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>had had

>> No.6102639

>Thomas, at a young age, had had an issue tying his shoelaces; this was soon resolved by consulting his father.

What's wrong with consecutive hads?

>> No.6102644

>>6102639
One had suffices, in all cases.

>> No.6102649
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6102649

>by in large

>> No.6102652
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6102652

>James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

>> No.6102655
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6102655

>that that

>> No.6102662

>>6102644
Not true. One 'had' sets us on a flat timeline in the past that implies an action occurred all throughout said timeline, while two 'hads' keep us in the past while also telling us that an action that occurred even further in the past has ceased.
e.g. I had an orgasm when the door opened vs. I had had an orgasm when the door opened

>> No.6102669
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6102669

>using an Oxford comma

>> No.6102671

>for all intensive purposes

>> No.6102674

>>6102662
Nonsense.

>two 'hads' keep us in the past while also telling us that an action that occurred even further in the past has ceased.

So does one had. There is zero difference in meaning among your examples.

>> No.6102676

>>6102674
u r dumb : ^ )

>> No.6102683

>>6102676
He's right, there's no dif.

>> No.6102688

>off of
>of of
>of off

>> No.6102694

>is as
>as is

>> No.6102696

>Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

>> No.6102704

>>6102671
>for all enhanced corpuses

>> No.6102721
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6102721

>a diamond dozen

>> No.6102723

>in the flat field

>> No.6102735
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6102735

>>6102730

>> No.6102743

nous nous

>> No.6102760

>confusing if and whether

>> No.6102763

>not knowing when to use further instead of farther and vice versa.

>> No.6102956
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6102956

>using ellipses literally ever

>> No.6103278

>>6102674
you're wrong
i really try to avoid using two hads in succession because it's a bit ugly, but it does change the timing of the action

>> No.6103290

>>6102624
>Police police police, police police, police police polce

>> No.6103293
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6103293

> would of

>> No.6103296

>i could care less

>> No.6103298

>>6102956
Gaddis uses it it a lot in dialogues. And I'm pretty sure Gravity's rainbow has a few.

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6103315

>>6102669

>not using an Oxford comma

>> No.6103317

>>6102956
Bulgakov uses these all the time.

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6103344

>he or she

>> No.6103557

>>6102624
>that that

>> No.6103564

>>6103298
Ulysses has it as well

>> No.6103625

>>6103344
that picture is profound

do you mind if i save it? i really really like it.

>> No.6103630

>>6103625
>the light inside has broken but I still work

Why is that soda machine describing me ?

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6103633

>>6103625
Take it, it's yours.

This one is hands off though.

>> No.6103665

>>6103633
>tfw 10-second messages left on food machines are entirely too deep

>> No.6103716

>>6102674
>>6102683
Allow me to try and explain that anon's point. In the first sentence of his example, the narrator's orgasm and the opening of the door occur simultaneously, whereas in the second, the orgasm is complete when the door opens.

>> No.6103727

>>6102669
You disgust me.

>> No.6103731

>>6103716
"I had an orgasm when the door opened" is not the same as "I was having an orgasm when the door opened", so that anon's point is wrong.

>> No.6103737

>>6102956
Ellipses are useful and exist for a reason. Your dialogue skills are shit.

>> No.6103748

>>6102671
>for all in tents and porpoises

>>6103315
Beat me to it.

>>6102669
I would like hang you upside down from the ceiling by your scrotum until you die of dehydration. Check that, I'll force water into you and let you die of starvation so your pain lasts longer.

>> No.6103755

>>6102674
>>6103278
>>6103716
Thank god for portuguese.
>tinha tido

You guys need more verbs.

>> No.6103761

>>6102669
>I invited the strippers, Stalin, and Lenin.

>>I invited the strippers, Stalin and Lenin.

the oxford comma's utility for resolving such ambiguities is so well known that i stole this example from an internet meme picture.

>> No.6103762

>>6103731
Ok, I'll bite and try one more time. "I had an orgasm when the door opened" = a person has an orgasm when the fucking door opens. "I had had an orgasm . . ." = the orgasm had already occurred when the door opened.

>>6102956
Bite me.

>> No.6103768

>>6103731
looks like someone needs to read Bergson's essays on memory and duration :^)

>> No.6103771

>>6103755
>HEY, EVERYONE! I KNOW PORTUGESE!!!!

No one cares, third-world nobody.

>> No.6103774

>>6103768
looks like someone needs to read Bergson's essays on memory and duration again :^)

>> No.6103791

>>6103762
>"I had an orgasm when the door opened" = a person has an orgasm when the fucking door opens.

no

>> No.6103796

>>6103791
He''s right.

>> No.6103816

>>6103796
except he isn't

if they happen at the same time it would be "i was having an orgasm when the door opened" or "...as the door opened."

"i had an orgasm when the door opened" is ambiguous and doesn't mean they happen at the same time, it's just like "had had an orgasm"

>> No.6103821

>>6102674
>I had an orgasm when the door opened
I have a pretty weird fetish about doors
>I had had an orgasm when the door opened
I finished masturbating to door fetish porn when someone entered my room and busted me Also I had another orgasm because I'm sexually attracted to doors

>> No.6103829

>>6103816
"I was having" and "as the door opened" don't have the causal meaning this has >>6103821

>> No.6103834

>>6103771
>a comment about a language on a shitpost thread is bad enough to warrant name-calling
/lit/ at its finest.

>> No.6103911

>>6103816
You make me want to slam my head repeatedly into a wall until I no longer have the capability of being cognizant of the fact that people as stupid as you exist, let alone browse a board dedicated to literature.

>> No.6103948

>>6102956
I really hate these...

It makes you think they're going to say something else...

>>6103625
>>6103630
>>6103344
I like it, too. It's cute. Or depressing, depending on how you view it.

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6104048

>[anything by an American]

>> No.6104091

>>6103911
Why not just admit you're wrong?

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6104099

>>6104091

>> No.6104116
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6104116

>in and off itself

>> No.6104187

>>6102624
had had had had

>> No.6104195
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6104195

>>6103761
I use and love the Oxford comma but this post is pure fucking ideology.

>To my lover, Ryan, and my family.
Is Ryan my lover? Or is Ryan another element int he sequence?

>> No.6104198

>>6102624

pluperfect dawg

>> No.6104212

>>6104195
>>To my lover, Ryan, and my family.
Think that means that Ryan is your lover, if not it wouldn't be a comms after Ryan, surely?

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6104231

>>6102624
>that that

>> No.6104246

>>6104195
Finally a good reason for a semicolon!

please don't ban me

>> No.6104264

>>6104246
>semicolon
But where do you use it?!

>to my lover; Ryan, and my family.
>to my lover, Ryan; and my family.

Also in the original post isn't the phrase: "To my lover Ryan, and my family" the correct form?

>> No.6104267

>>6104195
>To my lover – Ryan –, and my family.
heeheehee

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6104271

>>6102624
>never you mind

Why does no one else fucking hate it when Faulkner does this stupid shit?'

>never you mind

what the fuck?????
WHAT THE FUCK?

IT'S NEVER MIND

WHAT THE FUCK

>> No.6104284

>>6104264
The second one was meant, probably. Semicolons separate items.
But — they can be used to make lists within lists:
>I bought apples, oranges, bananas; chicken, eggs, milk; and so on and son.
So the ambiguity continues!

>> No.6104287

>>6104271
You are stupid. Too stupid to live.

>> No.6104306

>>6104264
>Also in the original post isn't the phrase: "To my lover Ryan, and my family" the correct form?
Doesn't have the pause, which changes the... feeling of it.

>> No.6104323

>>6104287
>ad hominid
>no explanation
>no opinion
>being this retarded

>> No.6104361

>>6104323
its just a colloquialism. calm the fuck down you assburger fuck.

>> No.6104366

>>6102644
wrong

>> No.6104385

>>6104361
>google is my friend

>> No.6104397

>>6104385
What in the actual fuck is wrong with you to be this retarded and ignorant over some idiom and then keep shitposting about NOTHING when you're confronted with you irrational stupidity? Is this autism? Are you just a teenager? There can't be that many actually autistic people here. Though I suppose /lit/ is slow and a couple of NEETs with nothing to do could certainly create a presence.

>> No.6104398

>>6104385
>my autism totally isnt flared up right now

>> No.6105587

>>6104284
>>6104264
>>6104246
>>6104195
Does /lit/ seriously not know how semicolons work?
They state the logical conclusion to things.
>to my lover; Ryan, and my family.
Means the lover is both Ryan and his/her family.

>> No.6105808

>>6102624

>Habia tenido

Dumbass

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>>6104195

You're only listing two pertinent elements regarding the postulated "lover"; "To my lover..." references Ryan, so really stating "Ryan" is just a specific reiteration of the orator's "lover". The sentence doesn't list three individual entities, only two--as stated, both the lover and Ryan can be conflated, and so this presumed conclusion that the oxford comma is somehow nonsensical here is...nonsense.

The initial comma could also be omitted w/o any solecism occurring.

>> No.6106923

>>6102624
> Literally no one having a clue what the OP is about
Pluperfect of 'have'.

End of story.

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6106953

>How do you mean?

>> No.6107028

had had >>> hadd

that that >>> thatt

captcha efete

>> No.6109111

>>6106953
>A: How do you mean?
>B: Sarcastically.

>> No.6109153

>>6102669
You, my friend, are a faggot.

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6109210

> it was as if

>> No.6109357

Had had is grammatically correct you fucker

>> No.6109386

>>6102624
James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher.

>> No.6109401

>>6102671
>intensive porpoises

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6109572

>>6103344
>he

>> No.6109605

>>6104116
>trotskyites

>> No.6109671

>>6105587
>Does /lit/ seriously not know how semicolons work?
So your post would seem to imply.

>> No.6109691

>>6102674
This is bait right guys.. Right?

>> No.6110213

>>6104323
>ad hominid

>> No.6110274

>>6105587
A semi-colon is basically a stand-in for a conjunction.
It can be used in place of a conjunction, to form a complex sentence, or as a list separator.
Your sentence does not need a semi-colon.

>> No.6110281

>>6110274
*Compound sentence.
Been awhile since grammar school.

>> No.6110294

>>6102624
English is such an awful language.

>> No.6110306

>>6110294
Agreed. It's only good for memes and pornography.

>> No.6110396

>>6110306
Spanish is better for both.

>> No.6110429

>that that
>had had
>in one sentence

Edy began to get ready to go and it was high time for her and Gerty noticed that that little hint she gave had had the desired effect because it was a long way along the strand to where there was the place to push up the pushcar

>> No.6111724

>>6109572
>baseline

>> No.6111734

>>6110396
I believe portuguese to be the language of memes

>> No.6111737

>>6102624
How are you supposed to conjugate "have" for the past perfect?

>> No.6111747

>>6111734
vitun narttu :DDDDD

>> No.6111778

>amn't

>> No.6112364

>The same word separated by a full stop or comma.
He couldn't understand it. It had a disorienting effect on him.

>> No.6113521

>>6104195
It would be easier to differentiate whether Ryan was the lover or not by reorganizing the list

>To my lover, my family, and Ryan.

It doesn't flow the same but it definitely solves the problem