/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.9696743]

Why haven't you gone to your local parish and joined their Bible study yet, anon?

[Anonymous No.9696769]

>>9696743
Because It's conducted in a mixture of Greek and Latin and requires the equivalent of a PhD in philosophy.

[Anonymous No.9696778]

Because I dont wanna read about 90 year olds getting circumcised

[Anonymous No.9696786]

>>9696743
because im not gay

[Anonymous No.9696789]

>>9696786
>going to Church
>gay

[Anonymous No.9696793]

>>9696789

[Anonymous No.9696796]

>>9696743

Come down off the ledge, Kate.

[Anonymous No.9696800]

>>9696743
>>9696769
filthy catechumens depart

[Anonymous No.9696804]

>>9696793
>Catholics
>cucks

You're thinking of Protestants, pal.

[Anonymous No.9696806]

>>9696789
>Church
>bride of Christ
>you're male
>not gay

[Anonymous No.9696807]

>>9696793
protestants aren't even real people let alone real christians

[Anonymous No.9696814]

>>9696806
>Church is female
>anon thinks entering it is gay
>wants to enter male church instead
faggot

[Anonymous No.9696816]

>>9696806
The Church of Christ is called the bride of Christ not the people that attend, the fuck are you talking about.

[Anonymous No.9696818]

>>9696806

[Anonymous No.9696819]

>>9696804
>>9696807
How did you know it was a protestant was it because he was white?

the pope is the most famous cuck in the world

[Anonymous No.9696824]

make no mistake catholcucks are just as fucking retarded as the protestants.

[Anonymous No.9696827]

>>9696824
Yeah, that's why there are literally hundreds of branches of Catholicism, right? I thought so, fag.

[Anonymous No.9696836]

>>9696827
is the fact that catholcuckery is monolithic a point in its favour?

[Anonymous No.9696838]

>>9696793
Just want to point out how accurate the white woman looks. 90% of white women that I see with black men have that same haircut, that same make up, and the same earrings.

Also, don't lump Evangelicals in with mainline Protestants from non-stop leftist areas. If it weren't for Episcopalians of the 20th century creating the modern world with their keen business sense we'd be living in a wasteland.

[Anonymous No.9696841]

>>9696819
>protestants are too dumb to work out their own graphics
you're not doing them many favours.

[Anonymous No.9696862]

>>9696838
>creating the modern world with their keen business sense
>Being this modernist and bourgoise
Its true what they say, protestants are basically Jews
>>9696841
Im not christian

[Anonymous No.9696877]

>>9696743
>Christian Church in charge of interpreting the Bible

[Anonymous No.9696878]

>>9696862
the pic in >>9696793 is a US protestant panic about being invaded by Mexican catholics now they have already been infiltrated by atheist communists and islam and liberal protestants.

i'm giving them atheist communists as a mulligan because they seem to have islamic/arabic people supporting a communist flag, which is all kinds of retarded even for a reaganite. i'm pretending there's someone else carrying that just concealed, because we hired the muslims to fight communists.

[Anonymous No.9696889]

>>9696743
I understand the value of the Bible as art, as the foundation of our society, and how relevant its allegories and metaphors are to all generations from then to now but I'm not a true believer.

[Anonymous No.9696897]

>>9696878
>communist flag
nigger what the fuck that's the turkish flag

[Anonymous No.9696906]

>>9696897
they have a sickle and hammer? thought not.

[Anonymous No.9696910]

>>9696906
are you retarded? the flag on the far left is the flag of turkey. notice the crescent moon and star.

the central communist flag is being waved by the masked antifa goon in between the pavement ape's forearm and the christian's right cheek.

[Anonymous No.9696916]

>>9696878
>tfw you're Catholic and you don't mind Catholic Mexicans and South Americans at all

Who cares about national borders, really? All that matters is if you're a follower of Christ.

[Anonymous No.9696921]

>>9696916
this

[Anonymous No.9696936]

>>9696743
Because my local church is an English speaking church. I hate anglo churches so much. Catholic anglos act as cucked as protestants. I think it's just the eternal Anglo syndrome to welcome your displacement.

[Anonymous No.9696947]

>>9696910
>the central communist flag is being waved by the masked antifa goon in between the pavement ape's forearm and the christian's right cheek.
that's why i was willing to give them the chance it wasn't an arab/muslim waving a communist flag and someone concealed. you're fucking retarded because you thought there was one flag and when i said the communist flag you thought i was talking about turkey. are you too dumb to see how dumb that shit is?

[Anonymous No.9696956]

>>9696936

[Anonymous No.9696959]

I did join. I was ostracized when my ex-wife dissolved our marriage and turned the flock against me.

[Anonymous No.9696978]

>>9696959
You are both American and Protestant, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.9697012]

>>9696743
Because I am strongly opposed to religion and it's influence on society. I enjoy studying theology but I don't want to be surrounded by those who buy into the rhetoric during study.

[Anonymous No.9697049]

>>9696978
No; I was brought up Irish Catholic. She was reared by two donnish professors of French who avoided the subject altogether.
How we ended up at a Protestant church is not worth elaborating.

[Anonymous No.9697058]

>>9697049
Okay, well, I got one out of two. I knew you absolutely had to be Protestant, though, because "turned the flock against me" would never happen in an apostolic church.

[Anonymous No.9697092]

>tfw athiest materialism is unsatisfying
>but Christianity still utterly incomprehensible

[Anonymous No.9697115]

I did, but it was mostly people sitting around discussing how the different passages made them "feel" and how they "connected" with God and all that.

I'm more for rigorous study to establish well-founded theological arguments.

t. mathematician

[Anonymous No.9697130]

>>9697115
>that pic
>fuckin SAVED
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.9697150]

>>9697058
yeah Catholics just want you to hate yourself and hating anyone else takes away from that.

[Anonymous No.9697151]

I really just want a Christian mystic gf who wears modest clothing and sometimes inflicts the stigmata on herself in episodes of profound ecstasy and terror.

[Anonymous No.9697163]

>>9697058
You got two out of two in a roundabout way. I didn't make it clear, but we are American in typical fashion. Her parents dreamed of being ex-patriates, and my father drank too much. I thought 'flock' would give it up either way.
The Church is cruel in its own mode: quintessentially backhanded. A familiar thing happened when my grandparents parted ways in the olden days, but no matter.
I just needed to get some sentences out and stretch my authorial bunghole. I've been constipated this week, filled up with naughty little farties.

[Anonymous No.9697166]

>>9697151

>tf
OMG JUST SUDOKU ME

[Anonymous No.9697190]

Do you people actually believe this shit or just pretend to do so as a reaction to modernity?

[Anonymous No.9697191]

Why are bibles always printed double-column?

[Anonymous No.9697244]

>>9697191
I never gave it a thought but probably for the sake of the penny. Book publishing is a business, so why not halve the production cost? It's already a weighty tome as it is. In defense of its splendor, there are probably historical reasons to account for as equally.

[Anonymous No.9697245]

>>9697115
>this is Bible study in protestant churches

[Anonymous No.9697246]

>>9697191
few reasons, the main one being the earliest printing press style so the Gutenberg bible set a precedent which the King James forllows. the reason they used set text like that is because it fits more into the page. part of the reason why they kept it is because shorter lines make it easier to read and not lose track of your place or the content: a run on sentence is easier to remember if you bring it down to 10 words per line instead of about 20

[Anonymous No.9697247]

>>9697190

[Anonymous No.9697251]

>>9697191
Imagine how thick that fucker would be if the text wasn't small as shit and then imagine how hard that small text would be to read if it wasn't segmented into columns.

[Anonymous No.9697253]

>>9697244
>>9697246
>so why not halve the production cost?
>the reason they used set text like that is because it fits more into the page.
How exactly does this work? I'd imagine that double column printing would actually result in less text on the page. You're giving up additional margin space to the margin between columns.

[Anonymous No.9697258]

>>9697253
think about psalms or all the other poetry books.

[Anonymous No.9697262]

>>9697253
True, but I'd guess a good quarter of it is poetry, so you'd waste half a page either way. Idk, I'm a brainlet at mathematics.

[Anonymous No.9697263]

>>9697247
No, I'm asking seriously. 4chan Christianity seems to focus overwhelmingly on proper sexual morality, tradition for its own sake, the idea of Crusading, etc. as opposed to what should be considered basic Christian ideas like caring for the poor.

[Anonymous No.9697269]

>>9697263
Anon, you realize that's all of a piece, right? Caring for the poor and proper sexual morality are both aspects of Jesus' teachings. It's all even in the Gospels. And you can't pick and choose which parts of the teachings of Christ to follow, you've got to follow all of them.

[Anonymous No.9697270]

>>9697258
>>9697262
Ah fair enough, I wasn't considering the poetry.

[Anonymous No.9697272]

>>9696743
I'm a Greco-Roman pagan.

[Anonymous No.9697284]

>>9697269
>Anon, you realize that's all of a piece, right? Caring for the poor and proper sexual morality are both aspects of Jesus' teachings. It's all even in the Gospels. And you can't pick and choose which parts of the teachings of Christ to follow, you've got to follow all of them.
that's probably news to most 4chan Christians

[Anonymous No.9697288]

>>9697263
>Christian ideas like caring for the poor.
we are trying to make you not a pleb. can't speak for other boards, and I don't know how much of that is LARPing, but /lit/'s understanding of Catholicism is probably more thoughtful and open to criticism and debate along with being informed by fiction and ephemera. /lit/ focuses on the Greeks and exegesis and shit like that often enough it's more likely to be Catholic educated rather than Catholic LARPing
t. lapsed

[Anonymous No.9697304]

>>9697269
4chan christianity seems to ignore the "caring for the poor", "loving thy neighbour", and "turning the other cheek" bits though

>>9697190
>Do you people actually believe this shit or just pretend to do so as a reaction to modernity?
It's a mix of the two. There's a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon because 4chan is contrarian at its heart, and it brings out the people who are actually serious. It's exploded over the past 6 months here thanks to the influx of 12 year old memesters attracted by 4chan's edgy reputation during the election

[Anonymous No.9697313]

>>9697288
There's nothing wrong with understanding the historical role of Christianity in literature or in e.g. Thomist metaphysics for its own sake, but if you only engage in this and the occasional criticism of sluts and gays, you are basically the Christian equivalent of the hipster moving to Brooklyn to live the literary lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.9697314]

>>9697304
i think you're talking more about protestants rather than the catholicism upsurge /lit/ has had. it's easier to call people out as wrong or heretical with catholicism especially for being protestant.

[Anonymous No.9697315]

>>9697284
That's why those of us who are genuine Christians enjoy taking the piss out of the LARPers. For my part, I try to do it good-naturedly, in the hopes that they will learn.

[Anonymous No.9697328]

>>9697313
>lapsed because gay and i'm taking my chances i can be excommunicated from the Church and still potentially be in God's grace
Catholicism doesn't really go away for most people raised that way. It's like asking Jewish bitches not to argue. I think the Church has a right to its views on homos, but I'm also willing to risk my eternal soul by ignoring days of obligation because I'm refusing to shrive being gay. I kinna like sloots who admit it too. hos need Love too
Catholicism is much more about self review than Protestantism (imo). People who ignore their own problems to denounce others might as well be communist baby murderers. Or whatever Jesus said about the log in your eye.

[Anonymous No.9697330]

something tells me they wont be open to exegesing the Bible as cosmic horror

[Anonymous No.9697334]

>>9697330
it has been a while since we had a numerology in revelations thread it's hard to pin cosmic horror on it when half the greek is stolen from the classics

[Anonymous No.9697338]

>>9697330
Some of us are. Ironically Lovecraft has a better sense of the divine and the transcendent than a lot of pulp writers. All his elder gods and such do a decent job capturing the sheer vastness of a truly divine entity.

[Anonymous No.9697347]

>>9697151
>protestant gf

enjoy your whore wife who will grow estranged and cheat on you, eventually divorcing you for half your wealth, you cuck faggot

[Anonymous No.9697350]

>>9697338
Yeah I thought about using Lovecraft but I think the philosophical pessimism of Ligotti better captures what I experienced following my fleeting Christianity.

[Anonymous No.9697356]

>>9697328
>being an abominable faggot

[Anonymous No.9697358]

>>9697356
Read Kierkegaard

[Anonymous No.9697362]

>>9697356
>thinking faggots are abominations and not anomalies
m8 abominations are that which God scrubs from the face of the earth, learn your catechism

[Anonymous No.9697366]

>>9697328
I suppose the question every Catholic has to ask is: how devoted are you willing to be? How far are you willing to alter your life in the name of following Christ through the Church?

There's a bit of a spectrum, isn't there? At one extreme are the lapsed. At the other extreme are the saints. Most people seem to fall somewhere between those two.

[Anonymous No.9697369]

>>9697362
>what is moses' law

[Anonymous No.9697372]

>>9696793
Wut

[Anonymous No.9697375]

>>9697366
lapsing is a prevention of further sin. I'd have to feel genuine regret and sorrow over being gay to repent it, and if I didn't and attended confession, I would be compounding my sins. I might as well go suck a cock.
Because there's no sex before marriage, whether you're gay or straight, you have to regret all those actions too, not just the intentions. And I think God is likely to forgive a lot of that, gay or straight.

We're all going to burn in purgatory any way, it's just a matter of how long.

[Anonymous No.9697377]

>>9697369
jewish.

[Anonymous No.9697390]

>>9697328
>I'm also willing to risk my eternal soul
I feel that many Christians throw around 'eternity' without really grasping the idea.

For a sense of scale: The Earth will remain in existence for another 500 million - 1 billion (10^9) years, at which time the sun will make Earth too hot to sustain life. Even though our Sun will live for about 5 billion more years, red dwarf stars, and thus life, may continue to exist for around 10^14 years, around which time star formation will cease and all the stars in the universe will burn out. And yet, life might continue to sustain itself by moving inside the event horizon of certain types of black holes past this time. But even this will not last forever, as Hawking radiation will bring about the end of the black hole era after about 10^100 years. In theory, another Big Bang could happen due to quantum tunneling in 10^(10^(10^56))) years. This is precisely 0 percent of eternity, and is in fact quite "tiny" for a natural number relative to the monsters that appear in some problems in mathematics.

Meanwhile, sinners are still burning in Hell. Too bad for them.

[Anonymous No.9697391]

>>9697315
>That's why those of us who are genuine

Tittle and tattle, but pray drain the cup.
This is the land where we never grow up.

[Anonymous No.9697404]

>>9697390
Catholics believe that even if you get into Heaven, you pass through purgatory. Purgatory is not a place, but a period of time in which your residual sins burn. It's more time than space-time, and potentially beyond infinite time to burn, even if you are going to Heaven. It's not just if you go to Hell, you burn. It's if you're anyone other than an immaculate conception like Mary, or Jesus himself, you burn.

[Anonymous No.9697411]

>>9697404
> It's more time than space-time, and potentially beyond infinite time to burn,
That's even worse.

[Anonymous No.9697421]

>>9697404
>>9697411
this is event horizon

[Anonymous No.9697426]

>>9697411
meh, from your perspective. I view it as fair. Why claim we're perfect without sin when we patently not? Nobody is. Why burn some in Hell when all the rest are douches too but not douches enough to have turned completely from God?

[Anonymous No.9697433]

>>9697391
Then the little children were brought to Jesus for Him to place His hands on them and pray for them; and the disciples rebuked those who brought them. But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them! For the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” And after He had placed His hands on them, He went on from there.

[Anonymous No.9697437]

>>9697426
I'm referring specifically to the duration of the torment, not whether it's justified. Also, even the existence of the idea of Purgatory makes Catholicism rather kind and gentle compared to, say, Calvinism.

[Anonymous No.9697439]

>>9697437
The duration is one of those up for speculation could be different for everyone things. It's reliant on God's grace how long it is. It could be .001 seconds even if you chopped up your whole family. It could be more than eternity even if you just lied once. It's not for us to work out. Delegate that upwards.

[Anonymous No.9697442]

>>9697439
You really have to be a bit crazy to get on board with the "eternal torment" idea.

[Anonymous No.9697444]

>>9696816
Jesus's giant cock inserts itself into our church.
Pubes like telephone poles, an oasis of ball sweat.

[Anonymous No.9697447]

>>9697437
In Wigglesworth's Day of Doom, he says that damned infants get the "easiest room in hell." Funny to see how the crumbling Calvinist Puritanism tried to reconcile itself with its abominable implications.

[Anonymous No.9697455]

>>9697447
The eternal torment part is already bad enough, but Calvinism really takes it to eleven by suggesting that some people are simply created for the purpose of eternal torment. At least Calvinism has a solution to the free-will problem that isn't just equivocation.

[Anonymous No.9697459]

Because I grew out of reading children's fiction a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.9697460]

>>9697442
Well, you have to sign up for it. Most of the criticism Protestants give is because children have their godparents vouch they'd sign up at baptism, but the Church doesn't accept that as the child's moral will because she doesn't believe children develop those until they're older. At confirmation, around 12 y/o when you are a moral agent, you sign up for it.

Incidentally, since you sign up for the whole deal, like observing certain holy days and refraining from unCatholic practices, Catholics are against proselytizers because it's seem as a greater burden to be Catholic and a moral agent who has signed that contract than just to be a moral agent outside the Church. Being Catholic and signing up for the whole deal means you have to account for breaking Church law knowingly, while if you're just a good person and not Catholic, you stand less risk of sinning against the Church. I wouldn't recommend it but I did choose it.

[Anonymous No.9697462]

>>9697433
That's OC verse, my brother. The least you can do is return the favor and put some hip into it.

[Anonymous No.9697465]

>>9697460
>your sins count less if you didn't choose to become a Catholic
This makes the Gospel into the Bad News.

[Anonymous No.9697467]

>>9697460
>because it's seem
seen

[Anonymous No.9697471]

>>9697166

That woman looks like she thinks mayonnaise is spicy.

[Anonymous No.9697478]

>>9697465
Invincible ignorance doesn't mean you can murder people and it's not a sin. Catholic believe that everyone has a natural moral grace, and if you haven't heard of the Church, you aren't condemned to Hell. (This used be interpreted differently, but now there's explainers everywhere about EXCEPT INCULPABLE IGNORANCE)
However, if you are a member of the Church and don't fast when you're meant to, that's a sin which you get judged for and someone who doesn't know it's a fast day or about Catholic practices doesn't get judged on.

[Anonymous No.9697481]

>>9696743
yessss goyim.. read the [[[Bible]]]... go on.. heh

[Anonymous No.9697485]

>>9697478
>if you haven't heard of the Church, you aren't condemned to Hell.
Then stop fucking telling people about it. The most moral thing a Catholic could do would be to erase the memory of the Gospel from history in this scenario, thus saving countless otherwise-virtuous people from Hell.

[Anonymous No.9697496]

>>9697485
But that's the thing, Anon: we can't. We can't because it all happened. The Gospel can't be erased because Christ told us to spread it. These hypotheticals always fail to take into account the historicity of the events of the Gospels, which of course includes the Great Commission.

[Anonymous No.9697497]

>>9697485
The Gospel isn't the (sole) basis of Church law, apostolic succession is (most of it). Are you Protestant? The fast days and days of obligation aren't laid out in the Gospel. It's Protestants who use the Bible to try to tell the timeline of history and the correct practice of Christians. Catholics care about different things that are much later. There's even a variety of practice that's allowed because traditionalists really did not take to V2

[Anonymous No.9697504]

>>9697496
>evangelical trying to defend catholicism
wat

[Anonymous No.9697519]

>>9697496
reminder that spreading the jewish gospel to the gentiles is a pauline conspiracy

[Anonymous No.9697521]

>>9697496
If you know that on average, telling otherwise-decent people about Catholicism would cause them to be condemned to hell, since their sins are now worth more, is it morally right to do so? Obviously if you consciously avoid spreading Catholicism for this reason, you're going to hell, but you might save some other people, and you were probably going anyway.

>>9697497
No, I was raised Catholic and abandoned it due to finding the idea of eternal torment unacceptable and the lack of acceptable solutions to the free-will problem.

[Anonymous No.9697536]

>>9697521
>No, I was raised Catholic
Then why go for the Gospel as the basis? Most of what makes Catholicism is in catechism, and if you want to stem the flow of awareness that dulls inculpability, the Catechism is where you should be aimed at. You know the Gospels are just nice stories about Jesus for Catholics, not any of major ideology of the Church.

[Anonymous No.9697537]

>>9696743
were you the one who started the 'witch version?' thread earlier?

[Anonymous No.9697756]

>>9697521
I believe that having a transcendent relationship with Jesus Christ is the greatest thing a human can aspire to. However terrible Hell is, Heaven is infinitely more wonderful. It is simply far better to know Christ than not to know him. Ignorance is for animals, we are humans and we are meant to know the Gospel.

[Anonymous No.9697760]

>>9697536
Where do the catechisms come from, anon?

[Anonymous No.9697761]

>>9697756
>worshipping a guy
cuck

[Anonymous No.9697779]

As a young teen I got into Christianity from 4chan, specifically old /pol/ christian generals. I went to church every sunday, told the old priest about every time I jacked off or even got aroused, read the bible, read augustine(one of the only useful things I did during this period of my life) and many other christian authors, prayed the rosary every night, and longed to join a monastery when I turned 18. After a while I realized that theology was broken. The Catholic church cannot be the true church because they very obviously go against the bible, and also have overturned old doctrine that was said to be infallible(ex: extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, now the pope says even atheists can go to heaven). Protestants can't be right because any biblical prot sect is gonna believe in creationism, which isn't true. Also, I don't believe that they just rediscovered true Christianity 500 years ago. Along with these realizations, I got tired of the constant anxiety, trying not to fall into completely human desires, worrying about sin, thinking that if i died before being able to get to confession, which was only offered wednesdays and saturdays, in time and I randomly died, I would go to hell just cause I was a 15 year old who jacked off. Once I turned 17 I really fell out of it all, and started to completely lose faith in my traditionalist belief system, and stopped being so edgy and angsty(this is, not surprisingly, when I stopped browsing /pol/, too). Christianity is a confusing mess, please don't waste time on it. That doesn't mean authors cant be good if they are christian, they can be good in spite of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.9697784]

>>9697760
oral teachings. it's literally the origin of the word. likewise, jews have the oral torah, which is not the torah in the pentateuch, but a separate expansion.

[Anonymous No.9697785]

>>9697761
Not just a guy, Anon. Not just God either, of course.

[Anonymous No.9697799]

I went to Catholic school K-12. I've had ups and downs with faith in general.

Gun to my head, I guess I'm a weak atheist. Most days, I just don't care. I've had alot of time to digest how bitter I was at "God" but have also seen how good some of my friends are with the Catholic religion as a touchstone.

Personally, I have nothing against anybody going to the church. It just doesn't make me feel good (or better than I already do?)

[Anonymous No.9697820]

>>9697799
What's really funny is that so often I see people who got a Catholic education who are ambivalent at best towards the Church. It always winds up having something to do with the Jesuits, too. This is why I have grown somewhat suspicious of the Jesuits, and have begun to wonder if it isn't time to suppress them again. Clearly something they're doing is going wrong.

[Anonymous No.9697838]

>>9696793

Protestantism: Not even once.

[Anonymous No.9697853]

>>9697838
I'm becoming more and more convinced that Sweden is just made of memes made by Finland to discourage Norwegians

[Anonymous No.9697874]

>>9697347
No one said protestant, you O B S E S S E D Catholic pedo faggot.

[Anonymous No.9697972]

Thinking of going to one this Saturday morning for the lulz

What should I bring besides my bible? like a note book and a pen?

[Anonymous No.9697974]

>>9697190
not sure if I 100% ascent to shit like transubstantiation and shit but going to mass clams me and gets my out of my neet cave

[Anonymous No.9697987]

>>9696743
Because I live in an Orthodox country and there is no such thing as Bible study. I doubt the local priest has even read the whole Bible himself.

[Anonymous No.9698001]

>>9696889
>the foundation of our society
lmao

[Anonymous No.9698008]

>>9697779
>I went to church every sunday, told the old priest about every time I jacked off or even got aroused
>longed to join a monastery when I turned 18
>I got tired of the constant anxiety, trying not to fall into completely human desires, worrying about sin, thinking that if i died before being able to get to confession, which was only offered wednesdays and saturdays, in time and I randomly died, I would go to hell just cause I was a 15 year old who jacked off. Once I turned 17 I really fell out of it all, and started to completely lose faith in my traditionalist belief system
Are you literally me?

[Anonymous No.9698010]

>>9697838
Papist, please go (back to a third-world, Roman Catholic cesspool).

[Anonymous No.9698035]

Why don't you Christians ever mention the soul? Did you stop believing in it?

[Anonymous No.9698039]

>>9698035
I just take it for granted. Also in Catholicism the soul and the body are a cohesive whole. Aquinas says it takes both of them united to make a full human being, which is why Catholics believe in the resurrection of the body. It's also why we were originally not supposed to cremate our dead.

[Anonymous No.9698045]

Any belief in God, regardless of what personality it has, is cosmic horror. The idea of a being with no limitations that holds every living thing at its absolute mercy for eternity is fucking terrifying. Doesn't matter what this being says in the form of promises or commandments. It could change its mind at any time, and the option of eternal torment is always there.

[Anonymous No.9698047]

>>9698039
What? So is heaven an actual place with plumbing and condoms? Anyway I don't think you should take your soul for granted, it is the spark of divinity within you the "breath of god" if you will. Your body can feel pleasure but your soul can suffer at the same time. I think the soul is taken for granted entirely too much.

[Anonymous No.9698052]

>>9698047
Yeah, but it's not a dualistic interpretation. There is no body-soul dichotomy, they're together.

Cartesian dualism is actually kind of a heresy, and generally speaking we're not all that fond of Descartes.

[Anonymous No.9698053]

>>9698045
Like this; a lot of people don't recognize that because we have a soul we are actually part of the super consciousness or however you might describe it. As above so below. This is what Christ alluded to saying faith can move a mountain. It actually can because faith is the power of the divine within us. This is why the apostles were able to heal by Christ. I don't believe in the televangelists but I do think it is possible.

[Anonymous No.9698056]

>>9698052
Yes but what happens when the body dies? We know the body turns to dust after death, so does the soul stay with the body then? I don't think it does so obviously they are somewhat independent of eachother.

[Anonymous No.9698057]

>>9697974
>not sure if I 100% assent to shit like transubstantiation and shit

transformation -> changing data
transubstantiation -> changing metadata

What's not to get

[Anonymous No.9698073]

>>9697190

It's a comfortable refuge for the spiritually uncertain and a useful bastion for that special breed of people who think society is collapsing because of gay pride events.

[Anonymous No.9698083]

>>9696743
Because Satan was the good guy; in comparison God is a genocidal maniac.
Seriously, God is a sick bastard.

[Anonymous No.9698087]

>>9698056
The soul does go to Heaven (or Purgatory or Hell), of course, but this is actually a bit of a temporary state of affairs. What will ultimately happen is that Christ will come back into physical reality--the Second Coming, in other words. Then all of Heaven and Earth will be remade, and God will interact directly with all beings the way he did in Eden before the Fall. When this happens, everyone will get their bodies back, and bodies and souls will be one unity again.

[Anonymous No.9698092]

>>9698087
It is really overwhelming to think of all that. I wonder why God would even tell us these mysterious things. We can't even truly comprehend them. I don't know was all that revealed to someone or is it the conclusion of scholastic reading?

[Anonymous No.9698105]

reminder that christians are hedonists loving mental masturbation and have no idea on how to stop being hedonist, on what is consciousness, on what is death and may not even want to stop being hedonist.

[Anonymous No.9698120]

>>9696743
I actually had some asian girl stop me at my university and invite me to her Bible study group, before rambling on about the joys of salvation in broken english for at least twenty minutes straight. I was too polite to interrupt, and she just kept going on without any input. It was rather kafkaesque

[Anonymous No.9698123]

>>9697459

[Anonymous No.9699114]

>>9697838
Thats fake right?

[Anonymous No.9699396]

>>9696743

Because I don't believe in god.

Next question.

[Anonymous No.9699401]

>>9698120
How were her feet?

[Anonymous No.9699408]

>>9697471
go back to tumblr you literal nigger

[Anonymous No.9699433]

im a christian

i want to be a catholic but i dont get it. the more i read papal encyclicals etc the more i "get it" but im having a really hard time determining whats binding precedent and whats just dicta. im mostly butthurt that catholics require you to be rebaptized and im also not sold on the immaculate conception.

[Anonymous No.9699442]

>>9699433
You should go to your local perish, seek out one of the fathers, and inquire of the faith, friend.

[Anonymous No.9699475]

Whats with the recent apologetics claiming hell is "the absence of God" as opposed to eternal suffering in the hellfires?

I agree it makes for a much better teology, and in a perfect world... but how much truth is in it?

[Anonymous No.9699477]

>>9699433
>but im having a really hard time determining whats binding precedent and whats just dicta

From what I understand (I'm not Catholic) Catholicism is more about negative authority than positive, while your required to believe in the Immaculate Conception you aren't required to believe in whether she died or not.

[Anonymous No.9699485]

>>9699475
It's a extreme bastardization of Eastern Orthodox beliefs, there's no real truth in it.

[Anonymous No.9699492]

>>9699485
What is the Eastern Orthodox beliefs? Because if they're closer to these bastardizations than other denominations then Orthodox is obviously best Christianity.

[Anonymous No.9699509]

>>9696916
My man. I'd be happy if we had 10 Mexicans for every Muslim here in Europe.

[Anonymous No.9699543]

Sometimes I wish these christian LARPers would have their own board.

[Anonymous No.9699547]

GET OFF MY BOARD

[Anonymous No.9699550]

>>9699475
Basically, know Epicurus's riddle? Essentially, Augustine took it and said "There is no evil, evil is but a lack of good". Thus, this.

[Anonymous No.9699563]

>>9699550
What about the bible actually talking about a hellfire?

[Anonymous No.9699570]

>>9699563
Jesus spoke in parables quite a bit familia.
And if you're a genuine christian you should understand how distance from God is infinitely worse than hellfire.

[Anonymous No.9699621]

no one on 4chan legitimately believes in God especially on lit where things like religion and philosophy are intellectual fads or cool personality traits and are the equivalent of naming your favorite band or buying new shoes I fucking hate this board fuck you sage

[Anonymous No.9699631]

>>9699621
>believing in God
>intellectual fads or cool
The absolute state of this post.

[Sage No.9699635]

>>9699621

>>9699433
is a prime fucking example of the amount of """"""christians"""""" who are so wrapped up in cynical 4chan irony the way they talk about converting is like someone's uncertainty before buying a product

[Anonymous No.9699641]

>>9699475
ive always been an annihilationist or at least sympathetic to it because if God created everything complete separation from God can only be non-existence.

>>9699509
no you wouldnt. if that the exchange rate us americans will happily trade.

>>9699543
i wouldnt mind. 8ch /christian/ is literally full to the brim with retards. almost as bad as catholicanswers forum

>>9699621
>no one
lol

[Anonymous No.9699653]

>>9699570
There is no talk about an eternal hellfire in the old testament? All the ideas of a lake of fire and eternal burning is just from the parables of Jesus?
>And if you're a genuine christian you should understand how distance from God is infinitely worse than hellfire.
irrelevant

[Anonymous No.9699658]

>>9699635
relax faggot, im just burned out on newage protestant bullshit and i feel a bit removed at orthodox churches because im not ethnic.

im neither cynical nor ironic

[Anonymous No.9699668]

>>9699543
Hi friend you must be new.

[Sage No.9699688]

>>9699658

go larp in your basement faggot you clearly aren't concerned with God and more concerned with the material aspect of the churches

[Anonymous No.9699698]

>>9699543
Reddit is that way

[Anonymous No.9699715]

>>9699688
ill pray for you man

[Anonymous No.9699722]

>>9696743

Bruh because unlike the redpill larpers I actually grew up in churches and I know the horrors of sitting around listening to a bunch of dumbass hick protestants yodel about muh 7 year old who died and saw heaven and then got brought back to life to tell us about how the grass moves out of the way of your feet because there's no death in heaven

[Anonymous No.9699733]

>>9699653
No, no, the hellfire is real. Remember, Our Lady of Fatima showed the children a vision of Hell and there was plenty of fire. They said it was genuinely horrifying.

[Anonymous No.9699741]

>>9699733

Because it's so hard to frighten children.

[Anonymous No.9699744]

>>9699722
>going to Protestant church

wew

[Anonymous No.9699750]

>>9699733
...

Can we get some non-Christian answers please.

Someone who read the Bible like one reads Moby-Dick.

[Anonymous No.9699752]

>>9699741
I'm just saying, accounts of Hell as an actual place are not lacking in fire. One might argue that the fire and the total absence of God are somehow related in a mystical, metaphysical sense, but that might be a stretch.

[Anonymous No.9699760]

>>9699733
reminder that catholicism is crypto-polytheism

[Anonymous No.9699979]

>>9699750
I read Moby Dick like i read my Bible.

[Anonymous No.9699990]

>>9696793
>implying half of those Mexicans are not catholic

[Anonymous No.9699993]

>>9696743
but I have OP, JP showed me the way to JC

[Anonymous No.9700004]

>>9699475
anything to get more butts in the seats

[Anonymous No.9700016]

>>9699433
>im also not sold on the immaculate conception.
Why not? out of all the things that is among those that is least hard to believe.
>butthurt that catholics require you to be rebaptized
Why? Do you want to insist that your previous religion was not wrong so you don't have to be rebaptized? just think of it like joining an new thing
>im having a really
There are people majoring in that crap

[Anonymous No.9700060]

>>9697304
>the influx of 12 year old memesters
4chan has always been a site for underagers. I'm sure most non-underage posters now were underage at some point. I'm becoming very disillusioned at this point though because I'm starting to realize how seriously people are taking the memes. It's all getting a bit tiresome.