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8580338 No.8580338 [Reply] [Original]

>tfw young joyce was a solid 9/10 qt

Is it possible to be a great artist without being good looking? How are good looks always correlated with artistic superiority?

>> No.8580349

>>8580338
Young Joyce couldn't get published for the life of him.

>> No.8580352

>tfw James found love with Nora, but we will never know if Stephen found it.

>> No.8580364

>>8580338
Great artists care about their personal appearance.

>> No.8580367

>>8580338
Because good looking people are also more likely to be intelligent

>> No.8580374

>>8580338
Nah, Sarte was very much a ladies man despite him saying that he was an extremely ugly looking person

>> No.8580574

Joyce was fucking handsome his whole life. That eyepatch and hair. Gives me a hard on 2bh

>> No.8580579

>>8580574
The eyepatch was just for one picture you know.

>> No.8580589

>>8580579
Is that relevant somehow you little dog fucker?

>> No.8580594

>>8580589
I-I'm sorry...

>> No.8580710
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>> No.8580715

>>8580710
damn jelly

>> No.8580832

>>8580349
And Ezra Pound, another good looking right wing intellectual found him.

Hmm

>> No.8580845

>>8580832
>Joyce
>Right wing
You have never read Joyce

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>> No.8580853

>>8580832
>Joyce
>right wing

Just because he never flat out said he wasn't a leftist doesn't mean he was a right winger.

>> No.8580887

>>8580853
In quite a few of his letters he declares himself as a socialist.

>> No.8580962

*BRAPPPPPPPPPPFT*

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>>8580962
FART HARDER

>> No.8582279

>>8580589
>>8580594
>>8580962
>>8580968
Fucking Lost
I can't believe this

>> No.8582288

>>8580338
Fuck, now I wanna fugg him. Hate you OP

>>8580574
Hate you too

>> No.8582392

>>8580367
good looking people are more likely to be wealthy
wealthy people are more likely to be intelligent

get it right

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>>8580338
>Is it possible to be a great artist without being good looking?
Yeah just look at this ugly cunt

>> No.8582428

>>8582392
Wealth has almost nothing to do with intelligence

>> No.8582491

>>8582428
blatantly false

>> No.8582505

>>8582428
>what is society?

>> No.8582510
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Us bookish Irish men are usually strapping young lads in our youth.

...Then the fart fetish sets in, we crave the effluent of our oul' lady's hole and it all goes down hill form there.

>> No.8582515

>>8580850
One of the reasons I dislike and refuse to read Hemingway is because of how attractive he is / was. It's the reason I read Houellebecq so willingly and with such great enthusiasm, and why I post mostly on /r9k/

>> No.8582521

Anybody remember that Irish anon on here about a year ago who said he was convinced he was the next big literary Irish star?

He posted some excerpt about being depressed and eating biscuits all day and he was so up himself it's hard to believe.

>> No.8582531

>'More.' James Demanded, one hand on Nora's moist, tear stained chin, the other gripping a fat bottle of Jameson Whiskey.

>The love of Joyce's life looked up at him with glassy, tired eyes. 'But James, darling, it is so onerous, I -'

>James interrupted with a loud slam of the bottle upon the table. 'I don't want to hear what is onerous, my little fuckbird, I want to heard what is ODOROUS; I want to smell it. Now Fart, my darling 'fore I fuck them out of you!'

>Nora whimpered and strained once more, her drawers draped over her trembling ankles.

>I sneaked away as I had arrived, unseen but surely scarred.

-Letter's concerning Joyce, Second edition.

Why was he such a freak?

>> No.8582537

>>8580374
and rightfully so. he was hideous.

>> No.8582583

>>8582392
good looking people are more likely to be good looking and wealthy because their parents are good looking and wealthy

their parents are good looking and wealthy because they were intelligent, and intelligence and good looks often go together because they are both signs of good genetics and developmental conditions

>> No.8582591

It's impossible to be a worthwhile human being without good looking.

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>>8582583
>mfw dirt poor, unintelligent alcoholic family on both sides
>But we're a damn good looking bunch

My father can't even say Oxygen correctly or spell for shit but his sexual exploits are legendary.

>> No.8582605

>>8582603

I bet you live vicariously through your dad, frogposter.

>> No.8582615

>>8580832
Joyce was practically a Communist

>> No.8582657

>>8582583
>good looking people are more likely to be good looking and wealthy because their parents are good looking and wealthy
truism
>intelligence and good looks often go together because they are both signs of good genetics and developmental conditions
or it's because wealth can buy a stable upbringing and better access to education and being wealthy has a tendency to attract good looking people

>> No.8582659

>>8580845
No Jews in Ireland

>>8580853
>>8580887
A socialist for people who look like him, aka what most libtards would call a fascist nowadays.

In reality he certainly had social leanings, but also had very strong conservative and elitist views.
>>8582615

Right, keep dreaming.

>> No.8582669

>>8582659
Can you please go back to your containment board and leave adults to talk

>> No.8582729

>>8582428
>tfw /lit/ doesn't understand the impact of institutional advantages on a person's upbringing

Having money doesn't make somebody smart, but the opportunities and comfort money can buy certainly help.

>> No.8582736

>>8582669
We are in a thread talking about the correlation between looks and intelligence.

Joyce's political leaning would be considered crazily right wing by today's standards.

Fuck off

>> No.8582785

>>8582736
>crazily right wing
'no'
You realize he was criticizing antisemitism in Ulysses

>> No.8582792

>>8580579
Not true. He frequently had to wear and eyepatch due to the many surgeries he had on his eyes.

>> No.8582795

>>8582785
>right-wing = antisemitism
oy vey

>> No.8582799

>>8582795
Ya I couldn't believe I read that either

>> No.8583219

>>8582402
in this pic he looks kinda cute desu

>> No.8583229

>>8580850
Oh my God

>> No.8583241

>>8582795
There are two levels of irony in this post.
Can you find them?

>> No.8583258

>>8582603
Mate with me. I'm a solid 6.5, 7.5 if I make some effort, capable of looking an 8 on a good day. I'm upper middle class, smart, and dislike alcoholic beverages.
Our offspring, God willing, shall be master class.

>> No.8583261

>>8583241

no, talking about levels of irony is fucking retarded, explain what you mean or else I will assume you are as much of an abortion as everyone else who talks about "meta irony" and "post irony" and has retreated to analysis of "ironies" because they're a hollowed out person who can't see anything else

>> No.8583272

>>8582510
Underrated

>> No.8583276

>>8583261
There are five different ironies in this post. Can you find them all?

>> No.8583283

>people seem to be implying Joyce was a wealthy aristocrat

Wasn't he constantly borrowing money from his friends and beholden to wealthy patrons for much of his literary career?

>> No.8583286

>>8582515
He was a Chad through an through, but he was our chad.

>> No.8583344

>>8582795
Considering he made a personality out of ditching his nation and national identity, skirted serving in two wars, decries art in the service of politics in PotA [communist specifically], and railed against Yeats during his one encounter with the man for yielding too much his art to the service of volk identity/nationalism, I think it is safe to say Joyce was consciously apolitical.

Also Joyce had such a romanticized notion of Jews. Like all the negative stereotypes, but he relished those characteristics in them. Prob b/c he was so hostile to nationalism and relished the idea of apostasy.

>> No.8583354

>>8582402
>cunt
heh

>> No.8583361

>>8583354
Kys

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>>8583344
>he believes in such a thing as apolitical

Joyce was indisputably a Leftist, even his anti-politics come from an explicitly Left Wing perspective

>> No.8583374

>>8583283
Yes, his brother actually came along with him though much of early European ex-pating and more or less supported Nora and the children at times. Joyce was a notorious drunk who'd spend the money from his teaching jobs at pubs until he was blitzed out of his mind then stumble home and ignore his family and not write.

There is a book by his brother called My Brother's Keeper. I haven't read it yet, but it is more or less an autobiography of Stanislaus Joyce and his relationship with his brother where he really goes after James and takes a fair bit of credit for getting his brother to at least write, if not take care of his family.

And that was before he started getting noticed by people like Pound and Sylvia Beach, who would front him money and essentially get his career off the ground for him. Even after his success he still wound up broke half the time. He tried to open the first movie theater in Dublin actually--it was tremendous flop.

>> No.8583409

>>8583370

Not entirely. He hated Irish Republicanism, for example, which was explicitly Marxist.

He retained his British citizenship unto death.

>> No.8583413

>>8580338
old joyce was also a 9/10 or 10/10. I don't get why you picked out his young self. honestly he got a bit hotter with age.

>> No.8583414

>>8583370
Claim him for any cause you like. You can make a case for either frankly. He certainly was a self-preservationist first and foremost. But Joyce himself would not have wasted time considering how his explicit lack of political identity may or may not have been betrayed by some tacit overlap of the sentiments with the broader machinery of politics, nor how that implicated him as a political figure.

I don't think so anyway. But like I said you could probably make the case that he was a crypto-contemporary leftist.

>> No.8583425

Hemmmmingway = Chad
Joyce = That guy who had one or two girls in his life that Chad hangs out with

>> No.8583439

>>8583409
>Not entirely. He hated Irish Republicanism, for example, which was explicitly Marxist.

No it was not, while it had a large and influential Marxist faction it was a wide umbrella movement which included a large swathe of members many of which were simply Nationalists.
Joyce distanced himself from Republicanism primarilly for its advocations of this association with national identity.

>>8583414
Horseshit you can make a case for either way. Anyone who understands Irish politics will understand what Joyce's positioning meant.

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>>8583413
brooding melancholy vulpine in the field, 10/10

no homo

>> No.8583445

>>8583441
he had a moonman chin

>> No.8583448

>>8582491
>>8582505
He's right though.

There are TONS of incredibly stupid heirs.

There are also TONS of millionaires with average intellects and educations.

>> No.8583453

If you think that Frankenstein is a 9/10 I'm scared to imagine how ugly you are.

>> No.8583455

>>8583448
Yes but that narrative doesn't eat into our superiority complex so ignore it

>> No.8583460

>>8583439
M. Ziz seemed to be speaking of broader identities, in which case I believe he would have been complicit with the fascists as long has was left alone by them, it was both fronts wanting him to fight that lead him to flee Italy if I remember correctly, reluctantly cause the British wanted to conscript him as well, or that might have been WWI

>> No.8583474

>>8583460
You're completely muddled, Ireland was an independent nation since the 20s and no one was ever conscripted in Ireland during WW1 due to rampent opposition.

>> No.8583484

>>8583455
lol

>> No.8583523

>>8583474
Joyce was living abroad during WWI, he had already gone away to France, returned for his mother's death, and left again

The Italian's wanted to conscript him, he somehow got safe passage out of Italy via Switzerland thanks to Britan, but then they turned around and wanted to conscript him for their side, I forget how he got out of it -- I think by WWII he was too blind and feeble and famous to fight

this was back before he could even find a publisher for Dubliners, he was just some unknown teacher, nobody gave a fuck about him aside from where he could be placed to further the war effort