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Which school of philosophy do you follow?

>> No.5242515

I am currently studying at the Stoa. We just got done raiding those nerds at the Garden

>> No.5242530

Epicureanism and Schopenhauer.

>> No.5242537

Moral Hedonism

>> No.5242601

I'm still shopping around. I want something with very clear moral and ethical guidelines but not too restrictive.

>> No.5242633
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5242633

>picking out a philosophy like you would an outfit

>> No.5242648

Frankfurt.

>> No.5242653

Continental

>> No.5242659
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Torn between egoism/objectivism.

>> No.5242666

>>5242633
So much this.

Think for yourself OP faggot.

>> No.5242667

>>5242633
Naw, like picking out the music you like.

Only its something nearly inborn. With most I think.

>> No.5242668

Shingon-shū

In death Amida will save me.

>> No.5242683

>>5242667
shut up cunt

>> No.5242684

>>5242633
I thought philosophy was supposed to be an edgy personality modifier, like extreme political ideologies, and fedoras?

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>>5242683

I dunno, I thought that was kind of funny.

>> No.5242705

>>5242683
Does it not feel that way with you?
Isn't your philosophy more to do with your personality?
Maybe you like Stoicism, but before you had ever heard of the term, weren't you a little bit that way to begin with, right?

>> No.5242709

>>5242705
Cio-Cio, why do you even engage with these types? They aren't going to have a reasonable conversation with you. Is it just to perturb them?

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>>5242709
>Is it just to perturb them?
I have not come to preach to the converted

>> No.5242791

>>5242709
Sometimes I engage them, so maybe I can answer. By responding calmly and thoughtfully, you gain the last word and also counteract their douchebaggery. And in the case that the have a change of heart, or another willing person comes along, you can still have a good conversation.

>> No.5242799

>>5242755
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."

But you cannot preach to the deaf either.

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>>5242791
Right.
By being out in the open with a name/trip, you have this responsibility to behave. Many trips use this to act, put on a show, take on a character. I've always gone for sincerity. Just me, warts and all. And trolling is all about making the other person mad. I'm usually not effected by it

>> No.5242808

>>5242659

objectivism is for edgelords. Egoism is the way to go.

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>>5242799
Do you mean the illiterate?

>> No.5242814

>>5242808
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

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>>5242755
Thanks jesus

>> No.5242820

>>5242530
Genuinely curious, do those even go together?

Schopenhauer is fantastic but the universal will is bizarre, especially when he talks about its evidence in magnetism and crystal formations...

>> No.5242831

>>5242809
Sure. I was just continuing with the Jesus theme.

Would you say you do it as a display that signals you aren't bothered by the "trolls" to anyone else who might be reading?

>> No.5242854

>>5242820
I'm more inspired by his general wisdom stuff and ethics than his metaphysics. Negative hedonism makes a lot of sense too me.

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>>5242831
Naw. We all deal trolls in our own way, playing back, ignoring, stomping off after realizing you've been burned. I wouldn't say I was signaling, showing off or anything like that

>> No.5243006

>>5242705
I usually hate you, but this was a good post.

>> No.5243042

>>5242659
>>5242808
they're both for morons

>> No.5243058

>>5243042
Explain how egoism is for morons plz

>> No.5243060

>>5243058
Does it appeal to you?

>> No.5243064

>>5242866
butterfly, stop being intellectually insecure and go talk to people. everyone here is mostly scum. :3

>> No.5243107

>>5243060
Funny.

>> No.5243117

>>5242659
disgusting
if you are definitely choosing either of those, choose egoism

>> No.5243126
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5243126

scientism

>> No.5243127
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5243127

The teachings of the one true Roman Catholic Church.

>> No.5243146

>>5243126
So you believe your senses and brain can experience objective truth?

>> No.5243150

>>5243146
I don't "believe", I know. Facts don't require faith. Back to >>>/x/ religitard.

>> No.5243161

>>5243150
What say you of the colour blind? He sees green where you see red, yet they're both correct to the respective brains.

All of life is simply perception, and all is equally valid.

There is no truth.

>> No.5243169

>>5243161
>He sees green where you see red,

wut

>> No.5243179

>>5243161
There are tests for color blindness and professions which critically rely on the ability to perceive colors usually use these tests to weed out applicants who are impaired in their perception. Can you please stop talking like a toddler? It's cringeworthy.

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>>5242484
Völkisch

>> No.5243185

>>5242484
Why follow a single school instead of synthesizing what you find interesting?

>> No.5243197

>>5243183
>Derpish superstition
>/pol/ philosophy

19th century called, they want their Thule Society back.

>> No.5243199

>>5243185
Broadly speaking, ya --though there's bound to be one or an other which you favor//a thinker more influential on you

>> No.5243205

>>5243199
That didn't answer the question.

>> No.5243210

>>5243185
>being an eclectic

>> No.5243212

>>5243185
Because you're not capable of quality synthesis.
You'll only make plebian garbage from it.

>> No.5243214

>>5243212
>projecting

>> No.5243218

>>5243214
>Dunning-Kruger

>> No.5243222

>>5243218
You don't even know what projecting means.

>> No.5243226

postmodernism

>> No.5243229

>>5243222
>projecting

>> No.5243230

>>5243229
>projecting

>> No.5243236

>>5243230
>projecting

>> No.5243237

Christianity

>> No.5243238

>>5243179
>>5243169
IN THE COLOUR BLIND PERSON'S WORLD, THERE IS GREEN

IN YOUR WORLD, THERE IS RED

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FALSELY PERCEIVING THE WORLD, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OMNISCIENT BEING

WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE IS ALWAYS TRUE

BECAUSE THE WORLD DID NOT EXIST UNTIL YOU WERE BORN

LITERALLY WHAT YOU DO NOT EXPERIENCE DOES NOT "EXIST"

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

>> No.5243240

I'm reading a lot about existentialism right now.
But I don't think that's really a way of life.
Camus' humanism as a way to escape nihilism genuinely impressed me, and I like his political views very much.

>> No.5243244

>>5243238
Colorblind people are objectively perceiving the world wrong. There are medical tests for this condition.

>> No.5243245

>>5243238
>not understanding how colour blindness works

>> No.5243249

I follow the big beat manifesto

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>>5243238
>solipsism

>> No.5243256

>Which school of philosophy do you follow?

YOLO

>> No.5243261

>>5243244
>>5243245
HO-LY FUCK.

There is no wrong world you incomprehensible slugs. We are adapted for perceiving a certain environment. If I put you at the bottom of a lake; you can't hear, you can't see, you can't breath, and you can't smell.

Just as colourblind people do not have the same retinal cones as you. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ORGANS TO PERCEIVE THE WORLD AS A FISH.

Yes, colourblind people cannot be pilots. Just as you would make a fucking horrible dolphin or bat, because your lack of sonar is "perceiving the world wrong".

It's not the wrong world, it is just a different one.

>> No.5243266

I'm a partially colourblind electrician and acclaimed artist, cheated like a fucking bastard on my colourblindness tests to become an electrician and still got "partially colourblind". Aint no thang.

>> No.5243268

>>5243256
YOLAMUS

>> No.5243270

>>5243261
We have scientific measuring devices to measure the things we can't perceive with our senses. Physics has pretty much explored everything that can be explored.

>> No.5243277

>>5243238
You fuck. There is the universe inside our head which is formed by the external universe interacting with our brain-mind through our senses. The brain-mind isn't a window allowing us to truly perceive the universe but jumbles up the information received into a coherent way. We are a flawed recording device.

>> No.5243278

>>5243277
Our perception isn't flawed.

>> No.5243282

>>5243277
Or maybe we're a brain in a vat and seeing everything only as it is.

>> No.5243283

the Copenhagen interpretation

>> No.5243290

>>5243277
>we are a flawed recording device

was going to reply, but we're done here

>> No.5243296

>>5243278
Ok, not flawed but just one possible perception out of the many others.

>>5243282
maybe

>>5243290
stupid of me, sorry

>> No.5243298

>>5243277
>u cannot know nuthin
>am I being profound yet??

>> No.5243302

>>5243270
>physics has pretty much explored everything that can be explored

hahaha holy fuck

God this century will be dystopian.

>> No.5243305

>>5243302
God doesn't exist.

>> No.5243307

>>5243296
exactly! and none of those perceptions are wrong, invalid, or flawed.

A fly's world is as correct as a worms or a lizard or you and me.

>> No.5243312

>>5243307
They are all the same, objective world. A tree is a tree, irregardless which species perceives it.

>> No.5243317

>>5243312
that is a fallacious jump across the epistemological/ontological divide

>> No.5243319

>>5243302
Don't worry, they got their chance once already

>> No.5243321

>which labeled box do you toss yourself headlong into?

Sometimes this dump is far too reductive for its own good.

>> No.5243322

>>5243305
THE WHOLE EXISTENCE OF EVERY THING THAT WAS IS OR WILL BE IS GOD. YOU, ME, THAT ROCK, THIS WEBSITE, ALL THE SPACE IN SPACE, THE ABSENCE OF DEATH AND PRE-BIRTH, AND ALL THE SPACE OF EVER WAS.

OPEN YOUR EYES FEDORA

You are not a lonely organism in a dumb world. All things are the same one thing going on. The same stuff, matter, energy, god, whatever you want to call it.

>> No.5243326

>>5242484
This type of person Rorty calls liberal ironic is the best description of my thinking I can come up with:

"(1) She has radical and continuing doubts about the final vocabulary she currently uses, because she has been impressed by other vocabularies, vocabularies taken as final by people or books she has encountered; (2) she realizes that arguments phrased in her present vocabulary can neither underwrite nor dissolve these doubts; (3) insofar as she philosophizes about her situation, she does not think that her vocabulary is closer to reality than others, that it is in touch with a power not herself."

Sounds extremely edgy though, I wouldn't describe myself like that to anyone.

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>>5243319

>> No.5243328

>>5243302
No examples of how he's wrong. Interesting.

>> No.5243335

>>5243317
Epistemology has been solved by the scientific method and ontology is a bunch of metaphysical bullshit without meaningful implications.

>> No.5243337

>>5243328
He is saying that a perception of the world is inaccurate. Is the earth worm experiencing the sun "wrongly"? There is no wrong. Think about what you people are spewing.

>> No.5243341

>>5243322
>panpsychism

>>>/x/

>> No.5243351

>>5243337
The earth worm doesn't experience anything because he has no consciousness.

>> No.5243352

>>5243341
That's not panpsychism...? What are you trying to say?

Are you actually denying that anything can exist separately from the rest of all things? A perception exists, it wholly exists in itself, in this being.

How the fuck is it not true?

>> No.5243357

>>5243351
>I've never made a worm writhe in pain and terror

>> No.5243359

>>5243352
>schizophasic ramblings

Take your meds.

>> No.5243360

Philosophical pessimism

>> No.5243369

>>5243357
>I antropomorphize insects because I have no friends

>> No.5243377

>>5243179
it's an analogy dickhead

>> No.5243381

>>5243312
>irregardless

>> No.5243389

>>5243369
I had a childhood.

Burning ants with magnifying glass - that kind of shit

>> No.5243409

>>5243351
Does in not have a nervous system? Is there a qualitative difference between conscious and non-conscious entities? Care to explain?
inb4 emergentism

>> No.5243419

>>5243409
He called a worm an insect here >>5243369

He's nothing more than 20 - something year old in the 21st century who's god is a scientism that he doesn't understand, but follows with the faith he claims to hate in religions.

>> No.5243422

>>5243409
A worm's "brain" doesn't have the complexity to develop consciousness.

>> No.5243426

>>5243351
>The earth worm doesn't experience anything because he has no consciousness.
If had a brain injury that destroyed their higher functions but left their nervous system intact, would that nervous system not be experiencing anything? Even a rock can have experiences, it just doesn't register them in any way other than the physical.

>> No.5243427

>>5243389
I had a childhood too. Torturing fogs, cats, dogs - that kind of shit.

inb4 edgy

>> No.5243431

>>5243419
>doesn't recognize a joke

Fucking autist.

>> No.5243432

>>5243426
Please get the fuck back to >>>/x/ with your panpsychism bullshit. You don't know shit about neuroscience.

>> No.5243435

>>5243427
>earthworms literally don't experience anything

Well you're a stupid little psychopath aren't you? The point of torture for edgy little runts like you is to be able to mimic empathy and understand others.

>> No.5243436

>>5243432
perhaps you should return to /sci/

>> No.5243439

>>5243422
At which threshold does a nervous system magically go from 'not complex enough' to 'complex enough to feel stuff'? When do embryos develop conscious experience then? Please settle this debate.

I heard the sun is a pretty complex entity with a lot of neat things going on. Is it conscious? Does it have any legal rights? Should we treat it as a moral agent?

You make very dubious claims.

>> No.5243440

>>5243432
It's not panpsychism you moron, it's semantics. Unless you're suggesting that there's something magical about consciousness then to experience something is purely a physical process. Anything can undergo that physical process, it's not something that requires consciousness.

>> No.5243447

>>5243431
You're on an online image board. Autism is the rule, not the exception.

Go use all those things you take for granted that we're invented by autists like Michelangelo, Alan Turing, or Newton.

>> No.5243452

gnostic atheism

>> No.5243453
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5243453

Absolute idealism

>> No.5243459

>>5243440
>>5243439
Consciousness is a phenomenon of the neocortex. Get the fuck out and learn some neuroscience.

>> No.5243461

General Semantics.

>> No.5243462

>>5242484
>Any date post 350 BCE
>Not incorporating Taoism into your life

shig

>> No.5243463

capitalism, nihilism, egotism

>> No.5243464

>>5243459
Consciousness has nothing directly to do with experience. It merely reacts to experiences. The reaction of a rock to an experience might be an awful lot simpler, but it's still experiencing.

>> No.5243467

>>5243462
pure taoism or the more modern chinese folk synthesis of taoism confucianism and buddhism (mahayana -> zen)?

>> No.5243469

>>5243439
It's just a matter of entropy in the system. Worms barely even process anything, it's the degree of and type of info- processing that matters. Maybe, like, a million worms would collectively muster the entropy of a person, but they are discrete beings and cont be collectivized.
Worms have SOME conscious experience, but thats just negligible in comparison. Its just semantics, bruv

>> No.5243470

>>5243463

I should think that those three don't sit well together, is that the case?

>> No.5243479

>>5242484
>Ctrl+F 'Stoic'

There was literally one post by mentioning stoicism and nothing else in this whole thread. I am disappointed /lit/

>> No.5243480

>>5243459
So pain and pleasure (arguably part of conscious experience) constructs of the neocortex?

Retake freshman biology pls

>> No.5243487

>>5243470
They are perfect together. That guy is poised to be the next billionaire industrialist super villain if he ever gets off 4chan.

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Frankfurt School. It's the only one that actually addresses the immediate problems we are facing.

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5243491

>schools and -isms

>> No.5243495

>>5243491
Popper's free society is a load of bollocks.

>> No.5243499

>>5243464
You are mentally retarded.

>>5243480
Where else do you think they are experienced? Do you believe in an immortal immaterial soul? Get the fuck out, christfag retard.

>> No.5243502

>>5243499
You're the one claiming magic here.

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>>5243495

>implying there have ever been successful societies based on 'infallible truths'

>> No.5243506

>>5243467
Whichever you prefer, but ideally a synthesis that you reach after removing the religious/contradictory parts of all of them.

>> No.5243540

>>5243499
Well, C-fibre and alpha-fibre exist throughout the body and transmit pain, among other things, to places like the amygdala and anterior cingulate cortex. This system is pretty much the same for all mammals, and surely they have capacity to feel pain? I mean, really now.

How does solving abstract puzzles relate to experience anyways? Was the neocortex actually the soul all along!? You haven't thought this through.

Also:
>muh scientism

>> No.5243586

>>5243495
How can his 'free society' work today when democracy would fall flat on it's face, everyone's too used to having representatives think for them.

>> No.5243596

>>5243480
>So pain and pleasure (arguably part of conscious experience) constructs of the neocortex?
Precisely.

Neurons have long gangly arms called axons with, using the arm anaology, fingers called dendrites. These arms extend out from the safety of synaptic clefts (the ones that pass through microglial cells) are branded 'afferent' and 'efferent' due to their polarity. Think back to high school electronics and how a diode or transistor has a polarity -- the structure of a brain is incredibly similar to an electronic circuit.

Now, these axons extend throughout the body to create a nervous system, and these types strongly interact with neuroglia (and astrocytes in the Gray matter input region -- the 'grey 'folds' of the brain.) and are responsible for perception of pain and pleasure with regard to sensation.

If I stabbed a pencil into your arm, a noticeable bioelectric change takes place in these astrocyte clusters ( we can actually pinpoint about 8 regions associated with physical pain). If I told you that your mother had been killed, a very similar biolectric change is registered.
---
If you're interested, not only has the axon of the arm been intercepted (in numerous repeatable experiments in labs all over the world), but neuroscientists have managed to attach terminals to the basil clusters by the central sulcus (in the brain, just behind the ear) and take control of the patients motor control – picture a guy sat in a chair, and wiggling his big toe everytime someone clicks the left mouse button.

>> No.5243656

>>5243596
While the technical description is lovely, isn't the limbic system responsible for the processing of pain and pleasure, which most vertebrates have analogous neural systems for?

I'm not quite sure how the astroglia in our neocortex entail human exceptionalism in terms of conscious experience.

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5243669

Nietzschean

>> No.5243687

>>5243596
>neuroscientists have managed to attach terminals to the basil clusters by the central sulcus (in the brain, just behind the ear) and take control of the patients motor control – picture a guy sat in a chair, and wiggling his big toe everytime someone clicks the left mouse button.

If this was true, Obama would be attaching robot packs to muslims and controlling them instead of using drones.

>> No.5243692

>>5243487

Sorry but that's not the case.

>> No.5243731

>>5242820
>Schopenhauer is fantastic but the universal will is bizarre, especially when he talks about its evidence in magnetism and crystal formations...
Fucking idiot. You can't even into metaphysics.

>> No.5243739

>>5243687
>If this was true, Obama would be attaching robot packs to muslims and controlling them instead of using drones.
Maybe in a decade or two.

"The BRAIN Initiative (Brain Research through Advancing Innovative Neurotechnologies) is a collaborative research initiative announced by the Obama administration on April 2, 2013, with the goal of mapping the activity of every neuron in the human brain. Based upon the Human Genome Project, the initiative has been projected to cost more than $300 million per year for ten years."

>> No.5243745

>>5243489
Nope, Evola does.

>> No.5243795

>>5243502
Science isn't magic.

>> No.5243800

>>5243745
Problem being that you have difficulties directing your fixations?

>> No.5243813

>>5243540
Afferent nerves have been shown to not contribute to the subjective quality of experience.

>> No.5243839

>>5243126
Science is dumb shit for nerds. Poetry and philosophy are much better.