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Which author captured the essence of 'manliness' the best?

What about femininity?

>> No.7164294

>>7164280
Nabokov is masculinity and Austen is femininity.

>> No.7164302
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>>7164294
Nabokov? He was an absent minded butterfly enthusiast

>> No.7164303

>>7164302
Have you read Lolita?

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>>7164280
Can't I go my last day without the impersonations?

>> No.7164577 [DELETED] 

>>7164294
So mans are rapists and woman are futile?

>> No.7164580

>>7164294
So men are rapists and women futile?

>> No.7164586

>>7164303

is this a fucking joke

Nabokov's work barely explores masculinity

masculinity is so culturally-apecific, but some good examples might be Fleming's Bond or a lot of Arthur Miller's male protagonist

>> No.7164599

>>7164586
It is a joke, a joke made to make me look bad.

>> No.7164607

>>7164599
you do that adequately without assistance.

>> No.7164608

>>7164303
This is so incorrect, it hurts to read.

>> No.7164620

Old Man and the Sea

Tai Pei

>> No.7164635

American Psycho is a pretty good look at the uglier side of masculinity.

>> No.7164732

Pretty much every book by Hemingway features a masculine character.

>> No.7164803

>>7164732
Hemingway for masculinity, Atwood for femininity.

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7164813

ITT
>muh ideology

>> No.7164833

>>7164309
>last day
Don't leave ;_;

>> No.7165556

Lermontov for masculinity

>> No.7165579
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7165579

Manliness is being alone, bitterly pathetic and militaristic.

>> No.7165590

>>7164580
Yes.

>> No.7165591

>>7164280
>spooks

>> No.7165599

>>7165591
hahaha epic!

>> No.7165601

>>7165599
>>>/reddit/

>> No.7165603

>>7164607
fucking rekt

>> No.7165604

>>7165601
Don't like people calling you out on your shitty memes?

>> No.7165612

>>7164303
Listen, love: Nabokov isn't manly. I appreciate that you had a go, but leave the masculine stuff to the men, alright?

>> No.7165614

>>7165604
Don't like when your beliefs get called out as what they are, i.e. spooks?

>> No.7165622

>>7165612
>Listen, love
>but leave the masculine stuff to the men, alright?

*cringes fedora*

>> No.7165628

>>7165614
Everyone is aware of spooks, I don't understand why in many threads there is some idiot calling the OP a spook.
If Stirner argued like you people he wouldn't been taken seriously at all, explain why this particular spook is something negative, add something to the thread at least.

>> No.7165631

>>7165628
spooky

>> No.7165632

>>7165631
epic

>> No.7165637

It's funnier doing specific works:

Masculinity: Tractatus by Wittgeinstein
Femininity: 50 Shades of Gray

>> No.7165645

>>7164280
What's the essence of manliness?

>> No.7165649

>>7164280
As a feminine man, I'd say Woolf nailed femininity fairly well.

>> No.7165651

>>7165649
fucking degenerate shitbag, go back to tumblr, mentally ill faggot libcuck marxist swine

>> No.7165682

>>7164635
>Masculinity means being psychotic yuppie
Anita pls.

>>7164732
>>7164620
Hemingway is usually a good way to go, he explores both sides of stereotypical masculinity, critical aspects and real aspects.

>> No.7165705

>>7165579
>bitterly pathetic
This is basically the opposite of manliness

>> No.7165720

Freud

>> No.7165728

>>7165651
good post

>> No.7165732

>>7164280
>Which author captured the essence of 'manliness' the best?
Robert E. Howard
>What about femininity?
Stephanie Mayer

>> No.7165734

>>7165622
How do you cringe a fedora?

>> No.7165753

>>7165734
Maybe if you'd taken your eyes of Chad cock for a few seconds to engage your mind in more intellectual matters, then you'd have the capacity to understand how, sweetheart.

Now, the males are having a bit of grown-up discourse here, so why don't you go play with your dolls, okay my child?

>> No.7165771

>>7164280
Shakespeare and Shakespeare.

>> No.7165776

>>7164303
Cunt

>> No.7165781

>all these answers
>no Melville

Moby Dick is pretty much How to Not be a Faggot: The Book.

He's the only author that captured the zeal for life and adventure of 'manlines' without being over the top, self aware, and insecure, like Hemingway, HST, or Bukowski.

>> No.7165782

>>7165753
You on drugs, man?

>> No.7165783

>>7165651
>swine
Why is this the preferred insult used by autistics?

>> No.7165790

>>7165781
What about Queequeg?

>> No.7165791

>>7165783
HST used it. Moody high schoolers think they can emulate him by doing drugs and calling people swine.

>> No.7165797

>>7165781
>Squeeze! squeeze! squeeze! all the morning long; I squeezed that sperm till I myself almost melted into it; I squeezed that sperm till a strange sort of insanity came over me; and I found myself unwittingly squeezing my co-laborers' hands in it, mistaking their hands for the gentle globules.
>Such an abounding, affectionate, friendly, loving feeling did this avocation beget; that at last I was continually squeezing their hands, and looking up into their eyes sentimentally; as much as to say,- Oh! my dear fellow beings, why should we longer cherish any social acerbities, or know the slightest ill-humor or envy! Come; let us squeeze hands all round; nay, let us all squeeze ourselves into each other; let us squeeze ourselves universally into the very milk and sperm of kindness.

>> No.7165798

>>7165790
>implying there's anything unmanly about celebrating the raw power of a carnivorous, athletic savage

Not to be racist, but we do it all the time with black athletes today. Anyone who can't appreciate that aspect of human accomplishment is insecure about their own manhood.

>> No.7165802

>>7165798
>blacks
>accomplishment

Kill yourself libcuck shitcunt

>> No.7165807

>>7165790
>>7165797
>thinking being gay means being a sissy faggot

cheque ur priv fam

>> No.7165812

masculinity: Carver
femininity: Atwood

>> No.7165817

>>7165798
Can we squeeze hands together?

>> No.7165822

>>7165798
uncuck yourself tbh

>> No.7165823

>>7165802
Thanks for elevating discussion, /pol/.

>> No.7165841

Masculinity idk, but Woolfie captured the essence of femininity perfectly, especially in To The Lighthouse

>> No.7165843

Dickens for both.

>> No.7165850

>femininity
Flaubert

>> No.7165851

>>7164280

James Salter got masculinity correct over and over again

>> No.7165868

>>7165850
Indeed.

>> No.7165870

>>7165790
dude, Queequeg is the essence of manliness

he has a heart of gold but is still willing to get on a tiny boat and stab a whale to death

Everyone should be more like Queequeg

>> No.7165906
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>>7164280

>> No.7165913

Homer for masculinity. Admit it, there's no better answer.

>> No.7165914
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7165914

>Masculinity
Homer
>Femininity
Marie Calloway

Come at me brehs.

>> No.7165969

>>7164280
Definitely not Mishima, he's a fag
>>7165914
A third of the Odyssey is dudes eating dinner and crying

>> No.7166506

>>7165771
The only valid answer so far.

t. Bloom

>> No.7166514

>>7165913
he captured femininity in all the female characters too

>> No.7166535

>>7165969
>he hasn't ever been to a manly feast
>he hasn't cried drunken manly tears with his bros

>> No.7166574
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7166574

>>7166535
>being a fag

>> No.7166589

>>7164280
Manliness: Hemingway, Orwell, Hunter S. Thompson, Cormac McCarthy, Robert E. Howard.

>> No.7166592

>>7164280
There are no essences.

>> No.7166595
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>>7166514
Not really. He captures goddesses, and demigodesses

>> No.7166601

>>7166592
keep believing that. after all, it doesn't matter if essences are real, but that you are convinced that they do not exist in order to maintain a positive self-regard

>> No.7166604

>>7166601
lol

it has nothing to do with my self-regard, you lunatic

>> No.7166605

I haven't read anything that closely examines femininity

Giovanni's Room is the most detailed look at masculinity I've read, and also the least bound to a particular era

>> No.7166608

>>7166595
I heard you were leaving today butters. I hope the best for you in your post-/lit/ years. many of us enjoyed your company here and will miss that familiar symbol.

>> No.7166612

>>7165841
I agree on Woolf, but I'd point to almost any other work before To a the Lighthouse

>> No.7166617

>>7166608
I hope she dies.

>> No.7166619

>>7166617
we all have to die someday anon

>> No.7166640

>>7166619
Except for me. I'm immortal.

>> No.7166666

Masculinity: de Sade
Femininity: de Sade

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>>7166666
this tbh family

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>>7164280
Where is Mishima's right hand?

>> No.7166695

Manliness can't be cognized because it's an intuitive response, not an intellectual one. Basically anyone who worries about "manliness" can't be manly because the very notion negates the idea.

True men are basically animalistic

>> No.7166697

>>7166690
it appears as if he is holding the rail

>> No.7166698

>>7164309
Why last. We love you

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7166706

>>7166697
Shit, I've seen this picture a few times and never noticed the rail in the background.

JUST

>> No.7166710

>>7166608
>>7166698
*Hugs*
Just moving on. So many things to do before old age sets in. 4chan sucks up too much time, so I'll abstain from internet use for a while and avoid here. Hopefully I'll get something decent written so I'll have an excuse to come back and let you all see it. No promises though.

>> No.7166719

>>7166710
Just go away.

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>>7166719
Your butthurt is inspiring.

>> No.7166828

>>7165870
seconded

>> No.7166852

>>7166763
i just started browsing lit maybe a month ago and i'll miss you :)

>> No.7166876

>>7166710
Nobody cares

>> No.7166927

>full blown faggot
>'manly'
top kek mate!

>> No.7166933

>>7166876
don't lie, I know you are probably posting while bawling your eyes out about her leaving

>> No.7166996

>>7166710
REPLY TO ME BUTTERFLY, ONE LAST TIME

HUGS AND KISSES, I WILL MISS YOU

XOXO

>> No.7167346

>>7166710
Wow, its your last day? Well, if you think it's for the best. Btw, I thought a lot of your posts were really quite funny and witty. Good luck.

>> No.7167382

>>7166927
>fucking and eating pussies doesn't make you a giant whiny bitchass pussy
kekked

>> No.7167408

>>7166996
>>7167346
ᵀʰᵃᶰᵏ ʸᵒᵘ ᵗʰᵃᶰᵏ⋅ ᵀʰᵉʸ ᵐᵃᵈᵉ ᵃ ᶜᵒᶰᵗᵃᶦᶰᵐᵉᶰᵗ ᵗʰʳᵉᵃᵈ ᶠᵒʳ ᵗʰᶦˢ ᵗʰᵒᵘᵍʰ⋅ ˢʰʰʰ⋅

>> No.7167415

>>7167408
what is this wizardry?

>> No.7167441

lel women don't know what feminity means.

The only consistent idea you'd get if you asked a 100 or 1000 women would be motherhood.

Women have no identity nowadays. They're ashamed of their old identity so the only thing they can say is " a woman should be free to choose to do whatever she freely decides" which scarcely gives any meaning to being feminine at all.

On the other hand if you asked men from all over the world what it means to be manly you'd get about 70% of the ideas overlapping from person to person no matter whether the man was from India or South Africa or Portugal.

Girls are fucking stupid lmao

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7167450

>>7167408

i don't even

>> No.7167452

>>7165771
Underrated post.

>> No.7167475

>>7166710

Fuck off and die.

>> No.7167488

>>7166876
underrated post

>> No.7167520

>>7167441
nice virginity you have there

>> No.7167528

>>7167441
Uh huh honey

>> No.7168564

Raymond Carver of Breece D'J Pancake. For femininity, idk maybe Alice Munro or Katherine Mansfield.

>> No.7168601

>>7165645
Read Arthurian legend, all the facets of masculinity can be found in there through the characters. Uther Pendragon, King Arthur, Sir Lancelot, Merlin, Percival, etc.

>> No.7168615

>>7168564
>Breece D'J Pancake
>tfw just found a hardcover copy of his short stories in my public library

Should be a good read.

>>7168601
Gangsta rap is where true masculinity lies.

>> No.7168629
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>>7164280
>manliness
Homer

>femininity
Sappho

>> No.7168660

>>7167346
Funny AND witty? Holy shit, the motherfucking Holy Grail right there!

>> No.7168977

>>7167408
love you butty!

>> No.7168990

>>7168977
hollow love ladies and gentleman

>> No.7169006

>>7168977
Im the new butty kid

>> No.7169015

>>7169006
the faggotry must go on