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Thoughts on Dostoevsky?

>> No.6041688

I've never read him but I think he's fucking shit and I hate him. Anyone who likes him is a pleb.

>> No.6041690

>>6041676

He's great. One of the great novelists of history.

>> No.6041692

I've only read Demons.

In Demons alot of his writing was almost entirely devoid of actual plot progressing content. Most was dialogue between characters, of which there were many, and it would take a full blown autist to keep up with all the relationships, scandals, plots, rumors and aspersion that's going on between them.

That being said I think the characters in the book are the best part of it. They are interesting, well written, distinct individuals and all the main characters get developed. Hell almost all characters named get developed through the book.

It's a heavy read, but worth it.

>> No.6041704

>>6041688
Is this post-satirical new irony

>> No.6041711

Despite its meme status Crime and Punishment is my favourite book

>> No.6041715

I enjoy him but I don't find his philosophy very appealing. I still understand and respect it though.

>> No.6041762

>>6041676
A writer of the highest quality. A true artist. One of the staples of Russian literature. I think my favorite work was "notes from underground." Recently read the Idiot. Pretty depressing book. "The crocodile" was pretty a pretty amusing short story I recently read. In general I prefer Chekov for short stories but Dostoevsky has some great novels.

>> No.6041802

I like his characters and his style. They are both exaggerated, but somehow still sincere

>> No.6041838

>>6041676
Mixed feelings. I've only read C & P and Notes, but I think Corn Father's critique is valid. Dosto's writing style is foggy and onerous to read. C & P rambles aimlessly for pages. The narrative in the second half of Notes is inconsequential. His psychological insight is undeniable though, and the philosophical themes in Notes are very provocative. I've recognized psychological drives at work in my own psyche by reading his works. But if you subscribe to Nabokov's pure aesthetics theory, I think Dostoevsky is definitely overrated.

>> No.6041839

A nothing

>> No.6041843

I once started reading "Humiliated and Insulted". It made me feel cozy but it didn't seem to be leading anywhere so I just stopped.

>> No.6041844

>>6041688
>dostoevsky would've appreciated dubs
I just can't help thinking about how BK was 1/3 of a trilogy. he took those other 2/3s with him to the grave and i d sacrifice the lives of every troll on here just to get a peek at a page of it.

>> No.6041852

Anyone who knows anything about russian culture and history will recognise how amazingly accurate his works were. He is the common mans writer,he wrote about 'plebs' but he made them seem interesting. His dialogue writing is second to none.

>> No.6041969

I have no doubt that Nabokov was genuine in all his feelings about other writers, slams and praises included, but the Dosto one just feels off to me. What about Notes from Underground is sentimental? And can you really call something like Crime & Punishment reactionary when it spends so much time genuinely exploring the thoughts of Raskolnikov?

Nabby also glosses what a strong writer of plot Dosto was. The Svidrigailov stuff all comes in very nicely and pays off in a satisfying way...it's several stories but one big thematically and narratively unified story.

Dostoevsky rules even if Nabokov comes by his hatred of him honestly. also I haven't read the Brothers Karamozov yet

>> No.6041982

Most intense writer

>> No.6042043

>>6041493
>>6041838
That's because Nabokov was only into aesthetics, not in content.

>> No.6042048

>>6041844
We all would.
If God exists and I go to haven I am fucking reading those books.

>> No.6042066

I'm Russian and I dislike him. You could pick literally any other Russian classic and he would much more interesting to read than Fedya.

>> No.6042076

>>6041762
The Idiot fucked me up really bad... it was awesome

>> No.6042080

ghastly

>> No.6042091

I've only read The Idiot and thought it was quite uneven. Many parts of pure genius and unmatchable psychological drama, which are then spoiled by 20-page rants about 19th century Russian politics and a plot spinning out of control. Will definitely give his better works a go.

>> No.6042353

I've only read Notes and C & P. What is TBK like? Is it as dense as Notes, does it ramble like C & P?

>> No.6042445

>>6042353
TBK is the Goat m8. It's clearly his best work. More balanced than C&p and not quite as dense as the first half of notes. Keep in mind he intended on writing a trilogy after TBK. It's still goat tier lit though, especially the grand inquisitor

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>>6041688
I see what you did there m8

>> No.6042624

>>6041676
edgy shit

>> No.6042644

Tolstoy should have listened to his agent and never have written Lolita.

>> No.6042878

>>6042445
thank m80

>> No.6042906

>>6041852
This. Dostoevsky, despite his incredible artistic talent, was no aesthete. His primary concern was always the reputation of the human condition. And that's probably why Nabokov and his followers consider him to be second-rate at best. In my book, though, Dostoevsky will always be GOAT.

>> No.6044489

>>6042048
>If God exist
>If
There's no more "If" for me after I've read Dostoevsky.
Can't wait to read the other two parts of the trilogy in heaven. See you there Anon.

>> No.6044493

>>6044489
I have read half of it by now and I don't want it to end. ;_;

>> No.6044498

>>6044493
I felt so empty when I finished his work. It's been around 1 year and I still haven't found an author better than him.

>> No.6044550

>>6044498
I felt the same about Tolstoy, I like Dostoevsky (read C&P and BK, stopped reading Notes as I was depressed and it wasn't helping) but I do agree that he sometimes writes a bit incoherently and it can make some of the less exciting chapters a bit of a drag.

>> No.6044556

>>6041676
>Thoughts on Dostoevsky?

Teenagers like him because they think reading Russian literature will get them laid by sensitive girls who think they're deep.

It doesn't work. Sensitive girls like utter bastards.

>> No.6044585

>>6044556
le freindzoned again

>> No.6044613

>>6044498
I read TBK 2 years ago and I'm convinced I will never read something as good as this.

>> No.6044653

>>6044613
Same, it's been my favorite book since I've read it.

>> No.6044684

>>6044556
>be on train yesterday
>reading Hadji Murád by Tolstoy
>nobility in it speaking French
>cultured looking 40 y/o-ish woman sitting in front of me
>ask her if she happens to know French
>says no, asks me what I need translated
>show her the sentences
>she looks at it, can't figure it out either, asks me what I study
>history, I just read this for fun
>we talk about Russian literature always containing French and the relation between France and Russia
>she asks me if I've read any other Russians, like Dostoyevsky
>name the works I've read by him
>she smiles ''wow, looks like you really know your classics''
>it's her stop, she smiles again, wishes me luck with the French
>say goodbye

In another 20 years or so it's all going to be worth it.

>> No.6044699

>>6042066
Is it true that Dosto's Russian prose is absolute shit?

>> No.6044714

>>6041676
hes afyu cking cuck piece of fuckign shit jew x

>> No.6044724

>>6041676
Vastly overrated on this board, still pretty good.
>>6044699
Average I would say, but not bad at all.

>> No.6044740

>>6044699
No, it isn't something special, but it gets the job done.

>> No.6044747

>>6044699
Didnt read him in russian yet but I've been told by some of my russian friends that he doesnt write that "russian" like for example Tolstoy. Im not exactly sure what this means since I just started reading in russian myself but its also not the first time Ive heard people saying his prose is shit.
Any russian natives around ?

>> No.6044757

I don't like him but I can see why people do and the artistic value he has just from the sheer fucked upness of his life story.
Misery doesn't have much depth in my own life.

>> No.6044770

>>6041676
It's absolutely baffling how he seems to write everyone's thoughts so effortlessly, whether they be prostitutes, drunks, students, officers, women, girls or boys. Some of his works read like Harry Potter, while having the content of a philosophical work.