/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12325137

https://youtu.be/m2rRIuCTnDw

PEPE engine for the next 4ASS development programme.

>>12325148
>PEPE
>green flame
It's meant to be

How can starlink even compete?
>https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-54852131

>>12325160
Cool, now go ahead and launch another 30,000 of those if you can manage that without turning the earth into kessler hell prison.

>>12325148
lmao it even makes a REEEEEEE sound

>>12325160
Here is the 6G test bed FYI

>>12325148
I find it cool that some mad lad built a rocket engine in his garage from a box of scraps.

>>12325148
PEPE deep throatable engine

>>12325189
was this launched on the recent long march 6 along with 10 other sats?
Is that why it's pretty small?

Good news, I've reached back into the vault

>>12325315
>rs68 engines acting as vacuum engines

>>12325325
those are obviously AJ10

Starship and its next target, together

>>12325391
can't wait for three starship moon t-shirts

>>12325148
>Choking off the hose to demonstrate throttling ability
Welcome to Eastern Europe.

>>12325420
>Choking the hose
Can we not go one thread without someone bringing up masturbating to space equipment?

>>12325420
>Imploying it's not legitimate way to throttle
Never gona make it

>>12325497
>Vlad, is time for re-entry burn! Go choke hose!
>Da!

>>12325420
Fucking oldspace shill trying to get me to buy your 100000000$ custom made handcrafted throttle valves.

>>12325511
based, in house manufacturing for the win

>>12324172
Mars appears to be extremely fissile material poor. Thorium hotspots on Mars are poorer than your backyard's soil.
If there's Uranium it should be expected the concentrations will be lower too.
Now, is this Mars unique thing, or is it widespread and Earth is radioactive wasteland for some reason?

>>12325627
>Earth is a radioactive wasteland for some reason
I would believe it

>>12325627
Aren’t heavier elements more likely to settle in the inner solar system? It’d make sense for Mars to be relatively resource poor in comparison.

>>12325659
>Aren't heavier elements more likely to settle in the inner solar system?
If Venus was rich in radioactive elements wouldn't it still have an active magnetic field?

>>12325666
Magnetism has basically nothing to do with radiation

>>12325685
yes it does, both are strong forces that affect electrocharge of positrons in outer orbits of the atom

>>12325685
Radioactive decay keeps the core of Earth molten

>>12325666
Venus' lack of magnetic field is likely related its more uniform mantle temperate.
I wonder how's the thorium distribution on its surface but I guess it's not known because fuck venus orbiters amirite?

Why do I keep reading asteroid valuations at quintillions of dollars, do people not understand economics? Gold or platinum would be cheaper than dirt if we mined entire metal rich asteroids.

>>12325847
>Why do I keep reading asteroid valuations at quintillions of dollars
clickbait, sometimes point of reference for the disparity
>Gold or platinum would be cheaper than dirt if we mined entire metal rich asteroids
the image you and most other people have in their minds is "no asteroid mining" to "extreme oversaturation" in one step, which is as erroneous as the thing you're complaining about. no one is going to go from scratch to processing thousands of tons of pt and no one who does bring in those amounts is going to be dumb enough to simply dump it on the market at once.

>>12325934
how does selling ores work?
i imagined asteroid source metals are going to be priced higher because of the higher cost of mining them

>Roscosmos opened a special page on its official site with songs about space, most of them written by Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin
https://www.roscosmos.ru/music/
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1326075841873403904

The state of Russian spaceflight.

>>12325945
>i imagined asteroid source metals are going to be priced higher because of the higher cost of mining them
you're not going to sell at over market price that's just not gonna work lol, if margins are swamped by the price of sourcing work will stop. this is the big hurdle for asteroid mining as it's going to take some effort (a shitton of capex) to push those costs down, and it's all risk.

>>12325958
How will Test Shot Starfish ever compete?

>>12325992
this is why they start with stuff you don't need to return, like water. gonna be a bit longer before metals become viable. the first mined metals will be used in situ as well. maybe a generation before price parity and exporting to earth

>>12325315
What the fuck is this real? The orbital yeet train was a legit concept?

>>12325958
>most of them written by Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin
If all else fails, cult of personality.
It's the Soviet way.

>>12325627
>Earth is radioactive wasteland for some reason?
Yes.

>>12325847
>gold becomes so cheap it replaces copper as materials for electrical wires.
Would really put all those people who got killed for gold in human history in perspective.

>>12325148
that was amazing

What's the future of the Artemis program with Biden?

>>12326089
deprioritized, delayed, defunded

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2020/11/so-what-about-n.html

>>12326094
>deprioritized, delayed, defunded
DEBUNKED
>so-what-about-n.html
N--

>>12326066
has /his/ discovered the great filter?

>>12326089
canceled, probably. Biden already announced that his first plans in office are just to walk back everything Trump did, so that probably includes Artemis and may even include dismantling the space council.

>>12326104
lmao i needed this

>>12326094
>there are a lot of people who want to drive a stake through the heart of SLS. Well, NASA is about to fire its engines for the first time, so the thing is real. Get over it.
lol

>>12326119
When Musk sends people to the moon a few times do you think any of those smug people will want to associate themselves with the SLS?

After the first time people go back every senator & general will want to go to the moon with their family.

>>12326094
>sources report that Vice President-elect Harris is a total Star Trek fan
damn, best news all year. Hopefully nobody needs to prove to her the value of human exploration.

>>12326133
>best news all year
should we tell him?

>>12326133
are we talking about NU or Original series?

>>12326138
don't tell me it's... Discovery...

>>12326133
Scott, she is NOT gonna sit down for an interview with you

Japanese lunar lander company ispace opened a US office, with their first employee being a former SpaceX engineer
https://spacenews.com/japanese-lunar-lander-company-ispace-opens-u-s-office/

>>12326163
>A Japanese company developing commercial lunar landers has opened an office in the United States in a bid to win more business from NASA’s Artemis program.
well...

>>12326172
WE HAVE BAD NEWS CHINKS, IT'S CANCELLED, GO HOME LITTLE ONES

>>12326179
maybe with starship they could fund their own mission to put their lander on the moon for the glory of Japan, but I can't imagine them getting involved in Artemis. Especially since the lunar lander competition has been decided...

What is the maximum theoretical speed for current rockets in space? Assuming infinite fuel etc.

>>12326190
Space land grab.

If the Navy struggles to recruit then they should work with the Space Force to land grab on the Moon & Mars. Have it so that if you work 15 years in the Navy you get a ticket for Mars where you get to choose to stay & die on mars if you so wish to do so.

>>12326172
>>12326190
They could conceivably bid in a new round of CLPS contracts. I personally believe CLPS is the best thing Jim ever did for NASA, in addition to instilling urgency

>>12326196
commercial HLS was awesome too, even if it is likely to be cancelled. fuck boeing

>>12326194
Maximum theoretical speed for anything assuming infinite fuel is C or slightly less.
Dumb question.

>>12326200
What was the HLS and CLPS?

>>12326205
Not how it works retard

>>12326206
CLPS = commercial lunar payload services. basically NASA buys services to land their sci/tech payloads. these companies have other customers in addition to nasa

HLS = human landing system. selected were dynetics, blue origin, and spacex. there was a big establishment push for the human lander to be sole sourced/cost-plus and launched on SLS (naturally boeing lander)

>>12326209
yes it is. What do you think would ever cause a rocket to slow down? Infinite fuel (assuming that doesn't also mean infinite weight) approaches c eventually no matter what kind of propulsion it is.

>>12326209
Oh but that is exactly how it works. Assuming you have "infinite fuel", what is there to stop you from accelerating until you hit the limits of physics?
In b4 some dumb "oh but current engines can't run for longer than x" retardation. Well, current engines don't have access to infinite fuel either.

>>12326209
based retard

>>12326217
>>12326218
to be fair, the interstellar medium is thick as pea soup when you're travelling

>>12326223
I'm well aware there's no such thing as a perfect vacuum outside the lab, which is why I also stated slightly less than c.

>>12326223
I don't know which popsci youtuber told you this, but you should really look these things up. A modern rocket with infinite fuel would hit c in like a week—they accelerate very, very fast.

>>12326216
thanks,

>>12326231
im not the guy you're arguing with nigger

>>12326223
as in splat if you jump from 500ft into the pool of pea soup?

>>12326248
you need an ablator when you travel near C

>>12326248
intergalactic medium might not be so bad. interstellar medium gets thicker. if you hit a fuckin oort cloud or nebula going that fast good luck

>this thread
Never change /sfg/

So, if the 2024 deadline goes away from the top, what's stopping NASA from keeping their own aspirational timelines? Never understood why the

In reality, Congress will keep funding SLS and maybe other stuff shifts toward climate science, but it seems silly that NASA can create as many programs (commercial or otherwise) as they want, but the president can step in an say
>durr you're gonna have to push that out to 2030 because im a nigger president

Make way for the superior lunar lander

>>12326280
>what's stopping NASA from keeping their own aspirational timelines?
Why bother if they get paid regardless?

>>12326284
obviously Boeing doesn't care. Is NASA really full of dispassionate, defeatist sloths? Is Jim the only motherfucker in there pushing them to actually attempt to succeed in a meaningful timeframe??

>>12326283
Best girl

>>12326283
>minecraft blocks

>>12326287
NASA's horrific management has been just a big a problem as congress mandating cost plus contracts from Boeing

>>12326163
This might be the like the Indian lander company all over again, where NASA couldn't pick the Indian company even though they had an American office. So NASA probably won't pick the Japanese company either. Maybe it would be better if the company subcontracted or did some kind of data agreements with American lander companies?
https://spacenews.com/commercial-lunar-lander-company-terminates-nasa-contract/

>>12326287
>>12326295

Lifers. They're basically like dividends investors, don't care which direction the company goes as long as they get paid.

>>12326301
Why not, /sfg/?

(pic from 2019 NASA town hall)

>>12326301
What a sad existence

>>12326310
Because two women would ensure a cat fight.

>>12326310
It’s hard enough to find qualified individuals for the most demanding job around?

>>12326310
Yikes! Two women isn’t very diverse!
What a problematic question

>>12326287
>obviously Boeing doesn't care. Is NASA really full of dispassionate, defeatist sloths?
Boing isn't even as bad as NASA. Give them the same job as SpaceX and they'll demand double the funding, take twice the time and put twice the pricetag on it. Put the same mission under NASA project management and you have to add an order of magnitude to all those numbers.

>>12326310
>Why not, /sfg/?
You mean the pic? Because there is more to moon landings than who gets to do it

>>12326310
rewatching this town hall is incredible. I had no idea how many massive pussies worked for NASA. I'm floored that they ever get ANYTHING done

>>12326310
US military is made of that same type of people as well as the tech industry. They're there for not the mission but for income & agenda.

These lefties will rot a company out before jumping ship to a new host.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/relativity-reach-stoke-starfish-blue-origin-veterans-spark-space-startups/

Stoke is a startup by former BO employees who likely felt that they're wasting their careers at BO.

Artemis is fucked once Musk starts to do flight to the Moon which will fuck over ULA & BO.

Imagine the pressure ULA will feel when by the time the SLS goes to the moon the second time SpaceX has gone 8 times, as well as major revisions to the lunar lander. Think about how that would freak out Russia & China.

By then every university Aerospace program would have students wanting to make a copy of the Falcon rocket, that kills launch costs.

>>12326337
>Programs are working towards unrealistic launch dates
WHAT AN AMERICAN PATRIOT, WE NEED TO DELAY ARTEMIS 1 TO 2031 TO GIVE OUR GREAT AMERICAN WORKERS TIME WITH FAMILY!

>>12326310
>>12326337
These were made by NASA employees?

>>12326310
Why isn't it two women of color WTF!!!

>>12326344
WE DO THESE THINGS NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE HARD.
>ruffles papers, adjust glasses
Excuse me, ahem. WE DO NOT DO THESE THINGS, BECAUSE THEY ARE HARD.

>>12326337
the Tesla reddit has a lot of people calling Union workers rent seekers.

Things will change when we go back to the moon, everyone will want the launch prices to drop as quickly as possible so they can go as well.

>>12326337
Why isn't it trans person, do they get questions from nazis?

>>12326337
I will take their job at NASA and work around the clock

>>12325160
What's China's endgame?

>>12326362
Its Progress, not Shenzhou.

>>12326310
>>12326337
>>12326351
Yep, here's a link if you're brave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFi-zvssfuc

>>12326362
Spread moaism to the ayys

>>12326362
By 2045 either complete global domination or broken up like a '92 soviet union.
No middle ground.

>>12326362
To pretend they're not buying Russian shit and actually progressing?

>>12326356
lmfao fuck what happened to this country

>>12326310
COMMUNIST SPACE LESBIANS 69ING ON THE MOON

>>12326384
Please have pixie cut and hairy pits

>>12326356
fucking kek

>>12326362
Looks like they put their Salyut together backwards. I hate when that happens to shit I buy from IKEA.

>>12326356
>meanwhile at /sfg/
>"WE DO THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT MAKES ME HARD!"

>>12326384
god bless 'em

>>12326362
starship will make space stations literally 100x more massive then that cost just as much, at least in terms of launch costs.

>>12326406
Don't you mean ИКEA?

>>12326047
Hahah no, I was just practicing making some old school looking mockups. I love that old graphic design style NASA used to have. I guess they painted everything. back then? Idk, pic related is real so you can compare

Heard the static fire scrubbed yet again. Fraud SpaceX strikes again! Q2 2021 Q2 2021 Q2 2021

>>12326421
Their paintings do have a dream-like quality about them

Last night we had a wet dress rehearsal. Can we expect a preburner test tonight?

>>12326422
Imagine if NASA were this cautious over the Challenger.

Does the idea of a successful Columbia rescue get your murican boner on?

>>12326426
Yes, also of interest are those old technical videos. I feel like in the era before CGI these videos did a way better job at visualizing stuff because they had to be creative about their graphics. I might make a video with this style soon but I need to get my mic set up
https://youtu.be/qpL7VaugDa8?t=383

>>12326422
How about you launch something instead of shitposting, Jeff.

Let's have a design challenge /sci/,

How about an unmanned mission to Planet 9? I propose naming the new planet 'Typhon', after the enormous 100-headed monster from Greek mythology that fought the Gods of Olympus in an attempt to overthrow them, and nearly succeeded but was defeated by Zeus and imprisoned inside Mt. Etna (variations of the myth have different endings) where his anger causes the volcano to erupt. Appropriately, Typhon's moons should also be named after assorted monster antagonists of Greek mythology. The myth would actually have an astronomical relevancy as Typhon would have formed much closer to the sun but end up flung out to the far edges of the Kuiper belt from an ancient gravitational encounter with Jupiter.

The scenario calls for its hypothetical discovery in the near future. It has a near-circular orbit with a semi-major axis of approximately 500 AU. At this distance, light from the sun takes just under three days to reach it. Just to make it easier to have potential orbiter missions, I would upscale the planet significantly from current estimates to 62 Earth masses and 8 Earth radii, which would make it the fourth largest object in the solar system after the Sun, Jupiter, and Saturn.

Design your ideal Typhon mission and the unmanned probe(s) that would carry it out. It must use existing technology or technology that can be feasibly derived from existing technology. God-tier bonus if you can devise lander probes for Typhon's moons without having any actual data about the moons at all.

I would pitch this to NASA as an exercise just to see how savvy they are. I am well aware that such a mission is highly unlikely to ever be approved even if Typhon turns out to be real.

>>12326541
nulcear orbital yeet train with live streamed "twitch plays space explorer"

>>12326541

>At this distance, light from the sun takes just under three days to reach it.

The planet would be too fucking dark to photograph you nitwit.

>>12326541
>orionfusionbombrocket.png

>>12326541
>~4x voyager distance
DOA.

Even if we give the probe sufficient velocity to get there fast it's going to be a deadly capture. Aiming, in theory wouldn't be that hard - few fly by sats just ahead of the main orbiter will give a split second information about course corrections needed and all that, but the sheer relative velocity will make it impossible to get the orbiter to stop in one piece there.

I don't see it doable without nuclear pulse propulsion or centuries worth of patience.

>>12326541
>500AU
>Send an entire yeet train just to brake

>>12326571
>>12326556
>>12326587
Given the availability of larger rockets like Falcon Heavy, why not just send an ion drive probe with moar xenon?

I understand the space travel paradox where you need to burn more fuel to propel the unexpended fuel you're still carrying, but little Dawn was a 1200kg probe and "only" 450kg of that was its xenon fuel. It couldn't hurt to say, double or triple the fuel supply, could it? And since you're using a big payload rocket for a relatively tiny probe, put a little fourth conventional stage on it or something just to give it that extra oomph in the opening launch.

>>12326422
Ignore stupid trolls!

>>12326569
shine a flashlight on it dumb shit like how stupid can you be? lmao

>>12326608
Slap a Star 48 kick stage on it

>>12326587
>I don't see it doable without nuclear pulse propulsion or centuries worth of patience.
expendable nuclear pulse boosters

>>12326608
Ion drive with xenon drop tanks

>>12326608
Still not enough delta V (for fast transit and capture) and having to carry big ass antenna and nuclear reactor will eat into the dry mass pretty fast. Staging electric propulsion might give it a bit more oomph but it's still nowhere enough what's needed.
Unless there's a few high g moons orbiting planet X (as in ten), which you could use for some tricks, it's going to be a flyby involving decades of wait.

Drop stage nuclear fission bomb ferry to the Oort Cloud when?

Anyone remember Altair?

>>12326608
An ion drive is nice for getting there, eventually. 500AU would give you plenty of room to accelerate in. Good luck doing a capture burn with one for the orbiter mission though.

We are vertical!

>>12326205
That's actually not entirely true. If you do the math the amount of rocket fuel you would need to accelerate to C using conventional rocket engines and fuels would likely be greater than the actual mass of the Universe, because the mass of the fuel vs how much you need to get the thrust up to C. Essentially after a certain point the amount of fuel you need vs how much thrust you get because the mass of the fuel means that there is a hidden cap on how fast you can reasonably get.

>>12326689
smack into it, deploy a subunit first and hope to get some interesting data watching it explode

Daily reminder, US space program ended the moment he lost elections.

>>12326705
Yes, spare me the cheap ass gotchas for mass and "current engines do not work that way". We don't have "infinite" amounts of fuel either.

>>12326697
Loving the worm

>>12325958
dmitry "i'm an artist" rogozin

>>12326712
Eric Berger says to chill out, we simply don't know for sure that Biden space policy will be shit! Run along concern troll

What's the current word on SN8? Haven't had a chance to follow along the last week or so. I heard they supposedly started road closures last night or today?

>>12326730
You're going to be paying for illegal immigrants for the rest of your natural lives. No time to worry about silly things like space exploration.

>>12326730
No one cares about Biden, hes a pushover.
Harris the the concern, shes the shitty one.

>>12326687
Okay is Orion going to be white or silver. Why have I seen so much concept art with a silver capsule? Also yeah I remember Altair lmao

>>12326738
hate to break it to you, but i love cheap mexican labor. it builds starships

>>12325958
First class Dragon 2 is finished bros we got too cocky

>>12326739
b-b-b staw twek

>>12326744
Hate to break it to you, but that's not all you're getting.

>>12326362
The Shenzhou is actually comfy. It looks better than Soyuz and has more room
>t. not Chang but interested in Chang's development

>>12326712

>>12326752
big sexy latina boobas o_O ( . Y . )

>>12326759
>Buy Russian design
>Add smaller astronauts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT6kblEmGGc

>>12326759
they dont even launch it anymore

>>12326337
Fucking weak. Pathetic. Not even trying to be funny. NASA is a shell of its former self

>>12326771
if it makes you feel better, Jim responded with the sentiment "maybe NASA is not for you; this is civilization-changing stuff"

>>12326787
Lazy zoomers absolutely BTFO by their boss. I hope he tracked down the authors of the pussy questions and had them fired lmao

>>12326787
>maybe NASA is not for you; this is civilization-changing stuff
slow and steady fags btfo

>>12326787
absolutely non-acidic and 450nm-pilled

>>12326787
We don’t deserve him he is too powerful

>>12326787
I would love to see Musk put a blue collar Shuttle Era NASA employee on a flight up if they were to time it so that a capsule would be returning around the same time.

They never thought that they would actually go into space, they would send a janitor into space for instance.

>>12326337
>1960
>NASA has no idea what the surface of the moon is like, no rockets able to launch people into orbit, no experience working with humans in space, no technology for EVA, no computers able to safely launch people to the moon, no idea how to land things on the moon etc etc etc etc etc
>they have boots on the moon 9 years later
>2020+
>NASA employees are bitching that their 15 years delayed rocket that's being developed by a 3rd party, and their lunar landing systems, which are also exclusively developed by third parties are being developed to fast
>NASA employees care more about trivial things like leisure and consumption versus finally completing a decades delayed program
What is the work ethic at NASA??? Why do they hire literal retards and lazy fucks when the success of the program could save humanity from all of it current flaws lmao

>>12326853
Everyone got used to delays and a slow cost-plus environment and suddenly when they are met with timetables they cannot process. Not to mention NASA only hired autistic back in the early days- and especially if you were a person of color you REALLY had to show your worth to get hired. Now it’s affirmative action hires and white liberals who just went try-hard in college to get a long resume but in reality no one is cut out for the job

>>12326541
D E P O T S

>>12326853
They started degenerating practically immediately. Apollo had no followup, Skylab was cool but it was a step back and the ISS and Shuttle are perhaps the biggest boondoggles in human history that actually survived the planning stage

>>12326853
This happened. And it will happen to SpaceX overtime as well as career driven parasites infest it wanting to leech of the prestige.

>>12326884
We learned soooo much valuable information from the ISS namely that prolonged untreated exposure to micro gravity can cause health problems!
Imagine if we relied only on the russians and their experience with the Mir.

>>12326895
you forgot the last step where the entity gets a fat bail-out and continues existing via government life support

>>12326541
Starship launches a beefier version of the Dawn probe with even moar xenon gas
Dawn probe uses spectrometers and sheeeit to decide what color planet 9 would be

police at the road block. Testing in a few hours, hopefully

>>12326912
I share this board with people who know that Planet X isn’t real, right?

>>12326915
people still walking around on the pad though

>>12326764
>not sweaty mexican ballsacks
( Y )
| |

>>12326895

>>12326920
? it's called planet 9, and it's very real.

Which one was the best?

>>12326920
That anon said it was HYPOTHETICAL, of course I know Nibiru or whatever isn't real.

>>12326915
Give it up man

>>12326928
Vostok because the pilot literally had to slide out backwards and parachute out. Fucking awesome if you ask me

>>12326920
Clearly we share a board with people who can't read and understand words such as "hypothetical".

>>12326928

>>12326939
Cute buran!

>>12326933
no

>>12326939
Fuck Buran, I wanna see Kliper return.

>>12326938
Oh my bad. You said the word hypothetical once in the 4 paragraph long diatribe about Planet X being real. My bad.

>>12326939

>>12326946
there's actually pretty good evidence for a massive object corraling orbits out there, between earth and neptune sized. if it exists, the Vera Rubin observatory will find it

>>12326944
this?

Chinese space plane about to blow all these out of the water

>>12326965

>>12326969
hey, those chairs are taking up the fuel tank :(

Why has there yet to be any rocket that surpassed the aesthetics of soyuz?

>>12326928
>Includes unfinished capsules like PPTS and dreamchaser
>Includes failures like Starliner, but excludes Buran
>doesn't include manned starship or the Indian poo capsule
Lame

>>12326976
I think it was made before starship design was finalized.
How the poos shown off their orbital capsule yet?

>>12326980
Yes. Behold the Gaganyaan.

>>12326984
Heres a better view with the service module attached

>>12326984
Curry-flavored gumdrop

>>12326984
The first flight will actually be in just a few months. The payload will be this robot, Vyommitra. India feels it's more ethical than launching dog or monkey trials like the US and USSR did, as both an inanimate object and a woman the Vyommitra has no inherit value whatsoever.

India expects to have their first Gaganaut in orbit before 2022.

>>12326984
W-why is it poo colored?

>>12326965

No, he is talking about this.

>>12326971
dude guys

guys listen

I have the BEST idea guys list-

guys check this shit out

This is the best idea ever guys I swear to god

guys listen

OK PAY CLOSE ATTENTION CAUSE HERE IT IS:
.......put your passengers....

***INSIDE THE FUEL TANK***

Give then scuba gear and a fuckton of insulation

BOOM. Now just make your whole fucking ship a fuel tank and it can still carry passengers!

>>12326973
Buran did
>Most advanced launch system of the 80s
>Same dirty, dusty launch area
>Everything is bombed out and run down
>Rocket is dirty and covered in dust and grime

>>12326984
Kek it even looks like a little turd nuggy

>>12326990
>dual SRB
This is going to be one bowel shaking ride.

>>12326964
There was, and now it’s been debunked.

>>12326993
>>12326984
10 Gaganyaan launches have been scheduled with a total combined cost of $610 million, which by oldspace standards is actually really impressive. Here's their domestic spacesuit.

>>12326984
Oh, you’ll be gaggin allright.

>>12327005
>even poos show that spaceflight can be ran efficiently
oldspace bfto

>>12326997
Why wouldn’t this work

>>12326984
>>12326993
>>12327005
Everything India does is somehow disgusting and adorable at the same time

>>12327011
They're using expendable rockets and expendable capsules. Just somehow ones that are a third cheaper than even the mass-produced Soviet ones.

>>12327012
What's liquid fuel have to be pressurized at?

>>12326384
That would unironically be based

>>12327016
First Poonaut human debris in leo when?

>>12326310
>send 2 women of colour to the moon
>it's actually 2 white men who pretended to identify as black women
>dab on the moon while trannies seethe

>>12326895
It's just the cycle of empire applies to funds. It happens to everything, SpaceX will experience it but it will be succeeded by something more vibrant and forward looking as well. In the meantime, we have a long time before SpaceX reaches its apex.

>>12326999
>Buran was made because the soviets couldn't figure out what the point of the shuttle was
>it's actually expensive as fuck, but they claim that it exists because it's cheaper?
>it can't even lift that much
>those yankees must be up to something
>figured America was playing 4D chess and using the Shuttle for some clever military operations
>like capturing soviet satellites and bringing them to the USA to study
>in reality it was just a piece of shit design-by-congress design and a disappointment in every area aside from looks

>>12327037
I like to think the whole finale of the Cold War was the Soviets being driven to ruin because they truly believed the Americans were just pretending to be retarded

>>12326870
>tfw went to a try-hard college, got a modest resume, and NASA still will wont hire me

>>12327039
>"comrade... what if they're just honest-to-god retarded?"
>"GET THE FUCK OUT"

>>12327041
this image breaks my heart every time

>>12327005
10 launches...to where??? they dont have a space station

>>12327043
>years later after the fall of soviet russia when the ex party commissar realizes NASA was infact retarded and he sent ivan with his dangerous talk to the gulag to die for nothing.
>blyat

>>12327002
link?

>>12327018
Depends on the fuel I suppose.

>today = preburner + raptor inspection
>tomorrow = static fire + raptor inspection
>thursday = launch
???

>>12327006
fucking kek

>>12326973
I'm sorry, but N1 is in a league of its own.

>>12327053
Same place the Vostok and Mercury launches went

>>12327065
The "flying skyscraper" aesthetic

>>12326973
must have felt great in 1970 when it seemed like it was only upwards and onwards from the Saturn V... The optimism they must have had back then...

>>12326231
>modern rocket with infinite fuel would hit c in like a week
~5 g sustained for a week would be
(5 x 9.8 m/s^2) * (7 x 24 x 60 x 60)
= 29,635,200 m/s, which is just about 10% light speed. So you're off by about an order of magnitude, at least before you consider the relativistic effects of getting closer to light speed reducing your rate of acceleration. That being said the only things of any significant mass that will ever achieve acceleration tracks of this length will be lightsail spacecraft accelerated by mega-lasers that use a significant fraction of an entire star's output to power them.

>>12327060
Get a load of Mr. Optimist

>>12327065

>>12327076
not thicc enough

>>12327073
Nah, vietnam war&race wars&commies killed most of that hope.

>>12327065
God it looked fucking amazing

>>12327072
Beauty is often by limitations. Spherical fuel tanks are untapped territory in aesthetics in launchers at the moment.
>>12327076
Wider!

>>12327085
There's nothing quite like it.

>>12327058
There’s a bunch of crap for both camps but come on, it’s obviously detection bias

>>12327090
ultima based. are there any high res scans of N1? Gotta be somewhere

>>12326569
Set exposure time longer, dummy. How do you think we took pictures of Pluto that look so well lit?

>>12327028
DESIGNATED SHITTING ORBITS

>>12327053
Looks like India plans to have a three seat, 20 ton space station of their own by 2027.

So yeah... Another Salyut.

>>12327091
Is it not unheard of for the solar system to capture a rogue planet or something way out in the oort cloud tho? Hell, even stars themselves pass within our own star system if you look at it across geologic time scales. It isn't unheard of to think there might be a huge piece of mass out there that got caught and has slightly perturbed the inner orbits of everything else

>>12327053
Kashmir and/or Pakiston-China

>>12327091
i havent seen any other good explanation for the weird resonance orbits of kuiper belt objects

>>12327053
They're planning on making one pretty soon after the first manned launch

>>12327060
At this rate launch will be next year.

>>12327112
imagine the smell

trump will be back, he will save space

>>12326973
>Saturn V
>13/0
Imagine if one failed, that would have been one hell of an explosion.

>>12327106
You mean bombing Pakistan/China?

>>12326944
мaя ниггa

>>12327105
Okay yeah it’s as possible as aliens are then. Sure.

>>12327129
>Claiming Obama era policies as his own
Trump is a hack and a fraud, all of the recent successes are because of Obama

>>12327131
Yeah I had a typo

>>12327076
wide putin starts playing

>>12326541
Since no one else is being that serious, I'll play along;

Probe is going to use a kilopower reactor for its energy supply. No use for solar panels that far out and no reason to have them close to the Sun because of how fast this thing is gonna be yeeting itself out there.
For its method of travelling that far out, the answer is a plasma magnet sail. Offers huge delta V for moving away from the Sun, maximum speed of ~400 km/s. Stopping at Typhon appears to be a problem at first, but knowing giant planets, Typhon WILL have a magnetic field, and in fact it will have the biggest magnetosphere of all the planets, due to the Sun's magnetic field being so weak that far out. Plasma magnet sail propulsion would let us do full-speed transfers to Neptune, which has a magnetosphere that's big but definitely smaller than Typhon's would be. Therefore 400 km/s outward cruise AND a 400 km/s delta V braking maneuver at the destination are both viable options.
Depending on Typhon's position relative to the ecliptic plane, we may need to do an inclination change on the way out, which would be best accomplished by doing a gravity assist at a lower interplanetary cruising speed, then accelerating to top speed afterwards. Jupiter would be best for this, probably.
For maneuvers once actually at Typhon, the probe would use its reactor to power an HDLT propulsion system (if you don't know, likely to be the best electric thruster design, thrust beats ion drives and energy economy beats VASIMR).

As for lander probes, it'd probably be better to let those wait for mission number two, which need not be three decades later because the high speed trajectory involved here means it takes just about 6 years to travel the ~500 AU necessary. If mission 1 carries ten tons of scientific equipment for on-orbit study of moons and the planet itself, mission 2 can carry a ten ton lander, or four 2.5 ton landers, which would be mostly common in payload experiments and overall design.

>>12327135
true, but he will be back, and he will save space. maybe on trump tv he will invite astronauts to speak

>>12326973
Never realized Falcon 9 is tallest current rocket.

>>12327092
I'm afraid not for all I know, though our ruskie bros could be of help, most of the older sources I had are gone or I cannot find them anymore. Some good N1 stuff in sites such as
>http://www.starbase1.co.uk/pages/N1-Galleries/index.html (much content with descriptions too, albeit many pictures are watermarket)
>http://www.astronautix.com/n/n1.html (classic with great content and all the designs and sketches like the famous N1-MOK)
>http://celestiasws.free.fr/pages_en/N1-Lune_en.html
>https://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/ (should have stuff but can't find it anymore)

>>12327076
>>12327086
Thicker!

>>12327141
>his proposal uses plasma magnet sails AND hdlt’s with kilopower
BASED

>>12326587
>>12326608
>>12326649
>>12326689
see >>12327141

>>12327141
Just curious, how would you go about doing a plane change if you have no idea where you are going or what is even there? Would you do a plane change to try and get to the hypothetical orbit that models where the planet WOULD be should it exist?

https://spacenews.com/biden-administration-expected-to-emphasize-climate-science-over-lunar-exploration-at-nasa/

we are going

>>12327163
At least the comments at the bottom of the article are based

>>12327163
Imagine my shock

>>12326738
whiny fragile conservative pussy

>>12327171
see >>12327163

Enjoy your white man's burden. No, not the Kipling fantasy.

>>12327163
What a nice post to see right before going to sleep.

>>12327177
immigration is based

>>12327135
>Claiming Obama era policies as his own
Polices such as? Commercial Crew was a Bush Jr. policy

>>12327163
oh no who could have seen this coming

>>12327171
>>12327188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

>>12327163
>climate science
Isn't that NOAA's job?

>>12327196
SHUT UP MY CHILD

>>12327196
Nobody has ever heard of the NOAA.

>>12327163
>LiStEn To ThE sCiEnTiStS

Anybody here who thinks they are going to find planet nine in our lifetime?
I mean, it's probably not a planet, but more and more people believe there is still something large and heavy out there at the edge of our solar system.
Why cant we see it?

>>12327196
Remember Charles Bolden? As NASA administrator, he declared that the agency's main priorities were:

>fighting climate change
>encouraging education
>outreach to the Islamic world
"Putting shit in space" didn't quite make the list

>>12327163
thank god for spacex

>>12327207
>outreach to the Islamic world
Wait how did he justify this one in the scope of NASA?

>>12327162
In the hypothetical, we've already discovered the planet and know where it is. I'm not suggesting we just throw a probe out there and hope we hit the target, that'd be silly.

>>12327211
>sOrRy eLoN sWeeTiE, bUt yOu oNlY gEt tO lAuNcH cLiMaTe mOniTorInG sAtElIteS fRoM nOw oN!

>>12327207
dumb fucking monkey, cant stand bolden. he would say the dumbest shit then get defensive about it during interviews

>>12327214
Because anybody who complained about it was racist, duh

https://www.space.com/8725-nasa-chief-bolden-muslim-remark-al-jazeera-stir.html

anyone knowledgeable about dream chaser? what’s the load factor limit of that craft

>>12327207
https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2010/0714/NASA-chief-says-agency-s-goal-is-Muslim-outreach-forgets-to-mention-space
What the hell was wrong with that time of NASA?

>>12327224
Outreach doesn't cost money and Obama had all but gutted the budget.

>>12327218
Says who? SpaceX could just buy their space exploration stuff from companies through bypassing NASA

>>12327227
He did one better than that. He actually increased the budget, but canceled all the programs. They had $20+ billion and nothing they were allowed to spend it on since Shuttle and Constellation were gone.

>>12327207
>“SLS will go away… because at some point commercial entities are going to catch up... They are really going to build a heavy lift launch vehicle sort of like SLS that they will be able to fly for a much cheaper price than NASA can do SLS. That’s just the way it works.”
Top 10 anime redemptions

>>12327230
>>12327218
>>12327211
Starlink does seem to be SpaceX's plan to get fuck you money so they can just colonize the solar system themselves without having to worry about any asshole government

>>12327227
>>12327230
No wonder things got so depressing in spaceflight that I lost interest in it

>>12327129
Cope

>>12327230
I don't think you understand how this shit really works. A rocket is considering an intercontinental ballistic missile. That's why everyone has their balls in a vice regarding ITAR and so on when it comes to working on them and moving shit out of the country and so on.
That means nothing gets launched without permission, nothing moves anywhere without permission.

And who the fuck do you think gives out permission?

>>12327237
Meant to reply to >>12327227 and >>12327231

>>12327163
WHY CAN'T THEY DO BOTH?!
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER!
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE NASA TO FOCUS ON CLIMATE SHIT INSTEAD OF THE NOAA?!
ECOFASCISTS JUST WANT TO USE NASA AS A WEAPON TO FIGHT CLIMATE DENIERS BY SAYING "NASA SAYS IT'S REAL DUMBASS SO HAND OVER ALL YOUR RIGHTS"
FUCK THIS GAY EARTH

>>12327244
Because white people don't get to even dream about escaping the debtor's prison.

So the Deep Space Gateway is never going to actually exist, right?

>>12327240
>And who the fuck do you think gives out permission?
The FAA, who does not care about the ethics of spaceflight as long as they get to hand out licenses and make up more paperwork.

>>12327237
>No wonder things got so depressing in spaceflight that I lost interest in it
I was a big spaceflight fan growing up but I lost interest in it once I realized how much of a shitshow it was. SpaceX has rekindled my interest though and I'm more into spaceflight in general than ever before.

>>12327248
Congratulations. Who do think runs that shitshow? Really runs that shitshow?
Politicians.

>>12327204
I think we just had a close encounter with another Star system at some point and it fucked up the orbits of some oort cloud objects. That being said a Planet 9 that is too small and too dark to see is a definant possibility.

>>12327235
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-nasa-director-says-muslim-outreach-push-deeply-flawed
>NASA ... represents the best of America. Its purpose is not to inspire Muslims or any other cultural entity,

>>12327204
>Why cant we see it?
We may see its effects on orbits. Neptune was discovered 200 years ago before it had been directly observed (or at least observed with knowledge of what it was). Unfortunately current research done into it shows that there could be something very very far away, however "superficial" observations have cast much doubt into anything of significant size being there, and many theories are just hypotheses to explain "anomalies" in some orbits that are probably unrelated to it. It's a very romantic thing though, I share it fully. Maybe it's one of the early bodies in our system that was thrown out and for some reason settled there, maybe from passing stars nearby. Some madmen even suggested a minuscule black hole in its place.

>>12327247
If I were to place my bets I'd say it'll be the one part of Artemis that survives due to it being low-risk and also an international project

>>12327244
>WHY CAN'T THEY DO BOTH?!
>IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER!
Because alot of people on the left think we should stay on Earth forever.

>>12327250
Same. Started paying more attention to space news after the Falcon Heavy

Daily Reminder we will never have manned interstellar spaceflight and it is extremely unlikely large numbers of humans will ever live on Mars.

Sorry to burst your little delusions s o i b o i s

>>12327244
Don't you dare pin this shit on us ecofascists. Moving polluting industry off world is policy number one after any hypothetical purge.

>>12327247
It's being built right now though? Lots of countries and companies are now deep into the program.

>>12327251
Politicians who can't single out companies from doing perfectly legal business without causing massive public backlash.

>>12327260
man the double landing is still so cool. It's too bad we don't get to watch it more often.

>>12327204
>Why cant we see it?
Because it's cold and far as fuck away, and we've hardly started looking.

>>12327247
If it can survive Obama, then it can survive Biden

>>12327256
>>12327247
>>12327265
Just this March SpaceX announced that they were hired to design a new Dragon variant specifically for Deep Space Gateway resupply missions

That seems like serious tea leaves that DSG is a go but there's no confidence in SLS/Orion to go with it

>>12327265
Lots of things are being built right now. Doesn't mean they'll actually go anywhere.

>>12327260
This is a cool novelty and all, but makes no sense on paper
reusing boosters may seem practical but if you look at refurbishment costs of other reusable crafts like the space shuttle it was super expensive so Falcon 9 reuse makes no sense it's too expensive and we might as well just use more traditional methods that gets more Delta V, since you waste a lot for return

>>12327275
>That seems like serious tea leaves that DSG is a go but there's no confidence in SLS/Orion to go with it
>the rocket that oldspace says couldn't go to BEO is going to Gateway in place of SLS
B to the T to the F to the O

>>12327254
He couldn’t have had these revelations while administrator? Oh well at least he’s coming around.

>>12327265
Jim did a great job getting other countries to buy into Artemis. Makes the whole thing harder to cancel.
I don't think NASA would build Gateway AND cancel manned lunar missions. That would be ridiculous.
Biden will probably just order his Boeing buddies to drag their feet more on SLS so nothing gets done

>>12327262
Nobody could even begin to fathom things such as SR71s flying when Wrights made their powered flight. Sixty years, merely a few generations, between their simple gliders to this. If rocketry takes off for good this time we may not be able to grasp how quickly it may evolve. Sure, there's the whole going into fucking space without a comfortable atmosphere and gravity to keep you on the ground, but we've progressed far since then.

>>12327278
Ok blunderf00t. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>12327277
>NASA
>dipping on sunk costs
ayy lmao

>>12327278
The space shuttle had absolutely wonderful reuse potential on paper that it never lived up to because it was a piece of shit. The simplest most basic premise of the Starship is actually "What if the fucking space shuttle worked like it was supposed to in 1971"

>>12327280
He probably couldn't say those revelations out loud as admin because that would've been career suicide

>>12327194
Yeah that’s why the Charlie Brown comic.

>>12327285
You could do that with two Starships.

>>12327297
I picked that specifically because Jim himself said "It's not going to be Lucy and the football this time around".

>>12327298
Ass to ass rotating Starships. Kino

>>12327283
There were only 40 years between Wright anf this.

>>12327304
aged like cryogenic ozone oxidizer apparently

>>12327293
>upper right is just two fuel tank stacks welded together in an arrow witha bunch of rocket motors welded to the the back
Looks like something ide make in KSP

>>12327310
Well, when he said it, the first thing that popped into my head was "yeah I've heard that one before".
Jim is just two years older than me. I lived through the exact same bullshit he talked about living through.

>>12327163
I Heckin Love Scicen!!!!

>>12327329
>With its declaration of victory, the Biden campaign has started to roll out its transition plans, including a website that outlines the incoming administration’s four priorities: COVID-19, economic recovery, racial equity and climate change.

Sucks to be you then. Because science is not on the menu. The religion of "science" is however.

>>12327196
yes. They don't care. It's not about doing climate shit it's just an excuse to gut NASA.

>>12327278
good thing not everything is as trash and the shuttle

Pad is clear now. Action still probably a good few hours off, though. Lord please let there be a SF today to counteract this shit news

>>12327282
>I don't think NASA would build Gateway AND cancel manned lunar missions. That would be ridiculous.
The original plan was just to build Gateway with a long term goal of someday returning to the Moon. The lunar landing only got accelerated because Trump wanted an ego project to happen under his presidency

>>12327204
it's been seen
https://youtu.be/v4pF1vzFLKA

>>12327380
>Trump wanted an ego project to happen under his presidency
And he would have pulled it off if he had a second term.
Lets be serious here, spaceX would probably deliver.

>>12327380
>The lunar landing only got accelerated because Trump wanted an ego project to happen under his presidency
That did more than the last three administrations combined

>>12325148
Autism.

>>12327469
Eeeeeeeeeuuuuuuugh that made me physically cringe

>>12327141
10 MWe plasma magnet sails hauling 100,000 ton cargo pallets to Neptune orbit when?

>>12327236
Actually Musk together with Bezos and other space companies that supposed to work on Artemis could make their own Private Aeronautics and Space Agency - PASA
Bezos has almost unlimited money and Starlink will probably earn more money for spacex than NASA budget.

>>12327535
>Musk together with Bezos
lmfao never going to happen

>>12326094
>so-what-about-n
NO, SENATOR! DON'T DO IT!

>>12327545
>SLS
>ever going to space

>>12327545
>15 years
>$18 billion
>zero launches

>a best case scenario where you might get ONE (1) $2.5 billion launch every year or two

>>12327545
NASA should be about paying other people to launch shit into space in a pro-competitive and hands off way. It has proven that it not only lacks the engineering capability to put anything into space but also the administrative capability to run a successful mission on its own.

>>12326089

It'll coast along.

>2 launches needed to break the yearly record
will they do it?

>>12327571
easily

>>12327556
This. NASA should be incentivizing/supporting the commercial space industry and be performing cutting-edge R&D that for-profit organizations struggle to do

>>12327571
>even with covid
impressive

>>12327587
>>12327556
US only competition is not competitive at all, NASA should let the Chinese and Indians bid

>>12327545
>SLS is real

>>12327613
I'd be fine with the poos, honestly. Fuck China though

>>12327616
imagine how cheap Starship would be if SpaceX was a Chinese company

>>12327613
Cry more globalist, your lot shrilly extolls the virtues of the chinks all day but deep down you fear American revival.

>>12327628
>reusable hypergolic rocket
>expendable village landing pad

>>12327615
>Let’s be very honest. We don’t have a commercially available heavy-lift vehicle. The Falcon 9 Heavy may some day come about. It’s on the drawing board right now. SLS is real.

> makes amazing videos about spaceflight on YT
> absolute fucking nigger on twitter

y r u like this scott

>>12327613
>ignores the competition between US launch providers

>>12327628
It would make the space shuttle look like the safest and most reliable vehicle ever conceived

>>12327644
>first official flight of a commercial crew spacecraft ushering in a new age of commercial and private spaceflight and carrying new implications on how man should explore space
>focuses on the race of the astronauts riding the spacecraft
Talk about being tone deaf

>>12327644
>be scottish
>has retarded political views
Pottery.

>>12327644
>which isn't all white dudes
Expedition 64 was launched no less than a month ago with a woman on board you absolute mong

>>12327644
He's a rich, privileged, California white guy who works at a gigacorp. I'm surprised he's not 100x worse.

>>12327644
>it’s real
Fuck’s sake.

>>12327628
Imagine how not working it would be since F9 would never have happened in the first place in China.
China doesn't innovate. They either buy old shit from Russia and reverse engineer it or steal and make a poor copy that's heavier, larger and underperforms.

>>12327644
Tim Dodd isn't even this cucked

>>12327644
We were past this shit in the 90s, Scott.
But you had to make a big fucking stink about everything. Why?

>>12327644
I'm with the artificial womb guys now, let's finish them before 2028 and have an all-male Mars colony
boypussy welcome

>>12327666
Doesn't count sweaty, just look at those lying digits. The white man will be phased out of spaceflight until only AOC (astronauts of color) will be flying aboard orion as the rest of the money will be spent on climate satellites to protect our space ship, mother earth. Go team humanity!

>>12327690
>Not replicant waifus with full production facility for waifus and replacement/augmentation organs

based

>>12327644
lmao triggered

>>12327690
Sounds like a real paradise, anon.
Sign me up!

why does it take so long for shit to start moving after the pad has been cleared?

>>12327644
someone call him a fuckung nigger, scott thinks he's safe? someone make a fucking twitter account and call him a goddamn nigger

>>12327704
I swear to god, homer hickam and mike mcculloch must have wonder woman’s whip or something. They just drop redpills with no filter 24/7 lmao

>>12327721
one guy has to write "I will not load the lox tank before the methane tank" one thousand times on a blackboard while everyone else watches before they start

>>12327628
It would also be nonfunctional because China's QC is nonexistant. Half the steel of the Chinaship would be fucking pig-iron. They don't even have the metallurgy necessary to manufacture an engine like Raptor with it's ultra high temperature turbomachinery including a very oxygen rich loop.

>>12327704
True

>>12327738
>because China's QC is nonexistant
That's for things you buy off aliexpress

>>12327735
is that how they blew up one of the prior SNs?

>>12327725
Holy cow calm down anon, 99% of people know he’s a fucking cuck. He’s just doing the equivalent of fishing for (you)s from conservatives and trying to get confirmation from his echo chamber kind of like how we talk about liberals here. I imagine if any twitter space liberal saw a screenshot of /sfg/ they would feel the same way we do about seeing scott’s amazingly asinine twitter account

>>12327163
that's not a real article, it's just speculation by some autist. it's made for outrage clicks from space nerds and you're falling for it

>>12327750
im calm im calm. i just get triggered easily by the race shit. i want to hurt people who are dumb

>>12327732
Holy alliteration batman. Both of their names sound fake hahah

>>12327704
Tabula rasa, baby.

>>12327754
the last good democrat for space was JFK

>>12327749
It collapsed SN3, I got the order wrong though the top tank is the methane (which makes sense being less dense and less massive)

>>12327758
Yeah scott is a retard who should not have access to the internet. Scotland in general should be wiped from the face of the earth but that's a discussion for another time

>>12327758
The only race discussion on /sfg/ should be space races. Rallying in particular

>>12327704
Based WV hickman, he even retweets James Woods

>>12327773
I want to see space Evel Knievel jump over the Sea of Tranquility

>>12327787
>smugcernan.jpg

>>12327747
Oh so China buys it's skyscrapers off of aliexpress, which is why they are continuously collapsing when structural beams meant to be steel reinforced concrete are infact hollow shells filled with garbage pig iron and packing foam?

>>12327796
Post five (5) examples.

>>12327796
>Oh so China buys it's skyscrapers off of aliexpress
Yes, hence the packing foam