian
>Clement
>Origen

are not applicable.

>Africans invented iron and steel independently and did it better than everyone else until the Industrial Revolution.

Oh, it's a ruse. Silly me.

>> No.5241844

>>5241805
>Think of Augustine, Tertullian, Clement and Origen.

Stopped reading right here. None of those people were black Africans. Augustine's ancestry is not even certain but he was AT MOST 1/2 Berber, and the woman his father married was most likely an ethnically Carthaginian caucasoid.

You are purposefully conflating black Africa with the Mediterranean and Near East thousands of years ago. The ancient Near Eastern Babylonians and Assyrians represented themselves in statuary and carving with lapis lazuli (i.e., blue) eyes.

>Africans invented iron and steel independently and did it better than everyone else until the Industrial Revolution.

Jesus Christ. Stop reading black supremacist blogs you retard.

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>>5241697
>>5241758
Allow me to specify.

>> No.5241900

>>5241623
>systematic clarity
>Aristotle
Lel. You mean autism. Is how civilized a person in a western civilization judged by his autism?

>> No.5241907

>>5241900
>le autism xDDDD

>> No.5241914

>>5241907
Way to prove my point, westernautist.

>> No.5241927

>>5241914
>I am a filthy ricenigger butthurt that Europeans rule the world

I can only imagine how much it must suck to be a shitskin and be burdened with the certainty of inferiority.

>> No.5241943

That's what you get if you bring cultural identity into politics. Next news, Neo-Assyrian-Hussite-Babylonian-Persian supremacist literature.

>> No.5241948

>>5241927
wowowowow.

Asians CAN be bro.

>> No.5241951

>>5239913
kanye writes?

>> No.5241953

>>5241927
Silly westernautist, you can't imagine shit. You can only rhyme your words with -ism, -ty, etc., but that doesn't mean you have imagination!

>> No.5241961

>>5241948
He's shown his true color.

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5241982

>stop hanging out with white people
>no more whiny racist bullshit being spewed in my ear all day

best decisions i've ever made.

also, octavia butler writes great science fiction.

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>>5241982
>science fiction?

>no way that's the legit bookcover

>The story begins after a group of extremists obtained nuclear weapons and their actions resulted in a terrible nuclear war that left the earth uninhabitable. Humans are all but extinct. The few survivors are plucked from the surface of their dying world by an alien race, the oankali. The title character Lilith (a black human female) awakens centuries later from stasis on an Oankali ship. She meets her saviors/captors and is repulsed by their alienness. The oankali don’t have eyes, or ears, or noses, but sensory tentacles over their entire bodies with which they can perceive the world much better than a human can. Stranger still, the oankali have three genders: male, female, and ooloi. All oankali have the ability to perceive biochemistry down to a genetic level, but the ooloi have the ability to directly manipulate genetic material.

what

>> No.5242031

>>5242007
Hahahahahahahahhahshahahahhahah

Probably legitimately the most pathetic thing I've ever heard of in my entire life.

>> No.5242346

>>5241844
>>5241843

Egyptians and Berbers are definitely black by modern standards. Where do you think they came from Europe? The Egyptians came in from Nubia primarily and had other races mix with them throughout history. The Berbers came from the South too. By ancient standards, there is no black, Ethiopians were considered just as distinct as Berbers, Egyptians, and the Mande. If we're talking black, then Egyptians and Berbers should be included. If you want to talk about specific groups, the Kongolese, for example, I would agree no literature. Obviously people in the Mediterranean world have more literature, there were more cultures that met there and have a longer history of civilization. That doesn't mean that living on the Mediterranean makes you any less black. However if we're talking about Sub-Saharans then I would agree with the exception of Mali and some Muslim scholars, they've been mostly without literature.

Also the thing about iron and steel is true. They would pre-heat the ore which is why they were able to make such high quality metal. The rest of the world didn't do that and that's why it took until modern industrial machinery to make better. They deforested a lot of Africa from all the charcoal they would produce to produce metal. You're not giving me any factual counter-arguments.

Learn History

>> No.5242364

>>5242346
>I am going to recite all of Guns, Germs, and Steel right now and there is nothing you can do to stop me

>> No.5242376

>>5242346
"Berbers" can be anywhere from 10% to 90% you sub-Saharan you unbelievable retard. They are not racially homogeneous. Contemporary Egyptians do not look like ancient Egyptians. And so on and so forth. Carthaginians populated and ruled North Africa contemporaneously with the rise of Rome and they were Caucasoid, not even Berber and certainly not blacks by any standard. You're purposefully conflating whichever eras of 4000 years of history happen to suit you in making all these ahistorical claims.

>repeats claim about blacks and steel

Black supremacist retardation. Provide a source for this claim or gtfo.

>> No.5242420

>>5241982
Actually, Octavia Butler is a terrible writer.

>> No.5242436

>>5242420
So is Samuel Delaney, as long we're going there.

btw Delaney is a gay black pedo (public supporter of NAMBLA).

>> No.5242447

>>5242420
Take your shit taste back to your YA thread, please.

>> No.5242460

>black literature thread quickly dissolves into /pol/ tier shit flinging
christ.

>> No.5242473

>>5242447
Only a complete pleb could believe that Octavia Butler writes good sci-fi.

>> No.5242575

>>5239779
>>5239779
>>5239779
>>5239779
>>5239779

I was asking this as a real question, not just to bait people out, and no one has responded yet.

>> No.5242578

>>5242460
>implying that wasn't my intention when I made it

;)

>> No.5242612

>>5239633
NK Jemisin: The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms
And the next two books.

>> No.5242697

>>5241982

How jelly can you be, nigger?

>> No.5242913

>>5242346

The only correct thing you've ever written was about Egyptians who came from Nubia. Yes, they were Cushitic. However Berbers are in no fucking way sub-saharan African. Genetically they belong to Caucasian groups in Y-DNA and for the love of God, have you ever seen a Berber person? By modern standards it's not black in any way. Their physionomy fits absolutely into white phenotype.

And the thing about steel is factually incorrect. There is one fucking account of finding steel in ancient east africa, but primitive steel tools were already developed in Anatolia before that. Of course steel developed by Arabs and Romans later only continues the tradition of pre-industrial steel making. Stop repeating unsourced, pseudohistorical bullshit. Sub-saharan Africa was so technologically retarded that from surviving evidence we know they didn't use wheel before 19th century.

Learn history, less from afrocentrist blogs, more from primary school handbooks.

>> No.5243125

Black people are disenfranchised in today's America, and many other parts of the world.

I'd argue, that while it is a social thing, it's moreso related to economics. Poor whites and hispanics are also disenfranchised. The reason black people are seen in poor lights socially, and are disenfranchised is because tey are poor, and have no power in our commercial consumer culture. They have little power over how they are represented other than complaining from the bottom up. Shit's fucked up yo.

I'd say that if black people want to fix their problems, their gonna have to do it economically, and they're gonna have to cooperate with poor of other races.

I haven't set foot on a college campus, fuck it.

>> No.5243145

>>5241506
So the Odyssey and the Iliad are not literature?

>> No.5243194

I once saw a black man writing a book and thought, "would you look at that? The world just keeps turning." Next day I saw him subpoenaed for plagiarism.

>> No.5243202

>>5243194
I think this guy's trying to communicate.

>> No.5243211

>>5239675
>Great lineage from one richest and white families of France
>Grandparent was black

Must be black

>> No.5243217

>>5243211
People have always been considered black with 'one drop' -rule - that's been so for ever and will be.

>> No.5243224 [DELETED] 

>>5239633
Kill all niggers

>> No.5243246

If anyone in this thread is banned, 4chan is dead.

Start a thread that basically proves blacks can't into literature at the level of the general populace, so they need their own category.

Then proceed to ban people who do not like them, even after they have shown their inferiority.

>> No.5243247

>>5243246
What?

>> No.5243257

>>5243247
BLACK PEOPLE ARE STUPID
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>> No.5243264

>>5243247
Are you of African descent?

>> No.5243267

>>5243257
Dude, what are you rambling?

>> No.5243271

>>5243264
No, are you?

>> No.5243284

>>5243267
He is breaking down >>5243246 into terms an African could comprehend.

>> No.5243292

>>5243284
Neither of the posts made sense.

>> No.5243293

>>5243288
>no sense

they did for the grown ups, tyrone

>> No.5243300

>>5243293
>they did for the grown ups, tyrone

Listen to yourself, you're nagging nonsense.

>> No.5243514

>>5242436
Actually, Samuel Delaney isn't a bad writer, whereas Octavia Butler is. (Also him being a pedophile explains a lot.)