/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.7018069]

>lecture on Feminism in literature
>professor spends the first five minutes apologising for being male and 'mansplaining' feminism to a room half-full with women
>he then apologises for even giving the lecture despite there being fifteen women on the English faculty
>even though this is his area of expertise
How did we get here, lit? Where would modern literature be if we weren't allowed to discuss or debate literary theory unless it victimizes us?

Pic related: a slide from the lecture. Somehow I doubt the scientifically rigorousness of her experiment.

[Anonymous No.7018080]

Guys that weak and pathetic should really just be murdered.

[Anonymous No.7018084]

>>7018069
>jezebel
what kind of shitty forsaken uni do you attend?

[Anonymous No.7018091]

>>7018069
guess what its problematic for a man to lecture to women about feminism, if you think its not you dont understand things. in academia and the real world of smart learned people, no one is a sexist fuckhead in the open like they are on 4chan you immature and useless NEET

[Anonymous No.7018099]

>>7018069
>scientifically rigorous
>literature

Actually, never mind that. Let me ask you this: Is the reason you're bringing this up that you feel victimized? Are you offended? How is perpetuating the cycle helping anything? Every time I see these threads whining about how "social justice", I fail to see a substantial difference between the whiners and those they're whining about.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.7018100]

>>7018069
I don't think any of us are there. I doubt you're even in this class.

>>7018080
Or if he is real, he was probably being smarmy about it.

[Anonymous No.7018104]

>>7018091
bait

[Anonymous No.7018105]

If you look at the Hegelian dialectic strength of identity politics, they are remarkably strong in the present climate.

Unquestionable in the true sense, as in actually asking "what do you mean by that statement?", "What is your argument based on?" is actually usable evidence for the point that you, or that something, is sexist/racist/etc.

They have also re-engineered the ability to exclude people they don't like or discredit voices they don't like.

You must marvel at the ingenuity of the thought system.

I admire it in the same way i admire objectivism. It is the honest extent of an ideological belief system and it is powerful despite whether it is true or not.

[Anonymous No.7018106]

>problematic
I fell for it

[Anonymous No.7018107]

>>7018069

[Anonymous No.7018122]

>>7018084
Top 10 in my country.
>>7018091
>NEET
B-but I'm in Education. Also employed.
>>7018100
>I doubt you're even in this class
Haha you got me trip. I just sit in random lectures for fun. I'm actually the university janitor.

[Anonymous No.7018145]

>be me 3
>eat the cake
>vomit the cake
>cry to mommy
>wow

[Anonymous No.7018152]

>>7018099
Probably more irritated than victimised. I come from a STEM degree, having transferred to softer studies due to hating my job, and what I see here just would not fly in the world of science. You see, I don't really care about social justice, but I can't stand to see once refined fields of literary study fall to this kind of overt political correctness. My new primary field of study is anthropological in nature (Literature is my minor) and there as well the same thing is present: people having to apologise for the opinion they've developed over years of studious academic research due to the colour of their skin or failing to be born with the correct heritage.

I witnessed an event where a young man with a masters degree in a related field was heckled thirty seconds into his lecture. He was told to 'check a mirror' and note the colour of his skin, because he was too pale to have an opinion on this field. The guy heckling him was just as white as he was. How is this helpful? How does silencing enthusiastic new recruits help the field advance in any way?

Or maybe I am just whining about social justice, I dunno. I'm new to this.

[Anonymous No.7018156]

>>7018091
It's problematic for a woman to explain the male situation by that same logic, but I'm sure your mental gymnastics abound for that.

[Anonymous No.7018166]

>>7018069
My sociology teacher once became angry with a female student who suggested a woman would be irresponsible to get drunk at a party on the basis that a woman should not have to "control male sexuality."

[Anonymous No.7018170]

>>7018122
where are you from?

[Anonymous No.7018174]

>>7018152
>omg its so hard to b a white male
>have to apologize for sticking my worthless privileged white nose where it doesnt belong
>boo hoo everyone doesnt worship me
>i made my opinions with science and no one respects me

[Anonymous No.7018179]

>>7018152
it's as much white people's fault for capitulating

[Anonymous No.7018185]

>>7018174

[Anonymous No.7018186]

>>7018152


TBH the idea that STEM think they are immune to this kind of shit is cute.

SJW are coming, and none of the spergs in the math department will be able to correctly argue when they do.

If the general population cant into science and math then how can you convince them that science and math aren't sexist?

Philosophy has warned about this bullshit coming TBH

[Anonymous No.7018189]

>>7018179
Failure to capitulate invokes a knee-jerk shaming, as in: >>7018174

So there it is OP. Either you get with the program, preface your opinions with crawling apologies, and be heard; or you have your opinions dismissed and your character attacked without them ever being heard.

Most people would prefer the former.

[Anonymous No.7018190]

>>7018152
Well first of all, literature is an art, not a science. Holding them to the same standards is retarded.

Secondly, you're going to want to reconsider your major, methinks. I majored in anthropology. It's been about questioning norms, conventions and assumptions (particularly "STEM Master Race" type assumptions) for over 40 years. If you want to be "scientifically rigorous" and study anthropology, you're going to have a bad time. I was considered a maverick in my department for not completely writing off evolutionary psychology paradigms (these are generally considered to have a western cultural bias in them, which is true, but they're not completely wrong). I got away with it because I was widely regarded as brilliant by my professors, but you might not be so lucky.

Finally, you need to be aware that some professors actually feel convictions about social justice. They're not walking on egg-shell because they're scared, they're trying to be sensitive because they believe, in reality, that things like casual racism and sexism are serious problems and they don't want to contribute to it. If you're concerned about that, I suggest talking directly to your professor about it during office hours or something.

Yes, social justice enthusiasm can be misguided, and it's a problem if it's used to shut down conversation. And sometimes it is. However, not ever single instance of something you think is silly is some sort of evil conspiracy to hold the white man down. It's only a problem when it silences. It's not a problem that you're being exposed to something you haven't before. That's actually a good thing.

[Anonymous No.7018192]

>>7018186
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[Anonymous No.7018225]

>>7018190
I would argue that while the production of literature is art, the (proper) study of literature is closer to scientific than an artform in itself, and that the the only mention of science in the OP was in the veracity of the experiment conducted in the picture, not in relation to any of the literature itself.

Also you sound really full of yourself.

[Anonymous No.7018228]

>>7018069
>I don't hate men
>but men explaining my own position makes me angry whether they're right or not

[Anonymous No.7018232]

>>7018174
How do you define where one belongs or does not belong in terms of academic study?

Also, how is so-called "reverse-discrimination" an effective tactic in pursuing equality and not simply something to further perpetuate division?

[Anonymous No.7018238]

>>7018189
but there has been a collective capitulation
the truth is white people are still the most powerful group in society and anything bad that happens is our own fault

[Anonymous No.7018244]

>>7018225
>the (proper) study of literature is closer to scientific
You'd argue incorrectly. The study of literature is completely subjective. There is not science to it. The sooner you realize that, the better off you'll be.

>Also you sound really full of yourself.
I am, for good reason. I'm a genius. Sorry that triggers you, chum.

[Anonymous No.7018267]

>>7018244
>browses 4chan
>genius

come on pal

[Anonymous No.7018276]

>>7018244
>The study of literature is completely subjective.
that's what they want you to believe, geniebro

[Anonymous No.7018287]

>>7018244
>I am, for good reason. I'm a genius.
Humility also does every man good.

[Anonymous No.7018290]

>>7018238
it is mainly the far left

>>7018190
>all this propaganda
Many of them are scared. Universities have become close-minded shitholes whose main goal is to enforce a self-regulatory train of thought based off misconceptions.

It isn't surprising that the same people who believe in these things also have been shown to have a low locus of control, meaning they blame outward things instead of saying "I could've done this".

[Anonymous No.7018292]

>>7018244
Literary theory has its own lexicon, its own canon, and is an on-going conversation with which new ideas are put forward, tested, and critiqued. When an old idea is found to have less merit than new ideas, the old idea is abandoned or modified in favour of the new idea. Just because it all takes place in your mind with ephemeral properties rather than in a laboratory with physical elements doesn't mean that the process itself isn't rigorous and draws parallels to scientific theory.

Also merit is no excuse for an excessive ego. It shows poor character.

[Anonymous No.7018319]

>>7018290
>Many of them are scared.
Says who? Remember that you said "many", which means you must provide many examples.

>Universities have become close-minded shitholes whose main goal is to enforce a self-regulatory train of thought based off misconceptions.
Prove it. Present evidence that supports your claim.

>propaganda
If you mean I'm propagating and idea, yes. Need I remind you that your responded by propagating an idea of your own?

>>7018292
>draws parallels to scientific theory.
Sure, but parallel in the sense that they never converge.

>Also merit is no excuse for an excessive ego. It shows poor character.
As does pettiness, friend.

[Anonymous No.7018329]

I don't believe any of the spergs here know anything about feminist theory at all.

A man telling women in what ways they can be equal to men is obviously a thorny problem from a feminist point of view. There is nothing wrong with some guy pointing that out as a caveat to is view point in a class on feminism.

[Anonymous No.7018338]

>>7018319
Not him, but there are certainly examples that come to mind, however anecdotal. For obvious reasons this circumstance is not subject to overwhelming amount of research.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/422941/protesting-inhumanity-kathryn-jean-lopez

The perception is not limited to those in academia.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/08/jerry-seinfeld-politically-correct-college-campuses

[Anonymous No.7018340]

>>7018069
I'm no longer putting up with this garbage.

I'm a male, and everything interesting that I enjoy has been made by males.

Every female motion for "equality" is theft and appropriation of male spaces invented and sustained by males.

They are idiotic and incapable, causing nothing but damage. They cannot create independently, and so steal from us.

We would be indifferent to women if they worked on their own, but they can't, they are parasitic.

I'm overtly and avowedly misogynist, and I encourage others to be the same. We males have proved that we can achieve greatness without Yoko Ono (i.e. every female) dragging us down.

If the cunts want a gender war, then let's make it hot. Vote misogyny, now.

[Anonymous No.7018345]

>>7018319
Just trying to check your pride before you fall, buddy.

[Anonymous No.7018355]

>>7018319
I was saying your idea is wrong; I'm not advocating much.
>many of them are scared
Do rape victims speak out about rape? Same thing.

>Universities have become close-minded shitholes whose main goal is to enforce a self-regulatory train of thought based off misconceptions.
OP is one. Your thoughts are another (been socially institutionalized by a university). There are a lot more but I'm not going to go find them.
Here are some >>7018338

[Anonymous No.7018372]

>>7018338
>http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/422941/protesting-inhumanity-kathryn-jean-lopez

Ignore this one, when I scrolled down the URL changed.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/415885/pc-police-arent-fragile-theyre-vengeful-and-malicious-david-french

[Anonymous No.7018384]

>>7018099
I can see a dubstantial difference between your post and OP's.

[Anonymous No.7018398]

>>7018338
>anecdotal
Precisely my point. Content creation online is a numbers game. If you can create controversy, you profit. Any site stands to gain just as much from selling fear of political correctness gone to far as the idea that it hasn't gone far enough. The idea of overreaching political correctness isn't even new. It's been a mainstay of reactionary commentary since the Gingrich years.

>>7018355
You're advocating the position that I'm wrong. The way you're framing it (as an apparent fact) is a rhetorical technique more reminiscent of indoctrinating propaganda than anything I've said.

So you have a data point of one, and an assertion that "there are a lot more". Your other "evidence" that my words are proof of indoctrination are just a restating of your previous point that your position is self-evident, doesn't need to be held up to scrutiny, and contradictory claims are propaganda.

>>7018345
I'm familiar with the concept. Perhaps you ought to focus on your own pride, which has propelled you to the point where you feel obligated to patronizingly provide council to people.

[Anonymous No.7018434]

>>7018398
>the only correct proof is the proof I agree with
Haha okay m88.

[Anonymous No.7018438]

Y'all just hopped on the bait train to flavour town

[Anonymous No.7018442]

>>7018244
>The study of literature is completely subjective. There is not science to it. The sooner you realize that, the better off you'll be.

I love this meme.

[Anonymous No.7018461]

>>7018398
Yeah, the same thing can be said of everything you've said too, so we're not going anywhere. I say it is wrong because it is wrong, in the same way what I'm saying is wrong to you. You seem somewhat smart but you've been indoctrinated by university to quite an astounding degree. It is no wonder your posts read like propaganda. People like you are funny because usually you have no idea what it is like to be poor or a minority

[Anonymous No.7019541]

>>7018069
What was her experiment??

[Anonymous No.7019554]

>>7018244
The study of literature isn't completely subjective. One can't just make baseless claims about a text without supporting evidence.

[Anonymous No.7019568]

>>7018069

Canadian University. Had a sociology professor that tore down feminism, and was unapologetic about it.

Why is the US so degenerate

[Anonymous No.7019581]

>>7019568
>why are Europe's leftovers so degenerate?
gee i dont know, Billy

[Anonymous No.7019592]

>>7018166

Pure autism.

Can you imagine a responsible parent saying to his or her daughter: don't worry about getting blackout drunk at a party full of strangers, it's not your job to control male sexuality.

Sociology is a bunk field to begin with

[Anonymous No.7019601]

>>7018190

Sounds like a department full of the mentally ill and psychologically timid

Have fun working at Walmart

[Anonymous No.7019608]

>>7018244

If you're a genius then we need to come up with a different word to describe people who are actually brilliant

[Anonymous No.7019619]

[Anonymous No.7019676]

>>7019541
She sent out the same manuscript under her own name and under a male pseudonym and then compared the answers.

[Anonymous No.7019704]

>>7018091

[Anonymous No.7019706]

>>7018105
underrated toast

[Anonymous No.7019714]

>>7018174
got me to post
4/10

[Anonymous No.7019728]

Shifting the conversation will all these SJW issues just blow over in a couple years or will it keep getting worse?

[Anonymous No.7019729]

>>7018329
Isn't the premise that men are inherently wrong when speaking about issues of gender equality a form of apartheid? If a peaceful, diplomatic solution is impossible (through integration, empathy, acceptance of differences), then shouldn't resolution of this conflic be sought in some other way rather than letting it steep in the lukewarm water of universities and slanderous media platforms, i.e. armed conflict?

[Anonymous No.7019732]

>>7018340
too far buddy

[Anonymous No.7019767]

Just moved into one of the most recognized LibArts unis in the South
Classes start tomorrow
How bad have I fucked up

[Anonymous No.7019772]

>>7019728
It will be an ambient background noise in our culture until the next inevitable paradigm shift, some sort of unforseeable catastrophe (unforseeable in that the predictions of ideologies such as feminism, analytical science, conservatism render it invisible) in which case it will be, along with all other "undesirable" political movements and subcultures, violently replaced with something else.

The United States have a remarkable ability to assimilate and "tolerate" subcultures. Look at things like punk culture, rave culture, psychedelia, hippies, grunge, the list goes on. Feminism itself has been an undercurrent in the river of American progress for a century now. Social justice is admittedly a new breed, a new breed of hatred, apartheid and delusion, a disease of our times if anything. It's already broken into the mainstream (or atleast one of them). Expect yourself to be as an old person waiting tentatively for the seemingly inevitable influence of green hair and large glasses to appear in your grandchildren or there peers, hoping quietly under your breath that your years of careful study and contemplation have benefitted tangibly in your family and the genetic material you've passed on to create temperance and thoughtfulness.

Look towards the next American presidential election, it's the best way to tell where we're headed as a people.

[Anonymous No.7019779]

>>7019767
Put your studies first and you can't fuck up going to uni. Choose your friends wisely and go easy on the drugs. We're all gunna make it brah.

[Anonymous No.7019786]

>>7019729

About women, ask only the men.

[Anonymous No.7019793]

>>7019779
But anon
Duh femuhnuztzz

[Anonymous No.7019798]

>>7018100
surely a 40 year old lesbian couldn't be out of touch

[Anonymous No.7019804]

>>7019767
Which uni? Davidson? Washington and Lee? Sewanee? I'm from the South but went to pic related. You haven't fucked up. Freshman year there are three things you need to do: crush your courses so you start with a high GPA; join organizations you're interested in and network aggressively through every clique you come into contact with; have a little fun, develop your ability to balance productivity and hedonism but really do balance them.

[Anonymous No.7019812]

>>7018190
>And sometimes it is. However, not ever single instance of something you think is silly is some sort of evil conspiracy to hold the white man down. It's only a problem when it silences. It's not a problem that you're being exposed to something you haven't before. That's actually a good thing.
Not OP, but you seem to be either old or deluded. It is most definitely a problem, and this is coming from a leftist

[Anonymous No.7019819]

>>7018244
>he study of literature is completely subjective.
>I'm a genius. Sorry that triggers you, chum.
my fucking sides, someone call nabokov on this platitudinous propagandist

[Anonymous No.7019822]

>>7018069
Social Justice has become an opiate for the masses in lieu of religion, it serves exactly the same functions and keeps young people controlled hating each other and insignificant shit rather than question why specific mega-rich families own the world.

Instead of volunteering at soup kitchens or teaching in low income communities, the progressives/social justice crowd blog online to showcase how tolerant(and therefore good) they are, while being told exactly how to think and what to hate. Collective witch hunts and hate campaigns are welcomed by the media, because it's for the right reasons, isn't it? Justine Sacco has her life ruined over a poor taste joke, and she wasn't a straight white male boogeyman, was she? When called out on this abusive behavior, the response is invoking feminism/anti-racism's mission of protecting women/minorities, and accusing the accuser of being a straight white male crying over privilege, which is another vague, unprovable concept that somehow isn't racist to apply to a whole skin color.

Demands for safe spaces and censored language, calling anything uncomfortable "hate speech" and destroying careers, lives, stalking and screaming down opposition to what the social justice dogma believes is moral has opened up younger people to willingly accepting Orwell's 1984 nightmare, because they dare not feel upset.

[Anonymous No.7019835]

>>7018398
>atronizingly provide council to people.
Not him, but you've literally claimed to be a genius on a forum where 14 year olds masturbate to chinese cartoons
I don't think there's anything patronizing in pointing out just how absurd this is

[Anonymous No.7020080]

>>7019772
i don't think the next shift will be too radical or unpredictable. younger people tend to rebel against older ideas. therefore the highly individual, identity politics of SJWs will probably be challenged by a younger collective, economically driven leftist movement. While this sounds great it may unfortunately come with some strange baggage: some will view the SJWs as bourgeois ivy tower academic fantasies, leading to anti-intellectualism. Others may lament what SJWs have done to academia and actually take the other route, seeking to reclaim universities from political correctness and endless bureaucracy.

If this proves true, it will be easy for the system to ultimately assimilate this group, because beyond the more radical demands is a pragmatic drive to address complaints within the existing system, unlike the airheaded SJW ideas that have no clear target or goal.

[Anonymous No.7020098]

>>7018228
This

[Anonymous No.7020124]

>>7018244
>anthropology
>genius
kek

Phil/Math double major, here. my IQ is 3 times bigger. :^)

[Anonymous No.7020131]

Sorry guys, just passing through to promote Tao.
Carry on
( :^) )-|-<

[Anonymous No.7020691]

>>7019779
>Put your studies first and you can't fuck up going to uni.

Not even true.

Make sure you know what you want. Do well no matter what, but look up the stats on graduates in your major and make a realistic assessment of where you're heading.

If you want to major in something like Women's Studies or Black Studies or something along those lines, know that there's, for all intents and purposes, no jobs except Starbucks outside of academia. If you want to be a professor, that's great, but don't expect to be making 6 figures.

[Anonymous No.7020723]

Can this movement please fucking die already...
I miss old Marxism, like this is how far I am. I honestly miss Marxism. What a great opponent.

I want real discussions with sane people but from another side of the political spectrum.
I don't want to debate safe zones, trigger warnings over the word "men", my invisible privileges and how people are actually signing fucking contracts before going to bed to make sure it isn't rape.

I'm not a "le wrong generation" type of dude, but jesus fucking christ this has to be the lowest point we've ever reached in terms of politics and philosophy as such.
And it's not even that widespread. Public debate is being heisted by a vocal minority.. I don't know what to do against this but killing them all.

[Anonymous No.7020753]

>>7020723

Ironically, Islam will be the only enemy they won't see coming and which will be able to destroy them with a sucker punch.

[Anonymous No.7020785]

>>7018105

Ehhh, SJW is just playing/prying on weakened beta men their emotiveness for damsels in distress: "That hurts my feelings!"

If men were actually men, they would respond the same way most of 4chan does: "Cry more."
But our culture is one in which a hysterical bitch needs to be calmed down at all costs, not getting a good Connery slap to get some sense into her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZaEP51rtmg

[Anonymous No.7020952]

>>7018228
>muh feels

[Anonymous No.7020965]

>>7020691
>no jobs except Starbucks outside of academia.
Oh obviously (guy who posted the start of this convo)
I'd love to just get English or History degree with a minor in French, but there aren't any jobs for any of that.

[Anonymous No.7020993]

>>7018069
>How did we get here, lit?
Because we tolerated it. We tolerated every single step in the long line of decline from the height of Western civilization to our present decadence.

It is important to realize that leftist intellectuals have no particular goal in mind, and have simply made a career out of being offended at the power structures of the status quo and seeking to subvert it. There is no point at which they will be satisfied that their job is done, because to do so would end their political relevance. What this means is that tolerating these people will invariably lead to the eventual dissolution of our society, sooner or later, and its steady decline up to the point of that final doom.

[Anonymous No.7020994]

>>7018166
I go back and forth on this topic

On the one hand, yeah, you should be aware that drinking puts you at risk so be careful. Calling that "victim blaming" is pretty goofy.

But on the other, when you're in uni, parties are for getting drunk. That's really the main purpose of them. Everyone gets drunk at them. Guys get to do that and have fun, so do girls, but they also have to deal with the tiny chance that hey, you might get fucked when you're drunk and be unable to stop it from happening.

[Anonymous No.7021006]

>>7020723
if can find political leverage from stuff like safe zones and active decolonization, you'll never be true Bolsheviki.

[Anonymous No.7021027]

>>7020785
That is a disservice to its real power.

The core power of SJW movements is that they allow the disenchanted, the disenfranchised, and the existentially-crises'd individual the chance to don the fletchings of Revolution without actually doing any revolting. There's substantial difference between a Black Lives Matter hashtag and honest-to-God riots in the streets of Ferguson; the people making the hashtag only care about the Situation of the working-class black insofar that it gives them power to ascend to the status of Liberal.

Understand I don't mean Liberal in the 'slur' sense, but in their function on a societal level. The role in society of the Liberal is to pick and choose portions of Other Society, things that are separate from the ruling power, to be absorbed into that ruling power structure. (In this context, a conservative would be one who identifies with said power structure and is apprehensive of admitting further bits but ultimately allows it) The reality of modern Social Justice consists of both trying to take up that position, add themselves into that much-touted additive position, all the while maintaining the facade of the Revolutionary.

Consider the sections of Tumblr which proclaim to be Hard Left. Here they enjoy the consumerism, the in-jokes, the cynicism, indeed the memes of the predominant culture. At the same time they manage to take their current position, as either filmers of protests (a worthy endeavor, commentary or otherwise), or, more insidiously, as 'slacktivists' and use these things to make the claim that they are ardent -- whatever; communists, socialists, anarcho-somethings, syndicalists, and so on. They neglect to understand that their endeavors serve to further fracture the Disenfranchised along schism lines, delineated by notions of who has suffered 'more' or 'less' under the current dominant structure. A pointless differentiation, explicitly designed to at once maintain the faux-Revolutionary attire ("they aren't REAL communists-anarchists-whatevers!") while also allowing the appeal to the Liberal Mindset ("we're not REALLY XYZ-ists, we just demand this aspect change").

And yet the nature of the internet means that they can collectively indulge this delusion, this conviction that they're the real, new Left, that can sustain and pundit for REAL CHANGE. In reality their entire existence is itself a facet of the Identity Politics machine which allows wishful thinkers across the political spectrum to remain just that: actionless wishful thinkers. And of course the incredulous HOWL is 'but look at all these things we've accomplished!' Yes, of course. Look at all these things you've made part of the dominant structure you claimed to so despise.

The great tragedy isn't that the Left is dead, but that the Left (and indeed the more virulent strains of the Right) have willingly neutered themselves in the machinery of Mass Media.

[Anonymous No.7021034]

>>7020994
It really depends on how drunk the girl is when she gets fucked.

If she's still conscious, and simply consents to sex more freely than she would sober, she has no right to complain and the man has done nothing wrong.

If she's unconscious, and is fucked without expressing consent, then the man is in the wrong.

[Anonymous No.7021035]

>>7019822
>saying privilege is vague and unprovable
>unironically using le 1984 metaphor
everything else is good

[Anonymous No.7021057]

>>7021034
yeah, blackout drunk is basically what I'm referring to

if a guy blacks out, the worst he has to worry about generally is getting dicks drawn on his face

but then there's the whole issue with drunk rape accusations often being unprovable

it's a tangly issue, imo lowering the legal drinking age couldn't make it worse

[Anonymous No.7021065]

My university is celebrated for it's philosophy department and the number of participating females, both students and professors.

Feminist philosophy lecturer was male, based, and everybody loved him.

[Anonymous No.7021070]

>>7021027
I'm glad someone else here realizes the extent to which liberals have recuperated radical thought. Worst part of being a communist.

[Anonymous No.7021173]

>>7021057
I knew a guy who was buttfucked while passed out.

[Anonymous No.7021267]

>>7021070
>>7021027
These guys get it.

[Anonymous No.7021988]

>>7021027
Honest to God best post I've seen on lit in months. 10/10. Should be required reading.

[Anonymous No.7022018]

>>7021065
That sounds lovely.

[Anonymous No.7022052]

please go back to reddit

/lit/ is a safe space, where we discuss movements like feminism according to what they are, rather than rail against feminism because "what about the menz"

[Anonymous No.7022056]

>>7021027
can you expand a bit on the right because I feel as if the 'virulent strains' of the right are those in Europe that are very much outside of the mainstream media while the 'establishment' right seems to be dying off

[Anonymous No.7022087]

>>7018069
Honestly if I were taking a feminism class I'd probably want the lecturer to be female if only for that chance that she might be more passionate about the subject.

[Anonymous No.7022094]

>>7021027

Everyone screencap this

Nice work good sir

[Anonymous No.7022106]

>>7018186
>Philosophy has warned about this bullshit coming TBH

Really? Do tell plz, I'm very interested.

[Anonymous No.7022328]

>>7018340
>everything interesting that I enjoy has been made by males

You are aware that the device you used to post that drivel of yours probably wouldn't exist if a certain woman hadn't come up with the first algorithm designed to be carried out by a machine, right?

Please do us the favor of thinking before you pollute this board by typing.

[Anonymous No.7022358]

>>7018186
The spergs in the math department will just ignore it, and Math will largely be immune to it. Math is the same regardless of politics or race, and it also tends to be low paying compared to other STEM fields. SJWs will ignore it, and it will ignore them.

Comp Sci better watch out though.

[Anonymous No.7022364]

>>7018080
It's not murder, it's public execution for the common good and is perfectly justifiable/lawful.

[Anonymous No.7022415]

>>7019772
I never thought of the movement as the most recent subculture before but that actually makes a lot of sense.

[Anonymous No.7022426]

>>7019728
we're on the precipice of something tbh
where the European right is headed is the most interesting thing happening at the moment imo

[Anonymous No.7022436]

>>7022328
You seem to be implying that something only ever has one chance to be invented, and if it isn't invented in that moment it will never come into existence. A spurious position, indeed. The inevitable revolution which brings about the creation of a necessity is a far cry from the creative process which brings about art.

[Anonymous No.7022440]

>>7022426
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[Anonymous No.7022456]

>>7020080
how long will it be before there starts to be significant reactions against identity politics though? The SJW movement is definitely still on the rise, there are reactions against it but they're not exactly credible, mostly edgy teens and delusional red pill types. I think it's yet to reach its peak of integration into culture.

[Anonymous No.7022499]

>>7022456
Not the person who you're responding to, but I disagree with your idea that we haven't seen the peak of social justice's integration into western societies. In the 90s the kind of tone policing and emphasis on inclusivity was all the rage. As was the whole attitude that liberals have had for a long time now: "I'm so cool and knowledgable and you're not." This all disintegrated in the mid nineties after some Clinton admins made some public comments about how unhelpful the tone policers and constant language analyst were. Part of what's helping these people is that the governments are encouraging them and once that stops it might be a few years before we hear the buzz words and drivel for a while.

[Anonymous No.7022502]

>>7021034
I don't think the line is conscious, I think the line is significant trouble walking. I don't know how you would make a fair law around this that you could ever actually prove anything on, but at least from a moral standpoint, you'd have to be a pretty fucked up individual to be sober and try take home a girl who is conscious but essentially helpless

[Anonymous No.7022540]

>>7022499
I go to a smallish university in New Zealand. I'm unsure how much larger the movement will grow, and I'm unsure how long it will be before the inevitable pushback, but I'm pretty sure the size of the movement atm, at least here, is bigger than anything that was happening in the 90s. There's official "safe spaces" set up, as well as a dedicated woman's only space. almost all university publications have trigger warnings if they discuss violence/sex. it seems like half the articles in the student magazine are about relevant issues. identity politics/sjw are certainly the dominant "counterculture" (if you would even call it that) atm.

[Freedonia !!8tCw7Tybjbb No.7022556]

>>7022456
There is no credible Leftist opposition to liberalism as represented by SJWs.

[Anonymous No.7022561]

>>7022556
This is possibly the most retarded and least informed comment I've read in weeks

[Anonymous No.7022575]

>>7020994
Generally speaking, why is it a problem that a drunk girl might be taken advantage of, but no attention is paid to the fact the equivalent drunkness of the male was the equivalent effect of hindering his judgment?

A male who would be unwilling to take advantage of some girl may loose control of his dick to the alcohol, just as the girl looses her better judgment. Should males be disallowed from drinking while it's criticized to call woman drinking a problem?

[Anonymous No.7022589]

>>7022575
>Generally speaking, why is it a problem that a drunk girl might be taken advantage of, but no attention is paid to the fact the equivalent drunkness of the male was the equivalent effect of hindering his judgment?

this is why we need feminism

[Anonymous No.7022595]

>>7018069

>The greatest enemy that we have is raised in our own mind. The grammar of self-intolerance is what we have imposed and allowed others to impose upon us. Political correctness is a white European grammar, which we’ve been taught, and we’ve stumbled through the early phases of, and yet we’ve learned this grammar and the methodology that lies behind it very well.

>We’ve learned it to such a degree that we can’t have an incorrect thought now, without a spasm of guilt that associates with it and goes along with it. Every time we think of a self-affirmative statement, it’s undercut immediately by the idea that there’s something wrong, or something queasy, or something quasi-genocidal, or something not quite right, or something morally ill about us if we have that thought. And this extends out beyond racial and ethnic questions to all other questions. To questions of gender, to questions of group identity and belonging, to questions of cultural affirmation, to questions of history.

>Only when we are fit for power will we find the means to re-exercise it in our own societies. What is happening here and elsewhere in the West is the biggest test that Western people have faced for a very long period. In the past threats are always perceived as external. Another nation, another dictator, another aggressor, another imperial rivalry. In this filament of Empire, in the scramble for Africa at the end of the 19th century, and so on.

>All the enemies that we now face are internal. And the biggest enemies that we face are in our own minds. The feeling that we shouldn’t say this, shouldn’t write this, shouldn’t speak this, shouldn’t think this. These are the biggest enemies that we have. We’re too riddled with post-Christian guilt. We’re too riddled with philo-Semitism. We’re too riddled with a sense of failure, funk, and futility in relation to the European, the Classical, and the High Middle Ages past. We’re too defensive. We’re not aggressive and assertive enough as a group.

[Anonymous No.7022601]

>>7022589
feminism doesn't care about men.

It wants all of the social freedoms men enjoy while retaining all of the social privileges they were originally traded for.

[Anonymous No.7022605]

>>7022456
>there are reactions against it but they're not exactly credible, mostly edgy teens and delusional red pill types
a nationalist party is currently polling #1 in Sweden

[Anonymous No.7022613]

>>7022456

Right-Wing Parties are reaching over 20% in nearly all northern and central European countries except in Germany and have been consistently rising for a decade, ergo, this is not just some momentary counter-cultural movement.

These numbers can even be inflated by 2-4% because polling when it comes to the far-right consistently gets the voting outcome wrong by that amount, which tends to be explained by the fact that people are unwilling to out themselves as far-right voters to pollsters because of the stigma such a vote still carries in most European societies.

[Anonymous No.7022641]

>>7022613
terrorists win by perverting and radicalizing a nation, not by actually killing people.

[Anonymous No.7022654]

>>7022641

I fail to see how the far-right taking over would be a "win" for terrorists.

The terrorists ultimate goal is a world-wide caliphate, something that the far-right would be most against.

Terrorists actually have most to gain from center-left multiculturalists.

[Anonymous No.7022656]

>>7022589
>that pic
Are these people really so deaf to the hypocrisy?

[Anonymous No.7022671]

>>7022654
>fails to see how a observating policestate that mistrusts his citizens is a bad thing
>fails to see how increased security measures and military expenditure comes with cuts in other sectors
>fails to see how far right is just another flavour of ideology ridden idiots

[Anonymous No.7022685]

>>7022671

None of that is a win for the terrorists.

My comment was specifically tailored to your argument that this is somehow a win for terrorists.

I never stated my personal opinions or preferences about living under a far-right government so you are setting up a gigantic strawman here.

[Anonymous No.7022690]

>>7022671
the 'far right' isn't advocating those things though

[Anonymous No.7022719]

>>7022690

Yes, it is.

Authoritarianism is the extreme right wing of the political continuum.

[Anonymous No.7022731]

>>7022719
so are Pegida and the Identitarians protesting for more surveillance and military expenditure???

[Anonymous No.7022748]

>>7022719
the left is very authoritarian

[Anonymous No.7022819]

>>7022748
more implicitly authoritarian than the right

[Anonymous No.7023151]

>>7022589
I love that image. I love the way 'Jake' is looking over the rim of his glass, smug gleam in his eyes, all like: "aww yeah you see this chick? She's walking right into my trap..." It's just so well constructed. It really embodies the underlying theme of: 'these people are doing the same thing, but one of them IS WRONG AND BAD.'

[Anonymous No.7023157]

>>7023151
Plus the way it's constructed like a bromance movie DVD cover, eviscerating that entire subculture of men having fun trying to get laid.

[Anonymous No.7023747]

>>7019822
YES, I was looking for a word for these types of people.

[Anonymous No.7023766]

>froshmen orientation week at Uni
>obligatory 'don't rape one another' sex abuse presentation
>they try to make it a lel comedy sketch thing to make it less awkward
>scenario is a guy and girl getting drunk and having non-consensual sex
>tumblr libarts crowd goes crazy and eats it up, sketch actors in turn make the guy more and more evil/rapey
>nobody at any point mentions the guy was drunk too and technically couldn't consent for fear of being crucified by the Orgy-Porgy
>sketch group snuck in a 'oh btw gay dudes can be raped too sorta' at the end and nothing else about assault on men
I'm already afraid

[Anonymous No.7023782]

>>7022819
HAHAH

[Anonymous No.7023791]

>>7021173
This. Drunken revelers will pull down your trousers and shove things up your arse and take picture to embarress you (it's the west, its not gay or so Im told). I heard a city one guy who walked home along and got gangraped beside our city hall

[Anonymous No.7023793]

>>7018091
>Implying a neutral perspective is even possible
>Implying the ideal isn't getting a variety of opinions

[Anonymous No.7023816]

>>7018091
>problematic
stopped there

[Anonymous No.7023833]

>>7023766
Fucking lol. I just started a new degree in a new town, and as a college resident they tried to make us sit through a workshop on that, but being a masters student I had classes to go to.

When I saw the other residents come back, all the guys were super stand-offish with the girls. One guy who was physically flirty with them before (and they enjoyed it because he was hot) suddenly froze up around them and was all "I think what I was doing was rape."

Poor freshmen. I'm so glad I started my undergrad in the 2000s.

[Anonymous No.7023862]

>>7018069
>How did we get here, lit?
Feminism brought us here.

[Anonymous No.7023871]

tbh I don't want to be sexist but I have a nagging fear that men and women just aren't on the same level and never will be

[Anonymous No.7023932]

>>7021027
>The core power of SJW movements is that they allow the disenchanted, the disenfranchised, and the existentially-crises'd individual the chance to don the fletchings of Revolution without actually doing any revolting. There's substantial difference between a Black Lives Matter hashtag and honest-to-God riots in the streets of Ferguson; the people making the hashtag only care about the Situation of the working-class black insofar that it gives them power to ascend to the status of Liberal.

This is exactly right. I'm currently working towards my PhD. in lit. When I first came, I was optimistic and eager to surround myself with people who are just as passionate about language and writing as I am. Within a year, however, I was so disillusioned that I nearly quit; rather than vibrant discussion about literature, all conversations turn to the same tired mantras about social justice. Not only that, but there's an obviously mercenary bent to all of my (affluent, white) colleagues' "activism". They don't volunteer at soup kitchens or food drives, but they write eagerly about the evils of capitalism towards the poor. They claim to stand up for the rights of workers while ensconcing themselves in the cloisters of the academy, surrounded by "right thinking" people and help to support a department that exploits and marginalizes its own students, using graduates for cheap labor via undergraduate teaching. They argue that any who disagree with them - even the working class they so ardently champion - are suffering from internalized isms, adopting the attitude of the enlightened savior. And of course, every article they publish is tied to the cause du jour, all the better to build their CVs with, and always ending in an argument for why the humanities deserve more funding/respect/support than those privileged dudebros in STEM. The one professor I do respect lamented once that there are far too many Marxists who have never had a meal in the home of a working man.

The worst part is, they're all hypocrites. The chair of my department yelled at a fellow grad student for daring to request extra time for a conference paper due to her pregnancy, and the open contempt my colleagues have for undergrads, many of them from lower income families, is downright vitriolic. They've fetishized the idea of marginalization to the extent that one's position within power structures is directly related to one's moral rightness. The more repressed you are, the better a person you are seen as, and vice versa. And of course, since there's always inequalities present - and by God if there aren't they'll FIND them via the ideas of "microaggressions" or "internalized privilege" or their beloved "author function" - they always have something to bitch about in their articles and build their own career within university.

I'm glad I decided to refocus my studies on a career in teaching instead of scholarship. What a rotten fucking business.