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751577 No.751577 [Reply] [Original]

Vonnegut was a pulp sci-fi writer who dressed his works up in pedantic political themes.

>> No.751580

Dickens was a long winded bore who has nothing to say.

>> No.751585

People only say they like Phillip Pullman to look cool and edgy. He's a butthurt atheist who can't get over the fact that people like C.S. Lewis more.

>> No.751586

I skipped the part on goldsteinism in 1984

>> No.751589

I have no mouth and I must SAY IT!

>> No.751590

To kill a mockingbird has significantly less relevance than it used to, and nobody recognizes that

>> No.751593

I read the sparknotes on Beloved because the book was shit

>> No.751599

I don't actually read the books I buy, I just like collecting them to place on my shelf.

>> No.751603

>>751586

Same.

>> No.751604

I think I must have written half of these responses myself.

I love Hugo's works but I think they're way too fucking heavy on the political and historical backstory. He should have just taken a huge chunk of those chapters and wrote some nonfiction books with them.

>> No.751607

Nobel laureates in literature are only ever pop-issue commentators capitalizing on prevailing social ills or minorities.

>> No.751608

Aldous Huxley is an idiot. Not bothering to explain.

>> No.751611

I don't make time to read much at all but can't shake the idea that I'm a heavy reader.

>> No.751613

Every French philosopher after Sartre is an absolute retard.

>> No.751614

>>751607
FUCKING THIS!

>> No.751615

I told my best friend that I didn't know how to convey emotions and that I had been faking the entire time I knew her. She asked if I was joking.
I don't know whether to feel acomplished or sad.

>> No.751616

Even Sartre didn't believe in the pseudo intellectual bullshit he spewed-- before death he renounced his belief in existentialism.

>> No.751618

I am a militant atheist.

>> No.751619

>>751615
you just sound like a douche. needed to get that off my chest.

>> No.751621

Romeo and Juliet isn't a good play. The ending was different, but other than that, it's just shit.

>> No.751622

I bought On the origin of species for 20 Euro and have read only 5 or so pages, fuck that shit is boring, dated and irrelevant today.

>> No.751623

>>751607
I wish they would televise the Nobel awards ceremony... :(

>> No.751626

>>751586
>>751603
Either you have ADHD or you're too ignorant of the historical period that birthed 1984 to be reading it in the first place.

>> No.751627

>>751619
Thanks man.
So does my psychologist :)

>> No.751628

>>751623
You are now aware that when they make it a mass media thing like the oscars they will give the prize to what the viewers want because it's all about ratings. Stephenie meyer for Nobel prize literature.

>> No.751632

>>751628
Nobody outside of academic circles and a few pompous New York literary groups care about the Nobel Prize.

>> No.751633

>>751626
I've read enough philosophical, political and historical texts already, no need to read some fiction of that kind as well. I read 1984 for Orwell's good writing and story telling, the story and the message.

>> No.751635

>>751632
If they want to televise it they'll need more viewers.

>> No.751636

The only thing I read regularly any more is Nintendo Power.

>> No.751637

I just read the first book of Harry Potter.
I was extremely disappointed.
It fucking better get better than that piece of shit.

>> No.751641

>>751628 i just vomited a little

>> No.751643

>>751637
>Read children's book
>Is disappointed

Are you fucking retarded?

>> No.751644

I always tell my girlfriend that I hate poetry, but I've been moved to tears by a few certain poems.

>> No.751647

I have no fucking interest in reading any kind of poetry. I prefer short stories and non-fiction.

>> No.751649

Catcher in the Rye is one of the most overly rated books of all time. And, I suspect that it's one of the most widely read books.

>> No.751661

i had to put down 'notes from underground' because i identified far too much with the narrator and it frightened me.

>> No.751664

Whenever I hear a hipster talking about Kerouac I have to laugh.

>> No.751665

I think women authors are awful, almost unanimously. I spend a great deal of time trying to come up with good excuses to my lit. friends so I can just keep sticking to my dead white males.

Women poets are ok sometimes.

>> No.751672

>>751661
Kinda this. I loved The Stranger because of how much I related to the main character which freaks me out in retrospect.
Also I have a huge pile of books I just have not finished.
And I really dislike a lot of my friends but I still hang out with them because I've known them for so long.

>> No.751685

>>751665

This guy doesn't know what "unanimous" means.

>> No.751697

I hate Joyce Carol Oates. Who gives a fuck if she's 'prolific?' Everything she writes is mediocre. Don't even go all BLONDIE IS SO GUD on me; the only reason that book was so successful is the public's fetish for Monroe.

>> No.751698

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751731

>>751628

>> No.751734

>>751608

>Huxley did drugs once and wrote an essay about it.

Elaborated on that for you.

>> No.751740

>>751734
The doors of perception, although being about nothing more than him taking mescaline, is actually his most enjoyable writing.

>> No.751742

I am sick of the one-sentence hurr durr I liked this book threads with little critical discussion and just name-dropping.

For the love of God, cut back on the so-called writers' threads. You only need one thread in all 15 pages to show off your terrible writing, not 20.

I am sick of the homework threads because heaven forbid you ask a teacher for help before the week it was due. And if you don't know how to structure an essay by Year 10 or whatever you equivalent is, you are doomed and deserve to fail. So fuck off.

I am sick of people that like Ayn Rand or think she is in anyway relevant to anyone that isn't an American adolescent borderline sociopath.

Shut up with the Philosophy threads where a bunch of assumedly hairy people who might've read Kant once talk one-sentence platitudes for hours on end.

I am sick of the constant repetition of Joyce's letters and the constant boiling down of him and modernism in general as merely "pretentious"

I am sick of any political discussion that uses the American dichotomy of conservative and liberal. And anybody that thinks liberalism = left-wing. I also hate any so-called moderate who got that way from watching too much South Park.

Visual novels aren't literature. Lyrics aren't very good poetry 99% of the time.

All the e-book vs normal books, "hurr durr you buy books lol discussions" fucking shit me off. E-ink readers aren't cheap enough and some of us like not having to rely on electricity. So shut up with your technological supremacist bullshit.

For the love of god if you're going to read Russian literature just get the fucking Pevear and Volokhonsky translations so you don't have a cry later "oh Dostoevsky is so boring".

>> No.751745

I like Haruki Murakami and Stephen King!

>> No.751747

>>751742

You know you can read non "M." Iain Banks books guys.

And for that matter - there is English literature that isn't Anglo-American.

ZWG was a good idea at the start. But the editors are completely incompetent and should really stop samefagging their threads or thinking they deserve much respect at all.

People not liking books because they think they're cool to be a reactionary against a shitty teacher or some hipsters. You are just as uncool as they are.

>> No.751756

I had no idea there was something wrong with liking Murakami?

>> No.751758

>>751665

I'm sorry for being a dick, but I bet you've only read whatever your high school teachers assigned you.

>>751697

Fucking this.

Junot Diaz writes a few books between Drown and Oscar Wao. He doesn't publish them, because he's able to acknowledge the fact that those attempts were shit.

Oates publishes those kinds of books anyways.

>> No.751761

I can't stand people who say graphic novels can't be literature. Sure most comics are pretty shitty, but every once and a while you get a little gem.

inb4 Watchmen

>> No.751767

>>751742

So, what you're trying to say is that you hate every thread on /lit/.

>> No.751772

>>751761
I hate people who say "graphic novels" instead of "comic books". Who are you trying to kid?

>> No.751786

I'm a conservative because most of the liberals I know are smug, know-nothing cunts.

>> No.751787

>>751761

They can be literature. But its far more appropriate for discussion of them to be in /co/.

One has to add all-manner of cinematic and art-theory into the mix in a proper critical appraisal of them that to put them in the ring with purely text-based texts gets annoying. Also most of them are shit thanks to the comics code and the DC/Marvel super-hero thing. They're still in a state of infancy compared to other mediums as far as I'm concerned.

>> No.751789
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751789

Slaughterhouse-Five kinda sucked

>> No.751796

i fapped to lize in the brothers karamazov

>> No.751799

>>751789

Agreed, I enjoyed it, but was very let down at the end. It had to many aspirations.

>> No.751805

>>751756

There is if you think he's the best Japanese writer ever.

Or the best living writer for that matter.

Or if he's the only translated literature you've read, like those people whose only translated literature they've read is Gabriel Garcia Marquez or possibly Roberto Bolano.

They're kind of the token foreigners at the moment.

>> No.751809

I thought House of Leaves was mostly boring, and mildly entertaining at some parts.

>> No.751810

>>751787
I hate it when faggots look down on Superhero comics, just like I hate it when the faggots on here look down on genre fiction.

Stop pretending you're above them, you cunts. They can be as engaging or deep as the author wants them to be, just like any other work.

>> No.751812

>>751805
who cares? if you like something, you like something. why overthink it

>> No.751815

I appreciate capital 'l' literature, but I liked it a lot more back when I was 13 and didn't compulsively analyze it.

>> No.751816

>>751810

When they become deep and engaging, then they will cease to be genre fiction.

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>>751816

>> No.751824

I have yet to get past the first 50 pages of 1984, its rather boring.

>> No.751826

>>751816
Fuck you.

>> No.751828

i think comic books are more enjoyable to read than regular literature.

>> No.751836

>>751826
lolol

>> No.751840

I cannot take people seriously when they say they read sci-fi or fantasy as literature. In fact I consider it just about on the same level as children's or harlequin romance novels.

>> No.751845

>>751810

Admittedly I should've made myself clearer. There are decent superhero comics with more literary aspirations, but they're decent in spite of the continuity-obsessed neckbeard faggotry corporate bullshit. And even then most of that is limited to DC.

And I've got another thing to bitch about - people who use the word symbolism too much without really having even the vaguest of notions of what symbolism actually means.

>> No.751854

>>751840

Is LotR comparable to a children's novel? To the rest of genre fiction? It's a work of linguistic genius even if the prose can be bland in some spots, not to mention philosophical undertones. Transcendent of the the genre fiction label, isn't it?

>> No.751855

"Literary" should be used as a term of classification, not approval. Every written work is "literary".

>> No.751859

>>751845
That makes more sense. I thought it was a broad dismissal of Superhero stories as a whole.

>> No.751860

>>751854

This ain't /tv/, bro.

>> No.751866

>>751860

I'm gonna pretend (and hope to God) that you're a troll, and not tell you to haul your sorry ass out of my /lit/.

>> No.751875

>>751854

It's still a fantasy novel. Lol @ philosophical elements.

>> No.751890

I am also lolling at philosophical elements.

>> No.751892

I keep saying I'll read Proust and I never do it, and my only real interest in Proust is that it's like this "mountain", nothing else.

>> No.751893

I love Bukowski. Not because I'm angry at America and want to be a famous drunk, but goddamn his writing just flows.

>> No.751894

I don't like the way everyone thinks Nabokov is saint: his works read like an extended subjunctive: 'If I were intelligent/loved by child/ respected by intellectual peers, I would be happy."

He's good, but he's not the only author you should respect.

>> No.751897

>>751893

I'd post on of those dumb pictures of a guy making an angry face, but I'm not a big enough nerd to have any of them on my PC.

Just kidding, I have a Mac. And I'm posting this from Starbucks.

Seriously though. Fuck Bukowski.

>> No.751901

I fucking hate Aristotle, he was a faggot and a shithead.

He was also wrong.

In fact, they were all wrong.

>> No.751904

>>751901

Socrates was a dick. Seriously, he would fuck me off.

>> No.751920

>>751897

>I have a Mac.
>I'm posting this from Starbucks.
>Fuck Bukowski.

You rebel, you.

>> No.751940

The popularization of 1984 has only served to pave the way for a Brave New World type society.

>> No.751952

I have trouble not assuming anons are 15 year old 'anarchists' when they talk about the virtues of dystopian novels/authors.

So I assume.

>> No.751953

>>751940 The popularization of Brave New World has only served to pave the way for a 1984 type society.

>> No.751959

>>751940
Looking forward to it. I want my drug use socially sanctioned and important life decisions made for me.

>> No.751965

>>751959
And socially sanctioned childhood doctor-playing too.

>> No.751983

Despite the total sickfuckness, i actually appreciated the post modernism and black humor of Brett Ellis's American Psycho.

>> No.751986

I wrote something for the first ZWG issue and goldensox said that he hoped I would contribute in the future issues and I said I would. I didn't. I feel like I wronged him.

>> No.751997

>>751983
Most people did, you're not special.

>> No.752000

>>751997
good to know. I thought i was the only one who could laugh at lines like "I attempted to make meatloaf of her, but the task became too frusterating and i instead spent the evening smearing her meat over the walls while chewing on strips of flesh torn from the corpse" written in perfect deadpan style ;~;

>> No.752007

I think Watchmen is tons better than most "real" books I've read.

The only book I've ever read more than once is the Communist Manifesto.

>> No.752009

Shallow and pedantic.

>> No.752053

I also skipped that whole Goldstein part of 1984.

I also hated 1984.

Naked Lunch is nothing but purposely abstract metaphors and similes.

>> No.752058

>>751615

I'm sorry, but lold. hard.

>> No.752062

I have no clue who the fuck Haruki Murakami is.

>> No.752090

Ayn Rand is a fucking good writer. Sure her plots suck, but she words her arguments beautifully, and her philosophy changed my life.

>> No.752091

Joseph Conrad was just a butthurt socialist.

>> No.752093

>>752090
I read Anthem and it was terrible. Unless her writing ability greatly improved afterwords..

>> No.752096

>>752091

Your a completely fucking moron, one of the things he absolutely detested was socialism.

>> No.752097

>>752096

complete*

>> No.752098

>>752090


>>751868
Ayn Rand

>> No.752100

The Jungle was a fictional piece of propaganda and was in no way a reflection of the Chicago meat industry.

>> No.752101

>>752100
Troll.

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>>752096
>Your a completely fucking moron
>Your a
>completely fucking moron

>> No.752106

>>752101
Uhh it was dude. Sinclair even said so.

>> No.752114

>>752104
DERP

>> No.752115

>>752104

My point still stands and I already corrected myself. So, pipe down.

>> No.752117

>>752101
"The Jungle was, first and foremost, a novel. It was intended to be a polemic, a diatribe, if you will, and not a well-researched and dispassionate documentary. Sinclair relied heavily on both his own imagination and on the hearsay of others.He did not even pretend to have actually witnessed the horrendous conditions he ascribed to Chicago packinghouses, nor to have verified them, nor to have derived them from any official records."

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>>752117
DERRRRRPPPPPPP!!!!!!

>> No.752119

>>752101
"President Theodore Roosevelt wrote of Sinclair in a letter to William Allen White in July 1906, "I have an utter contempt for him. He is hysterical, unbalanced, and untruthful. Three-fourths of the things he said were absolute falsehoods. For some of the remainder there was only a basis of truth."

It's just a novel dude. Stop pretending it's history.

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>>752115
The NIG-NOGS ARE WATCHING YOU ASSBUTT AT NIGHT!!!!

>> No.752121

>>752117
And all the same, Roosevelt's hand-picked team of investigators were able to refute only one claim made by Sinclair in his novel.

>> No.752125

"Most Americans would be surprised to know that government meat inspection did not begin in 1906. The inspectors Holbrook refers to as being mentioned in Sinclair's book were among hundreds employed by federal, state, and local governments for more than a decade. Indeed, Congressman E. D. Crumpacker of Indiana noted in testimony before the House Agriculture Committee in June 1906 that not even one of those officials "ever registered any complaint or (gave) any public information with respect to the manner of the slaughtering or preparation of meat or food products."

>> No.752128

>>752125
ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>> No.752129

>>752121
"Its investigators provided a point-by-point refutation of the worst of Sinclair's allegations, some of which they labeled as "willful and deliberate misrepresentations of fact," "atrocious exaggeration," and "not at all characteristic."

>> No.752131

sometimes I ready trashy womens "romance"
Also I write erotica and read it.

>> No.752132

I LIEK KATS TEHY TAEST KINDA LIEK CHIKIN

>> No.752134

"Some two million visitors came to tour the stockyards and packinghouses of Chicago every year. Thousands of people worked in both. "

>> No.752139

>>752128
It was a just a novel. Get over it.

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>>752131
PRON ALERT!!!!!!!
GOD IS WATCHING U

>> No.752148

assbutt dickbutt I see a pikabutt

>> No.752151

I am minoring in African American Literature....

>> No.752152

Wow did everybody Poop?

>> No.752158
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>>752151
Because there aren't enough literate African-Americans that anyone can major in it.

>> No.752171

>>752158
Why did I read that like a question?

Also I am majoring in English Literature so I can be a high school English teacher

>> No.752175

Most of Nausea was boring up until the part when the Autodidact starting coming on to the young guys in the library.

>> No.752176

>>752171
If you want to be a highschool English teacher then you ought major in long tedious fucking hours of marking the same goddamn lacklustre essay over and over again.

>> No.752187

/lit/ is a den of pretentious pseudo-intellectuals that revel in having "edgy" opinions that they need to get off their chest.

>> No.752190

>>752187

Such as this one.

>> No.752191

>>752190

I would have preferred a simple NO U

>> No.752207

I love Kurt Vonnegut. He was the greatest author of that generation.

>> No.752225

>>751904

Early Socrates was awesome
It was Plato's own Socrates who was retarded
and Aristotle who's outdated science is totally irrelevant today

>> No.752231

There's a lot of things to criticize about his writing, but I fucking shake with rage whenever people spout bullshit criticisms about Joyce without knowing what they're talking about.
I never say anything because it would be like calling people out on pretending to sing along with out knowing all of the words

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752232

You're all posting in a troll thread.

>> No.752235

>>752225
I'm pretty sure that once you take away socrates as described by plato there's basically no socrates left

>> No.752241

Until the 18th century philosophy was basically mysticism, christianity and christian mysticism.

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I read, ravenously devoured, and enjoyed the Twilight series. Twice.

>> No.752244

>>751573

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>> No.752250

>>752231

You need to. People need to be cut down when they're being stupid. Its the only way they learn.

>> No.752288

>>752242
i too, am guilty of this sin.
However, in my defense, i did that BEFORE anyone had heard of the books/made a shitty movie with ugly people in it.

>> No.752299

All of the build up about Joyce has made me afraid to read him. Like it's some fucking marathon. Shit was so NOT cash, bro.

>> No.752327

>>752288
>However, in my defense, i did that BEFORE anyone had heard of the books/made a shitty movie with ugly people in it.

Are you pulling hipster shit with . . . . Twilight?

Like, you liked it before it became mainstream?

That's fucking bold. And by bold I mean terrible, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Also, go Stosur!

>> No.752331

>>752327
Not trying to pull hipster. Not even saying it was cool. Just saying that I was horribly unaware of what was to come, and passed it off as a few well done romance novels.
Ew, not hipster. Twilights just about the only thing ive ever gotten to before a craze started.

>> No.752346

Charles Dickens is a pulp writer who uses sentimentality as a crutch and is still remembered because low I.Q. school teachers need obvious and uncomplicated literature so they don't feel dumb when teaching English classes.

>> No.752357

passed it off as a few well done romance novels.

>> No.752362

The Vignette at the end of The Bell Jar was way better than the entire book.

>> No.752366

Borges had no characters.

>> No.752368

Gargantua and Pantagruel > Confederacy of Dunces. Anyone who disagrees hasn't read the former.

>> No.752421

I really really like this board.

>> No.752459

Stream of consciousness is unintelligible garbage.

>> No.752464

>>751586
Me too

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>> No.752479

The Catcher in the Rye is one of my favourite books

>> No.752484

I get scared of long books

>> No.752485

I read Burroughs just to fap to all the sick shit.

>> No.752495

>>752485
Is it worth it? Exactly how 'sick' is it?
You've peaked my interest.

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>>751574

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>> No.752508

>>752331
if you liked twilight before the hype and peer pressure
before the undeniable desire to conform that works on the minds of teenage girls and
fools them into liking shit that's terrible that just
makes you more retarded

>> No.752552

i listen to lady gaga on the radio whenever i am driving alone.

i act like i hate her music in front of my gf and friends, but she actually makes some really catchy songs.

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I think THE PENIS WAS is overrated trash for deluded, heart fallen teenage girls who have a preposterously idealistic conception of "true love".

>> No.752573

I'm not really a hard left socialist, but I pretend to be one on 4chan because it feels liberating to be an extremist.

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>>752557

>> No.752579

>>752557

I think the continual viral marketing for some shitty story you've constructed out of your arse is kind of annoying myself.

>> No.752584

>>752579
our communal asses, bro.

>> No.752603

>>752235

Uh yeah but he describes him differently in the early works (Which led to the widespread understanding that the early were more or less the real Socrates and the later were Plato himself using Socrates' name)

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752611

>>751796
Oh god, I did too. never thought id meet another one who did

>>751840
You are my new friend. anytime i voice that opinion on here it results in a shitstorm of pent up virgin aggression

>>751952
I also wish /lit/ wasn't full of high school kids who think that are 'well read' because they have a copy of eragon

>> No.752612

Sometimes i don't know if i like the stuff i like because i consider them good, or if it's because of someone else's opinion.

>> No.752650

i HATE Huck Finn, and all you Twain fags make me rage. he wasn't good. he wrote long boring point less shit. and if he is the best 'classic American literature' has to offer. then classic American lit sucks

>> No.752666

>>752650

Twain was an excellent essayist and letter writer. Huck Finn is terrible, yeah.

>> No.752679

I got boner lot of times, while reading American Psycho.

>> No.752688

I got boner lot of times, while reading Lolita.

>> No.752787

Hemmigway spoke to his generation but has become irrelevant to every generation after.

>> No.752819

>>751986
>>751986
>>751986

I wrote something for the second issue... Havent been back to the IRC or anything since then.

I, too, feel like i betrayed those guys.

>> No.752823

I cried at the end of Grapes of Wrath.

>> No.752828

>>752679
OMG! I jerked off to that book like, a dozen times!!!

Loved the toothpaste fisting flashback. Hard as diamonds.

>> No.752848

>>752819
those guys change stories arounf without permission
fuck those guys
might want to reread your entries

>> No.752855

my opinions are the best.

there. i said it. i've known it to be true for a long time and kept it to myself. feels good to get it off my chest.

>> No.752857
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Glass Bead Game greatest novel ever. Anyone who disagrees did not read it.

>> No.752861

>>751661

The same thing happened to me with A Confederacy of Dunces.

>> No.752863

>>752857
the only hesse work translated into english i haven't read. lol maybe i will.

>> No.752869

>>752861
that happened to me too but at the same time that's why the story is interesting. i think everyone can relate to ignatius at least a little. we're all ego-driven monsters who manipulate our philosophy to cater to our impulses. what seperates assholes from others are those who at least TRY to control this and have some sense of conviction. no one is perfect though.

>> No.752876

>>752869
Wow me too when I read the Bible.

>> No.752878

>>752876
lol'd but felt bad about it.

good response, bro.

>> No.752941

Though I like reading his books, I hate Martin Amis because he hates America.

>> No.752961

SHAKESPEARE NOW SUCKS

HIS SHIT WAS REVOLUTIONARY FOR THE TIME, BUT NOW HIS THEMES HAVE BEEN SO OVERUSED THAT READING HIS STORIES ARE LESS FUN THAN FINGERING MY ASSHOLE WITH A BOX-CUTTER

>> No.752964

>>752611
>desperately wanting to suck someone's cock
>doesn't care whose

>> No.752967

Kurt Vonnegut isn't a good writer.

>> No.752971

>>752941
Must be a whole lot of writers, artists, philosophers, actors, musicians, politicians, etc. out there whom you hate.

>> No.752974

Tao Lin is pretty funny and a talented writer

>> No.752977

this board is fucking slow and it makes me rage

>> No.752982

>>752971

Only the ones who don't do more than scratch the surface of American society before passing judgment on it.

>> No.752986

>>752977
It's slower than /ck/ and /an/. Which makes me lol and sad at the same time...

>> No.752989

>>752977
I'm kind of glad it's slow.
On other boards your thread might get buried fast, but here I can probably still find threads from days ago.

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>>751577
>pulp sci-fi writer
And nobody mentions Kilgore Trout.

>> No.752992

>>752989
Ok maybe just from yesterday.

>> No.753008

>>752990
Shiittt read cat's cradle in 3rd grade.

>> No.753012

Love is a word we give for the desire to fornicate so we seem more refined than farm animals

>> No.753013

>>753008
this is an overrated book.

>> No.753017

>>753012

I think the fact that we use "love" to describe objects we're very fond of, as well as people we would like to fuck, is very interesting considering our materialistic society.

>> No.753030

>>752207
Agreed.

>> No.753038

>>753017
>>753012
i love my family but i don't LOVE my family.

>> No.753039

>>753038

I love my family.

>> No.753048

>>753039
sexually?

>> No.753057

I hide behind pseudo-intellectual gibberish. Although I do tend to have some witticism and spark left in me, I fear that my egoism will forever conceal my true self.

>> No.753081

>>753057
u new to 4chan, bro?

>> No.753189

>>753012

>> No.753194

>>753048

You heard me.

>> No.753224

i'm so tired of nerds saying "omgzzz it makes me rage"

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>>753224
Then GTFO.
It's partially what the thread is meant for.

>> No.753245

>>753229
lol "GTFO DIAF"

>> No.753272

I would fuck Truman Capote if he were alive and in his 30s.

>> No.753275

Jane Eyre is fucking garbage.

>> No.753282

>>753194
lol

>> No.753283

I use things I've read off of 4chan in my stories and people usually say something along the lines that it's a great caricature of the attitude of modern male impotency and inward aggression manifested in elitism. Thanks guys.

>> No.753285

Vonnegut's memoir was better than most of his fiction

>> No.753293

I suspect most of /lit/ is only atheist because it's trendy.

>> No.753296

i fapped to molly millions in neuromancer

>> No.753298

I haven't finished a Steven King book in five years.

>> No.753299

>>753293
i suspect most christians are only that way to appear more "salt-of-the-earth"

>> No.753304

>>753299
I suspect your rump aches quite a bit.

>> No.753306

I laughed harder reading Naked Lunch than I have at any TV show.

>> No.753313

Shakespeare was a good writer and a terrible storyteller.

>> No.753321

I am much too shallow to 'get' quite some books that get discussed on here quite regularly.

>> No.753365

The Penis Was is the greatest story ever told

>> No.753364 [DELETED] 

i enjoyed reading twilight more than fight club

>> No.753370

I don't like RAH. I found the morals of Starship Troopers to be fucked up, and I got bored with Stranger In a Strange land after the first 30 pages.

>> No.753375

I fucking hate Harold Bloom.

>> No.753380

Was assigned in High School: Of Mice and Men, The Great Gatsby, Catcher in the Rye, A Separate Peace, Lord of the Flies.

Didn't read more than four pages of: Of Mice and Men, The Great Gatsby, Catcher in the Rye, A Separate Peace.

Though I'm sure I would have better understood all the fuss if I had actually read them, I don't feel particularly disadvantaged.

Also - was hardcore hooked by Lord of the Flies, and freaking fell in love with it.

>> No.753442

>>752961

Fucking agreed. I get that he was good back then, and that he stared off this capital "L" literature shit, but that doesn't mean that in contemporary times he's relatively any good.

Much of Othello just frustrated me because it was cliches. "Alabaster skin" and such. :P

>> No.753447

Tolstoy makes me sick. I gave up around 250 pages into Anna Karenina.

>> No.753450

Catcher in the Rye is a mediocre novel.

>> No.753453

>>753442 and that he stared off this capital "L" literature shit

No he didn't.

>> No.753462

Most successful writers of the 19th century were overrated hacks in it for the cash.

>> No.753464

I hate the idea that a book has to be some sort of puzzle in order to be good. Symbolism and such for good books is usually something that a good reader can get an intuitive sense of the purpose of, even if they cannot readily articulate it. Related to this, it annoys the shit out of me when people think that high school classes overanalyze the Scarlet Letter. I fucking hate the Scarlet Letter, but so many of the symbols are so fucking blatant and integral to the book that you'd have to be fucking blind to miss them

I don't really give a shit if the Lord of the Rings isn't Literature, it's incredibly entertaining to be swept up in the adventures and mysticism of Tolkien's world. Dismissing entertainment as escapism is fucking retarded, just because you're reading doesn't mean the book has to be giving a blowjob to your philosophical mind all the time in order for a book to not be the equivalent of a b-movie.

Even though I'm enjoying the book, I decided to read War and Peace to seem more sophisticated

In retrospect, the only books I've ever disliked have been ones I had to read for school (just a few though, such as The Awakening)

>> No.753476

99% of the time, anyone who says they hate Joyce either hasn't read him or hasn't invested the time and thought necessary to understand him.

>> No.753481

Most "highbrow" literature is just a bunch of academic circle jerking, and is no more thought-provoking or engaging than pulpy genre fiction.

>> No.753486

All authors and artists are just trying to make a living. Everybody is motivated by money at some foundational level.

>> No.753489

Whoever wrote Where The Red Fern Grows needs to recieve intense emotional damage JUST TO KNOW HOW IT FEELS.

>> No.753501

Faulkner did stream of consciousness better that Joyce but won't ever be as loved by english majors because he wrote stories with decent plots that are readable.

>> No.753505

I fell asleep while reading Pale Fire.

Chair was too comfy.

>> No.753513

Push is an embarrassment to literature, and Sapphire should feel like a bitch for trivialising sexual abuse with her shitty book.

>> No.753514

Reading Graham Greene, Shusaku Endo, and Flannery O'Connor made me question my doubt. I am now a practicing Roman Catholic. I was raised in a secular Jewish household btw.

>> No.753515

also, this >>753293

>> No.753521

People should just not give any sort of shit about the religious beliefs of others at all

>> No.753531

>>753489

Bawled for hours!

>> No.753536

I think modern art and architecture is shit. Brutalism only works for skyscrapers, anything else it looks awful. The Guggenheim Museum is an eyesore.

>> No.753549

Bob Dylan's most "poetic" lyrics don't mean a thing.

Not a thing.

>> No.753553

Catcher in the Rye was shit, always was shit, and will never be anything but shit. It was a book with absolutely no point and J.D. Salinger is lawling in his grave because he KNEW he wrote shit.

>> No.753554

John Updike's prose is tedious.

>> No.753561

>>753549

inb4 2deep4U

>> No.753562

I enjoyed reading the book of Psalms.

>> No.753566

I listen to Josh Groban and Chant music i borrowed from my mom

>> No.753568

>>753562

Now try Leviticus.

>> No.753572

In highschool I taught myself the Cyrilic alphabet and pretended to know Russian when I really didn't.

>> No.753578

>>753562

Proverbs is good too
Proverbs 18:2 "The fool takes no delight in understanding, but rather in displaying what he thinks."

>> No.753582

>>753549

They're not meaningless it's just that one fourth of the lyrics are meaningful and the rest is either imagery, incoherent namedropping, or complete nonsense

>> No.753594

In Junior High I thought Philip K Dick was some trippy shit and deep.

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I absolutely hate it when I see stupid hipster kids or pretentious faggots say their favorites books are The Diary of Che or the Communist Manifesto or The Capital when they wouldn't obviously rather live in a country ridden by mediocrity and no sense of achievement.

I ahte it when feminazis bitch about female writers not being considered important just because they're female and not because they're good.

I hate how the erotic genre has become shit due to the great amount of popcorn-tier shit and self inserts of "erotic" novels.

I hate Nicholas Sparks with all my might and wish he died and slow and painful death.

>> No.753598

>>753596

The Che, Mao tshirts are worse.

>> No.753605

>>753596
>they wouldn't obviously rather live in a country ridden by mediocrity and no sense of achievement.
right, which is why they want a revolution

>> No.753608

I don't like Dostoyevsky. I know how important writer he was and all that shit but I just don't like his writing.

>> No.753615

>>753598
I've seen The Che lipbalm products. The irony.

Also, I forgot to add, I hate how people discriminate against authors just because they have weird fetishes or just differents tastes and interests to what society proclaims to be acceptable.

Like how Nietzche is dissed just because he was infatuated with his sister or how James Joyce loved scat.

Yeah, enjoying sex is bad, kids!!

>> No.753617

>>751616

Yeah, and what the fuck did he embrace to death? Communism/Stalinism. I'll take Existentialism.

>> No.753622

>>753615
noone does this, noone really cares.

>> No.753624

I don't know of anyone who thinks less of James Joyce as an author for having such hilarious sex letters

>> No.753627

>>753605
The only reason why they want a revolution is because they have that idea burned in their heads that everything's free but don't know at what cost. It's just a bunch of people envious of what other people did achieve with hard work and sweat. Yes, there is corruption in capitalism, but corruption exists everywhere.

And even if they want to live in a country plagued with mediocrity as the social standard, just fucking move out. There's more than enough room in communist countries with all the people trying and dying to escape from them.

>> No.753633

>>751816

AMEN

>> No.753638

>>753627
you are making crass generalizations and betraying the fact that you only watch these people through your t.v. screen filtered through a rhetorical news media amirite? THIS is a country plagued by mediocrity and no sense of acheivement. Do you take any notice of the GREAT culture of capitalism? jersey shore, motherfucker.

>> No.753639

>>753622
Come to Latin America and see if you're able to buy antyhing other than New York Bestsellers approved by the soccer moms team league. Why do you think most of the Latinos are so close minded? They do this everyday and with everything. Some don't even like to enjoy classical music because Mozart was scat, Beethoven had anger issues, Tchaikovsky was gay.

MOTHER FUCKING TCHAIKOVSKY

>> No.753640

>>751845
>>people who use the word symbolism too much without having the vaguest notion about what it really means

oh, you mean like the people who use the word pretentious the same way?

>> No.753643

>>753639
wow, i really had no idea. that does suck. why is it like this?

>> No.753649

>>753638
>>753638
No, I say this because I live in a country full of people that think like this. Most people don't want to work because they want everything free.

>> No.753652

Shutter Island is one of my favorite books of the decade.

>> No.753656

>>753643

Catholicism

>> No.753684

>>753643
Religion. First Catholicism. Now it's worse because of the sudden boom of Evangelic churches rising up in every direction. It's even worse now, with all the mentality that if it's not God-related, it's the devil. My mother is proof of this. She doesn't even listen to decent pop music because "every voice that's not singing to God, is singing to the Devil".

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>>753649
That is a direct result of the spectacle of capitalism which claims that obtaining objects is the highest acheivement possible. You probably are surrounded by teenagers as confused and ill-defined as yourself, clinging to any defining ideal. There is no sense of acheivement because the allure of consumer culture is diminishing. The kids who ''want everything for free'' have internalized the very obvious decline of our economic system, anticipating its crash. They realize they will be the generation who will make much less than the previous one, and that the lie of the american dream is a cruel one. I'm not saying socialism is the answer, ideology is a diversion at best.

>> No.753694

>>753684
wow. it's really strange, because, i live in the southern united states which gets depicted as a pseudo theocracy and the conditions aren't nearly as bad.

>> No.753727

>>753686
I'm not defending capitalism, but living in a society where no sense of achievement (and I mean personal, not economical) means you're willing to let go of the little possibilities you have of actually being yourself in exchange of comfort.

When that happens, you have no interest in anything else. Just like how rich kids have had everything since birth and then don't realize the value of everything important, and I'm not talking about materialism.

Literature? Gone. Quality Music? Gone. Morals? We already live in comfort. Education? Why? We already have everything else. The US maybe that already, but look at Europe and Asia? Do you see them going back?

Gotta go now.

>> No.753741

>>753727
I agree with you actually, I just don't see why you would depict a socialist country as being this way without realizing that the US is a perfect example, and it is only natural for young people to venerate what they see as revolutionary because they don't really know what they want, they just want it to be different.

>> No.753755

>>753741
Because I lived in one.

>> No.753759

>>753686
>which claims that obtaining objects is the highest acheivement possible.

It is.

>> No.753771

>>751742
>>751747
I agree with everything this Anon said.

Which makes me sad because that's probably how /lit/ will always be.

>> No.754404

I fapped to the penultimate chapter of Harry Potter

>> No.754406

I never finish books; I always stop reading when I get to the last chapter because I like to guess my own endings. Goddammit.

>> No.754475

I think /lit/ is the worst board for giving it's tripfags more credibility, and legitimizing them by debating their crackpot theories. At least on /a/ or /v/ they call a fag a fag.

>> No.754480

I am a sad, strange little man and have no one's pity.

>> No.754516

>>754480

I pity you. Have fun with that, if that's a good thing.

>> No.754519

Things Fall Apart is an over rated book.

>> No.754531

I've fapped to the schemas in my mind concerning:
Dori Duz in Catch-22
Dolores Haze when she announced her and her friend took turns

>> No.754539

J.R.R. Tolkein ruined fantasy forever.
It can no longer be salvaged.

>> No.754547

i love dan brown's novels

>> No.754581

I read The Host and really liked it...

>> No.754585

>>754581

how was it? i want to read that one just becasue it says 'sci-fi' we'll see that

>> No.754588

>>754585

I haven't read the Twilight books or the movies but I really liked it. It's mostly about the parasite coming to terms that her host's self has influenced her own ways of thinking to the point where she feels human.

>> No.754591

>>754588

ok so there's no girlish stuff here?

>> No.754600

>>754588
and then "I love this boy" "I love this boy instead" "I want to do this boy" "No, but I love him, not you" "Lol I'll flirt with him anyway tee hee" "OMG BITCH" "Its ok, I actually love this boy" and then *HAPPY ENDING*

Good concept. Freakin retarded the way it was written. I read it and wanted to eat my face off.

But yeah, read it anyway because it is a good concept.

>> No.754602

>>754591

Quite a bit but it's not over the top at least I didn't think so. The parasite falls in love with her host's boyfriend and loves her little brother as if it was her own little brother, though they feel more like his mom than sister. There's jealousy between the host and parasite, etc.. Minor love square towards the end.

>> No.754608

>>754600

mmm, I assumed the parasite having issues deciding who she liked was the result of her host's memory imprinting so I didn't see it as her being indecisive as much as genuinely confused.

>> No.754626

>>754602

Thanks pal