/sci/ - Science & Math

>fucking heat shields
wtf what year is it? where the FUCK are my sweaty rockets? i thought elon was serious about innovation

>>12642766
DOLPHIN SEX

Fuck you.

>>12642766
Can't wait for the cinematics of this

Ahem, fuck government regulations. I am ready, strap my body to a Starship and launch me to Washington in minecraft

No dorks allowed

Based OP.

>>12642803
>/sci/

>>12642790
>cgi rocket
lmao

maybe we start a new general on /out/ that isn't filled with adhd zoomers.

>>12642809
Nerds are fine, just no dorks.

Shoop da woop

>>12642766
Fret not brother, I will avenge your scrub

Musk is going to get take down by SEC and there's nothing you can do about it.

Stock market manipulations worker abuse and racism will not be tolerated any longer.

>>12642815
BASED

>>12642815
>don't talk to me or my sons ever again

>>12642815
Starship Heavy

>>12642815
I'd kill for those drone videos

Does /sci/ think we will see a human on the moon again by 2040?

I'm sure the moon flyby by SpaceX will succeed before 2030. I think China will get a proper space station in orbit by 2025.

But actual boots on the ground at luna? I'm not so sure about it happening by 2040.

>>12642815
The prophecy

>>12642844
>2040
We'd be lucky if we got boots on the ground by 2060 to be honest and we might never. Protecting the lunar ecology and potential future life that might emerge there, no matter how unlikely, is too vital to throw away for some political stunt.

>>12642822
>>12642844
Please go back

Ahem

FUCK FAA

>>12642864

spaceX is always doing something, love it

>>12642881
>Did you get through to the FAA?
>yeah but all I heard on the other end of the line were gargling noises. I don't think they're approving today
>well shit, now I'm bored
>Hey take SN10 out for a stroll, that'll be cool

>>12642787
its better i think because descent will be slower so heat shield doesn't matter as much

THE AUGURIES HAVE BEEN TAKEN AND GOOD OMENS WERE FOUND FOR LAUNCHING STARSHIP NEXT WEEK

STARSHIP SNIX IS READY TO HOP ON MONDAY WITH FORTUNA'S BLESSING
STARSHIP SNX IS LEAVING THE BAY AND WILL BEGIN PREP FOR TESTING

ALSO
THE NEXT STARLINK LAUNCH HAS BEEN MOVED TO JAN 31
ANOTHER STARLINK LAUNCH IS SCHEDULED FOR FEB 4


THIS LAUNCH UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY GAMESTOP
POWER TO THE PLAYERS

>>12642864

next spacex crew launch is on 4/20/2021

major kek confirmed

https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1355230929011281928

>>12642875
underrated

>SN10 falls

SN10 SMASHING THE GATE
IT WON'T BE STOPPED

>>12642851
cute!

>>12642902
Hitler's birthday.

I was being serious btw. Does anyone have a good argument about humans on the moon by 2040.

>>12642902
nice.

>>12642912
define argument.

>>12642912
19 years is a long time anon.

Starhopper: Peter at the gate.

>>12642919
Not for SLS

FAA hates this one Starship trick. Click for more.

>>12642930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAj4_1PLLL0

>Got banned on labpadre stream for shit talking the FAA

why are mods always so fucking gay? Why would you white knight for these beauracrat fucks.

This is our generation's version of pic related

>>12642912
Artemis is still on the cards for now. Dear Moon is even more likely and the OG moon landings were barely a year after the first orbit. Not decades.

The Chinese are a promising mystery. They might just pull it off this decade.

>>12642936
libel probably. they don't off you they're likely to get offed themselves.

>>12642919
19 years ago compared to now barely has any differences in terms of space technology. I mean the fucking ISS is already 23 years old and it's still the best we've done.

I can see starship doing a flyby before 2030 after a couple of years of tests, then orbiting tests, then crew tests before finally flying by the moon in the late 2020s.

But actually landing people on the moon would be a whole extra level of complexity and contingencies. I just don't think it's realistic.

I'm not talking about Mars though because I feel like the moon is most likely going to happen first.

>>12642897
Are you feeling it yet?

>>12642936
I know right, not that airline demand is huge or anything right now but every flight space restriction loses somebody a little bit of fuel cost money so they might as well let them use it.

BN1 nearly done lads

>For each day you do not grant flight approval I shall roll out another Starship. Do you test me, FAA?

We are living in the golden age bros. We will look back at these times like "wow yup that was so exciting". Don't take starship development for granted

>>12642790
This thread is for actual rockets that exists

>>12642941
>19 years of stagnation compared to today
We're developing and testing at a much greater rate today

>>12642944
orbit this year (elon timeline)

next year for sure

>>12642947
Defeatism. This is only the beginning.

>>12642944
It's so tall.

Is that a tesla police car in the right side of the screen?

Guys....

>>12642958

>>12642944
Do we know what testing regime the booster will undergo? It seems like 150-1000 meters is the limit for vertical hop testing (as seen with F9).

>>12642930

>>12642965

>>12642953
this
>one, maybe two launches a year
>a rover is going somewhere, maybe next decade
>iss
>oh look at this half-assed 90s cgi
that we have a grain silo with a launch cadence several hundred percent higher than what we had in the millennium, on top of regular leo launches and loads of exciting stuff going on generally should make you all pleased.

So now we have the people mad from last thread deliberately resposting images
I'm going to kill all faggots one day

>>12642951
Paper rockets should at least be entertaining. SLS is like a 35 year old who swears he's going to get a real job and move out any day now.

>>12642973
The future is now. The dark ages before SpaceX made it big sucked.
>Hey SLS is coming in six years :)
>Did you hear about the cool new Mars Rover we’re landing in eight years!!!!
>We only built one btw space is hard
>SLS will bring people to Mars by uh doing stuff

>>12642965
blessed image

we're making it happen lads

>>12642965
How close together are suborbital pad A and B??

>>12642978
>they are intentional, no?
Would seem so.

>>12642975
We could've had this instead of SLS

>>12642982
Maybe like 200 feet? Look on a map

>>12642973
>>12642977
I'm trying but I can't recall the last time where there were no launches of any kind to watch for a long stretch of time, there's always something going up somewhere, or something being tested. It's exciting.

>>12642965
It's been a long road..

>>12642977
imo what we need now is another musk. or a jeff that delivers. someone to put the pressure on who will chuck a cheeky billion or few and getting people on mars. preferably chinese or russian because that will nullify usually safe and steady regulatory bodies.

>>12642896
based roman news, may Mercury blessings fall upon you

>>12642986
can you spoonfeed me

>>12642974
It was only a matter of time before /sfg/ got ruined from the increased popularity of spaceflight and newfags refusing to assimilate.

>>12642997
the contour lines have numbers written next to them.

>>12642987
The old age started to die back when SpaceX revealed that they were landing boosters in the ocean (2013 or so). Then they showed videos about rockets failing at landing on barges in 2015 before finally sticking it with OG2. I think the end of the old era came when they landed B1021 on the barge in 2016. Falcon Heavy killed OldSpace outright in 2018.

>>12643007
The FH maiden flight was the nail in the coffin. Most kino livestream I've ever watched

>>12642875
IS THAT A JAY JONAH JAMESON REFERENCE?

>>12643004
Right, because 4chan was always about going with the current and assimilating
Go fuck yourself for even thinking so tbqhwyf

>>12642991
>or a jeff that delivers
If NASA and the USAF keeps resultspilling Blue Origin then Bezos might be forced to abandon the "slow and steady" approach with spaceflight

Boeing:
>Welp, that's one bolt installed, guess it's time for a year long vacation.
SpaceX:
>FAA is being dick heads, let's roll out our second rocket, and in a week, we'll pull out a fucking third one.

>>12643014
>resultspilling
lmao

>>12643012
we're just (mainly) some guys in our 30s+ that want to discuss rocket engineering and space related sciences. why can't we have one place?

>>12642872
BASED

>>12642864
love that glint of light

>>12643021
You act like this place is ruined, just shut the fuck up and enjoy the show and discussion like everyone else. Sorry your safe space isn't as intimate as it used to feel.

>>12642984
https://youtu.be/P-xiWn4n8JE
This is nice, but this
https://youtu.be/EgtmR9IRalQ
is the thing we should have had in the first place

>>12643026
>and enjoy the show
oh ffs

>>12643012
>>12643026
You're not doing anything besides spitting in the face of people who want to use /sfg/ without being disrupted by your attention seeking behavior and shitposting, it has nothing to do with "thinking for yourself" or whatever cliché bullshit. This is the last (you) you're getting from me, you cancerous fuck.

>>12643028
as in rockets launching. what is your problem?

>Stop with the FAA chat NOW. Thanks

>>12643028
I'll let you enjoy THIS show *zips pants to reveal rocket*

>>12643004
Yeah it's been getting increasingly uncomfy. You know we've reached the beginning of the end when furfags start showing up and spamming their porn.

what the fuck was this about?

>>12643033
>your
No I'm responding to people who won't shut the fuck up and just post normally.

>>12643012
Yeah, until gaymergays and electionfags it was. Arguably even after leejunfags, even though not as much as it should have been.

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>>12643040
Ambien and autism don't always mix well I'm afraid

>>12642965
still blows my mind that starship (2nd stage) is larger than the big orange tank

>>12643049

>>12643049
Until I see windows my mind simply cannot process how large Starship is

>>12643049
Shuttles still cooler. I know it shouldn't be but I can't shake the nostalgia.

Hopefully the final manned Starship will close the gap.

>>12643017
It's like they're just doing this to flex and say "Look
we got rockets to fly here, you gonna get your shit together and do your job or what?"
>>12643010
That really helped put spaceflight in front of normalfags, the meme cargo was absolutely a good idea and awesome.

>>12643040
Falcon 9 second stage return and reuse. The idea was to place a payload in orbit, then send the 2nd stage back towards earth. It would inflate a giant balloon of sorts to prevent terminal velocity on reentry so it wouldn't burn up in the atmosphere.
Kinda like a parachute would.
But the idea was abandoned.

>>12643053

>>12643056
yeah, it's really hard to judge scale. Some startship pictures with workers right next to it help but without that the brain doesn't do a good job.

>>12643056
you can get a good idea with the people around though

>>12643059
>It would inflate a giant balloon of sorts to prevent terminal velocity on reentry so it wouldn't burn up in the atmosphere.
like ULA's SMART idea, you mean?

>>12643061
venture star was pretty thicc

>>12643040
Elon shitpost

>>12643043
>Purposely using the wing form of you're in a correction attempt post.
If you're going to troll, at least try harder so when you're reported for trolling outside of /b/, the ban will be longer.

>>12643061
Holy fuck. Now imagine shuttle compared to ITS kek

>>12643068
What? No I was quoting when he accused me of being the one to shitpost. It wasn't a typo correction.
Seriously... I want you to die.

>>12643061
starship is also ~35ft taller than the Saturn V

>>12643065
>like ULA's SMART idea, you mean?
IIRC, SMART still used parachutes, and only dropped the engines from first stage to be snatched up. Could be wrong on that.

2.3 Starships and not a single fucking SLS... absolute state of oldspace.

>>12643049
>>12643073
So do we know how they're going to stacc SS and SH?

>>12643080
And yet none of them have a flight permit.

how long after Elon first lands on Mars till SpaceX declares independence?

>>12643082
With a big fat crane, presumably. Don't think hopping SS onto SH is an option lmao

>>12643033
yeah literal blog posting xoomers and boomers are the absolute worst cancer to this site. They never were here when this place still had hazing culture and just shit the floor repeatedly.

30k people watching this nigga getting rolled out

>>12643074
>Seriously... I want you to die.
Me too anon, me too.

>>12643073
That pic perfectly represents how much capability NASA lost after Apollo

>>12643083

>>12643079
ah, yeah you're right. Not like that, then.

>>12643082
rumor has it that they have a giant hammerhead crane in storage

>>12643083
wall street isn't the only game that's rigged

>>12643086
Never

>>12643083
Neither does SLS.
Or New Glenn.

>>12643089
Sten can hop

>>12643096
more like RETARD reuse

>>12643073
>Chad Saturn V vs. virgin sts

>>12643102
heh

>>12643079
yea it was engine release and capture and drop the tank.

>>12643061

>second SLS green run test end of february

>>12642936
>chat moving at light speed
>Look ma, I can troll too!
>Janny presses button for the 2569th time
Why do autists think their spew is original and interesting?

>>12643137
Place your bets. Will it pass, fail or blow up this time?

>>12643137
>inb4 FAA holds up SN9, SN10, SN11 all next month

>>12643137
oldspace wasnt a tax theft scam, they were trying their best you got believe me!!!!!

>>12643017
FAA can't handle Elon Musk's speed. NHTSA can't handle Elon Musk's speed. California can't handle Elon Musk's speed.

>>12643137
End of February? Why would we rush the test to the end of March? June is way too soon for a test. Help! This evil South African is making me test by the end of 2021!

>>12643137
they're worried. if the second one fails then i doubt we'll see a launch this side of 2025 if ever.

>>12643149
FAA keeping the African American down. Typical.

>>12643151
If the second one fails then they have to dismantle the SRBs and Artemis 1 gets pushed back like six months lol. It’s already set for November 2021

>>12643145
Another totally-on-purpose successful 1 minute burn of the desired 8 minute green run.
>>12643151
Usually when anons say stuff like "they're worried" about whoever it's just hyperbole, but we all watched that post-test conference. They're definitely nervous.

https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2021/01/29/green-run-update-nasa-proceeds-with-plans-for-second-hot-fire-test/?utm_source=FBPAGE&utm_medium=NASA%27s+Artemis+Program

>Green Run Update: NASA Proceeds With Plans for Second Hot Fire Test

Round 2 Hot Fire Boogaloo

>>12643163
The fact that they seriously considered flying the core stage despite the green run abort isn’t a good thing haha

>>12643166
How many wet dress rehearsals will they mess up before doing this one?

>>12643163
i'd love to be a fly on the wall on how they made this worse than the shuttle. i'd pay money to see an office like documentary on nasa since the 70s.

>>12643169
SLS vore can only fill up like 9 times right? What are they at now?

>>12642930
Should have started it when they were one on top of the other, so that it seems like they are replicating

>>12643178
Documentary? It would take a trilogy of LoTR levels to explain how fucked SLS is

>>12643184
>SLS vore

>>12643184
that was fake its 22 or something, 9 allotted for testing allegedly

>>12642944
We still haven't seen grid fins though, right?

>>12643178
That could make for an excellent Death of Stalin type comedy, especially if SpaceX starts picking up steam in the third act after not even being a factor in the first act.

>>12642944
is it not going to have a skirt?

>>12643040
Idea for F9 second stage recovery, basically a supersonic parachute. It didn't happen because the F9 mass budget is too small for recovery hardware.
It's kinda amazing how the Falcon 9 maximizes what is possible with the technology it is built from, aluminium body, gas generator engines, but it is a technological dead end that can no longer be reasonably improved upon.

>>12642875
3120549841 microseconds in photoshop

Sooooooo.... uh. What if it blows on pad and a chunk blasts SN10?

>>12643239
Useful data for dust storm proofing Starship

>>12643239
SN10 takes the hit and endures.

>>12643217
Whats the comedy skit about that tank that is exactly this?

>>12643217
>Simon Russel Beale as Jim Bridenstine
His initials are even fucking SRB it's perfect

So why exactly are they moving SN10 out to the launch pad when they haven't launched SN9 yet?

What if something goes wrong during the SN9 launch and it blows up SN10?

>>12643252
https://youtu.be/aXQ2lO3ieBA

Pentagon Wars? Apparently the bradley skit is heavily embellished and the author of the book is a wack job who mainly just wrote a funny book, but it is still a great caricature of cost plus MIC design.

Bunch of FAAggots

>>12643259
thats the one

>>12643262
fucking cunts

>>12643262
Yep, this is 100% about that rogue car from a few days ago

>>12643262
>modification
Is that the same modification SN8 got after a static fire caused them to switch out an engine? Because they let that one fucking fly.

>>12643262
??????????????

>>12643275
Did SpaceX bring that up with the FAA? What was their response?

>>12643137
>>12643166
>a second hot fire lasting approximately at least 4 minutes
wtf is this shit

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

>>12643262
fuck them

>>12643166
I thought they fucked engine 4

>>12643292
NOOO ELON STOP

>>12643292
I'm grinnin'.

>>12642815
Now paint the middle one orange and the side ones white.

>>12643292
WATCH OUT SN9 THE 737 MAX IS COMING

>>12643262
Ahhh, good ol' bureaucracy, the bane of all innovation and quality of life. Fuck this bullshit.

>>12643262
tl;dr
>we're still not completely sure no one would be able to pin anything on us if something happens, so paperwork goes brrrrrr

>>12643285
I don't know more than you do anon, but I'm angry.

>>12643298
This.
>>12642815
Do it now, pls

>>12643262
Pencil pushers have been the bane of society for centuries.

>>12643292
100% shooped, nice try though

would you do it, /sfg/? what if you weren't allowed any contact with earth?

>>12643096
reuse
>>12643147
SMART reuse

same company even

>>12643320
fuck erf

>>12643259
The dude was a nutjob. Iirc he wanted the us to build basically expendable CAS planes for tank busting. No electronics barely any avoinics, as cheap as possible. Just shitty jet il-2s was his general idea. Among other stupid ideas, he had.

>>12643320
Most definitely. I would be a mars serf under king Elon instead of an earth serf under the world shekelburg council.

>>12643320
>would you do it, /sfg/?
Yes
>what if you weren't allowed any contact with earth?
I'll just knock up a cute from work then leave, EZ

>>12643320
>bust mars rocks until I die
Yes.

>>12643323
BASED

>>12643320
>REEEEEE THATS SLAVERY

>>12643330
Huh. Very, very based.

Neat
https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1355267141864402947

>>12643320
Why the fuck would I want contact with E*rth?

>>12643320
I already spend all my time in a small enclosed space devoid of human contact outside text so yeah. If I'm not crazy now then space ain't gonna push me around.

>>12643330
>Going fucking insane and then getting better before impregnating your qt kohai and then fucking off to Jupiter.
Hachi was insanely based.

604 days bros

>>12642803
Thank you,, Kevin.

>>12643339
why do they need so many people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z1a1R7RUfM
Saturn 1 documentary, so fucking based.

>>12643073
>>12643091
We need a second space race/cold war.

>>12643358
I want to see a foreign response to starship. I don't care if it's a shitheap, I want to see what happens when they attempt it.

>>12643358
It's happening, with China.
Also internally between Old and New.

>>12643304
>>12643298
Here, is this gay enough?

>>12643073
Even the picture quality got worse.

>>12643073
someone should make a shuttle derived starship with a big orange chomper

>>12643368
It's fucking beautiful, anon. God bless you.

>>12643328
Was this the same guy who wanted to name the M113 the Gavin and replace Abrams with M60A3s again?

>>12643368
oh god why

>>12643368
>>12643370
wtf am i fucking psychic

>>12643380
>I don't predict the future. I predict the past.
Based

>>12643184
>that autocorrect
>>>/d/ and never come back

>>12643292
SN9/11 NEVER FORGET

>>12643061
>NASA decides to scrape SLS and just slap some old shuttles on the back of the starship can call it a win
I could see it happen

>>12643086
The moment it becomes self sufficient, then his armada of starships will seize the moon and isolate Earth until the engines on Deimos and Phobos are finished so they can launch them at the Earth and assert Martian dominance.

>>12643412
>not using them to nuke the moon
Whatever

>>12642930
MOOOOOOODS!

>>12643412
>self sufficient
how will the non-terran humans deal with a total lack of petrol and all the things you can do with oil and other organic material

>>12643416
There is a great apocalypse book about the moon blowing up would rec to all space nerds.

>>12643423
Looks kino anon thanks for the rec.

>>12643320
only after my parents die. It would hurt them too much

>>12643320
>would you
*will you
And I'm considering it.

>>12643376
Probably, he had a bunxh of stupid ideas of abandoning eletronics for cheap shit. Heres a quote on his fighter idea.

"Col James Burton, one of the Fighter Mafia reformers, even proposed the Air Force develop a new airplane, which he named the Blitzfighter. He writes: I prepared an advocacy briefing that called for the development of a small, simple, lethal, and relatively cheap airplane that would be designed solely for close support of the ground troops… I wanted an airplane in the 5,000- to 10,000-pound class (one-tenth the weight of the Enhanced Tactical Fighter), one smaller than any combat airplane in the inventory (one-fourth the size of the A-10), and one that cost less than $2 million. At this price, we could flood the battlefield with swarms of airplanes. The airplane would be designed around a four-barrel version of the same cannon that was in production on the A-10, which used a seven-barrel cannon that fired shells costing only $13 apiece… The Blitzfighter would have no high-tech bells and whistles and no wonder weapons… With the ability to operate from grass fields, the Blitzfighter did not demand fixed, expensive airfields that probably would cease to exist ten minutes after a war started… (Burton 1993:57-58)
This concept is a clear sign of the FIST values at work. Burton’s envisioned Blitzfighter was never built, apparently because Burton’s superiors did not share his values—which is one of the pitfalls inherent in attempting to use the FIST values."

Dude was a loon

>>12642930
ez meme

>>12643308
Hi, macros anon. Got something new in your collection?

>>12643437
Who?

>>12643436
Of course! SpaceX's secret to mass producing Starships: mitosis

>SN9, SNX, and others exiting the midbay like

CEO of ULA.

>>12643431
>swarms of shitty, slow low-flying planes flying across an open battlefield
Was he 10?

>>12643367
Nobody even knows what China is up too half the time except the local villagers that know what their hypergolic fuel tastes like and old space can’t even build a telescope in 25 years without it costing like 10 billion.

I want to ride inside SN9, strapped into a seat. If I die, so be it.

>>12643320
>Come work for newest mining company on Mars, The Ultor Corporation, uhh I mean MineralX corp
Idk man I have a bad feeling about this

>>12643442
Sorry, it that I asked some anon who was posting these macros to share his collection a few days ago.

>>12643421
Steel, electric cars, animals brought to Mars and yearly raids on the techno barbarians to capture their precious plastic stockpiles.

>>12643448
You'd think China's discrete fuckery would encourage MIC to get behind Newspace. Just a thought.

>>12643445
Kek he knows it’s possibly the end

>>12643449
I want them to strap me into a starship and fire me at Jerusalem.

>>12643445
ouch

>>12643446
probably beat it to too many videos of t-34's and Il-2's being built and it broke his brain.

>>12643462
i’m being genuine here, plastics and many other products are so widespread and dependent on petrolchem. even without independence memes how does a martian or orbital habitat keep those costs down? hell, 200, 300 years out, what the fuck do we do? What do we do about that when we got sizeable populations living places that aren’t earth?

>>12643431
What if he was ahead of his time

>>12643320
Poor people should be banned from taking loans, to protect them.

>>12643421
>>12643479

The main issue with long term space isn't even food/air/energy it is engineering all those things to be simple and good enough to not need endless tiny impossible to manufacture parts. Sure you can 3d print it, but you also need to be able to repair all the parts on your 3d printer. You would basically need to engineer every design of every component for easy space manufacture which is certainly doable but an expensive and involved task. Alternatively you can keep shooting rockets filled with tiny little precious parts at the problem.

>>12643463
MIC is probably filled with CCP diversity hire agents that keep politicians investing in overpriced, inefficient trash.

>>12643484
Okay cool it with the anti-semitism

>>12642766
>Maybe we'll get a hop

not on my watch sonny, lol

>>12643445
Hey, Tory is cool guy, for oldspace.

>>12643463
>>12643487

There are actually good amount of people the up and coming officers and other careerists putting their buck in with new space it is just they are of course vastly out numbered by boondoggle salesmen wearing fancy uniforms. Starship/Starlink does actually give a strategic edge to the US which is why they've still had government support.

SN EED has been rolled out to the launch pad.

>>12643499

>>12643479
I’m not sure what the replacement for plastic is or if another cheap method exists to make the stuff without oil.

I suppose metals, organic materials like leather from cattle and I suppose imports from the Earth. I’m not sure.

>>12643495
Yeah he's honorary middlespace. I can't imagine the shit he has to deal with when interacting with Boeing's bullshit. I like to think he hangs out with all the LockMart guys and shit talks Boeing

>>12643421
You can make synthetic oil if you have the energy.

>>12643482
Look at this thing and tell me he wasnt huffing glue.

>>12643262
FAA is headquartered in California. THey're probably butthurt at Musk and using legal means to delay/shutdown SpaceX.

>>12643507
can you tell me more about this?

>>12643515
Honestly, the most likely reason is that the FAA is a massive bureaucracy and some pencil pusher is covering his ass before we get the new admins transition. Why can't we just accept that these massive bureaucracies are just self-serving beasts with only their own preservation in mind. It's just as insidious as all the other reasons given, but it happens with every big organization.

>>12643512
It looks like something China would be into with how cheap and easily produced they would be, yeah I could imagine them being pretty useful at just overwhelming any target if you are ok with losing large amounts of pilots.

Also I don’t know why he called this the Blitzfighter if it was supposed to be comparatively slow.

>>12643522
FAA giving SpaceX hard time just as Biden team comes in reeks of political sabotage.

>>12643506
Eh I love Tory too but remember he tried to get SpaceX investigated by the government

>>12643393
>bureaucrat has one job
>which is to do a check mark
>makes no fucking difference to them what experimental vehicle is flying
>doesn’t do it

>>12643527
But Biden's team isn't even in yet, all the people there are old flunkies. I bet its some mid level guy whose afraid he's gonna get the axe so he's doing everything by the book to up his chances of not getting cut. Which is slowing everything down.

>>12643512
>Burton's proposal, while enthusiastic, was not aided by the demonstration he gave using a hand-made 1/72 scale mockup made from Play-Dough, nor was the committee impressed by his insistence on punctuating the demonstration with "Pew! pewpewpewpew! pewpew!"

>>12643495
>>12643506
Dumb. He put out a fake news about how ULA is cheaper than SpaceX because of Airforce contract SpaceX got to build out a larger fairing. ULA got billion+ for that same thing a year earlier. SpaceX got hundred million or so for the same thing. The guy is spreading disinfo about SpaceX all the time.

>>12642790

Why are they moving SN10 out?

>>12643262
Regulatory requirements or experimental vehicles doing one off launches .....
Not everyone works for the government you fucking bureaucrats

>>12643499
Why are there so many people watching?

>>12643545
He also said that Falcon 9 would take 10 reflights to break even with reuse costs, until Elon said that they make a profit after the second flight

>>12642803
The lines are wrong, he should be wobblier.

>>12643525
Honestly, they probably were half as expensive as a whole trained pilot. Unless we started drafting boyscouts to fly, there's no way we could maintain that level of attrition.

>>12643543
Honest to god I cant tell if this is satire or not.

>>12642930
>>12643436
nice job anons

>>12643516
Not that poster but;
Creation of any substance is possible with enough energy really.
>synthesize organic compounds and carbon
>put those organic compounds under extreme pressure and heat in order to simulate the natural formation of oil/coal
>get oil and coal
>???
>profit

All atomic interactions at the end of the day are really just an exchange of energy. As long as you have the energy and the mechanism to induce the atomic change, you can do or create whatever the fuck you want.

>>12643548
Make room in the shed for stacking other rockets and also to absolutely mog the competition.

>>12642896
>THIS LAUNCH UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY GAMESTOP
>POWER TO THE PLAYERS

>>12643516
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process for example

Since Elon already plans on using the Sabatier process to get Methane, it's not too far fetched to assume that similar processes can be used to make other synthetic fuels, oil and ultimately plastics.

>>12643548
Make the FAA look like incompetent slow fucking chodes.

Which they are.

>>12643504
you did make me realize that paper might get replaced by parchment on the basis of animals being quicker to harvest and trees having utility in not being chopped up. Assuming of course you still need paper-analogues in space

>>12643570
cheers mate

>>12642944
Is going to be glorious to see it fly

>>12643479
The best bet is through a whole range of various Organic Chemistry processes such as Fischer-Tropsch, Bosch Reaction, Methane to Methanol reactions.

That'll give us a whole host of useful organic compounds that we use widely here on Earth

It's the issue of having the infrastructure set up in the right place which right now is an issue as we don't have enough data

the verge reports that apparently sn8's flight violated its launch license in some way and that's why new launches are getting extra scrutiny

>>12643590
"YOU CAN'T CALL IT A SUCCESSS ON TWITTER111 THATS AGAINST TEH REGULATIONS1"

>>12643562
>Make room in the shed for stacking other rockets
Fair enough I guess that makes sense

>>12643590
>tfw you didn't file for your explosion-loicense

>>12643590
>Test article
>No you're not allowed to break things during a test, you must test it as if it's flight proven

You didn't see FAA complain when SpaceX blew up the F9 grasshopper

>>12643590
Why the fuck do they even care? There's no one on the pad, no one within a mile of the test, there's no god damn issue whatsoever. This all reeks of paperwork bullshit. "BECAUSE ITS THE LAW" is not useful. Why is it a law? What useful purpose does it serve to curb a prototype testing on an empty area?

>>12643590
Urge to fedpost intensifies

>>12643590
>Test starship crashes
>Damage is a bunch of scrap metal and a scorched landing pad
>No collateral damage
>No injuries

>>12643602
The current FAA is going to make up all kinds of technicalities to make it impossible to ever launch from Boca Chica again

if it's a public safety issue why is FAA being cryptic? just tell us what the problem is

>>12643590

>>12643611
The problem is that Starship makes NASA and SLS look bad

>>12643602
Because "the adults are in charge again" anon. The private spaceflight meme will be dismissed and focus will be given back to the professionals at ULA and NASA.

Oh no the fully loaded full stack prototype went off course and blew the FAA headquarters off the face of the planet, woops haha.

>>12643590
>hasty
The leftist media really is butthurt about Musk not kneeling at the Altar of Covid.
>>12643602
I guarantee it's a GS-7 employee who is doing this. For whatever reason, everyone at that particular paygrade are absolute cunts.

They are going to order Elon to take down the NASA starship mockup aren't they

here's the loicense
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/licenses_permits/media/Final_%20License%20and%20Orders%20SpaceX%20Starship%20Prototype%20LRLO%2020-119)lliu1.pdf

>>12643611
They'll tell us when they've thought of one.

>>12643602
>>12643622
Isn't the FAA based in DC? And doesn't the area around DC vote like 95% a certain party?

>>12643590
kek this is blatant favoritism. Theyre going to force spacex into a slower schedule, and it’s going to be part of old space propaganda.

>>12643630
As a matter of fact they do, don't they.

>>12643611
If they told SpaceX the issue, they might fix it. The government can't have that.

found the issue I think

>SpaceX must identify and report any anomaly to the FAA occurring on a prior flight of the vehicle or during any pre-flight processing of the vehicle
that could be material to public safety. SpaceX
may not proceed with flight operations until
receiving written correspondence from the FAA that
the identified anomalies have been adequately
addressed.

>>12643634
>Starship production intensifies
>Stack of Starships and Superhevy's line up in Boca Chica
>DOD sweating profusely

>>12643522
>Why can't we just accept that these massive bureaucracies are just self-serving beasts with only their own preservation in mind.
Because it happened just before the transition to another administration. There were never any problems with Trump.

is this the "Build Back Better" the admin was talking about?

>>12643446
From the text i get the idea he was preparing for the Nuclear option with the USSR so the design isn't quite as stupid as it first appears.

>>12643638
OH NO NOT THE TIP
THE TIP!
Also was this number always this high?
>b) One Hundred Ninety-Eight Million Dollars ($198,000,000) for covered claims resulting from flight of the Starship Prototype from SpaceX’s Boca Chica Launch Site.

>>12643541
They don't have to get in. All it takes is one pro-Biden existing FAA employee to fuck everything up.

>>12643605

>>12643630
nobody who works in DC actually lives in DC, though

>>12643639
SORRY ELON, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD THESE SPACESHIPS ANYMORE
YOU GOT TOO MANY SPACESHIPS LOL

>>12643646
it was lower but raised prior to hopper I think

>>12643652
>No one needs to own high capacity starship pads

>>12643639
>>DOD sweating profusely
hmm I wonder how much damage a rogue fully fueled starship coming in from orbital velocity could do to the Pentagon?

YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON LAUNCH LICENSES!
YOU WILL REGRET THIS!

>>12643660
Unironically, by the time they realized what was happening it would be too late

>>12643641
Because by then the Trump admin was established, if this had been happening during a Hillary to Trump switchover I bet we see the same fuckery. Its the fact that there's a transition at all, that at least in my opinion is causing the gum up.

>>12643648
The affiliation of these guys don't really matter that much. DC lizard people are flexible for working for governments whose politics they disagree with, the fuckery is coming from some guy who screwed the pooch in the past and is now trying to not get purged in the inevitable restaffing.

>punitive red tape niggery

fuck is the usa in a bit of a tizzy rn holy fuck

>>12643650
True, they all live in Virginia. They still vote straight blue.

>>12643512
He was, but tell me it wouldn't be cool as a swarm of drones instead of Okha tier suicide bombs.

>>12643655
starships are protected under the second amendment

>>12643611
You're better off not knowing. For your own safety.

>Neuralink video released
>Second person shown in the video is a tranny
Not 10 seconds into it... fuck this gay earth and fuck mental illnesses becoming normalized

>>12643624
>Lirio then worked as the Manager of the Seattle Aircraft Certification Office, which was responsible for the type certification and continued operational safety of the Boeing aircraft fleet.

>>12643683
>Hm sorry sweety but that test crash was problematic. We're going to have to circle back to you

>>12643682
neuralink will be used on these people to fix them. dont you see?

>>12643639

>>12643677
When Starships are outlawed, only outlaws will fly Starships.
>>12643683
Maybe if you stuff a few hundred people in SN9 she'd be quicker to call it 'safe'.

>>12643688
..Elon?

>>12643688
>Elon left the Starship printer on again

>>12643686
Oh. Oh that actually makes sense. Also Elon got ripped on a few weeks ago for supposedly being transphobic so this is probably his way of saying fuck you everybody, I have socially braindead hires at my company too

>>12643693
Elon just needs to call his Starship as "undocumented vehicles" based off a sanctuary launchpad

>>12643676
Yeah, it'd be cool at least for the couple hours they are still flying before Shilka's and SAM's reduce the living pilot population by several percentage points.

what good is being american if you're not free to blow up full scale model rockets upon your own facilities lmao

>>12643700
exactly. first we test on piggies. next up is trannies

>>12643705
Democratic People's Republic of America.

>>12643693
Starships flying under pirate flags and pirate code when?

>>12643638
>until
> receiving written correspondence from the FAA that
> the identified anomalies have been adequately
> addressed.
So FAA is now in charge of fixing issues of rocket prototypes they didn't build? Or what kind of retarded legalese is that?

>>12643590
You want a license violation? I'll fucking show you a license violation

>>12643638
So basically now they want spacex to prove SN9 won't explode again, and since they won't let it fly the only way left is to build it to oldspace standards and procedures

>>12643682
>finally got Neuralink installed but it keeps blasting "you will never be a real woman" in my brain

unironically though if they load SN9 onto their oil rig and taxi it back out into international waters would they have to get any permission at all to test it?

>>12643704
so make them stealth, make them unmanned, and make them low cost

OH IF ONLY THERE WAS A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY DOING THAT

>>12643718
Unknown. They might run into 'concept of FAA' regulation.

>>12643718
Yes. because US company.
The US wants you to pay US taxes if you work and live overseas, don't you know?

Rocketlab needs a US launch license to launch out of NZ after all

>>12643713
>should've bought my book

>>12643710
>first generation space pirates are fuckheads who make open-source spacex rockets put out once the usgov redtapes elon's company to death and he flips the table
>they go up and basically strip military and commercial satellites for valuable components and materials

>>12643436
The FAA wouldn't let them launch 2 starships in quantum superposition

This was hardly a problem before. Why are they throwing a fit now?

>>12643721
THE ARSENAL BIRD?!

>>12643718
Yes but at least there is no "public" out there to speak of

>>12643721
> Stealth
>Low Cost

Oh yeah would you also like a high TWR Hydrogen engine, viable SSTO design, and a working water aerospike rocket with your first order?

>>12643729
Elon feel out of favour with their masters.

>>12643730
literally yes, Kratos is developing a flying aircraft carrier for tactical drones with DARPA; and the drone I posted before is competing for the Loyal Wingman and Skyborg program. Loyal Wingman is like Ace Combat NPC wingmen in real life for F-35s, Skyborg is using them with AI to form drone swarms.

>>12643727
>asteroid belt gold rush
>worthless/mined-out rocks tossed on to earth

>>12643725
>>12643713
ZUBRIN NOOOOOOO

>>12643734
And don't skimp on the reactionless drive, chopchop

>>12643729
Elon encouraged people to fuck over stock market jewlords.

>>12643729
The people revolted in 2016 and now all threats must be crushed.

SN10 on the pad now

>>12643599
For that matter, does SpaceX file an FAA permit each time they test at McGregor?

>>12643749
The shot of the two steel starships and the crane and tanks makes it look so kino

>>12643741
Punished Zubrin, a man denied his mini Starships

>>12643367
Space race was the game with Russians. The game is hide and seek with the ch*nese.

>>12643739
>Loyal Wingman is like Ace Combat NPC wingmen in real life for F-35s, Skyborg is using them with AI to form drone swarms
>drone swarms
Oh God I'm getting target-lock flashbacks make it stop!
Unironically a pretty terrifying technology if it's even 1/10th as effective as the arsenal bird in AC7. Fucking Belkans. Drone-wingman sounds nice though, I wonder if pilots will get attached to them like bomb disposal robots?

>>12643755
>point nuclear weapons at each other
>NOOOOOOO U CAN'T STEAL OUR TECH THAT'S NOT FAIR MUH IP LAWS

westerners are fucking retarded

>>12643590
Fuck the vag

KINO view of workers in black with the sunset and light coming through the SN10 / pad gap

>>12643762
It's so smelly brown people can't point nukes at us.

>>12643763
I'm surprised Loren Gash didnt write this hit piece

>>12643759
>Fucking Belkans
I hate Belkans so god damn much

>>12643772
big words for someone in nuke range fucko

>>12643768
If it's wrong, Elon will call them out.

What would be the consequences if Elon just said fuck it and launched anyway?

>>12643778
kikes kvetch and kike obvs

>>12643759
>stealth
>8 hard points for AAM or bombs
>mach 0.85
I'll stop drone sperging now because it's not really space

>>12643778
They would literally call it an insurrection and end SpaceX

>>12643774
>heh, you're in my nukes' rance
>nukes himself in defiance
Go right ahead

soichi is making like weekly videos about eating food on ISS lol

Gotta catch the sunrise for that kino shot of both ships beside each other.

>>12643682
What video?

I HAVE AWOKEN

>>12643729
They thought he would be a good goy like Bezos. They were surprised when he actually started doing things, but they allowed it. Now he is unleashing the power level and they fear what they cannot control

>>12643810
>Bring me the one they call FAA

https://youtu.be/6eu_M1Pcxig

>>12643682
fucking christ

So are we getting an SN9 hop on Monday?

>>12643823
Nope. FAA just issued a statement that they will only approve once SpaceX has completed modifications that satisfy the FAA

>>12643802
Holy shit, didn't know about this. This motherfucker is up there rocking a chefs hat and reviewing MRE's. What a guy

>>12643590
>botched landing attempt
Jesus, they're not even trying to hide the agenda.

>>12643423
Misread that as spacenoids

>>12643729
Democrats have turned on Elon. Look what Biden is also doing on EV front by mandating the government buy only union made EVs. This is basically welfare for GM/Ford.

>>12643820
>I'm not a robot
Kek. Yes. You are a bluepilled man with breast implants who will never lose your XY chromosome makeup no matter how much estrogen you pump into your veins

>>12642990
Getting from here to there...

>>12643831
Let's get this onto a tray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnqCWo46fzM

Boca Chica.
Home.

>>12643682
>Elon is hiring men that count as women on paper in order to meet diversity quotas without sacrificing the effectiveness of the company,
high iq

>>12643852
I noticed he opens cans very carefully, covering them with a towel as to not let the (nice) hiss spray out into the station. He even comments when the can doesn't hiss

>>12643869
Yeah he's super based. Also he's opened disgusting cheese and shit with botulism before. 50 years of sitting in a warm pantry can cause some pretty high gas pressure and he doesn't want that shit spraying all over the room like a bioweapon if it happens to be rancid

>>12643820
Reminder males taking estrogen develop blood clots and strokes 2-3 times the rate of controls.