/sci/ - Science & Math

Well yeah but how are you supposed to mass produce that?

>>11546845
>>11546822
Mass blood drives sound a bit unrealistic
We can't even get people to stay in their homes over here in the US.

It's worth a shot, but I just think it's weird how even in 2020 when everything is interconnected, we can't organize for shit. Especially if it doesn't involve some form of instant gratification or payment.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/blood-plasma-from-recovered-coronavirus-patients-could-be-san-diegos-next-covid-19-treatment/2302180/

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/04/08/arturo-casadevall-blood-sera-profile/

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/investigational-new-drug-ind-or-device-exemption-ide-process-cber/recommendations-investigational-covid-19-convalescent-plasma

>>11546845
can't you just give convalescent plasma to a sick person, wait for them to recover and start producing their own antibodies, then draw blood from that once sick person??

Effectively every person cured can be used to cure 2-3 more people, using the same exponential curve of the virus in that each infected person infects 2-3 more people. could this work exponentially?? How many convalescent plasma treatments can you get from 1 blood donation is the question I suppose.

>>11546854
In a stable world full of people that can get together and focus on one thing and be generous this would be possible but if blood donations are voluntary chances are most will deny donating.

I'm an optimist though, so even if some people don't want to do it, it still makes a huge difference and chances are once things get real bad and tens of thousands die every day people will probably want some kind of cure.

Sadly most people are so reliant on mass media telling them what to do the outcome won't be 100% cured corona is gone

>>11546854
bump for answer

can we build an exponentially growing group of blood donors with COVID19 immunity?
can we produce enough for the nation to attain 100% immunity with this method, and how fast would that go?

>>11546928
>if blood donations are voluntary chances are most will deny donating

Well people aren't working. They need money, so pay them for donating. It's more valuable than regular blood, it ends the outbreak so they can go back to work sooner, and if they're being intentionally exposed with plasma cure at the same time so they can donate later, then they'll also be getting immunity to the virus. It's a total win win. If we can pay people $1000 check for sitting at home to slow the outbreak, we should also pay them something for helping cure the outbreak.

What if you donate HIV instead

>>11546989
can you donate your allergies?

>>11546854
You're forgetting that blood type limits who can receive your plasma because of your antibodies.

If it consistently works, I imagine a national program with financial incentives would be more successful and cheaper than waiting for mass immunity or a vaccine.

Like a cash-4-clunkers style blood drive.

>>11547257
Where I live you get 20 bucks plus a t-shirt when you've done it three times. Also of course the free blood test for pretty much anything.
That's why I'm doing it. There's still a lack of donors.

>>11546822
Almost in every disaster movie cure is made of survivors blood. This was obvious since beginning.

It's way to get rid of diseases, not just this one, blood plasma of survivors contains white cells and stuff that actually knows sick cells and virus so it should work.

>>11546976
Your leukocytes may not evolve to be cure if you recieve plasma donation.

The weird thing is that this isn't a breakthrough at all. It's literally how vaccines have been made since the 1800s. They infect horses with a pathogen, draw blood, and extract the plasma and antibodies. Diseases like diphtheria would make the horses sick but not as sick as humans and horses have tons of blood to extract. And if they die, no big deal. We still use horses to make vaccines for some diseases even today and PETA bitches about it.

This method of treating COVID-19 is literally using humans that are already infected like they use horse farms to produce vaccines. It's a pretty smart solution actually. Humans have less blood and I guess there are ethical considerations to using humans for this kind of thing.

>>11547675
can we still do this with horses?
we know it covid19 made the jump from animal to human and then jumped back to animal when it infected Tigers. Can horses get infected and produce antibodies?

>>11548550
The chinese are probably testing everything

>>11546854
You can get AIDS from a badly maintained plasma donation machine.

That greatly reduce the number of people willing to give, and you can't rush the time it takes between each donation to clean up the whole machine anyway. So it's not a quick and easy fix to the whole situation, it'll still take a few moths to potentially reach herd immunity.

https://www.oregonvma.org/care-health/zoonotic-diseases/coronavirus-faq

>Small scientific studies show ferrets are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection and may develop illness.
>It also means ferrets may be able to play a role in human vaccine development.

Wait, how will ferrets play a role? They're not going to kill a bunch of ferrets are they?

>>11546822
so this is how they're gonna give us faggot nigger AIDS blood

>>11547675
>The weird thing is that this isn't a breakthrough at all. It's literally how vaccines have been made since the 1800s. They infect horses with a pathogen, draw blood, and extract the plasma and antibodies. Diseases like diphtheria would make the horses sick but not as sick as humans and horses have tons of blood to extract. And if they die, no big deal. We still use horses to make vaccines for some diseases even today and PETA bitches about it.

My research focus is immunology. That is not how vaccines are made at all. I'm unaware of any vaccine that contains an antibody, except for some experimental cancer drugs.

>>11546933
>can we build an exponentially growing group of blood donors with COVID19 immunity?
Nope