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Which do you prefer /lit/ and why?

>> No.7001581

the odyssey because it's a rad adventure packed with monsters and incident and the main characters is a cool guy rather than the iliad which is boring as fuck and mainly about an unrelatable superman sulking

>> No.7001639

>>7001568
Iliad because it's about Man and Gods, whereas the Odyssey is a bunch of fairy tales involving monsters and retarded ass shit

>> No.7001675

>>7001568
We have this thread up already.
>>6999021

But
The Odyssey, because it's a grand scale journey adventure love story with a complex character and narrative. whereas The Iliad is a list of boats and some gay dudes whining over wars casualties

>> No.7001706

Iliad is much more sustained and concentrated in its force. The Odyssey is a dumb children's story.

>> No.7001786

In a way it's drama vs epic: the classical dilemma. Even though Iliad is technically also an epic, compared to the Odyssey it it is more a drama in the goethean sense.

>> No.7001794

>>7001568
fun

>> No.7001799

Alongside the Commedia, these two are the greatest works of literature ever writer. Nevertheless, the Iliad seems to me to be more coherent and more powerful.

>> No.7002785

who's on the right of this picture
>>7001568

>> No.7002825

>>7001568
Virtually every serious literary critic since Homer has preferred the Iliad, and it's not hard to see why.

>> No.7003051

>>7001639
Confirmed never read either

>> No.7003058

>>7001786
No. It's war epic and post-war epic.
>>7002825
Yet The Odyssey continues to be more influential and famous.

I would love for you to post some critics that prefer The Iliad.

>> No.7003141

The Odyssey brings a deepening and expansion of the themes brought forth in the Iliad, of glory, the self deification of men and their consequences.

We see Odysseus as the self reflective archetype of the human soul and it's journey through the seas of life seeking fulfillment. We see Odysseus humble himself from deification and instead finds fulfillment and true purpose in his home with his wife and family. It was the story of a man returning home from a lifetime of adventure and war finding his place again with his loved ones.

>> No.7003142

>>7003058
because it's pop lit shit accessible to plebs and retards

>> No.7003144

>>7003142
Good one lmao

>> No.7003151

>>7003142
The Odyssey is more complex thematically than the Iliad

>> No.7003166

>>7003141
This

I fail to see why everyone on this board is unable to think in allegories and metaphores and outright dismiss the Odyssey as merely the fantasies of a mad man, with no value at all other than entertainment.

Isn't this supposed to be a smart place /lit?

>> No.7003168

>>7003142
The Odyssey resulted in Ulysses

The Iliad resulted in Troy starring Brad Pitt

Damn Joyce was a pleb

>> No.7003171

>>7003058
>Yet The Odyssey continues to be more influential and famous.

Hahahahahahhaha no.

>> No.7003210

>>7003166
Every Greek myth has a much deeper allegorical meaning relating to the condition of the human consciousness and the condition of society. It's never just about heroes fighting monsters

>> No.7003231

>>7003051
Not that anon, but are you sure you didn't intend to link that comment to
>>7001675?

>> No.7003279

>>7003210
Exactly!

>> No.7003379
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7003379

Those of you doubting the literary and philosophical value of the Odyssey must read this.

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7003384

Both are part of the same story so really cannot be separated or judged independently.

>> No.7003401

>>7002785
DFW

>> No.7003405

>>7002785
Pinecone

>> No.7003605

>>7003379
>thinking the average /lit/fag will be able to comprehend Benardete

>> No.7003610

>>7003171
Hahahahahaaha yes.

>> No.7003618

>>7003051
I read both and it looks ok to me

>>7001568
I prefer the iliad because it's about gods pulling the strings and moving the pieces around like a giant chessboard
The oddysey is just a journey with some cool stuff in it. Not a very big character arc, and the protagonist is a huge mary sue
just eh. Both are good though of course, for different reasons.

>> No.7003637

>>7003618
Why are you so blatantly lying about reading either of these stories? If you did, you've completely misunderstood them, which is worse.

Odysseus has a sweeping character arc, and your basic lack of understanding of this alone proves that you've never read the story

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>>7003637
im sorry lad but I don't value myself as being in the Cool Kids Literary Club

if you don't believe me then I don't really care

>> No.7003680

Reading the Odyssey right now. All the famous stuff happens in two chapters.

The cyclops, the sirens, Scylla and Charybdis, the underworld, they oxen of the sun, the men getting turned into sheeps, the Lotus eaters.

Like wtf. Why are there 22 other books in this poem?

>> No.7003725

>>7003680
All of that happens more than half way through the story anon

>> No.7003734

>>7003673
It's not a matter of belief. I know you didn't read either story. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be here lying about it

>> No.7003735

>>7003384
>Catch-22 and Closing Time are part of the same story, so they can't be separated or judged independently
>Don Quixote Part One and Part Two are part of the same story, so they can't be separated or judged independently
>The Iliad and the mother fucking Aeneid are part of the same story, so they can't be separated or judged independently

>> No.7003737

>>7003735
Yup. Nailed it

>> No.7003745

>>7003725
I don't think anon meant that all happens in the FIRST two books, just that they occur over the span of only two of the 24 books.

>> No.7003758

>>7003231
I was only kidding about the Iliad.
A comparison joke to the first poster.

>> No.7003798

>>7003745
Well if he had read it, he would know that a great deal of the story serves as a conclusion to the Iliad, showing the fates of all of the other Greek heroes after the war, detailing the fall of Troy with the Trojan horse, the conflict between Ajax and Odysseus over Achilles armor, and many other tales of the Trojan War. It's very much tied to the Iliad

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7003992

The Odyssey, but I think the Iliad is more profound.
>tfw Achilles sacrifices his life to avenge his best friend
>tfw Hector's wife sees her husband's corpse dragged around Ilium

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7004080

I personally like the Odyssey a bit more because I love Odysseus and the shenanigans he gets into.

>> No.7004184

>>7003992
>to avenge his boipuss
ftfy

>> No.7005744
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7005744

Is Odysseus the greatest character in all of literature /lit/?

>> No.7005918

I like both.

>> No.7005945

>>7005744
He's no Lucifer Niggerbastard.

>> No.7006179

the odyssey tbqh.
>>7005744
>the greatest character in all of literature
he's not dracula.

>> No.7006352

>>7005744
He is not Milton's Satan.

>> No.7006476

>>7001568
aenid

>> No.7006478

>>7005744
He's no Gilgamesh

>> No.7006593

>>7005744
he's no Green's Quentin Jacobsen

>> No.7006653

The Iliad has higher stakes, more powerful tragic elements, more powerful parts about struggle for revenge, more powerful parts about struggle in general, more exciting, fun and dramatic action scenes, more likable characters interacting with each other in more interesting ways... the Odyssey is a great book, but it's not even a competition really. One is about gods and men waging war on one another with all that entails, the other is about a guy travelling home and having misadventures with his retarded crew on the way while his son and wife do very little of interest. The killing of the suitors is the only part that's Iliad-quality (and even then, there are numerous parts in the Iliad that are superior to it).

>> No.7007896

ITT: Why you shouldn't start with the Greeks if you're a pleb fuck

>> No.7007905

>>7005744
No, Achilles is.

>> No.7007909

>>7003058
>I would love for you to post some critics that prefer The Iliad.

Aristotle for starters

>> No.7007917

Unso...
Black up. Night's nigh.
Get your cool who shyne and sate ready for sore.
And how we wage? War on the pink ore;
inside and out, through and through and true.
Rough the thrust intwoo. Wassail the ladeye with a wail;
the mirror unmarried. Are you talk king to me?
Now point the gone at sher.
Unload in tasty womb to tomb a million lie(v)s.
O dog's lioness, how one we grow!
(Pivot of heels and knees...)
The Mex Sasheen is perfect to measure pleasure.
Más and mais and more and meer!
(Sweet Nurse give us something to ache the tear)
There must be more than boobs and boners,
but I want none of it. Step on her landmind, then,
x-plaud! There will be time to clean and drean.
Until then, how do we do it? Us, the α-romeos?
We seek loving, they love fighting;
we fight laughing, they laugh kissing;
we kiss hating, they hate thinking;
we think feeling, they feel tempting;
we tempt daring, they dare waiting;
we wait taking, they take giving;
we give thanking and they thank seeking
as we seek loving aroun the cyclagain,
as born to learn in lore of love
we live and wile by rule o'ruse
to wive the rose within the truce
of spikes and thorns that swift the noose.