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6478285 No.6478285 [Reply] [Original]

>tfw you finish Romance of the Three Kingdoms

God damn that took a long time, I finished seven other books while I read it, and I'm not gonna go near something similarly large again for a long, long time. But man was that great.

My favorite part was Zhuge Liang's conquest of the Mangs, how about you guys? And what are your opinions on the whole story?

>> No.6478287

>>6478285
be right back let me google something to remain relevant and then let me think of a meme I can associate with it to unhinge the whole conversation of this thread

brb

>> No.6478307

and it was all for nought because you read a fucking translation of Mandarin to English

>> No.6478895

>>6478307
Talk about a game of Chinese whispers.

>> No.6478914

No one here has read it

>> No.6478920

>>6478914
some days I doubt anybody here has read anything besides See Spot Run and a well thumbed copy of the Stanford Dictionary of Poorly Understood Philosophy.

>> No.6478921

>>6478285
>being concerned with the stagnant backwater of China

The whole cyclical view of history is an excuse to sit around and do nothing while everyone around you innovates and leaves you behind.

>> No.6478922

>>6478921
what kind of innovation? i hope you're not referring to science, you fucking fedora tipper.

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>>6478922
>He doesn't believe in the Weltgeist

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>>6478285
>Zhuge Liang

>> No.6479004

>>6478921
That's right, the only things anyone should be interested in are Europe, Europe, Europe, right you fucking degenerate? Fuck this shit. Fuck where we came from. Fucking the ruling order. Fuck you

>> No.6480616

>>6478969
I laughed

>> No.6480665

I'm infamiliar with your translation, are the menus the southern, jungle tribes? A nice story. I'd say zhuge' trolling of sima yi even knowing both his death and his countries death were imminent, jiang wei's last stand, or basically early Tsao Tsao's cold steel levels of badass and xiahou dun's eating his own eye pirate badass squad.

>> No.6480668

>>6480665
Hah, mangs*

Fuck you phone

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>>6480665
Yes, the tribe led by Meant Huo, who Zhuge Liang captured 7 times.

Come to think of it, most of my favorite parts were the comical ones, like Cao Cao running fom a battle, saying that if he had been in charge of the enemy he would have one so-and-so to capture him, and then gets caught by surprise when Liu Bei's forces do exactly what he was thinking and barely manages to escape, and that keeps happening some 10 times in a row.

Or Liu Bei quaking in fear of his wife's armed female escort when he went to consummate the marriage.

>> No.6481152

>*Meng Huo, I meant

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>reading a book based on a video game

this is what /lit/ has become

>> No.6481212

>>6478285
Battle of Chi Bi was probably the best part. Zhuge Liang being Zhuge Liang the whole fucking time. I guess coz afterwards everything kind of went downhill for Shu

>>6481165
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. gr8 b8 m8. It was b8 right?

>> No.6481287

>>6478285
That's nice anon. I've been meaning to read that monstrosity of book but I keep failing because I couldn't remember the character names. How do you remember who is who as a non-chinese speaker?

>> No.6483550

>>6478285
I fucking hate Sanguo Yanyi with a fucking passion. "Great work of literature" my ass, chapters 59-69 of Sima Guang's narrative history Zizhi Tongjian was a more entertaining read. If your fictionalized account is more boring than actual history records, you've badly fucked up.

Also, fuck the novel for creating retards who actually think shit like Cao Cao had 72 decoy tombs for generations to come. Stupid fucking trained archaeologists kept bringing up that stupid fucking legend over and over again after they found the "Cao Cao" tomb (that is probably Cao Huan's).

>> No.6483590

Are there any translations of this with non-shitty prose and pacing?

>> No.6483592

Shu is shit

t. Wei

>> No.6483626

I watched the 2010 TV series instead because it was more historically accurate. You can watch it on youtube.

>Reading something completely distorted by a son of a Shu officer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYpJ37ulsnk

>> No.6483767

I played Dynasty Warriors 2-5
Does the plot differ much?

>> No.6483779

>reading non-western canon

Why?

>> No.6483786

>>6483590
>translations

>> No.6483806

>>6478307
So we should just ignore eastern lit and remain eurocentric eh? Fuck off

>> No.6485319

>>6483626
>more historically accurate
Maybe, but even so it's still better to always assume it's fictional unless proven otherwise, even in the "big" background stuff that you'd usually assume would be left alone as window dressing for the fictional characters.

Example:
Hao Zhao was victorious at Cangting and consequently did not actually commit suicide for being defeated. Similarly Cao Zhen was a successful commander who repulsed every single one of Zhuge Liang's invasions before dying of illness, not falling off a horse and having his injured back broken by Sima Yi.

>Reading something completely distorted by a son of a Shu officer
Luo Ben (Guanzhong) lived over 1000 years after the Three Kingdoms era. You're thinking Chen Shou, who is actually regarded as one of the most impartial historians in Chinese historiography. Rather tellingly, his choice of words for military campaign implies legitimacy for all three sides within their borders: operations within borders are rendered in terms of "pacfication" or "bandit suppression" while operations across borders between the rival states are rendered as "invasions" or "campaigns."

Also, though Chen Shou's name is on it, one also has to remember that these standard histories were large projects funded by the Imperial Court (though the Court itself was not allowed to see the work in-progress until the official publication to prevent political interference) so project leads like Chen Shou also a staff of other historians to help them.