/sci/ - Science & Math

Masters degree is the new bachelors degree.

PhD is the new high school diploma

>>10874921
If you go into STEM only because you want a high paying job, then you will suffer greatly.

>>10874921

This is a 2.7 GPA engineer copepost if I ever saw one

>>10874921
You won't make it in the academy, unless you live and breath *insert field'' and love to do it every waking hour, even then you need a dash of autism to really get an edge.

>>10875015

>>10875026
Tenure isn't about talent anymore, universities are corrupt, you'd better be a minority if you wish to have a chance. You really think hiring committees will read your publications? Most of them wouldn't even understand a basic paper that's even slightly out of their field of expertise they are the only one to study

>>10875038
I don't know about that, but I guess that's one way to cope.

>>10875050
Bluepilled goy spotted

>>10875060
Publish better and more interesting papers then,

>>10875038
I got asked what I could do for the department’s diversity in the interview for my masters position. Guess my cope answer about being open minded and encouraging a wide range of ideas worked, but I imagine it’s even worse for professors.

>>10874921
>Graduate school is for dumb smart people who weren't good enough for industry and pretend that they're actually too good for it to save face.
imaginge COPEing this hard holy shit

>Math & Physics degrees are romanticized, extremely.
Only on /sci/

>>10875068
You could publish papers worthy of a science revolution, nobody would care if you don't know the right people, because nobody would read it in the first place.

>>10874921
There are more STEM graduates than there are STEM jobs available.

Engineering degrees are a trap. You will work for 50 hours per week on the most soulless tasks to make $60,000.
>>10875084
This is true. You are better off majoring in something outside of STEM while learning to program and reading math/science books outside of class, where you will read far ahead of an undergraduate program anyway.

>tfw dropped out of my PhD for a high paying industry job

Feels fucking good man. With my stipend I was making ~25k/yr slaving away for a professor. Now I'm making 240k/yr as a data scientist. I have a normal life and I rarely work more than 40 hours a week.

I had probably 4 years left in my program. Looking at just the difference in earnings (not counting investments, inflation, etc) that's a difference of 860k. Add on the quality of life improvement of industry over academia and the relative value is insane.

I honestly do not understand why people put up with academia's bullshit.

>>10874921

both patently false.

however, a lot of research people are doing in cs utterly pointless. it's full to the brim of foreigners larping as scientists so they can become permanent residents and make that dosh. they're mostly clueless and meaningful work is not their endgame.

>>10874921
>Graduate school is for dumb smart people who weren't good enough for industry
Nah, I just want to do research on my own interests, not write code or do verification work for Mr. Shekelstein

>>10875026
This isn’t true. You have to work hard, yeah, but it’s a lot comfier than you’re selling it to be. I think most people from /sci/ feel like studying a “big boy stem subject” entitles one to a sizable salary since it’s hard to get through, but it’s more that your work is what gets you around, not your schooling. Academia is no different
I think this is why so many engineering kiddies feel the incessant need to shit on academia

>>10874921
But getting into industry is a much lower bar for entry..
That and entry level industry work isn’t exactly the hardest position in the world. Especially in engineering industry, where you trade math and science for “good business relations with the clientele.” Engineering is just the new business tech degree with math slapped on that companies don’t even really want to use outside of R&D...which is full of PhD’s doing the actual engineering and undergrads + masters doing the implementation work.
t. did industry for 2 years and then went to grad and found it way more interesting

>>10875137
What field? TCS grad is comfy as fuck. You prove theorems and investigate whatever you want on the scale of pure to applied, even at the intersection of pure math and engineering. But you’re also making a good amount of money doing it. I think TCS is probably where you make the most money doing algebraic geometry these days because of geometric complexity theory. Lots of interesting math (continuous and discrete, computable and not) in that field that are both pure yet motivated by application or other pure problems with application

>>10875125
So which degrees are actually good then?

>>10876740
Communications

>>10876059
Yes, someone has to to do the grunt work with average salary, but it's important too.