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6473081 No.6473081 [Reply] [Original]

you have exactly 10 seconds to write an argument against absurdism

prototip: none can

>> No.6473088

Not in ten seconds, no.

>> No.6473090

how do you know it doesnt mean something

>> No.6473094

Why would I do that?

>> No.6473098

>>6473081
There is a God.

>> No.6473101

>>6473088
alright you may take your time there, you're the special one

>> No.6473105

Why would I do that?

>> No.6473112

I wish teenagers would skip Camus and pessimism entirely; his use of the Sisyphus myth as a tinfoil to his proud despair is repellent. Instead teenagers should read the surrealist posts, since they believe that man is capable of shattering that rock, as Breton posits "destroying as it by magic the mountain and punishment". Our greatest weakness is our ignorance of our potentialities in our course of the great spiritual adventure.

>> No.6473121

>>6473101
>prototip: none can
>Not in ten seconds, no.
No implication I could

>> No.6473125

>>6473112
that argument really doesn't mean anything. It's just semantics

>> No.6473127

Camus was an INFP philosopher in a sea of INTPs and INFJs. That, at least, explains his impeccable style.

>> No.6473134

>>6473125
You're retarded.

>> No.6473157

>>6473127
what does that even mean

>> No.6473160

>>6473127
>Actually using Myers-Briggs as a metric of personality

Kill yourself.

>> No.6473163

It's absurd

get memed on

>> No.6473165

>>6473160

>thinking Myers-Briggs is a personality test.

>> No.6473170

>>6473081

Camus old-fashioned subject concept is one of the last instances in philosophy where the subject, the individual is still a relevant constant on a lonely holy island. Really everything after just stopped with this silly game and put an end to this navel-gazing, because it creates all this fuss about nothing so important.

That's why Camus and sartre and existentialism in general faded so swiftly and nowadays aren't mentioned much anymore in any academic context.

>> No.6473171

>>6473112
nah, just because Absurdism is popular and popular amongst an edgy crowd doesn't mean it isn't valid or inherently bad

it is an "easy" philosophy though (if that sentence even makes any sense)

>> No.6475252

>>6473171
I could make a convincing argument that the easiest philosophies are the best ones. Easiest to understand, that is.

>> No.6475255

>>6475252
I would like to hear that argument and use it simply because I'm a huge Eastern-boo and have always equated Absurdism with Taoism

>> No.6475264

Sisyphus isn't happy but in massive denial.

>> No.6475279

not trying to be faggy, but what is recommendable as the first Camus book to read?

>> No.6475281

>>6475279
The Stranger, of course.

>> No.6475289

>>6475279
well the Stranger

>> No.6475291

>>6475281
thanks. didn't he write novels aswell? isn't the stranger fiction? is it like dostovesky or however the fuck you spell it, who wrote his thoughts into his stories

>> No.6475294

It retreats from rational discourse to empowering platitudes

>> No.6475297

>>6475291
The stranger is an apologue

>> No.6475299

>>6475291
Err, novels are usually fiction. I think you mixed up some words here.

>> No.6475306

>>6475299
nah, i just worded it pretty horribly since i am in class

>> No.6475643
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6475643

Let's do an analysis.

If nothing has meaning yet humans try to find it, that this is true can't be absurd, because that would ascribe it meaning.

Camus confuses concepts and is inconsistent in his nihilism.

>> No.6475647

>>6475643
PWAHAHAHA

>> No.6475689

>>6475643
hshahahahhahaha

>> No.6475697

>>6473081
fdsvnsjdgfhf

>> No.6475769

>>6473081
>cats flow inside derived catalogue
nothing makes sense, I have the absolute virtual freedom and I want this to be a sound argument against absurdism

>> No.6475794

>>6473081
If a human intellect could exist at every key point in every key dimension there would be nothing left to be found absurd. Stop your whining over not having this ultimate skill and learn to live with uncertainty.

>> No.6475832

>>6473090
we don't know, but we will never find either

>>6473170
because there is no further step ahead of absurdism, may that be the reason?

>>6475294
is that really an argument against?

>>6475643
hahahahahah

>>6475794
>if
>if

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6475847

It's quite useless. Other philosophies beget a psycomotivational complex that may in some sense improve the holder of the belief, absurdism does not. Not even in that shitty Nichomachean 'improvement of the soul' way.

It is quite useless. That was about 10 seconds, plus or minus 20.

>> No.6475874

>>6475847
>motivation is the key for a philosophical thought
>seeking for motivation
>uselessness
You confuse philosophy with religion m8.

also:
>10 seconds minus 20

>> No.6475955

Why Camus and not Sartre?
I'm upset.

>> No.6475972

>>6473081

PLINGAPLONGA DING DONG FLOCKIBRUTT HABLICKSTHRUCHRAZZSTRASSE VON GRÜNDER MAB ALS FLEGGMAN SCHMAGG

>> No.6475976

>>6473127

Tell me more. I´m actually interested in hearing, even though I don´t care much for the MBTI tool anymore.

Also, how does one distinguish between Fi and Ti as dominant functions? They seem to be extremely closely related in that they are two different "languages" of information processing while still having the same syntactic functions or something.

>> No.6475985

>>6475874

>counting the minutes and moments one has already expended

My argument against it is that it is useless. Good analysis though, I am desperately seeking motivation. Ya got me.

>> No.6475996

>>6473127
You are retarded, Camus was a clear INTJ.
The INFJ type is actually rare when it comes to philosophy.

>>6475976
Fi = You look at a painting and you literally start crying.
Ti = Once a movie drops logic it becomes a bad movie for you.

>> No.6476013

>>6473081
Absurdism is just a bunch of 'maybies' because the universe is so vast.
There is no 'maybe' when it comes to the lack of inherent value, because it can be logically proven, nihilism is the way to go.

>> No.6476016

>>6476013
Prove to me there isn't inherent purpose to life.
I propose to you that happiness is the ultimate purpose because 100% of people are slaves to this principle.

>> No.6476019

>>6475996

Hmm, I think I am Fi, but I would´t get moved in a manner like that. Perhaps I´m Ti, but confused - I search for the "zen" aspect of the painting where all the individual parts make up a whole that is larger and able to alter the way my eyes see the forms so everything stands out as one hypnotizing vibrating "event" rather than an emotional motive.

I´m interested in the backdrop/matrix and the spaces between the "notes" that are placed on the canvas to see the movement and continuous change of the "gestalts" that I experience. That makes the painting alive for me - and not just a crystallized form or motif.

Perhaps I don't feel as much as I think/feel. The most important part to me is an elevated state of consciousness where all the feelings are embedded in the clarity and intensity of my perception (kinda the way I paint and make music as well - I want to include all the different modes, scales and aesthetic dimensions in one condensed expression - making the style a fluctuation between different emotions, or invoking different emotions in such a degree that all that remains is this kind of empty/full totality of experience. a prolonged state or event)

Sorry for my bad english. Usually score INFP, by the way. But then again my Ni and Ne are at the same level in some different cognitive functions test.

Apologies for my poor English.

>> No.6476026

https://philosophy.as.uky.edu/sites/default/files/The%20Absurd%20-%20Thomas%20Nagel.pdf

Consequently the absurdity of
our situation derives not from a collision between our expectations
and the world, but from a collision within ourselves.

>> No.6476030

It's self-defeating

>> No.6476038 [DELETED] 

>>6473165
>>6473160
4chan in a nutshell. I am done with this site.

>> No.6476046

Protiped 10/10, would protip again.

>> No.6476201

>>6475996
is is the test in 16personalities website?
I took it some 3 times and every time the result was different

>> No.6476212

>>6476201

Read about Jungs cognitive functions, find an assessment, begin to reach your own conclusion

>> No.6476232

Absolutism & Hegel.
What did i win

>> No.6476862

Absurdism, if not existentialism in general, is a fundamentally flawed set of ideas, mostly because of the reliance of a transient, heroic ego, and because of the reactive imposition of existential meaning where none should have been assumed in the first place.

>> No.6476884

>>6476016
>inherent
>purpose
>happiness

lol get the fuck out of here idiot

>> No.6477462

>>6476016
The lack of inherent value is quite L I T E R A L L Y philosophy 101.