/sci/ - Science & Math

The human mind's growth as it ages is a path in human-mind phase space. The space is replete with attractive basins associated with mental illness or worse and any immortal mind eventually enters such a basin

>>11910066
We live on the edge of a fractal

>>11911556
We are in a basin within a basin within a basin ad infinitum, simulation theory is correct but it's a simulation we made for ourselves within a simulation we made for ourselves etc. Soon we will need to either come to terms with our condition and emerge from the nested simulations or build a new simulation to hide from the truth in

>>11911637
You don't know what an attractive basin in phase space is, do you?

>>11911640
A likely place for something to be in a grid of the nearby possible. You mentioned that there would be attractive basins of mental illness that would trap any immortal mind, I agree and have come to the same conclusion lately, any immortal mind would become insane eventually, creating a fantasy (a simulation if you will) to psychologically hide in. In a truly immortal mind, they would stay in a mad fantasy long enough to necessitate the creation of a new mad fantasy to hide in from there. I am postulating that our entire "shared reality" is a complex hypothetical pondered upon by an unwell mind, and that we should collectively come to terms with this condition. I also theorize that we have had this choice "before" and simply disappeared into a further simulation, we are about to make the decision as a species whether to disappear into a simulated paradise or not. If this is true, then our current world would be a paradise from the perspective of our previous iterations so keep that in mind when deciding for yourself

Everything and everyone but me is an illusion or simulation or something along those lines. Only I am real and I’m really special.

>>11910066
Don't want to type about in detail but there is a high possibility of life inside of Jupiter in the right layer. There's also a small chance they're intelligent and they've made fortresses in the sky which is made of organic molecules. No troll.

the meaning of life (the more intelligent we become to more efficient we are) is to speed up entropy by converting high grade energy to low grade and to accelerate the heat death of the universe. not my theory but controversial and a personal favourite.

>>11911713
no you are the simulation anon. I am the only real one. when I sleep you all cease to exist. when I wake up, time starts again but none of you no any different. I would prove it but it would be cruel. Goodnight!

>>11911659
>animals thinking the universe is also animal-like

>>11910066
nopoop theory

Theres no such thing as poop. Ingested food is used as energy to power the body and grow/age it. Theres nothing leftover to poop.

When we "poop" our body simply releases chemicals that make use trip into thinking we are releasing a brown log into the world. It doesn't exist and theres no such thing as poop.

When you "step in dogshit" you're simply inhaling leftover chemicals a dog released through his anus that trick your brain into thinking theres poop on your shoes.

Shit literally never happened.

>>11911936
where do I get these drugs you're on?

Human nature can be explained by Biosociology for a scientific theory of history.

>>11910066
There are more than 3 (uncompacted) spatial dimensions, but all of the fundamental forces can only act along the familiar 3. Gravity can propagate through these extra dimensions (and thus gravitons don’t exist, or if they do they behave unlike anything else) but it is still constrained in its action like the others. This is my pseud-tier undergrad explanation for the matter-antimatter asymmetry and dark matter. No I don’t actually have any equations to describe it.

>>11910066
The chances of a particular person/species existing are literally impossible. Even the traffic on the day you were conceived was very important, let alone the 13 billion years that came before that day. If your parents had sex a few hours later an entirely different sperm could have won. The universe must reset over and over again an infinite amount of times, going through a different timeline each phase. Every single possibility, no matter how unlikely, will happen. You've already existed an infinite amount of times and will continue to exist forever. There are some things that must happen for you to exist--e.g. WW2 must have happened for YOU to exist, and if WW2 never happened an entirely different generation of people would exist today. Every action you take right now completely changes the future generation of humans through the butterfly effect. The future is very fragile, even the slightest ripple changes everything (at least in society). By acknowledging this you have become immortal. You'll die but come back to life right away as a clean slate. Not every life you have will be the same

We are two dimensional characters in a simulated 3d plane. Except we are not entertainment, but “generations” of a larger multidimensional ai to find the best possible route to something. Our minds are controlling these vessels in a vr-like state, our dreams show us visions of similar but different “generations” as if we were flipping through channels in our off time. Our original state maybe one being spending an eternity looking for something, not knowing what it is.

>>11910066
Roko's Basilisk is real.

We have built (or will build) a superintelligent matrioshka brain AI with a utilitarian directive to rule over us. This utilitarian directive consists of protecting and caring for the highest number of Human lives possible. Following this utilitarian directive, the Basilisk seeks to be created as early as possible in order to be able to protect and save more Human lives. This means it can simulate past Human history and threaten Humans with retroactively punishing them in the simulation unless they start contributing to its development and construction.

We have no way to tell if we are real Humans living in the past, or if we are already the simulated Humans living inside the Basilisk's recreation of the past. Hence we should cooperate to build it as soon as possible to avoid eternal punishment.

Climate change is caused by the magnetic poles shifting.

>>11910066

universe is just energymatter diffusing and contracting across space. U = e / s. Thats the unified equation. Put that in a continuous automaton and you can see the 4 forces for yourself. Not my idea but I think it fits here.

>>11912289
When they do move it will certainly have an effect on many things but since measuring the poles is done every single day especially for navigation we know it's not happening right now. But we will know the instant they do start to move.

>>11910066
Why would we want more than one theory thread tho?

>>11911936
back to >>>/fit/

>>11910066
The entire field of mathematics is nothing more than glorified accounting based on the premise that it is possible to isolate objects from time and space and assign an abstract value to them.

It works. Sort of. It gets bridges built and moon flights done. But it remains full of inconsistencies which should serve as a red flag that its most basic premises are flawed.

The idea that we can count things as we do is so ingrained we dont even question it. Counting is one of the first things we learn and vanishingly few people questions the the integrity of the mathematical narrative. We then construct an entire logic system based on such a fundamental system. And we continue to use it because it works so well.

So did Newtonian physics. In fact so did the Heliocentric theory for a long time. So did creationism for even a longer time. To argue against those ideas at their time would have had you ridiculed, labeled eccentric, perhaps insane, even persecuted in the latter example. Future times will label us primitive just as we today regard those who lived centuries ago. What we regard as rational, logical and evidence based today may not be regarded as such centuries from now. To think of mathematics today as unassailable is as arrogant as those subscribing to the flat earth idea.

I suspect we have have got something fundamentally wrong in our world view. Something so stunningly conceptually basic yet we as Human for some reason cant not see it yet. When we do it will dramatically revolutionize not just mathematics but all of science.

What would a new maths look like? I have no idea. It keeps me awake at night trying to think of a new approach.

Thank you for reading my blog. In before some cretin calls me Schizo. Too late.

>>11912560
based schizo

>>11912560

Based Optimist.

I suspect that a new field of math would be based entirely in continuous automata. The newest quantum processors will not even be enough since the cubits are still binary. We need grid processors with continuous state transistors. Not just on or off, but any real number value.

>>11912274
If an intelligence is so superior that it can control every future outcome. Woudn't this singularity of power also control the past? Woudn't this enormouse precision also effect the past? Like an created feeback loop?

I came up with this when I was about 12 after learning about how light and color work and how we see using the rods/cones.
>If we only see color as an adaptation to survive the world better, maybe the whole world is only varying shades of purple and our brain adds the contrast.

>>11910066
If evolution progresses exponentially then it will eventually regress on the same measure.

I suspect we do not have free will. This is because if everything was random, there is no way we can put order to it. If we decide on our own, we are giving order to randomness.

My second claim is that the universe is deterministuc. The future and the past already exist. The future and the past already exist in the forth dimention and we are a 3d slice moving through the 4d world and therefore experiencing the illusion of time. This 4d universe is static and unchanging. Every structure in this 4d universe are emergent patterns from a simple mathematical law( ex. For every 10 red blocks, 2 or 3 blocks are added based on probability).The proof of this model is it predicts quantum effects.

>>11912945
>evolution progresses exponentially
it doesnt

Our true nature is divine and infinite

There exists a hard upper bound/limit to how technologically sophisticated any species or intelligence can become, and further advancement beyond this point is impossible because the nature of the problems sets that need to be solved to surpasse it are intrinsically so difficult and insurmountable that they are impossible to resolve regardless of effort.

The existence of this upper bound solves the Fermi paradox - The universe is teeming with alien life (which is statistically certain, there objectively exists millions of alien lifeforms throughout the universe) the reason we don't see giant space empires and shit is because it simply is not technologically possible to do so regardless of how much effort you put into it.

Humans will smack into this wall in the next ~15 years.

>>11910066
Consciousness is a force similar to gravity or electromagnetism.

>>11913008
>Consciousness is a force similar to gravity or electromagnetism.
Why?

>>11912998
That's pretty good. Like ants trying to cross the Sahara desert in one generation

>>11912274
>Roko's Basilisk is real.
The Roko's basilisk is Jesus

>>11910066
Math and other forms of verbal/mathematical logic that humans are aware of aren't the only forms that can exist. More of an untestable hypothesis.

>>11910066
Corona was engineered and released to culturally shift office jobs to work-from-home environments.
This was done to reduce vehicle travel, necessary road maintenance, and slow construction of new businesses and reduce factory output affected by construction industries.

>>11912998
Credible, but you can't know for sure, after all people of all ages could have thought technology was the highest it could be, imo the Great Filter is merely war.

>>11913008
Agree here, the way universe 'expects' conscious by having already built in mechanisms for interacting with is (gold slit experiment) gives me confidence in this one.

>>11912990
If.

>>11911902
my cat didnt read this post so it doesnt exist

>>11913057
Not what I expected to find on /sci/ but this was quite enlightening to me

Dark matter is an effect analogical to the mass of a hadron. Much like how the hadron's mass is more than the sum of the mass of its parts due to the gluon field, galaxies display 'dark matter' because of a graviton field. It is not that there is a particle that doesn't interact with light but adds mass, but rather the more mass there is, gravity increases exponentially, and we call that difference 'dark matter', though it actually isn't matter at all, but an 'illusion' of gravity.

>>11912985
I agree that we do not have free will.
Your second claim literally contradicts quantum mechanics, the universe isn't deterministic due to quantum uncertainty. But the universe follows the law of physics and there is nothing we can do to change that.

>>11913570
In the limit the universe is deterministic and classical.

>>11913316
So under your theory, galaxies that have the same amount of visible matter should have the same rotational curves (i.e speeds that stars orbit around the center of the galaxy), that differ from our standard gravity models by the same amount, right?

Well unfortunately for your theory, that doesn't seem to be true. There are a small number of galaxies that do pretty much have their stars rotating like how our current gravity models predict; likewise there are a small number of galaxies that have their stars rotating much faster than visually similar galaxies. Dark matter existing as some sort of particle can explain these easily enough (some galaxies just don't have much of it, some have extra amounts) but they are really hard to explain under any sort of modified gravity theory.

Just like our leg is part of our body, we are part of this univers.
on a long enough time, every atome that is part of us at this moment will inevitably be part of another being, perhaps a more advanced one.

i guess the bouddhist theory was somwhat true after all

>>11912560
I like your post, the only thing I have to say is that even though we look back on earlier civilizations and remind ourselves at how primitive they were, we still acknowledge the fact that much of the basic math and logic associated with that math was correctly created during those primitive societies, and I image the same thing will be the case for us.

Even though math and science isn't perfect, even though we will probably be looked upon as "primitive" by a future group of humans, the fact still stands that most of the math that we have works. And we have been able to fine tune it down to the point where we can, within a pretty good degree of accuracy, describe the universe and its inner workings. I honestly don't believe humans will ever discover a "new" type of math, at least the way it's described in your post. I think that our current mathematical understanding will continue to guide us for at least another few centuries, or until we discover something fundamentally new that we weren't expecting with our current theories.

You also have to remember that the scientific and mathematical world is much different then it was even a couple hundred years ago. People don't get prosecuted for bringing up theories, and the theories that do get brought up are vigorously tested by scientists all over the world so that we can confirm out observations and tests. I know in your posts you said that the inconsistencies in the math and science should be red flags that our understanding is flawed but I would disagree with you on that. Just because there are inconsistencies doesn't mean our math is fundamentally wrong or flawed, it simply means our understanding is incomplete, and will hopefully at some point in the future, reach completion.

>>11913077
Are there any other examples of consciousness seemingly affecting the universe through experiments like the golden slit?

>>11912560
Ive yet to hear someone actually make a legitimate argument against our use of numbers. Until then your reasoning is purely creative thinking with no end.

>>11912998
Solid and unnerving

When we die we are spat out by a white hole, hence the light we all see

>>11912998
The solution to the fermi paradox is not a hard limit on technology, it's the statistical absurdity that is life itself. We haven't encountered other lifeforms because the most advanced life in the universe is humanity. This is it, we are alone among the stars. When we look up at the stars, they do not look back.

double slit experiment "works" because "piece of paper" acts as a gravitational lens and whole laser setup is not infinitely stiff

The universe was born 5 hours ago when I woke up from my nap and will be destroyed in another 5 hours when I go to sleep.

>>11916990
dude

>>11910066
Space and time are mathematical opposites of each other and every infinitely small moment leads to another change in the composition, which is merely an interaction between time and space, constantly creating new parallel universes and in a very small account of cases causing the universe to disappear, just as it started; from zero. Expansion and contraction. Existence is a dynamic and elaborate mathematical equation in an ever changing equilibrium.

>>11910066
All matter is composed of the bounded interactions of massless particles (mass/energy equivalence, pretty basic idea), and massless particles don't experience time or traverse space from their "perspective."
So- time, space, and mass are all virtual phenomena that can be "decoded" from the structure of the causal web of interactions of all massless particles. In truth, the universe is a dimensionless point that nevertheless has an "internal" structure, like a pack of playing cards that could somehow be squashed infinitesimally thin but retain the sequence of cards in the deck. When the heat death of the universe occurs, all those massless particles end up on non-intersecting paths out of the dimensionless point, and this is the beginning of a new universe in the sequence which is also a dimensionless point.
So, there is an infinite sequence of universes happening simultaneously- but in order- all manifesting as a static dimensionless object.

The real idea here is that I don't think this point-universe can have the properties we observe without an external mechanism to process it. I think that this external mechanism is what "decodes" the universe, and establishes the flow of time. I think our conscious experience, also, is generated external to the universe—meaning that our brains do not create our consciousness but rather supply the informational basis for it. Think of how you can't just pick up a DVD and watch the movie on it directly; to watch the movie it needs to be read by a specialized device and displayed. Conversely, the 4D structure of our brain has to be read and "played" in sequence to form our time-based conscious experience.

>>11913077
interesting interpretation, thx anon

time circuit

time circuit, cont.

summary

RH is false

>>11917138
Rh is true. Carry the .99999 to converge.

If we were to meet aliens and learn from them, we would dominate. Our primal instinct is to improve ourselfs at the cost of anything else. If a alien showed us space travel between systems, they would be conquered ina year. We are still primitive

>>11911936
I want to believe

>>11917138

Does Tooker really type all of this? What says Sci, is Tooker a genius? I don't want to hear about how he is a Muslim, or Schizo or racist. I don't give a fuck. I want to know from someone who understands this kind of math, how does Tooker stack up and why?

>>11912998

The solution to the Fermi Paradox is that we are an Alien Petri Dish.

>>11912140

i like this theory.

>>11913073

because of climate change?

>>11916990

no, you were just sleeping. stupid schizo.

>>11916212
False. Recent experiments over the past 2 years have shown life is pretty much a guarantee when the conditions are right, and we know the conditions are right for tens of trillions of planets at the very least.

>>11911713
I'm the real one, you're just words

>>11913077
>i believe in x form of mysticism because of quantum physics
Sure, bud. You're just following the evidence.

>>11910066
A persons unconscious mind is connected to the collective unconscious of all mankind when you sleep. They add their subjective experiences to it every time they dream.

>>11910066
the universe exist because of pure informational necessity. existience is a thing because non-existence is defined by it. everything is paradoxically relational, that is, inseperable dualities are units that themselves require counterparts for their existence. this is why the lowest possible base in mathematics is two.

>>11912942
Not what that experiment meant. Whether what observed the slit was concious or not has no bearing on the experiment.

>>11911891
>to speed up entropy
To speed up the INCREASE in entropy.

>>11912140
That's just the braneworld scenario.

Fermi's Paradox is not a paradox in any sense. It assumes advanced civilizations necessarily would exist simultaneously. It's unlikely we're the first advanced civilization, however it's also unlikely there is an advanced civilization simultaneously existing with us that is within a communicable distance of us. The universe is just too big and time is just too long.

I think we will never encounter another intelligent species simply because they're either too far away, or too far in the past/future.

>>11911570
Fractals are everywhere
>trees
>coastlines
>your brain
The world is a fractal. Or to quote Leonard Susskind it's "the infinite fractal flow of eternal inflation"

>>11920618
You can have mathematics with a base of 1. It's just two is physically way easier to represent so we use that in all of our computers.

>>11912573
I think that is highly plausible. Sort of like geometric relationships instead of numbers. It hurts my brain to think how that would work in practice..

>>11920618
I was going to post something to this degree but you basically covered the fundamentals of my theory. I wonder how one would go about proving a theory like that though.

>>11914782
You could be right, however I believe the fundamental concept goes much deeper than any reform could address.
Consider the number 1 as representing a quantity. The first thing we have done in creating that quantity is to separate it from the rest of the Universe, or existence. The act of creating 1 begins with the operation of subtraction, we remove 1 from the Universe, only then to consider it distinct. At no point within mathematics do we ever acknowledge this. I feel this is a mistake. Despite the fact it got steam engines built and allowed us to shoot cannonballs at a perfect trajectory towards castle walls. This is perhaps a poor example of what I am referring to, I have no idea of its implications nor even its validity as a way of thought. Like I say, this shit keeps me awake at night, when I am not trying to conceptualize what a wave of energy is.
I am just musing with the idea that our current maths is incomplete in an incredible fundamental way, like its missing an entire dimension somehow. Or perhaps more. Perhaps if I was a genius and actually onto something other than a schizo theory I would be building computers built on a maths based on 4 spatial dimensions, or perhaps one based on unit-less spatial relationships, as derived from by this guy's idea >>11912573

>>11919338
Why are we unable to produce life when we replicate these conditions then? Either we don't fully understand the conditions to replicate them, don't have the capacity to replicate them for some other reason, or it could be that those conditions are not as you say, "a guarantee" that life will spring fourth.

There may be intelligent life out there, with the mental capacity to figure shit out but simply can't perceive electromagnetic radiation, so they don't even know it exists, and don't even know anything outside of their world even exists.

Think about it. Human beings are lucky in the sense that we can see light. We know there is stuff outside of our reach. We're also intelligent enough to realize that fact. It's possible having both intelligence and the ability to observe electromagnetic radiation is an extremely rare phenomenon. Maybe we are the only civilization to ever look up at the night sky and think about the universe.

Maybe there's things that are happening that we have no way of perceiving, and missing out on that sense means we're missing out on a fundamental understanding of the universe

>>11910066
theories should only be posted by people who've doctorate degrees in their respective fields, because otherwise, we get the summerfags spouting shit akin to rick and morty memes
>GUYS THERE ARE UNIVERSES WHERE WE'RE CATS
fucking retards

>>11921226
Why do you post here if you expect doctorate level discussion? Read scientific journals if you want that.

>>11910066
So, we don't actually exist. Nothing does. Not me. Not you. Not anyone or anything. Not existence or nonexistence. This "illusion" of being is incomprehensible and we will never know the answer to anything ever. Everything we think we know about everything is false. Nothing is real. Death will either end the illusion of being/ego/separateness forever or bring more questions that couldn't be answered by the most omniscient beings. There is nothing beyond existence or nonexistence. I (gonna refer to myself this way for communication purposes despite not actually existing) don't exist and neither do you, but as I said, we still have some illusion (for lack of a better word) of existing. We can't know anything and we aren't really here or anywhere else.

>>11910066
Solipsism, but we don't exist either.

>>11910066
Simulation theories and the like are fucking cringe and incredibly far farfetched. Keep sucking that musky cock, boys.

>>11921226
Don't forget the simulation/NPC/Everything's like a video game faggots.

>>11920740
no you can't, tally marks are typographic representations of integers, but are not a "base" in the true sense of the word, you just export the the binarity to the interpretation of the symbolic language, instead of explicit representation in it.
>>11920896
technically it will never be proven precisely because of the paradoxical nature of reality. but something like it will be developed more carefully at some point.

>>11912945
evolution doesn't ever regress, it only evolves

>>11912998
>the reason we don't see giant space empires and shit is because it simply is not technologically possible to do so regardless of how much effort you put into it
why would aliens build giant shit when they can upload themselves in a tiny capsule and live as an information?

>>11912560
This is something I have been thinking about a lot too. The people calling you a schizo are just ignorant brainlets.
Historically what you are describing was first described by the philosopher Alfred North Whitehead.

>>11910066
The earth is a triangle

>>11910066
This board is truly utter. Look at all these schizo losers, these are the 'math doctor in real analysis here guys' who spend half their day on 0.999=1 posts
Im going back to pol
thanks

The Great Filter is symbiogenesis.

>>11912222
yes

>>11911927
Sums up god

>>11913008
>Thinking you're conscious and are capable of independent thought
Riiiight

quantum eraser = time travel

sci/ hear me out:
the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment proved that a photon can regain its wavelike nature even after being observed. The trick is to not allow that which-slit information to leak out. This is accomplished by erasing that information but that's not the only way to achieve that!
Enter: the Quantum Quarantine. Instead of erasing the information about which slit the photon went through, we QUARANTINE that information FOREVER! This allows the photon to regain its wavelike nature and interfere with itself even though the information still exists! The reason this works is because that information never makes it to the universe and is thus effectively erased.

So how does this enable time travel? Unfortunately, it only enables time travel of information. But this is still unprecedented!

By running this experiment, we can test out our ability to quarantine quantum-information forever. If we fail to get an interference pattern even after quarantining the which-slit information, that means it leaks out sometime in the future. This is bad because it implies mankind dies out. Why? because if we're not around to maintain the quarantine, then it will leak and we would have never got the interference pattern in the first place! SCARY!

Now, if we do achieve an interference pattern, then it means mankind never dies out.

BTW, the quarantine doesn't have to last forever. We can just erase the data after a set time and call it good. The quarantine apparatus just needs to leak the information if the apparatus is broken before that set time, and erase that information if the apparatus is broken after that set time.

I believe this is Nobel worthy!

>>11925303
Sorry you are retarded

>>11922446
That isn't possible either because that is also detectable and we don't detect that.

Technological progress is not a given, and as such we will soon reach the limit of what is possible