/lit/ - Literature

>>4791347
"not gay as in happy but queer as in fuck you"
also I messed up my trip for a moment, sorry

Parmenides is a good start for presocratics, maybe ontology in general, but who knows what the heck he's saying

>>4725560
at it again I see
I've already done an oil pull and tinfoil suppository so it won't work
I am impenetrable

Where did you find some of these names; have you been trolling my posts for information
Hunter Hunt-Hendrix is the high water mark for contemporary philosophy and it's no joke
http://pitchfork.com/news/47611-watch-liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discuss-the-music-of-his-life-in-pitchforktvs-5-10-15-20/

the list needs more human-machine hybrids tho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6fVhYTRVp8

the real (Socratic) dialogue ends at Book I
Plato killed Socrates and he's coming to get me too
never sleep again

Annie Oakley is nice, I don't know any of her books other than Working Sex
this made me sad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF6k0Xfp5TU

yea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDppj_Ij2g
>Hoggsogoth

plen thread?
I can't finish Gravity's Rainbow

>>4660460
>5.1362

>>4660475
But can you really describe a world in which that is possible? It seems to play free will against determinism without either winning out.
Anscombe's "Aristotle and the Sea Battle" is useful, I think:
>Aristotle thinks that it is necessity that the sun will rise, Wittgenstein says that we do not know that the sun will rise; and that the events of the future cannot be inferred logically from those of the present. But he also says that we could not say of a world not going according to law how it would look. So though he thinks that anything describable can happen, he would enquire whether the sun's not rising tomorrow is a describable event. So why does he say we do not know that the sun will rise? Not, I think, because the facts may falsify the prediction, but because there may not be any more facts: as in death the world does not change, but stops.

Wittgenstein (in TLP):
>>5.1362 The freedom of the will consists in the fact that future actions cannot be known now. We could only know them if causality were an inner necessity, like that of logical deduction.—The connexion of knowledge and what is known is that of logical necessity.
>(“A knows that p is the case” is senseless if p is a tautology.)

this is two billion percent more difficult than anything Wagner did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6PjZToSt1s

>>4644143
I think negative privilege is useful in some ways; you could argue that "acting white" is mostly aimed at gaining negative privileges, though I'm not sure if these are arguments I want to put forth myself. If you're talking about privileges at all you're already leaving universality behind, so why not just talk about the individuals in question?

But I think what words are right depends a lot on the audience. If I'm talking with a lot of radicals, I can say "abolish the family" and so on, but otherwise it would be something like "the family should be transformed."

We already have positive and negative rights, so couldn't there be positive and negative privilege? Lots of the "invisible knapsack" privileges are actually negative privileges, I think.

But it's more important to get a message across than use the "right" words. If someone were telling me that they don't see how they're privileged, I'd point to something like the negative privilege of "not being harassed." On the other hand, rights are universal: everyone has a right not to be harassed, but the uneven application of that right makes it a privilege.

>>4612305
Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartanoism
>Kartanoist life was strictly asceticist, including most of all total sexual abstinence, even in marriage. Women were forced to wear dark-coloured clothes, cover their heads in scarves and dress in long dresses, to avoid rousing sexual urges in men. Children were raised severely, even cruelly. The movement held prayer and sermon meetings, which could last well into the night. They included long kneeling prayers, preferably with the face pressed into the floor, and praying in such a loud voice "that the devil would flee away". The prayer meetings would often end in ecstatic experiences, where participants banged their heads and hands on the floor, shouted and wailed, had visions, spoke in tongues and prophesied.
skoptsy are good too

>>4601395
I'd just rather support a group that formed from anger management sessions and not whatever foolishness made Newsome a hipster icon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d3ncEcYm4E

I can't listen to more than 30 seconds

"All my bones are dolorous with vines"
this is rubbish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMHbn8fQLlk
I found this on /mu/ it's pretty good

probably around 13 when I read Kierkegaard but I'd like to "grow into him" again
my memories of Nietzsche are scattered, Zarathustra and some of his aphorisms maybe from Beyond Good and Evil
I like Birth of Tragedy tho he tries too hard to be scholarly; maybe I'll read The Antichrist

>>4597912
he most likely had some sort of inherited mental problems
filtered etc

>>4574661
>New words will have to be invented for all the nastiness I will do to you.
I appreciate the structure of this sentence, especially use of tense.

I use notecards a lot but little scratch pads work better

>>4574539
if you're trying to bully someone on 4chan you can use harsher words than "bang"
please consider the impact of your words, your inner motivations, your reason for being here and so on

>>4573868
I take notes on a drawing pad while reading, but I usually throw them out. Sometimes it's for quotes but usually just to keep track of lines of thought.

>>4570882
That's true, it's just frustrating that the first thing people think of doing in rape cases is determining that it happened. Maybe it's an issue of public debate because Allen's artistic integrity [lol] is on the line or something, and the fact that Farrow wrote an open letter about it does make it public issue. But if someone is hurting, we should look at the fact of their hurt and not the fact that they were hurt, if that makes sense? The Farrow case is different because it's really just repeating accusations that were already made, but it's sad that the letter is being read as a sort of criminal accusation rather than an expression of hurt. Cases like this are always sort of frustrating, though.

>>4570817
What did you get out of this article? The author barely gives the facts of the whole Woody Allen debacle and instead just talks about how the blogosphere reacted to it, with a weird caveat that "well people sometimes are coached into believing they were assaulted." I barely know about the case myself, but she treats Dylan Farrow as a news item rather than a human being. It's disgusting. It's disgusting that she recognizes Farrow believes she was molested, but still treats the case as some abstract issue of public debate.

Believing all victims isn't the same as prosecuting all suspects. The criminalization of rape is only a feminist issue insofar as dismantling the prison system is a feminist issue. Please don't reduce all feminists to corporate feminists.

>me and my gf
>my gf

anyway anything with "hammy" is going to be cute i guess
"hammy valentine's day" etc
or something about rolling in hay or straw

"Would that my bones had been laid to rest in the tomb of my fathers
While they were virtuous bones, while I was truly a maid.
I was a Vestal once, a priestess at Ilion's altars,
Now disgraced and defiled—what is a marriage to me?
How do I live on so, an object of vulgar derision?
Strumpet, they call me, and worse; death would be better than shame."
Desperate, holding her fur to the eyes all swollen with weeping,
She threw herself into the stream, and the water bore her away

Plato is far superior to Aristotle
don't believe the hype

if you want a traditional Greek canon or something just do Thales/Anaximander/Anaximenes/Heraclitus/Parmenides; there's a decent Penguin collection but you can get the gist of their fragments online. Then Plato, maybe Apology and associated works (Crito/Euthyphro) and if you're interested in politics, read Republic and then Aristotle's Politics. Otherwise maybe Phaedrus, Parmenides and Timaeus if you like Plato more, then whatever you're supposed to read by Aristotle. I think he says you're supposed to do Analytics before Metaphysics but just read Metaphysics, you know how to do syllogisms.

if you want something more interesting I like Greek Stoics (Zeno of Citium and Chrysippus in particular) but you'll have to find secondary literature on them
>Zeno died around 262 BC. Laërtius reports about his death:
>As he was leaving the school he tripped and fell, breaking his toe. Striking the ground with his fist, he quoted the line from the Niobe:
>"I come, I come, why dost thou call for me?"
>and died on the spot through holding his breath.

in "might makes right" we presuppose that the one who wields justice is mightiest. Laws 769c-d: lawgivers resemble painters of beautiful [living] objects because laws must be continuously 'sketched' with precision according to their object (which might be called their 'jurisdiction') and their children are properly entitled to carry on the task if possible.
then while he's contorting himself in anticipation for a point about subjectivity or inheritance, you slit his throat; your soul shall certainly be given its wings for such a fine deed