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https://archive.today/zRB16

What's this bullshit, /lit/?

You told me these dykes wash out after their MFAs

>> No.6422259

Only the one you chose as an OP image is remotely bad.

>> No.6422265

Shouldn't it be "Read fewer straight white men"

>> No.6422267

>>6422265
Lol yeah, women are fucking retards who don't understand basic diction

>> No.6422279

Stop giving retards attention they don't deserve, you NEET

>> No.6422280

Some of these are so vague that it's difficult to take them as legitimate criticism. e.g.
>GET OVER IT
>Listen
>Grow Up
>Look out the window!
>Chill
The message that can be inferred from a few just sounds like whining about bad authors.
I'm more offended by the concept that "all white men need to chill, listen, stop", etc. It's not just people who make an effort to offend them, but straight white males in general as just by the virtue of them being straight white males their presence in the literature scene is disgusting.

>> No.6422286

>>6422265
Translation:

READ LESS LITERATURE

This is why high school kids will soon be reading pamphlets on how to install insulation.

>> No.6422288

>>6422265
Beat me to it. I have a feeling you're a straight white men too.

>> No.6422293

>>6422245

How about this. Straight white men only read the works of other straight white men, and the non-straight white men can read the works by non-straight white men. Also, don't use anything else we invented.

>> No.6422295

What is the point behind all this? They want straight white men to abandon literature?

>> No.6422300

>>6422295
That there are other narrative voices than straight white men even though straight white men, even the legends, write with passion and verve from the perspectives of homosexuals, women, non-whites, and so on, all the time. Life has become an Olympics of people striving to be the most persecuted.

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Ebin

>> No.6422314 [DELETED] 

>>6422300
It's funny, that was me of the first things that hit me too. If an author's a white male it's not difficult to tell by his writing, but that's not in any way "discriminatory" or offensive.
I've never noticed a difference between the writing of a straight male and a gay male, though.

>> No.6422319

>>6422245
It's not messages to straight white men though

It's messages to "straight white men PUBLISHING"

You left that key last word out for trolling purposes. Nice one OP.

>> No.6422322

>>6422300
When has a straight male writer ever written successfully from the perspective of a gay man?

>> No.6422332

>>6422322
When I wrote about your mom getting fucked by me.

>> No.6422334

I'm a student of a great books program, a notoriously straight white field, and even then I've read the following:

Straight Asian Men:
Confucius
Buddha
Yamamoto Tsunetomo
Miyamoto Musashi
Lao Tzu
Basho (maybe gay)
Haruki Murakami

Straight Asian Women:
Murasaki Shikibu

Straight Black Men:
Dubois

Gay Black Men:
James Baldwin

Gay White Men:
Dozens of Greeks
Goethe
Oscar Wilde

Lesbian White Women:
Sappho

Straight White Women:
Virginia Woolf

So pretty much read Asian men and get your multicultural points while still remaining patrician.

>> No.6422340

>>6422306
>>6422245
would

>> No.6422343

>>6422340
The chink? Really??

>> No.6422351

>>6422259
Half of them are awful.

>> No.6422352

>>6422334
>Dozens of Greeks
Probably all of them preferred women, just saying

>> No.6422353

Haven't heard of a single one of those schmucks and they'll all go to their graves without having produced anything of worth.

>> No.6422354

>>6422322
The Great Gatsby

>> No.6422360

>>6422343
Why not?

>> No.6422362

>Diversity makes you strong
Like it's a vitamin or something

>> No.6422363

>>6422334
Daily reminder that applying modern sexual identities to the ancient world is anachronistic.

>> No.6422365

>>6422334
GOETHE WAS GAY?!

>> No.6422366

>>6422352
Nah dude, in a Plato dialogue a character creates a myth to explain why some guys preferred men and some preferred women

>> No.6422367

>>6422352
Eh id go for the bisexual =/= straight card

by that you could include shakespeare too, probably, and lots of other writers. There's an unexpected number of bisexual people in history

>> No.6422368

>>6422265
>women
Ayy lmao

>> No.6422372

>>6422363
Like these faux-fem twats care.

>> No.6422373

>>6422322
Hubert Selby, Jr.?

>> No.6422374

as a white male, am I supposed to stop writing? isn't that... racist?

>> No.6422377

>>6422245
cultural marxism

>> No.6422378

>>6422374
its also sexist, and heterophobic

>> No.6422380

>>6422374
No, you are a writer, not a (big) publisher.

>> No.6422381

>>6422377
Doesn't make any normative statements.

>> No.6422386

With jk rowling being the biggest contemporary author, now seems a better time to be a non-white straight male writer than ever.
Why are they going crazy?

>> No.6422388

>>6422245
Even though it's longer, why can't it be 'Read more writers who aren't straight white men'?

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>>6422365
Damn, he knew he was going to hell when he wrote Faust. I don't know how that changes things but it kinda does.

>> No.6422398

>>6422388
She shouldn't have to sugercoat her words so she doesn't hurt straight white male feelings.

>> No.6422399

>>6422388
Why not just stop at "Read more"

>> No.6422410

well. this was some stupid shit.

So....ReaderGate when?

I bet these girls cant stand Starship Troopers.

>> No.6422411

>>6422245
This is hilarious, such "tolerance".

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>>6422373
>>6422322
seriously, though, did he? I'm specifically talking about Last Exit to Brooklyn. Anyone read that? Thoughts?

>> No.6422414

>>6422245
"Read my 100 page 'graphic novels' that are just vignettes about dykes bitching"

>> No.6422415

>>6422380

as a white male, should I expect to not be published or feel bad for trying to publish my work with a (big) publisher?

>> No.6422416

>>6422410
Already exists. Called Sad Puppies.

>> No.6422417

>>6422334
im sure you've read way more gay or at least bi white dudes if you've read much at all

>> No.6422426

>>6422399
Thiiiiiiiis.

>>6422398
Suck a bag of dicks?

>> No.6422430

all this "straight white men" shit seems to be an absurdist in joke concocted by hipsters. no sane person would give a shit.

>> No.6422432

>>6422416
That's not about real literature thou

>> No.6422434

>>6422416
The "Sad Puppies" are just as retarded as the liberals
At least the KiA side of GamerGate has some sense

>> No.6422436

>>6422415
You should expect to be published and feel bad for the minorities that wont.

It's all bullshit, though.

>> No.6422437

You can keep reading white cis-men, but I believe they are saying that other demographics of writers are ignored based on prejudice.

>> No.6422438

>>6422432
>>6422434
No reason it couldn't expand though.

>> No.6422439

Which is more important:
-the 'perspective' a writer offers (aka how many minorities they belong to)
-the literary quality of their work

>> No.6422440

>>6422398

then why should we sugarcoat our words to not hurt SJW's feelings?

>> No.6422447

do straight white women not know that after straight white men, they're going to the next target? as soon as this feminism revival peaks minority women will be the first to proclaim that they should be counted differently than whites. it will be interesting to see how the white women handle that.

>> No.6422451

>>6422440
Because they live on the unsaid assumption that women/minorities/gays etc are weaker and more easily harmed than straight white men.

>> No.6422452

>>6422306
I am very embarrassed for her.

>> No.6422454

>>6422438
No reason it should.

>> No.6422456

>>6422439
the latter, but the former may inform the latter

>> No.6422458

>>6422447
What "feminist revival"? I know a lot of normies IRL who see the bullshit coming from this wave of feminism

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>>6422306
>leftists in the 1930s: "Sit down and let us liquidate the kulaks as a class"
>leftists in the 2010s: "Sit down and let us abolish the white race as a social category"

If I were a white man living in a Western country, I would be very afraid. Such people will have no moral qualms about exterminating you, since their worldview already condones it. Specially Asians, such as this girl, there is a reason why the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the Cambodian Killing Fields are so uniquely to Asia.

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>>6422447
White feminists will gladly go to the harem of black and muslim alpha males. The reason they came to hate white men is because they were the only men to fall for feminist calls for gender equality.

>> No.6422482

>tfw straight non-white male
How easy would it be for me to bang one of these hipster qts?

>> No.6422485

>>6422473
I can be a masculine feminist, not all masculinity is considered harmful.

>> No.6422488 [DELETED] 

>>6422245
>please by my book

>> No.6422489

>>6422485
>a masculine feminist
And what does this look like.

>> No.6422494

>>6422482
They probably wouldn't fug you if they found out you visited THE CATHEDRAL OF MISOGYNY

>> No.6422499

>>6422456

There's been no evidence, theoretic or otherwise, to suggest that

I mean, look at the body of work of white men, I mean holy shit

>> No.6422501

>>6422343

I bet she looks great with cum on her face

I'm not even joking (I had an asian gf once).

>> No.6422504

>>6422332
/thread

>> No.6422513

>>6422504

said Jimmy, my best friend in 6th grade

>> No.6422520

GUYS, GUYS, LET'S BE SERIOUS HERE
How would Zizek react to this?

>> No.6422523

>>6422489
Someone who accepts feminity without prejudice while maintaining my own masculinity
I can at least tolerate non-violent differences that I have with someone.

>> No.6422542

>>6422499
what the fuck are you talking about? even those white men have had their 'literary' work informed by their perspective.

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>>6422437
Sure seems like it.

>> No.6422547

>>6422520
how does zizek react to everything, anon?

>> No.6422554

>>6422458
>normies
fucking christ, go back to your cesspool robot

>> No.6422559

>>6422365
Do you guys pronounce Goethe like Gertuh?

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>>6422245
What about bisexual white men?

>> No.6422563

>>6422554
I don't go to /r9k/, I just said normie as a way to describe someone who doesn't browse 4chan
Lack of a better term

>> No.6422568

>>6422563
do you expect me to apologize?

>> No.6422573

>>6422568
No.

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>>6422563
it'll probably be better to just use the older term 'normalfag'

>> No.6422585

>>6422577
shut up, wanna be oldfag

>> No.6422615

>>6422374
Don't write, don't go into any STEM fields, don't go into politics, don't go into film-making, don't go into the comic book industry, and don't go into the video game industry. Don't go anywhere people complain about lack of diversity because you're part of the problem.

Basically just be a stock boy or trash collector or any other number of unwanted jobs so you can minimize oppression you inflict on others. Remember, one more job for straight white males is one less job for everyone else.

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>> No.6422635

>>6422618
To be fair though American Gods was fucking trash.

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>>6422245
Why don't they just write better books instead of crying?
In fact, it's not hard to get published nowadays with their "diverse" mindset, what are they trying to pull?

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6422640

>tfw when you dig the qt 3.14 hipster grill like the one in the OP and in the background of OP and they probably hate you & have lesbian orgies

>> No.6422646

>>6422618
I don't think you're allowed to critique any book, regardless of how bad it is, while wearing a dr who shirt.

>> No.6422648

>>6422430
Straight white men are a bogeyman for people to project their fears and anxieties onto.

>> No.6422704

>>6422640
Women are vile. They have poison juices inside of them. Stay pure, anon.
Don't let them corrupt you with their juices.

>> No.6422706

>>6422559
Isn't it like "Ghe-teh"?

>> No.6422710

>>6422640
what an absolute semen demon!

>> No.6422717

>>6422704
poison juices of absolute maddening joy and ecstasy!

>> No.6422718

>>6422640
I usually like short-haired girls but there is something wrong with her face.
Also
>that fucking stupid filter

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http://www.buzzfeed.com/isaacfitzgerald/made-writing-seem-possible#.gaL8V7NZR

>book that inspired you to write
Of course it did.

>> No.6422725

>>6422721
Not clicking that, gonna need an archive link.

>> No.6422731

>>6422721
>>6422725
https://archive.today/nsmSl

>> No.6422747

>>6422721
It's doubtful that the combined efforts of these nobodies could string together a halfway decent sentence.

>> No.6422754

>>6422306
Jesus christ
I have yellow fever but those fucking eyes. The glasses aren't doing her any favors at all either

>> No.6422759

>>6422721
>buzzfeed
I wrote a 2 page paper on why one should use Buzzfeed for my English class. Shit was cash

>> No.6422775

>>6422718
>there is something wrong with her face.

its the fake smile. probably a depressive cunt attached to her cactuses and cat

>> No.6422778

>>6422721
The joke is that she looks like and basically IS a female Ignatius, right?

>> No.6422780

>>6422718
>something wrong with her face.

She has a vacuous, mannequin face

>> No.6422790

>>6422706
I thought it was "Goth" like the Germanic Ostrogoths and Visigoths...
And like Amon Goethe from Schindler's list.

>> No.6422793

>>6422544
Kaffir plz

>> No.6422798

>We owe you nothing.

Funny, this is what I usually think when a woman or minority presents me with a list of things they want me to do because I'm a straight white male.

>>6422265
Grammar is a tool of the patriarchy.

>> No.6422808

>>6422245
Do they not see they irony of some of this shit?

"We will abolish you."
"Grow up."
"Look out the window."

Seriously?

>> No.6422815

>>6422636
Because they're getting published in droves, but no one is reading them because they write trash.

>> No.6422827

>>6422808
>"We will abolish you."

More hilariously, it's actually "Let us abolish you." They aren't even willing to fight for what they want, they expect straight white males to provide it to them.

>> No.6422834

>>6422827
Nice close reading anon

>> No.6422841

>>6422827
Oh yeah, you're right. Jesus.

While reading those, I kept finding myself thinking, "What the fuck did I do to you?!" They're pretty much stereotyping all straight white makes. Fucking hell.

>> No.6422851

>>6422245
What even warranted these messages or an article about it? Was there some get together with all these straight white male authors who burned tons of books written by minorities in a grand bonfire that I missed or something? I don't fucking get it at all.

>> No.6422862

>>6422640
theyre usually bisexual actually

and bohemian types so pretty easy to fuck

i go to art school

>> No.6422864

First and last words anyone will read from these writers.

>> No.6422870

>>6422864
True

>> No.6422874

>>6422864
Not true, I'm sure they will get much praise from their echo chambers.

>> No.6422971

>>6422322
confessions of a mask

>> No.6422975

>>6422971
>Mishima
>straight
He went to gay bars, dude.

>> No.6422983

>>6422300
80% of fiction is bought by women

>> No.6422987

>>6422413
>>6422971
>>6422975
>>6422322
well, this man is straight afaik

>> No.6422994

>>6422983
Maybe if you're counting 50 Shades and those books with Fabio on the cover.

>> No.6422997

>>6422334
>Straight White Women:
>Virginia Woolf
Read Orlando, dude. She had a boner for her female friend and wrote a novel about that friend being a male

>> No.6422999

Think of it this way: a campaign to get people to read more black/female/lgbt literature.

Instead of: a campaign to get people to stop reading white male authors.

Bad PR? maybe. But we could all read more.

I just got some Frederick Douglas and Beauvoir. I'm excited. Maybe I'll read Faulkner when I'm done, because I break all the rules. You dig?

>> No.6423000

>>6422293
B-b-but i enjoy Faulkner.

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>>6422489
like this

>> No.6423004

>>6422437

' Prejudice' is a nice cover word for lack of ability.

>>6422523
According to modern feminists masculinity and femininity are social constructs used for white cis-men to enslave the rest of the world.

>> No.6423008

>>6423001
Hipsters aren't fat

>> No.6423016

>>6422245
>“We owe you nothing.”
I don't you owe you anything either. Why the fuck should I include about something that isn't me?

>> No.6423021

>>6422721
the irony is lost in that landwhale.

>> No.6423022

>>6423004
why do you think minority writers lack literary ability? i assume you are ignoring given the post you're responding to?

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>>6423008

>> No.6423028

>>6423008
Don't mention that to them because it might become a new thing. The fat hipster.

>> No.6423030

>>6423024
Maybe he's ironically fat?

>> No.6423033

>>6423028

Nobody wants to be fat. You feel tired and disgusting and sweaty all the time. It's pretty shitty, man.

>> No.6423037

>>6423033
>Nobody wants to be fat.
Oh you poor, innocent, tumblr-free child.

Never google HAES, please.

>> No.6423043

>>6423033
Nobody wants to be short sighted either but this doesn't stop hipsters from wearing black frame glasses even if their vision is 20/20.

>> No.6423044

>>6422778
One of them, yeah.

>> No.6423046

>>6423022
>why do you think minority writers lack literary ability?

Because they're all such shit

The good ones are far and few between, and most of them are asian.

>> No.6423047

>>6423033
Ehehehehehehehe someone's never heard of the gainer/feederism fetish

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6423048

lol ugly bitch

>> No.6423052

>>6423022

I don't, I think the good ones get read and the bad ones don't, simple as that.

Also if these people were genuinely about their work they wouldn't care about the number of people who read their work, they would be doing it for themselves.

>> No.6423053

>>6423048
looks like a old witch

>> No.6423054

>>6423033
What about starving africans?

>> No.6423055

>>6423037
>HAES
>only if you are female ofc

>> No.6423058

>>6423048
name? name? name? fuck.dead.

>> No.6423060

>>6423052
I've got an idea. Why don't we have a central register where every writer is handed a gender/race neutral pseudonym?

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>>6423058
Game? game? game?

>> No.6423066

>>6423058
>>6423061
wat?

>> No.6423068

>>6423043
Anti-hip is the new cool.

>>6423047
Pure ideology, they're just pretending to be happy.

>> No.6423072

>>6423068
>they're just pretending to be happy
Aren't we all?

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>>6423068
limb?
Fuck Aleister Crowley

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>>6423073
Tammy Tampon got loose.

>> No.6423077

>>6422463
>If I were a white man living in a Western country, I would be very afraid
>I would be very afraid

literally, nothing to fear

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>>6423075
Grow Up! Can you read?

>> No.6423081

>>6422245
Why would they think passive aggressive or even blatantly aggressive sentences are going to help their position?

"She's coming for you." Wow, that really made me think of you as an equal.

>> No.6423087

>>6423081
>leftists
>capable of thinking
pick 0

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6423088

Fuck off game name Tammy tampon boy!

>> No.6423092

>>6422463
Just passing around the same pad and marker and getting people to write a generic message on it.
I'm not pissing my pants yet.

>> No.6423093

>>6423077
Wait another 100 years. Sure, whites have more power now, but what happens when they reach minority status in their own countries?

>> No.6423095

>>6423088
She's up to no good...

>> No.6423096

>>6423087
I keep hearing this hick from the sticks meme. Are you just joking around?

>> No.6423097
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6423097

>>6423088
>>6423095
"She's coming for you"

>> No.6423101

>>6423097

I'll come for her

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6423107

>>6423088
Trouble maker

>> No.6423108

>>6423101
Woah anon, that's only okay when she does it.

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>>6423097

That is almost sort of pitiful

>> No.6423117

>>6423097
that curly hair is sexy as fuck

>> No.6423118

>>6423097
Coming like in a sexual way? I don't get it. I never met her.

>> No.6423119

>>6423097
I want to jackhammerdrill her with my two inch terror.

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6423120

>>6423107
"Eternal rebel"
"She's coming for you"

>> No.6423121

>>6423096
just joshing brev!

>> No.6423122

>18. “You have not doomed us. You’ve doomed yourselves.”

2real4me.

>> No.6423126

>>6423117
Too bad she's a proper cunt.

>> No.6423128

>>6423122

Rorschach was there? Why'd they let him write one?

>> No.6423129

>>6423097
middle-finger thread, go.

isn't doing that w/ the knuckles uncomfortable?

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6423130

What does "We are not tokens" mean?

>> No.6423131

>>6423122
YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED IT

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>>6423119
>two inch terror
Shit, my sides

>> No.6423134

>>6423096
The left wing has been disgusting for some time now. The neofascists and neoNazis in Europe are more informed than them. Liberals/Neoliberals are stuck in some sort of modernism-postmodernism Frankenstein monster. The right wing is full blown postmodernism. Perhaps uneducated, but they fully accept postmodern principles like relativism and cultural constructs. Zizek even talks about this.

>> No.6423135

>>6423126
well see I know this guy that knows how to
>>6423119

>> No.6423137

>>6423126
It's the easiest way to flip someone off because you can hold your hand more firmly that way.

>> No.6423138

>>6423093
>he thinks current trends are going to continue for one hundred years

you serious?

>> No.6423139

>>6423093
literally nothing. history's over bub

>> No.6423145

>>6422721
>people who read to identify with the main character are retarded
>lol, she must identify with the main character

>> No.6423146

>>6422245
haha they're so cute with their little words in marker. their little photographs. so adorable

>> No.6423157
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6423157

>>6423130
Get over it!

>> No.6423159

>>6423157
God that woman looks like shit.

>> No.6423160

>>6423130
>"I'm not a token"
>literally a token for some feminist's ideas
>23 tokens with messages to straight white men

>> No.6423163

>>6422334
>Dozens of Greeks
More like "Every greek"

>> No.6423165

>>6422473
I'd fuck the shit out of that black guy.

He has that look. The kinda man that tries to take control, but relents and lets it happen, screaming the entire way.

>> No.6423167

>>6422834
kekked right out my chair

>> No.6423168

>>6423130
She doesn't have to explain what she means to you! Just listen and do as she says! Trust her! Reeeee.

>> No.6423170

>>6422334
I wonder what confucius or dschuang dsi would've said about feminism.

>> No.6423174

>>6423168
That's a rather short Reee.

>> No.6423175

>>6423168
>>6423130

Google Tokenism you dinguses

>> No.6423179

>>6423174
I normalized it.

>> No.6423180

>>6422473
The African gentleman in that photo is feminine as fuck.

>> No.6423181
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6423181

>>6423179
I make ding for you. You like?

>> No.6423183

>>6423138
There isn't much in the near future that's going to diffuse the situation. Its liable to get worse rather than better. And in truth it won't really take 100 years, I just said that because its well enough past 2055 or so that whites do become minorities that any "anti-white" social policies, conditions, etc would probably be fully realized.

In truth, I don't think it will happen. But the amount of people my age and younger that think like this is massive. I thought it was just a meme until I started to socializing more. And it has to be worse elsewhere because I go to college in the south. Its hard to imagine these groups not gaining some sort of political power eventually.

>> No.6423186

>>6422559
>Gertuh
British English is retarded.

>> No.6423188

>>6423186
I'm American. How should I pronounce it?

>> No.6423189

>>6423175
Wouldn't "token" be used as an adjective then?

>> No.6423190

>>6423181
aaahhh that's nice!

>> No.6423194

>>6423179
>in the future kids might end some sentences with a casual REE to emphasize a point

>> No.6423201

>>6423194
fucking normies taking my epic meme

>> No.6423203
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6423203

>>6423190
>>6423189
>>6423188
>>6423186
>>6423183
>>6423181
>>6423180
>>6423179
>>6423175
>>6423174
>>6423175
>>6423174
>>6423170
>>6423168
>>6423167
>>6423165
>>6423163
>>6423160
>>6423159
>>6423157
"Look out the window!"

>> No.6423208
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6423208

>>6423194

>> No.6423210

Is modern feminism like an overreaction of an immune system because of a sterile environment?

>> No.6423213

>>6422851
>What even warranted these messages or an article about it?
The 'Sad Puppies' campaign.
>Was there some get together with all these straight white male authors who burned tons of books written by minorities in a grand bonfire that I missed or something?
Almost. There's a guy who said something that could be interpreted as racist, and apparently that's worse than three Hitlers. Read all about it on 'voxday' at the blogspot site. (Can't post a link because stupid spam rules.)

>> No.6423214
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6423214

>>6423203
Is that George Lucas?

>> No.6423215

>>6423183
>2015
>still underestimating Mother Europa
>still disregarding the extremophiles which became the archetype of all true life

>> No.6423216
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6423216

>>6423203
>Look unt the window!

>> No.6423220

>>6423134
>The left wing has been disgusting for some time now.
As well as the right wing.
But what we're seeing here are a lot of moderates. Some left of center, but in the states, "leftists" are mostly right of center

>> No.6423223

>>6423214
hmm that does look like him.

>> No.6423224

>>6422999
>Think of it this way: a campaign to get people to read more black/female/lgbt literature.
No, I prefer to read what they actually wrote, dipshit. I don't need your interpreting to figure out one sentence of English. (Granted, it's written by an affirmative-action 'minority' idiot, but I'm a smart guy, I can figure out their duckspeak nonetheless.)

>> No.6423225

>>6423214
Oh fuck, he's everywhere nowadays.

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6423227

>>6423214
Compare.

>> No.6423228

>>6423134
The left is not synonymous with liberalism. Both the left and the right are absolutely opposed to liberalism.

The differences lie in metaphysical, anthropological, and epistemological assumptions.

Both the right and the left recognizes (unlike the liberal), the decisive (not discursive) nature of the political.

>> No.6423230

>>6423227
Every god damn time

>> No.6423231

>>6422999
Who are they to tell me what to read?

>> No.6423234

>>6423224

Don't be a fool, lest the worst of the bunch always speak for the rest of them.

>> No.6423235

>>6423228

Carl Schmitt plz stay <3

>> No.6423238

>>6423214
>>6423227
Yep, that's him, our at least I have a strongly held belief that is the case.

>> No.6423245
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6423245

"You have not doomed us."
"You've doomed yourselves"

>> No.6423247

>>6423245
What's with his hair?

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6423250

>>6423247
Fuck off whitey!

>> No.6423254

>>6423245
Who's trying to doom them?
Am I doomed?
pls help!!!!

>> No.6423258

>>6423048
>http://www.buzzfeed.com/isaacfitzgerald/made-writing-seem-possible#.gaL8V7NZR

Bitch has hot cheeto dust on her face

>> No.6423261

>>6423245
Is this compatible with Jaden Smith's theory on eyes?

>> No.6423269

>>6423048
Aw come on, man. She's probably a man-hater because of shit like that.

>> No.6423274
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6423274

>>6423245
>>6423250
I dislike this big boy's lips.

>> No.6423279

>>6423234
>Don't be a fool, lest the worst of the bunch always speak for the rest of them.
They _are_ the worst of the bunch.

Also, unlike you pretenders, I actually bothered to research this shit and look up their actual writing.

Here's what I found:

a) Their 'writing' is mostly Twitter.
b) They all have identical-looking Twitter accounts.
c) They all have identical-looking vanity homepages.
d) Their published writing is poems in the same few obscure journals.

Summary: they're not actually writers, they're paid apes who go through the motions of acting out a New York post-millennial literary lifestyle.

Who pays for this charade and why in the world somebody thought this would be a good investment I have no idea.

>> No.6423280

>>6423269
Yeah, but she does look like a trailer park foot slave doesn't she?

>> No.6423283

>>6423280
What trailer parks you been to man?
adress?

>> No.6423284
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6423284

"We don't need you."
"xo"

>> No.6423285

>>6423280
She looks like a kind-hearted girl to me. It probably takes a lot for her to go out in public too. Low self-esteem, etc.

Her message isn't bad either.

>> No.6423286

How can these feminist bints know for sure we're reading "straight" white male authors? Plenty of classic authors could have been gay, they just couldn't talk about it publicly.

Sounds like some people need to check their privilege.

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6423287

>>6423030
holy shit this thread...

>> No.6423288

>>6423283
Yeah I would like to know as well.

>> No.6423292

>>6423284
>2015
>not sending passive-aggressive-mixed-signals

Do you even extremism?

>> No.6423293
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6423293

Fuck why are these people so ugly? fuck

>> No.6423297
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6423297

>>6423130
>those glasses

>> No.6423298

>>6423293
because all of the pretty people are too busy being straight white males

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6423300

>>6423293
aaaahhhhhhhhh.
Is it okay if I ask what gender it is?

>> No.6423301
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6423301

>>6423157

>> No.6423304

>>6423300
I identify as xir, thanks for asking

>> No.6423305

>>6423235
It's getting harder every day. Grad school calls...

But in general, what's the point of threads like these? What's the outrage? Not one of these women are negating a strongly held sense of life. Hell, no one here has a sense of what life is (life in a shared sense).

No one here has any ontological or existential grounding in life to feel so threatened. It's just shadows attacking shadows.

>> No.6423307

>>6423286
In the oppression olympics gay white males are about the most privileged unprivileged group though (realistically it's probably straight white women, but most SJWs are straight white women so...). I wouldn't be surprised if they have their oppressed status revoked in the near future.

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6423309

>>6423293
>that undercut

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6423310

>>6423305

>> No.6423314
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6423314

"We owe you nothing."
Get it?

>> No.6423315

Do we really have to comment on every remark that insignificant nobodies make?

>> No.6423316

>>6423315
Why should anybody answer your question then?

>> No.6423322

>>6423315
>implying there are significant nobodies

>> No.6423325

>>6423314
I would stick my dick in her horse mouth.

>> No.6423331

>>6423325
sadly at this point I probably would too.

>> No.6423333

>>6423293
>>6423157
The distorted smugness combined with their uppity jabs is very difficult to describe.

As soon as you try to argue, you lose. You play right into their interpretation of reality and their sweeping generalisations of white males. It's like trying to argue with a fervent Christian times ten. You're immediately shut down with a smug "Get over it." It's actually pretty fascinating to watch this stuff play out.

We need a word for all of this shit; it needs to be condensed into a concise, simple word. Or, an acronym...

>> No.6423334

>>6423157
>>6423159
She does look like shit.

>> No.6423336

>>6423247
>What's with his hair?
It's fighting against the heteronormative notions of hygiene.

>> No.6423339

>>6423334
Amen.

>> No.6423343
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6423343

>>6423339
There's always something worse.

>> No.6423349

>>6423343
Good god!
Where did you find this goblin?

>> No.6423350

>>6423343
Maybe the good guys really did lose WW2.

>> No.6423353
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>> No.6423356

>>6423343
>"Gave me permission to be a weird girl"

>> No.6423358

>>6423353
Holy shit. These are all book titles?

>> No.6423359

>>6423356
It's good she was permitted.

>> No.6423364

>>6423358
see this
>>6423258

>> No.6423367
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6423367

O HI GUIZ!

>> No.6423370

>>6423367
That guy is really very homosexual.

>> No.6423372

>>6423370
How do you know he identifies as such?

>> No.6423373

>>6423372
Pick any one of a number of telltale signs.

>> No.6423377
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6423377

Flipped this bitch upside down lol

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6423378

>be straight, white, and a dude
>all of us are the scum of the earth by simply being

Fuckin' Nazis

>> No.6423381

>>6423377
you balanced her on her head!

>> No.6423384

>>6422334

Gonna need a sauce on Goethe

>> No.6423385

>>6423377
cool, how'd you do it?

>> No.6423392
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6423392

Love her mustache.

>> No.6423394

>>6422306
I'll stand, thanks.

>> No.6423395

>>6423392
I bet her pussy's tight though.

>> No.6423403

This thread is making it very hard to eat my Popeye's chicken.

>> No.6423408

>>6423359
Otherwise she'd be a normal-looking one. Oh, woe.

>> No.6423409

This thread is very /r9k/

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6423413

>>6423409
>>6423392
Depression.

>> No.6423417

>>6423413
There is something very depressing about this specimen.

>> No.6423419

>>6423409
Sad state of affairs /lit/ has gotten itself into. But it's hard to judge anyone here when you just remind yourself that all these worthless depreciations are just the concrete, specific manifestations of certain structures of knowledge and power attempting to defend themselves.

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6423423

>>6423419
lol u gay
fuck off

>> No.6423424

>>6423409
/r9k/ resents feminism and women, this is just lashing out at people who have something against straight white men
it's a bit more acceptable, but it's still more /pol/ territory

>> No.6423431

>>6423417
What are you Dr. Mengele?

>> No.6423433

not sure why you guys are getting bent out of shape. SJWs are a vocal minority, and they're ridiculous, but they're harmless lolcows for the most part.

>> No.6423437

>>6423433
We know, that's why this thread has been so fun.

>> No.6423441

Isn't this basically organized bigotry, and does nothing to solve the problem at large, if there even is one?

I'm Black and have no problem reading books by the "old dead white men", I'll read anything if it catches my interests honestly. To me what matters more is the quality of the thought put into the work, not the color of the person who made it.

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6423451

I'd kill this bitch.

>> No.6423452

>>6423424
>it's a bit more acceptable, but it's still more /pol/ territory
>Mocking people who judge others based on their race/gender/sexual orientation is the territory of the racist board
We live in a weird world

>> No.6423453

>>6422245

Why is 'we are not tokens' such a common message in these? Is it because on some subconscious level they are worried that they *are* tokens?

>> No.6423454

>>6423409
Are you trying to spook us?

>> No.6423456

>>6423451
>that shade of pink
>those glassess
>those nails
>matilda
#triggered

>> No.6423457

>>6423451
why?

>> No.6423458

>>6423433

One of the women pictured in this thread is a graduate student at my local university and recently won a very prestigious poetry grant.

>> No.6423466

>>6423457
Because I love the thrill of killing. Yeah I'm fucking hardcore/goth.

>> No.6423469

>>6423466
lol fuck what?

>> No.6423472

>>6423466
This is /lit/ now.....

>> No.6423479

>>6423458

that sounds like a problem. that tyrannasaur short story winning an award was even worse. still, I think the rainbow/tumblr fags will get enough backlash from the internet so that they won't ruin society for the rest of us.

>> No.6423481

>>6423469
>>6423472
Piss off! I'm the real deal. I kill all the time, don't stand in my way!

>> No.6423482

>>6423466
kek

>> No.6423484
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6423484

ATTENTION BROTHER C/LIT/S ATTENTION

This link and this article has been posted on several boards today. It is NOT a coincidence. I don't know the reasoning behind doing it. All I can think of is that it could weaken morals.

>> No.6423487

>>6423484
*morale
lol morals too maybe

>> No.6423489

>>6423466
lmao jesus

>> No.6423490

>>6423451
I like that one... (Can't beat em, join em, I guess)

>>6423454
Boo!

Yay. It's post limit.
Really unworthy thread.

>> No.6423491

>>6423441

To be fair, OP slightly misrepresented the article. Slightly. They were asked their opinions on the 'white male publishing industry' so the opinions reflected in these pics don't necessarily show the writers' views of "white males" or even "white male writers."

Having said that, at least some of them do bear hostility toward white men (for example the 'read less white men' girl) and yes they are bad, and should feel bad.

>> No.6423507

>>6423452
>not realizing there are "right" and "wrong" kinds of racism

>> No.6423520

>>6423097
And you can't even tell.
Stealthy masturbator.

>> No.6423526

>>6423507
>Thinking there's any wiggle room in "A man should be judged not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character"

I know this is what they think, but I hope you're just rusing me.

>> No.6423532

>>6423466
Stop. Your bringing back a lot of repressed memories.

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>> No.6423544

>>6423526
When the color of a person's skin gives them privilege powers it's okay to judge :^)

>> No.6423546

>>6423540
He looks weird, but the people in the background take the cake.

>> No.6423551

>>6423540
>All these people would probably like Baldwin more than Ellison, assuming they read either.
Man, fuck them.

>> No.6423563

>>6423551
>Man, fuck them.
Just fuck everything like I did and become a nudist.

>> No.6423580

Ok, fags! Is there a twitter hashtag to this?

>> No.6423589

>>6423453
Yeah, they can't make their work speak for themselves

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6423616

>>6422245
corrected

>> No.6423702

>>6422245
>Messages to straight white men

>We will abolish you
>Get lost
>You have not doomed us, you have doomed yourselves

I am honestly surprised at this hostility. So there are certain subsets of society who genuinely dislike men simply because of their ethnicity and orientation?

Isn't that the reverse of what feminism is about? Equality and respect?

Inb4 torrents of hate for feminism. Just a bit taken aback at these messages.

>> No.6423708

How do you consciously stop reading straight white men?

I don't look at an author and google if they're white or not before I read a book.

>> No.6423716

>>6423702
I think that they lack strategic thought. Anyone can say anything to anyone else. For instance:

OP is a fag, your mom is a whore and I know 3000 secret gorilla techniques.

But the reason that most people don't say things like that is because they know that they have to back it up in some way. Either by presenting the facts or standing your ground when the retaliation hits you.

>> No.6423720

>>6423708
And if wer'e talking about authors like Robbin Hobb (a pseudonym for the pseudonym Megan Lindholm) it's get even more confusing.

>> No.6423726

>>6423708
Whenever i touch anything made by a straight white man my Spidey-sense starts going off.

>> No.6423728

>>6423726
>Whenever i touch anything made by a straight white man my Spidey-sense starts going off.
No, that is your fag pee-pee that has a fetish for str8 boipussy.

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6423736

>>6423616
>>6422245
Enjoy!

>> No.6423743

>>6422463
>there is a reason why the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the Cambodian Killing Fields are so uniquely to Asia
Hardly. It was an agrarian rehash of the nazis industrialized genocide.

>> No.6423748

>>6423736
Shouldn't it be the other way around?

>> No.6423764

>>6423702
Simple. They took a stereotype and overgeneralized millions and millions of people, many of whom do not fit the stereotype at all. Just to still considered them bad by association. It's sexist. It's racist. It's unreasonable.

>> No.6423772

>>6422520
He would consider them a false transgression within the system.

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6423778

>>6423748
Nah, the intention is that we should read less (fewer that is) str8 men. But the result is that the str8 men reads less.

As a matter of fact

>read less straight white men

is gramatically incorrect, but

>read less, straight white men

is.

>> No.6423786

>>6423778
>>read less straight white men
>is gramatically incorrect, but
>>read less, straight white men
>is.
"is" grammatically incorrect? Your sentence didn't quite work out.

>> No.6423790

>>6423778
I would like to how am I supposed to know if an author is straight or not. Maybe we should have armbands or something. Or a symbol at the chest.

Is GRRM gay btw?

>> No.6423791

>>6423786
>"read less staright white men" is gramatically inncorrect, but "read less, straight white men" is

>> No.6423796

>>6423791
Shouldn't it be: "[...] but "read less straight white men" is not [incorrect]" or "[...] is *grammatically correct*"?

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6423804

>>6423786
If she wants to say that we shouldn't read as much str8 whyte men as we do, then the sentence (pun intended) should be:

>Read fewer [of] straight white men.

But if we stick to the word less, then an equivalent sentence can be:

>Straight white men should read less.

>>6423790
>Maybe we should have armbands or something. Or a symbol at the chest.
Oh, that hasn't been tried before. :P

>Is GRRM gay btw?
Nah. He'd probably come out centuries ago if he was. But I bet that he loves to get dubs.

>> No.6423806

>>6423796
"'read less straight white men' is not correct but 'read less straight, white men' is."

>> No.6423811

>>6423804
>Nah. He'd probably come out centuries ago if he was. But I bet that he loves to get dubs.

Old but no wife and no kids. Seems very suspecious to me. I didn't see him with any women his age either. He better make a public statement regarding his sexuality or I won't read him anymore.

>> No.6423813

>>6423811
Maybe he has donated his precious seeds. Maybe he has a chain of 35 y/o gfs.

>> No.6423814

>>6423811
But he is married.

>> No.6423817

>>6423811
>got dubs
Are you GRRM?

>> No.6423821

>>6422482
Most of these girls are closet racists to begin with. Some may want to date a 6'7" Jamal to make their middle-class parents angry.

>> No.6423823

>>6423821
Yeah, they can't respect him as a person. Is he a wiz at Mario Kart? No cozy evenings with Mario Kart. Does he love Sandman? No discussions about Sandman. Does he love to hike? Not this weekend, because I got the headaches.

As a matter of fact, riders fucking their mares shows their charges greater respect.

>> No.6423833

>>6423817
Yes. In fact I am.

>> No.6423850

>>6423833
>more dubs
GRRM the Mannis!

>> No.6423873

>>6423043
Glasses can be an accessory, fat is just gross.

>> No.6424128

>>6423370
I don't think so, cum works as a teeth whitener

>> No.6424329

>>6423000
Fuck off. Stick to your own or we will abolish you.

>> No.6424338

>>6423130
It means shes not talented/good looking enough to be the woc on a predominantly white male debating panel

>> No.6424809

>>6423778
The latter is grammatically correct, but not for what she is trying to convey. It's telling straight white men to read less.

>> No.6424885

>>6422306
Bitch can't even buy frames that actually fit her facial structure how is she going to abolish a single thing?

>> No.6424905

>>6422473
Laffin at the guy in the back giving no shits.

>> No.6424983

>>6423333
>You're immediately shut down with a smug "Get over it."
What's funny is that they throw that GET OVER IT at you like you have no option but to lie down and take it, as if they have some semblance of power.

>> No.6425259

>>6423409
Not quite. Though the sexual pronouncements and shallowness are a bit much I agree.

>> No.6425286

>>6423120
Female Rand Paul

>> No.6425292

>Be white
>Be straight
>Write a story with a black main character to appease these people
>Called a racist anyway
>tfw

>> No.6425298

>>6423215
This guy right here.
>>6422463
Lol too bad Asians in western countries (not counting Muslims) are all pussies. Straight white men are maybe 85% of gun owners in America. That probably won't change for a long time, unless gun control happened, which it won't because the progun community is stronger, larger, and more pissed off than ever and repubs own congress.

>> No.6425308
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6425308

Someone make a Vaporwave shoop of this.

>> No.6425315

>>6425286
Holy fuck.

>> No.6425423

>>6422245
>tfw one of my modules next term looks at the discursive effect of translating the bible or shakespeare

Am I allowed to read straight white men if they've been translated into Greek, Latin, German, Chinese, Japanese and african englishes?

>> No.6426154

>>6423120
God I hate that fucking smirk, ugh.

>> No.6426175

>>6426154
They always have that smirk or at least a generally smug face.