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11322611 No.11322611 [Reply] [Original]

Will a technological utopia ever be achieved?

>> No.11322617

>technological
>>>/g/

>> No.11322619

>>11322611

a technological utopia would be an "end state"

there is no end state, so I'd doubt that you could have a proper utopia

>> No.11322633

>>11322611
>utopia
>>>/sci-fi/

>> No.11322636

>>11322611
You mean on the surface of the earth?
Convex or concave surface?

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>>11322611
>dystopia
fixed it for you, you are living in one right now.
t. edd

>> No.11322699
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no

>> No.11322705

Sorry Moviebob, not in your lifetime

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>>11322699
feels bad man

>> No.11322763

>>11322699
>the NEET tries to take credit for building civilization because he lives in "The West".
Every time.

>> No.11322837

>>11322763
NEET being a NEET is still doing better job sustaining civilization than Jamal killing medical workers (from west) for witchcraft or Ahmed exploding school bus for driving girls to school.

>> No.11322851

>>11322611
Our current society would be an utterly fantastical technological utopia from the point of view of our ancestors hundreds of years ago. But to you it doesn't count as one. In this sense it may be impossible to achieve it, we'll always raise our standards of utopia.

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lol we're already in a technological utopia or dystopia depending on how much of a faggot you are

>> No.11322886

>>11322611
>>>/lit/sfg

>> No.11322892

>>11322611
Isn't internet enough? You know in 30's this would be utopia. w/ books and fast communication trough radio like we have today...

So in like 30 years... Maybe if we make way out of scarcity of resources.

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>>11322699
Every

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>>11322699
time

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>>11322611
you can not fix society with technology alone

>> No.11323444

>>11323189
Correct. And we need to fix it very soon, before the massive AI induced job losses start.

>> No.11323447

>>11322611
Only if religion is abolished and communism becomes reality. We need to abadon the capitalist elitist bullshit forced onto us an destroy christianity for indoctrinating billions of people. Literally if we were all atheists we would already have this shit but fucking idiots loke my bitch aunt waste time trying to fucKING INVITE PEOPLE TO CHURCH WHENEVEE THEY ALREADY SAID THEY DONT BELIEVE IN YOIR FICKING RETARDED BULLSHIT FAIRY TALES BECAUSE THEY ARENT DELUSIONAL LIKE YPU ARE YOU STUPID FICKING RETAEDED BITCH

>> No.11323480

>>11323447
Imagine being this retarded. If you need communism you're literally fucking stupid.

>> No.11323900

>>11322611
Yes but completely impossible in our political and economic systems or general thought. Maybe once the Anglo-American empires falls and if China holds steady it could tap into a semblance of it. If Xi stays in power long enough the world might but guided towards a good end, assuming Chinese elites aren't entirely devoid of vision for the future and are only pretending. It's hard to distinguish wider factors influencing them and their own aims. You must understand China is like a rabbit hiding in its hole from a predator, hence the restrictions on foreign influence (which is codeword for opportunities to conduct coups, assassinations and economic subjugation).

>> No.11323906

>>11323447
The church has no political power nowadays and it was always anti-capitalist. Secularism is symptomatic of capitalism. Don't inject your personal ticks, corporate footsoldier.

>> No.11323910
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No.

>> No.11324052

>>11323900
>he thinks the chinese are communist
deng and xi have literally perfected capitalism, they have singlehandedly proven that democracy is unnessecary and even a hindrance to capitalism

>> No.11324139

>>11322837
>Ahmed exploding school bus for driving girls to school.
Based?

>> No.11324202

>>11323130
is that inflation adjusted? because if it's not it's effectively a fuckton more, plus it doesn't even go down the rabbit hole of indirect aid and consequences

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>>11322699

>Dude we don't go to space because niggers, that's the reason

>> No.11324319

>>11324052
based, embrace technofascism or die

>> No.11324378

>>11322611
>Utopia
The word is a double pun, being both a homonym with "nowhere" and "good place" in greek.

>> No.11324391

>>11323447

Communist countries were inferior compared to capitalist ones when it comes to tech advancement.

>> No.11324405

>>11324391
How do you explain sputnik, then?

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>>11322611
yep, we have that at sfu.

p.s. mountain kings

>> No.11324454

>>11322611
Unlikely, as long as Scientific discoveries are sold, patented, & commodified by an ultra-rich Ruling Class for profit off of a consumer class with exploitation of a working class, instead of for the genuine progression of humanity as a collective force to become stronger as a whole.

>> No.11324455

>>11324447
what does san francisco university have anything to do with this?

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>>11324455

I would like to interject, what you are referring to as San Fran Uni is actually Simon Fraser University. The Best Comprehensive University in Canada over the last 8 years except for 1.

So it has plenty of things going for it; its on a mountain; high number of tech publications; and a wide range of topics offered to students makes it a tech utopia.

also
>implying yanks could possibly have a utopia of any sorts

>> No.11324463

>>11324391
The USSR changed Russia from a Borderline medieval monarchy to a nation with Spaceflight and military that could rival the USA in a matter of under 50 years. There were many social and systematic problems that I would never disregard, but to ignore the evidence that some features of the communist system may contribute to scientific growth when directed properly is undeniable.

>> No.11324476
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>>11324391
The socialist mode of production is infinitely more efficient at producing technology are you fucking autistic
There's a reason Cuba, a country illegally robbed of over $300 billion in embargoes, has cancer and aids treatments the US doesnt have and the highest doctor per capita in the world. There's a reason the USSR fucking raped the US in the space race in spite of industrializing from a pre-capitalist society decades before. There's a reason China, even with its semi-capitalist mode of production and rampant social issues, is ramping every capitalist power on earth.
Fuck right wingers are autistic.

>> No.11324591

>>11322699
Colonialism is a hell of a drug.

>> No.11324594

>>11324462
UBC is a half hour away bub.

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>>11322699

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>>11322611
Maybe we are closer to a Solarpunk utopia then you think?

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Yes. Can't wait.

>> No.11324680

>>11322611
yes
https://youtu.be/wMntblDX0Bg

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>>11322611
Trust me , you dont know to know what does "technological utopia" mean for majority of people.

>> No.11325570

>>11325535
Why would the elite bother with that? They'll just kill us when we're no longer needed to develop and build the base of their ideal future. Ultimately they'll have artificial wombs drawing from a massive database of genes, people will only be created when they have a reason to exist, every step of their development will be meticulously controlled, every aspect of their life managed. They will have nanomachine networks in their bodies, magnetoprotein expressing genes for their brain tissue, if they weren't simply intellectually on the level of a lobotomite to begin with.

I wrote a story slightly to the contrary where such a virtual environment was developed, in its early days used as a vacation spot, as a method of incarceration (multiple reincarnations until you "get it"), and as a method of execution. Put in the machine permanently until the body dies.

Not sure which branch we'll go down.

>> No.11325592

>>11325570
You are implying there is something called "themselves" and "others". Surely there is such a social ladder but they are never clear cut and things enjoyed by the most wealthy and powerful people would be progressively expanded and enlarged so that peasants can also enjoy, despite maybe to a lesser degree and not as fast due to cost and such. Competition will provide that, the rich aren`t a grey-mass that hold any kind of loyality to another. Nobody is out to get you, nobody cares about you.

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>>11322611
>Will a technological utopia ever be achieved?
That all depends on your definition on utopia but yes, all possible ones will happen once we get posthumanism going on. But not all will be important, large or utopian to all.

>> No.11325597

>>11325592
> Nobody is out to get you, nobody cares about you.
Try running an economy with workers. Sorry to say kiddo, modern society is predicated on people caring about "you", as a unit of a broader organizational structure. Seriously, how do you think this all works? Why do governments all have methods of maintaining social stability and stifling sharp dissent? Very naive of you.

I don't really care if it's factions or a monolith. You are not part of the long term plan.

>> No.11325986

>>11322617
>advice on where to post
>>>/adv/

>> No.11325989

>>11322837
The West bombs Doctors Without Borders hospitals.

>> No.11325990

>>11322611
Nah, we're already running out of resources and have pretty much no hope of even getting off fossil fuels.

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>>11322611
I think we will actually make it. Organisations like the World Economic Forum seem to think we're about to enter the fourth industrial evolution so things will only speed up even more from here

>> No.11326663

>>11326628
Hope you've got your Link stacks.

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>>11324290
catering the the retarded crab mentality whims of darkies, faggots and women is such a massive drag on society that they are the sole thing standing in the way of progress. the airplane was invented in 1903, it did about 25-30 mph or so then, it was going supersonic less than 50 years later, it was in space 10 years after that and on the moon a decade later, but progress came to a screeching halt about 50 years ago because darkies, women and faggots didn't like seeing other americans succeed where they couldn't.

>> No.11326683

Yes, once LSD is in the water supply at 2ug per ounce

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>>11322611
Technology is detrimental to humanity. So no.

>> No.11326690

>>11324610
Yeah I bet she's hungry all the time.

>> No.11326732

>>11322699
beautiful illustration of memes being like a surgical scalpel popping a zeppelin of autistic bloviating propaganda in the media and in universities.

there is no refuting this.

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>>11323480
>he said posting on the global network that was funded by the state
I'm so fucking sick of you retards (principally, burgers and bongs) not having a basic fucking understanding of the political spectrum and where your own fucking system lies on it. You live in a social democracy. Keyword social, as in owned, operated, supervised, or otherwise heavily influenced by the state. So unless you have privately funded absolutely every aspect of your life you need communism.

Read
A
Book

>> No.11327120

>>11324476
China is a shite example, if your state has 2 billion people it doesnt matter what system you use. Other than that 100% true, people really dont understand how insane the USSRs growth was. Legit living in villages with no power to industrial giant in 50 years.

>> No.11327125

>>11322611
>utopia
People are way too fucking greedy for it to ever happen tbqh, even if they have to manufacture scarcity they will. If you need convincing consider the fact that the ultra wealthy are funding space programs instead of eliminating poverty, hunger, or homelessness.

>> No.11327126

>>11324476
cherry pick some more random niche stats from all over the place some more you fucking retard
>but muh communist shithole made more gift wrapping paper in 1979 than the usa and another one made more cleaning solvent and then another made more lugnuts
lol

>> No.11327130

>>11327120
>China is a shite example, if your state has 2 billion people it doesnt matter what system you use. Other than that 100% true, people really dont understand how insane the USSRs growth was. Legit living in villages with no power to industrial giant in 50 years.

>Legit living in villages with no power to industrial giant in 50 years.
same happened in parts of US/Europe etc. at approximately same time. The difference is - it happened for mostly everyone on the west and only for the elites in soviet union

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just go solarpunk

>> No.11327226

>>11327118
This made me chuckle

>> No.11327244

>>11322611
I know a way to achieve this.
However it is risky as fuck.

>> No.11327247

>>11327130
>they only industrialized the elite
This doesnt make any sense and is completely at odds with the historical events of the russian social revolution and soviet culture.
>the west was the same
No it wasnt, at all. Britain in particular had a stunning advantage in industrial might, only overtaken by the US in 1900. While maintaining its lead in specific areas such as naval engineering for decades to come.
http://www.econ.yale.edu/~egcenter/Markevich_Yale_conference.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrialization_in_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Great_Powers
https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/organization_of_war_economies_russian_empire
https://voxeu.org/article/russia-s-national-income-war-and-revolution-1913-1928
https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/post-war_economies_russian_empire


Tsarist russia lagged behind the other major powers in industrialization and urbanization heavily mostly because of their fuck huge landmass, the climate, and the inefficiency(or lack thereof) of their bureaucracy.

I say this not to be edgy but as a genuine plea, especially to Americans, stop swallowing dumb western rhetoric vis a vis anything to do with communism, capitalism, Russia, or the free market.

>> No.11327257

>>11327126
Planned economies werent abandoned because of their lack of output you dolt. They were abandoned because of their increased vulnerability to corruption, the imperfect information of their planners, and their association with social oppression. If you stopped to think about it for more than 30 seconds you would realize this is true because contingent to a "free" or mixed economy is waste in the form of surplus and shortage in addition to the assumption that every actor operates in their own best interest.

Alternatively you can keep living in your fantasy where implicitly the USSR was never a global superpower, however most people would agree that is delusional.

>> No.11327261

>>11322699
God damn I really hate those “people”.

>> No.11327280

>>11323447
>communism becomes reality
Communism became reality multiple times, you can even experience it for yourself right now and all you have to do is stop eating.

>>11324476
>The socialist mode of production is infinitely more efficient
Which is why every middle class bloke in America had a car while only the political top did in the Soviet Union. Even in late stage communism you had to wait for a car like 10 years. Capitalism is so damn efficient that the least wealthy people are getting fat and everyone complains about waste due to overproduction.

>There's a reason the USSR fucking raped the US in the space race
By sending ball into orbit? U.S. are still the only ones with people on the moon.

>There's a reason China, even with its semi-capitalist mode of production and rampant social issues, is ramping every capitalist power on earth.
China has a population of 1.386 billion people and a GDP of only 12 billion, while the U.S has a population of only 325 million and a GDP of 19 billion. They are below them total produce and even further below them per capita. They don't "ramp" shit but if they did, it would be because they adopted capitalism to begin with.

Socialism is tyranny and thievery disguised as an altruistic utopia and the perhaps most insidious and civilization regressive ideology in the history of mankind, invented by some Jew who has never achieved anything in life, proposed with zero scientific proof, empirical evidence or any model based on real life for that matter. A literal 700 page long opinion piece in which he does nothing but complain about being a poor cuck and how much he would like to fuck over everyone that has a good, fortunate and successfull life, being fully aware of how nefarious his suggestions were and what results they would bring if people followed them.

>> No.11327356

>>11327280
>blag blah blah Sort yourself out
Ok

>> No.11327365

>>11322611
doubtful. unless it becomes an Elysian Fields thing.
too much of humanity is dirty, violent, ignorant, uneducated over-breeding monkeys.

>> No.11327366

>>11322699
/thread

>> No.11327381

>>11327143
this. this is what i want

>> No.11327402

>>11327381
that's just sunny Tokyo outskirts with an airship and a space elevator

>> No.11327406

>>11322611
Unless everyone is brainwashed to think exactly like me, no.

>> No.11327411

>>11327226
I cant take anymore people proclaiming how shit socialism is while simultaneously living in an era where they are being progressively bent over by the wealthy and their precious free market. The same idiot then tells you robber barons were bad and unamerican.

>> No.11327432 [DELETED] 

>>11324378
It's a homonym in english, not greek.

>> No.11327436

>>11324378
It's a homonym in english, not greek. "u" and "eu" sound different in most european languages, English merged them.

>> No.11327443

>>11327411
>bent over by the wealthy
Could you elaborate in more detail?

>> No.11327447
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>>11322611
give Elon Musk unlimited funds and it'll happen within 20 years
The faster we give Elon all he needs, the faster the future comes. Give him the best females, the best service, the best food, all the money.


I think hes the only human alive one could say all this. I'd trust none others. but he truly is the chosen one and we need to get behind him

>> No.11327453

>>11327381
>>11327402
I worked in Japan. Safe and comfy.

>> No.11327454

>>11322633
More like >>>/x/

>> No.11328046

>>11322611
Nope, base state of humans is to exploit resources to exhaustion and fight territoriality over those resources and space to expand. Despite having technology that would allow them to go fully self sufficient and isolationist the first world will continue to stick it's fingers in as many pies as possible while using whomever they can get as slave labor. The general problem with technology is it only accelerates this process. For every development that brings more energy into the system for a lower price or with greater efficiency comes the paradox of net usage increasing. In this century humanity will hit a brick wall when it comes to ability to expand and exploit. Climate change is going to compound this problem regardless if you accept a human influenced model, a solar model or a mixture of both. There's going to be famine, mass migration and war over basic resources. The likelihood of a utopia rising from that is unlikely. I see a regression coming where people put more value in learning old ways of living and the pressures of life throw us back a good deal.

>> No.11328085

>>11327447
how did he grow hair and a better jaw?

>> No.11328091

>>11328046
cities suck in talent but city birthrates crash so the population gets dumber...

>> No.11328097

>>11322879
Best answer

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>>11324290
>yeah bro those 50 fruitless marshall plans dumped into Africa had no impact on our technological advancement

>> No.11328257

>>11328091
That article on cities as IQ shredders seem more and more plausible.

>> No.11328326

>>11322699
If The West didnt fuck up these countries in the first place there wouldnt be a need to help them so much.

>> No.11328330

>>11328326
southeast asia seems to be doing fine :)

>> No.11328362

>>11328326
The West is the reason why those countries have at least some rudimentary modern economy and are on a trajectory to increase their population from 1 billion to almost 4 billions. Without the West, they would be subsistence agriculture / hunter-gatherer societes, as they were just a century or two ago. Africa and other brown countries should beforever grateful to the West for dragging them into some semblance of modernity.

>> No.11328433

>>11328257
go read ch19 of that handbook thing in the mediogamy thread
or any of Robin Fox's work.
it's a way bigger thing than people seem to appreciate.

>> No.11328608

>>11328362
That's nonsense, Africa ranged from iron age-ish to medueval with armor ans cannons. Hunter gatherers have always been rare and confined to areas where agriculture isn't reasonably possible.

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>>11328326
>If The West didnt fuck up these countries in the first place there wouldnt be a need to help them so much.

The west brought civilization to the world, schools, churches, hospitals, courts, infrastructure. The world thrives, populations boom, poverty plummets, education becomes universal, human rights spread, etc.

Does the rest of the world build shrines and celebrate holidays to the bringers of civilization?

No, they blame them for their own failings.

>> No.11328733

>>11328085
theory A. paid for top secret hormonal injections

theory B. all meat diet + gym


Theory C. contact with aliens

>> No.11329083

>>11322686
based

fuck science

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>>11322699
/thread

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>>11327402
>sunny Tokyo outskirts with an airship and a space elevator

and that's pretty close to my idea of Utopia

>> No.11330070

>>11325986
>>post
>>>https://www.postoffice.co.uk

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>>11322763
>the low IQ retard with no understanding of sociology
Every time.

>> No.11330093

>>11328733
It's all 3

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>>11322699
I don't know what's more retarded:
A) the idea that putting a flag on a barren planet just for the sake of saying "We made it!" is more important than granting basic human rights to people;
B) the idea that if we still haven't done the first it's somehow because of the latter and not for the extremely huge cost/benefits ratio;
C) the idea that aggressively enslaving, robbing and exploiting a continent means "babysitting" if you give a couple pennies in return;
D) lecturing about not being able to build a proper civilization coming from people who would still be living in mud huts, weren't for the luck of being in contact with the Romans.
The right-wing brain really is genetically incapable of supporting rational thought

>> No.11330152

>>11327411
>while simultaneously living in an era where they are being progressively bent over by the wealthy and their precious free market.
BUT IT'S NOT REAL FREE MARKET!!!

>> No.11330175

>>11328326
japan looks great after being butt raped by the west

>> No.11330177

>>11330143
>being colonized helps you to develope
>but being colonized prevents you from developing
Brain dead.jpg

>> No.11330183

>>11327411
the robber barons are a myth based on a very flawed study and spread via propaganda.

commies lie, they love bureaucracy and neglect that it creates a two tier social strata of administrative class vs proles. it's borderline feudalism.

>> No.11330290

>>11322763
>we should cuck ourselves to death so countries who have contributed virtually nothing for past 1000 years can you all resources
ok faggot

>> No.11330308

>>11330143
>Over 5 trillion in aid send to Africa
>Robbery
Boil the crabs

>> No.11330658

>>11322611
Futuristic architecture like that only ever looks good from a distance.

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>>11323189
This is the future I want

>> No.11330694

>>11330308
>5 trillion in aid
Trillions more extracted.

>> No.11330753

>>11330308
>Let's forget how the vast majority of Africa is literally owned by western (and now even chinese) corporations and/or puppet governments

>> No.11330974

>>11330753
>>11330308
Let's also forget how much of these five trillion ended up in the pockets of western backed, kleptocratic dictators and not building the local infrastructure and economy.

>> No.11330982

>>11330974
>western backed, kleptocratic dictators
They bought mercedes and m1 abrams and rolex with the money. that's where the money ultimately ended up

>> No.11330998

>>11322699
If there were life on mars whites would already be there killing or enslaving it.

>> No.11331119

No. We will likely reach a technological dystopia at some point though.

>> No.11331132

>>11330143
>weren't for the luck of being in contact with the Romans.

ignorant Americlap detected

Romans are white

>> No.11331165

>>11322611
I genuinely enjoyed TOMORROWLAND. The blu ray edition filled in some empty holes.

>> No.11331167

>>11330676
That isn't utopia.
That is hell.

>> No.11331173

>>11330998
you surely mean kikes

>> No.11331367

>>11322611
Utopias are impossible as they are incompatiable with humans. Only digitalised consciousness can inhabit a true utopia

>> No.11331424

No, ted kaczynski was right. thankfully

>> No.11331431

>>11331132
he's talking about northern europeans

>> No.11331439

>>11323130
gullible as hell. wait till you find out how much the US has spent on the military and israel in that span of time.

>> No.11331443

>>11331367
When you think about it, all consciousness is electrical. You are not the atoms in the circuit. You are the energy in it.

>> No.11332053

>>11330070
>co.uk
brexit

>> No.11332058

>>11325989
good, they sound like Communists

>> No.11332060

>>11326673
back to pol

>> No.11332082

>>11325597
Then why go through the effort of pushing this severe leftist ideology with the mainstream media if they can just obliterate continents? The statistics show which are the dominant races. Clearly there are divisions in the top elite (ex: Crips vs Bloods) or Trump seriously wouldn't be president. I think in general they do in fact care about human beings because deep down (almost) every one of us is inherently good.

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>>11331167
What could possibly be wrong about cute kittens having fun in water?

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>>11331167
t. the devil

>> No.11333816

>>11331443
I meant that because a digital intelligence can achieve whatever it wants, we can't in reality. Utopia can only exist if every kind of want can be fulfilled immediately, a rather trivial thing in the digital realm

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>>11332060
It's actually fact, though his point would stand better without the racism.

Fact is, large scale immigration of people from societies who haven't developed the same values as the west has led to a degradation of the kinds of traits that made our society flourish in the first place. Why has this happened? Partly because of the globalist idea that we can all get along no matter our differences. And partly because the rich realized that they could exploit foreign workers for cheap labor and lower the value of labor in the west, thus getting away with paying their employees lower wages. Now instead of competing with 1 american you're competing with 1 american, 100 Chinese and 100 Indians ect.. Denying this is denying factual reality. It's understandable and reasonable that people will put up a resistance against this level of immigration.

Saying "go back to pol" just makes you look like a fool.

>> No.11334614

>>11330676
Nice Minecraft shader.

>> No.11334618

>>11328326
West didn't fuck them up, when they got there it was fucked up.

I'm sure you think a bunch of white guys just went into the forests of Africa and started capturing slaves. They where waiting for them on the shore when they got there, being sold by other black guys. The places where fucked before we got there. We changed, and they didn't, now we are seeing the results.

>> No.11334685

>>11323447
I respect your passion, anon. And I'd like to believe in what you're saying too.

>> No.11334725

>>11323189
I unironically want cities to look (something) like this, but it won't happen because it's a "waste" of perfectly good rentable square feet and would infringe on the fossil fuel industry's ability to keep everything car-friendly to the point of it trumping any other considerations.

That said it'd be pretty much based on technology, just not the ones that print money for Exxon or Shell at the expense of everything.

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>>11332663
>What could possibly be wrong about cute kittens having fun in water?

Dog-Girls are more loyal and obedient.

>> No.11334825

>>11330676
>This is the future I want

Me too.

>> No.11334925

>>11322705
Underrated post

>> No.11335285

>>11324052
I didn't say they were commies. Using the term fascist to describe anything but Fascist Italy is anti-intellectual but they are best described as alike Fascist Italy or Nazi Germany. My point is so-called democracy is bunk.

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>>11322699
Billions of these are our Great Filter

>> No.11335358

>>11328651
i hate to break it you anons but there were civilsations before the west.

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>>11335358

No one is saying that, just that presently the civilizing force in the world has been western, and that is a GOOD thing not a BAD thing.

>> No.11335422

>>11328608
While there were certainly some iron tools in the western side of the Sahel, pretty much all of the development that occurred in Northern Sub-Saharan Africa prior to white colonization occurred under the rule of Arabians/North Africans. There were the correct foundations for civilization within Sub-Saharan Africa, but it would be more than a bit disingenuous to compare even the height of the Mali empire to the level of development of their neighbors in Northern Africa/Middle East, let alone Europe. Agriculture/Pastoralism did occur in pockets, but the majority of Sub-Saharan Africa was very much so in a state of technological/civilizational complexity that would never be called "civilization" were it to be applied to any other population group. Ur looks like a modern New York City in comparison to most of SSA pre-colonialism.

>> No.11335438

>>11330694
Extracted in what way? The natural resources that the Africans didn't even knew existed or had societal use for?
This is always lobbed up as if it actually means something but it's very obvious the people saying it have never actually interacted with actual Africans or seen the condition of African nations. The African nations that are most capable of self-sustainability and independence are the ones with the longest history of colonization and foreign involvement in leadership. Africans who experienced colonization have benefited from that experience in ways which are so massive that it is causing a dangerous population explosion because of Western modes of leadership being able to support so many more people at such a higher quality of life.

>> No.11335554

>>11335438
They fucked up the lands with abusive farming. Look it up

>> No.11335635

>>11322686
Unbelievably based

>> No.11335645

>>11324610
This but unironically.
The space program of the 1960s was a pet project of elites jerking off each other to see who could get to a space rock first for the sake of personal glory.
There were a host of debilitating social issues that went unsolved during the 1960s that led to the decadence and insane levels of inequality we see today.

>> No.11335651

>>11328085
A hair transplant and a better diet

>> No.11335654

>>11327447
>>>/reddit/

>> No.11335660

>>11322611
You mean will life improve for the average human? Sadly, it will not.
Life stopped getting better for the average human about 15 years ago, and things will continue to deteriorate until the human species reverts back to a neolithic state - its just a question of how long that will take.

>> No.11335672

>>11328046
This

>> No.11335977

>>11335554
What, like nitrogen depletion? You're totally talking out of your ass guy.

>> No.11335982

Life was supposed to get better but it hasn't.
We have all the resources we need but we still need to wage slave and do economics for some reason.

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>>11330694
>>11330974

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>>11322699

Which people have had millennia to try build a utopia? I don't think people can live that long.

>> No.11336105

>>11336050
Let's go on vacation to Johannesburg. I'd like to talk a walk at night and let one of the doctors or engineers know that I'm lost. I'm sure they'd happily point me in the right direction.

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>>11322611
no, because you have to convince every person in the world not to think not only about them, but about the collective good and how each of their decisions will affect society overall. Also we are ruled by some psychopaths who only want power and money so we need a real global revolution to change the entire system, but that's not going to happen right now.

>> No.11336126

>>11322611
I think that creating and distributing the basics of survival and means to communicate to every living person is possible. Hell, the tiny number of people who did the important work to get to this point in resources production/infrastructure/distribution has to be less than 10% of the population. I think technological utopia is a concept that requires fundamentally changing how we perceive existence. No idea if/how that one would play out.

>> No.11336132

>>11322611
Muh space and tech.

Try preserving planet Earth and appreciating your life for once.

>> No.11336137

>>11336132
>Try preserving planet Earth

Earth is just a big rock for us to exploit and turn into useful materials.

>> No.11336276

>>11336137
This

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>>11335645
>There were a host of debilitating social issues that went unsolved during the 1960s

The space race tackled a problem WE KNEW HOW TO SOLVE, and in so doing, advanced technology dramatically. That technology then went on to help us understand and address many other problems. Meanwhile on the social issues, it seems like we still don't know what really works long term.

>> No.11336906

>>11336891
Did he really say that?

What was the name of that short guy who used to be Bill Clinton's adviser, that went on a tour of rural america to see why Hillary really lost?

>> No.11336955

Utopia = no place

>> No.11336979

>>11322699
>>11323130
>>11326673
>every new spaceflight program or promising bit of technology is axed because of budgetary concerns or white politicians dicking around with NASA's plans
>"IT'S THE NIGGERS, WOMEN, AND JEWS"
Why is /pol/ this fucking stupid

>> No.11337053

>>11336891
Pictures like that wont win many hearts and minds, you're not actually attacking the fundamental issue.
"whites can't be poor" is just the first shell of a multi layered ball of bullshit platitudes and justifications for what's really in the center: white pepo bad.
Your picture would just generate contempt for those whites, and they'd just go down to the next shell "well black people are victimized, those white kids are just pathetic". If you came up with a counter example where they were genuinely victimized, then they would just go down to the next lower shell of socially acceptable and expedient wrapping for their fundamental hatred of whites.

>> No.11337084

>>11337053
>white pepo bad.

I see it as a form of quality control. Even if you support the left, which I do, that doesn't mean you ignore all their faults. If either party had done reasonable quality control in 2016, we'd have a far better president today.

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maybe, maybe not, who knows

>> No.11339133

>>11322611
No, because it was never about the technology. Utopia is about character and human character is shit.

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>>11322699

>> No.11339145

>>11324052
I think you mean elevators and escalators that eat people is proof capitalism must either be regulated or it literally kills people.

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>>11327447
>he posted this utterly without a hint of irony

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>>11328115

>> No.11339791

>>11334764
My family had a dog once, very comfy.

>>11335645
>pet project
It was that or a nuclear war. I prefer the space race.

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>>11324290
crabs in a bucket

>> No.11339802

>>11339797
Nigger, you aren't going to colonize Mars either. This shit is a fantasy and people are rightly annoyed by it. The only problem is the budget is so small compared to shit like the MIC that that is where the rage should be directed, but NASA is, after all, a part of the MIC.

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>>11327447
BORN TO DIE / EDISON IS A FUCK / KILL EM ALL 2020 / I am weeb man / 10 million dead car batteries