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8322319 No.8322319 [Reply] [Original]

Why is he so comfy? What is he thinking about?

>> No.8322329

He is thinking about how he made Chomsky mad by memeing

>> No.8322332

more like what is he talking about tbqhwyf

>> No.8322336

>>8322319
How "pure ideology" is basically a shitty rebranding of "spooks"

>> No.8322338

>>8322336
woah...

>> No.8322346

>>8322336
Kind of but not really.

>> No.8322350

>>8322319
>What is he thinking about?
The mad cash he is making by being basically a youtuber.
His house isnt that comfy tho, is just the camera

>> No.8322353

>>8322336
>>8322346

Not really at all. He says pure ideology to stress the ideological content of something that is assumed to be empty of that content by the postideological perspective he opposes.

>> No.8322366

>>8322353
Well, looks like we've got ourselves a reader!

>> No.8322371

>>8322319
Comfy? Can't you see how terrified the poor guy is?

>> No.8322378

>>8322366
hes right tho

>> No.8322385

>>8322378
i know tho

>> No.8322418

>>8322319
>ahh yeshh ze capitalism ish at its zeeneth. It vill soon become a total postcapitalist contradiction. Zen all ze world vill enter into a vishful think phase, in vich it projects its subcoscious onto its medias.

>> No.8322446

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5qvHNO1Ixw
> 50 seconds in
> If you have an authoritarian father who tells you obey, work, you will resist him and you will develop normally. If you have a father who tells you enjoy, blah blah, this will sabotage you will be impotent, so on *whipes nose*

Holy shit i think this is exactly what happened to me, i think hes totally right. where can i read more about this specific topic?

>> No.8322460

>>8322446
>Bartleby shirt

BASED
A
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E
D

>> No.8322461

Why does he have a picture of Stalin on his wall?

>> No.8322465

>>8322461
because he is "le true gommunist :D"

>> No.8322478

>>8322446
Is that nose wiping a tick? He can't fucking stop

>> No.8322481

>>8322461
He's using it to trigger people who don't know shit about him.

>> No.8322494

>>8322481
Well said, comrade.

>> No.8322497

>>8322336
This is the type of shit you say when 4chan is where you get all your 'theory' from.

>> No.8322759

>>8322446
Anon, your father isn't to blame for your betaness. Nor are women to blame, society, Chads, atheism, feminism, whatever.

You are to blame.

>> No.8322776

>>8322336
Spooks and not spooks are both pure ideology.

>> No.8322981

>>8322319
His waifu's too fat to fit in that bed.

>> No.8323019

>>8322319
Thingken about the central square a café that miraculously worked through this emergency, how they had wonderful strawberry cakes, and he was sitting there eating strawberry cakes and watching Russian tanks against demonstrators and how it was perfect.

>> No.8323033

>>8322759
>the people are fully responsible for their own destiny meme

This is how American late capitalism justifies itself psychologically in the minds of its subjects to be honest.

>> No.8323049

>>8322759
t. bourgeoisie

>> No.8323091

>>8323033
>>8323049
Nothing is more beta than blaming everyone else for your own betaness.

>> No.8323101

>>8323091
And nothing is more illustrative of someone born and raised in a 1st world country with well-off parents, than someone who blames everyone who fails by personal defects alone.

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>>8323101
Uh huh, tell me about your tough upbringing, Anon. Did your mama not tuck you in every night?

>> No.8323137

>>8323091
>>8322759
LMAO
M
A
O

What about the cases where, bear with me, external factors actually are to blame? Correctly identifying them is a badge of inferiority which proves you deserve both your condition and how you are treated as a result? What about PTSD-stricken veterans? Kids raised by narcissists? Self-awareness is a fault and not a virtue?

Usual denialist neoliberal garbage. The world, its material organization and the actions of all individuals after their own mispercieved self-interest are totally blameless. The are no problems beyond what you create for yourself. Pay no attention to the jew behind the curtain.

>> No.8323141

>>8323091
There is something more beta, and that is assigning all the blame to yourself like a good little self-deprecating scapegoat while allowing people to shit all over you because it's all your own fault and you deserve it.

On the other hand it's can also be a form of grandiose delusion, since it requires you to think you're an unmoved mover self-controlling agent outside of causality spawning your own circumstances like an omnipotent god. Self-responsibility is a ridiculous meme that requires tremendous amounts of denial and cognitive dissonance.

>> No.8323143

>>8323137
Don't feed the troll.

>> No.8323145

>>8323112
Bulverism.

>> No.8323150

>>8323143
There are plenty of self-helpy Americans that actually think that way though.

The Secret isn't a best-seller without reason.

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>>8323143
>i don't agree with it, so it must be a troll

>>8323137
Not saying noone ever suffers from external factors. I'm saying betas on 4chan aren't victims for being virgins and losers. You could take better care of your hygiene and fitness, you could be nicer (no you're not actually nice guys), become more cultured, work/study harder, etc etc etc. Noone's born a beta. You're beta because you're LAZY. And you're making yourself an unpleasant person.

>>8323150
Lol not a filthy American. Americans are rather the ones who have this victim cardigan on and act like manchildren.

>> No.8323208

>>8322759
***** Unless you are black or a Muslim or a woman, then you are not to blame

>> No.8323213

>>8323164
>You could take better care of your hygiene and fitness, you could be nicer (no you're not actually nice guys), become more cultured, work/study harder, etc etc etc. Noone's born a beta. You're beta because you're LAZY. And you're making yourself an unpleasant person.
Laziness is a character trait, not a free choice. People's characters are determined by biological and environmental circumstance. People aren't arbitrarily and voluntarily less good at things than they could be, it would make no sense for them to be.

If you are less lazy than someone, or more volatile and impatient, or more depressed and less happy, or prettier or more intelligent, it's not because you choose to be so. Nobody in his right mind would choose to sabotage himself in such a way.

There is no such thing as potentiality here. At any given moment, a person does all he can. If he could have done something more to his own benefit he obviously would have.

You're like someone looking at someone dangling from a cliff scared for his life and, falling to his death when he's no longer able to hold on, comments "he should have held on for longer!". Of course he should have, and he would have, if he could. The fact that he didn't do so despite himself is enough proof that he couldn't. The same goes for all sorts of self-sabotage.

>> No.8323240

>>8323213
btfo

>> No.8323257

>>8323213
Lol you people aren't self-sabotaging, you're comfy as fuck. Parasiting of your mothers, masturbating to chinese cartoons, NEET-ing all day,chatting all day with your internet bros, shitposting... You're not victims. You complain, but that's because it's SO comfy to complain.

>> No.8323297

This thread became shit real quick. The question is what we should do with shit. Which toilet design are we going to use? The French one and quickly liquidate shit, German one to reflect on shit or the British one and let shit float in a liberal kind of way?

>> No.8323298

>>8323257
So your complaint is that people like to complain?

That's your whole issue?

Why do you like to complain about this?

>> No.8323327

>>8323297
We must break through these claustrophobically rigid categories of toilets through the magic of dialectical thinking!

>> No.8323335

>>8323297
How would Zizek explain the Indians shitting in the streets?

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8323353

>>8323257
Yes, people are at all times acting to their desires to the best of their ability.

Which is why it makes no sense to complain about their behaviour. Unless of course for the fact that complaining about other people's insincere complaints is what you want to do more than anything else right now.

Which is the case.

>> No.8323358

>>8323335
It's kind of like French toilets. No need to shit in the toilet and then throw it out. If you have no sewage, don't complicate the process. Just shit on the streets.

I wonder if he'd connect this to Gandhi somehow.

>> No.8323366

>>8323335
"'Postcolonial"' raecists going back to tradizional ways instet of dialectically reclaiming modernity for ze untouchables ze children prostitutes and zo on. All while being on ze payroll of ze wite south afrikans naturally.

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>>8323358
>If you have no sewage

Are you sure that's the whole story?

>We’ve made public toilets but people still don’t use them,” said Anil Prajapati, chairman of the Gujarat Sanitation Development Organisation. Some of these people fear that there are witches inside or that their children will be kidnapped.

>> No.8323382

>>8322336
This post is a clear case of ideology.

>> No.8323407

>>8322494
>>8322461
1m49s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS_Lzo4S8lA

>> No.8323437

>>8323164
lmao, I never tried in high school and was really unmotivated, but I still managed to get 90s on all my tests; homework was always the thing that hurt may grade the most.

>>8323213
I completely disagree with this. I can tell you from my experience I was sabotaging myself, not for the sake of it, but because it was easy. I didn't care enough to put any effort into things because just felt like none of it mattered.
Going home and smoking weed or watching youtube videos was way more fun than doing school work. Yeah I was depressed and didn't have friends but it was still really my fault deep down.

The depression was a real thing that I later got help for but the reason I become depressed in the first place was because of things I did. Also people who are depressed need to seek out help. There is a kind of feeling you have where you don't really want help and would rather just die but people have to fight it to get better.

In college you need to actually try and I'm able to do that. I'm still the same person but I realize that the way I was in high school was my own fault and accepting that was the only way I was able to fix it.

>> No.8323477

>>8323407
>I hate life

>> No.8323496

>>8323381
It's kind of like giving your elders a brand new phone I guess.

But our story doesn't change much.

Instead of falling for all that European bullshit idea of toilets immediately, they have a reaction to them and are free as long as they shit on the streets. I fully support street-shitting in India. -Zlazloj Zlizlek

>> No.8323527

>>8323407
>socks and sandals
classic

>> No.8323541

>>8323477
should i copy that as a greeting phrase or will it make me look fedora?

>> No.8323544

>>8323541
do it

>> No.8323559

>>8322759
This has its truth but not totally: your parents obviously have a pivotal influence on your identity and ego formation, but once you are aware of that, then it's your responsibility to deal with it.

>> No.8323573

>>8323437
>I completely disagree with this. I can tell you from my experience I was sabotaging myself, not for the sake of it, but because it was easy. I didn't care enough to put any effort into things because just felt like none of it mattered. Going home and smoking weed or watching youtube videos was way more fun than doing school work. Yeah I was depressed and didn't have friends but it was still really my fault deep down.
Either you were not really willing or not really able. In the second case it is not your fault since you simply did not possess what it took to fix the situation, and in the first case it is not your problem since you simple did not really desire to fix the situation.

It is either not your fault or not your problem.

>The depression was a real thing that I later got help for but the reason I become depressed in the first place was because of things I did. Also people who are depressed need to seek out help. There is a kind of feeling you have where you don't really want help and would rather just die but people have to fight it to get better. In college you need to actually try and I'm able to do that. I'm still the same person but I realize that the way I was in high school was my own fault and accepting that was the only way I was able to fix it.
I would say the belief that something is one's own fault does aid a person while still being fundamentally untrue. It's one of those "untruths as a condition of life" as Freddy phrased it. You didn't realise it was your fault, you deceived yourself into thinking it was in order to muster up the courage to persevere. The horrors of life are inflicted upon us with no fault of our own, but acknowledging this makes it hard to go on living, so we adhere to certain beliefs as coping mechanisms regardless of how true they are.

Even if this belief seem to make it harder on ourselves, this hardening paradoxically makes the burden of existence easier to bear since you do not have to acknowledge the lack of justice of it all. It's a self-chastising variety of the just world fallacy, one of the lies we tell ourselves to get through the day and make life somewhat acceptable. It stems from an unwillingness to acknowledge that life isn't fair.

>> No.8323634

>>8322446
wtf i love zizek now

>> No.8323661

>>8322446
>develop normally
>normally
Did he just pure himself?

>> No.8323670

>>8322319
does this pic come in life size?

>> No.8323704

>>8323670
you mean the stalin pic? ya i have a real big one i got on ebay

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>> No.8323724

>>8323704
haha you're so dangerous and cool and funny
i like dangerous guys

but no I meant the zizek pic

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>> No.8323734

>>8323728
>not pure ideological sleeps

>> No.8323740

>>8323728
sleep tight Zizek

>> No.8323782

>>8323734
>not 'non-ideological sleeps'

>> No.8323787

It seems like he tries so hard to have an "iconic" picture taken of him. Him in the shower, him in bed. What's up with that?

>> No.8323791

>>8322336
> implying stirner didn't just get his spooks idea from Socrates going around telling people none of what they know is true

>> No.8323793

>>8323353
>Yes, people are at all times acting to their desires to the best of their ability.
Do you have any proof for this? I mean, in a way, sure it is true, but it is problematic when you remove any sort of responsibility (for the desires) from the people and equate desire with immediate wants and needs. You also refuse to accept that people can hold paradoxical views, wants, needs and opinions at the same time, leaving the deciding factor to be "which one is acted out?" Heck, people can even lie to themselves!

>> No.8323804

>>8323793
Also; what of will? I may have a will to lose weight but a desire to drink 8 beers and eat a pizza. I may resist that desire; does this make it a non-desire?

>> No.8323837

>lmao no guys having a shitty dad or other external bullshit while growing up obviously will not fuck you up just be übermensch at the age of 8 xP

>> No.8323840

>he will never be the president of your country
why live

>> No.8323866

>>8323840
Don't count him out just yet. He's playing the long game.

>> No.8323874

>>8323793
An addition to this;
Assuming that even some sort of free will exists - that is, we can choose to not act on a desire sometimes at the very least or can affect what those desires are in the long term - it all starts to pile up and be pretty important, though not the most important factor (indeed we are very much shaped by our genes and our environment).

As, obviously, what we do or think today will affect what we are (able or willing to do) tomorrow. We don't need a huge amount of freedom, just some, yet it still means that there is a lot of responsibility on the free individual. Even if most of the time we'll be acting on some sort of "gut feeling of desire", some amount of free will already allows us to shape what that desire and our reaction to it will be.

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>>8322319
about how to exterminate pic related
he will save us

>> No.8323886

>>8323877
what's with all those heavily tattooed guys

>> No.8323893

Do you guys think Zizek will ever visit us? or /his/?
If /mu/ got Deakin from AnCo to post, and /tv/ got their own bane-porno; we should get some fun too.

>> No.8323894

>>8323407
>marxist intellectual

That's an oxymoron.

>> No.8323895

>>8323886
Homosexuals, criminals?

>> No.8323898

>>8323886
who knows

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>>8323894
see pic
>>8323895
thats a redundancy

>> No.8323918

>>8323866
i live in, neo-liberalism: the country, so i dont think is ever gonna happen
thanks for the (You) and the good vibes

>> No.8324049

i miss this thread

>> No.8324079

>>8323893
Pynchon posted here.

>> No.8324086

>>8323893
Zizek almost certainly has posted here.

>>8324079
At least he gave some insight into some of the deeper levels of his books.

>> No.8324087

>>8322319

Is that Stalin above his bed?
Fucking dropped

>> No.8324094

>>8324087
Pleb.

>> No.8324115

>>8324079
Proof?
>>8324086
Proof?

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8324119

>>8324087
cuck

>> No.8324120

>>8324087
problematic opinion

>> No.8324125

>>8324079
Who cares about that memer
We are talkin real men here, kid

>> No.8324126

>>8322329
Chomsky will only be known for linguistics. His dabble in philosophy is/has been futile.

(Real talk tho, despite constantly changing his theories in linguistics over the years, Chomsky is/always was still really incisive and insightful)

>> No.8324137

>>8324115
Proof?

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>>8324137

>> No.8324161

>>8324115
>>>/sci/
Le proof meme

>> No.8324180

>>8322446
what he said about happiness has been standard Christian thought for a long time, and acknowledged by everyone with half a brain

Just off the top of my head, Orwell said something very similar:
>Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness.

This is not, of course, to say that it's not worth insisting on again and again.

>> No.8324197

>>8322319
How he will kill himself tonight.

>> No.8324198

>>8322319
>What is he thinking about?
Stalin and swingers' parties

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>>8322336
>not knowing that >muh pure ideology is an ideology
the ego has just been spooked!

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8324223

>07/26/2016
>zizek still isnt the king of the world

>> No.8324406

>>8323573
But isn't deceiving yourself into thinking it is your fault a choice you make, and by doing so you paradoxically prove that it was a choice all along?
If you believe it is your fault and then fix it with that knowledge didn't that mean you could have deceived yourself earlier and fixed your life then too? So isn't the deception not a deception at all in a sense because it would only be a deception to someone who doesn't believe it?

I'm curious about your views on this because I liked everything else you said.

>> No.8324444

>>8323728
sleep tight Zizek

>> No.8324468

>>8323728
sleep tight Zizek

>tfw even as I sleep ideology has me in its grasp

>> No.8324469

>>8323728
Sleep tight Žižek