/lit/ - Literature

>>4706895
Thank you, that makes sense. I recall read about reactive and active in Genealology of morals.

But one thing is still unclear
>So what?
what does it matter if someone is life affirming or life denying? It's not a formula for being happy because Nietzsche thought that happiness was superficial

Is he just stating the will to power as an objective fact of the universe?

>>4706764
no
>>4706753
>free will.
whole different topic which he doesn't discuss

Is Nietzsche just one big concept?

>>4706529
so is this like a tfw kind of thing?
I find it impossible to discuss Nietzsche with other people because of this feel-like nature

>>4706495
yeah I understand that, but it doesn't provide a proof or explanation or meaning

He doesn't PROVE that everything is driven by power, he just repeats it a ton of times

>>4706513
>"[The] world is the will to power—and nothing besides!"
now prove it

>>4706441
why though?

>>4706427
but even in his other novels you find nothing buy inconsistencies

>>4706405
that's what's so frustrating. I find myself constantly filling in blanks with my own guesses since he fails to provide any of his own

I really want to believe what is going on here, I really do.

But I can't get past the fact that nothing here is proven and it's full of contradictions

I'm on my 4th Nietzsche book and he has yet to make a coherent definition of "will to power". He has failed to provide any evidence that validates the statement: "everything is driven by an innate will to power".

Also:
>So I've lived my life 100% towards more power. I've conquered as many people as I could, I've achieved self mastery, complete subordination of all entities I come across, etc. What happens when I reach the end of my life?
>I obtained as much power as I could, now what?

Where is the meaning behind power?
This hurts to keep reading because it just sounds like un-backed commentary. Does anyone who is perhaps a better reader than me have the answers to this?

>>4694804
already did the mlp comics

ty anyway

>>4694191
>The problem is his words are too big.
the problem is that everything is metaphorical and is translated by people who aren't of english descent.

Best bet is to find a better translation or learn German

What next...
Nausea by Sartre?
or
Genealogy of Morals by Nietzsche?

bump

so if all living things have a natural will to power, then that must mean that all our actions are aimed towards increasing our power.
We get power from stealing just as much as we get from giving

Is becoming the Ubermensch about being the sole source of ones power instead of needing other people? I.e. you aren't dependant on weaker people to increase your power, you create it yourself?

>>4431088
is it understandable? I enjoy prose and stuff, but I hate having to read literary analysis online after each chapter

I head this book is scary

is it?

>>4423990
I was simply putting it into context:

If everything was bound to repeat itself, and has been repeating itself infinitely. then the present is just a repetition of the past: therefore, any illusion of "choice" would simply be repeating something in the past.

For example: If this is the infinite-th time that WW2 happened, then there was no real choice that the generals or leaders had: they were inevitably on the same path that occured an infinite number of times.

That's why I was confused with recurrence and determinism, but >>4423810 cleared it up

>>4423964
makes sense, very much along the lines of his "amor fati" style. Thanks alot, that clears up a lot of stuff

>>4423949
what if shitposters just stopped posting in threads they disagreed with?

>>4423810
so all Nietzsche is saying is: You should have the courage to accept your life as it is?

>>4423703
explain?

does he contradict himself? Is there free will?

In Zarathustra, Nietzsche poses the ideas of free will, the will to power, and eternal recurrance

if eternal recurrance is true, then doesn't that eliminate free will?

>>4413330
Nietzsche is suggesting that when people give YOU pity, it proves that you are weak and lack power. Whether you notice it or not, it eats you up forever. It's supposed to act as a depressant to the person who gives pity, not recieves it

It also keeps alive that should have died

>>4412641
>it (Christianity) seemed to make weakness into a strength or virtue
shit, forgot about this part. You're right

but I do recall reading about pity from a darwinistic standpoint in the anti christ.

>>4412621
he does spout a lot of bullshit, for example he states that women are incapable of true friendship the same way men are

for Nietzsche, the ubermensch is the ultimate thing man should strive for, kind of like heaven is what christians should strive for. He lays out a psuedo-morality (he also states that the ubermensch should be beyond good and evil) that says the good is what gives a sense of power

pity acts in opposition to power, as it gives a depressing kind of feeling.

Also he, being a devout darwinian, stated that pity "preserves that which is ripe for destruction". Basically, the weak should die if they can't take care of themselves

I could be wrong, but that's what I took away from the antichrist and what I've read so far from this book

>>4412609
it's absolutely fantastic

some chapters just fill you up with energy. I'm only 1/4 of the way through, and I've had to read everything twice. Lots of poetry

>>4412611
according to him, pity is death