/sci/ - Science & Math

musk is finished

>>14518915

>9 days till launch
>the taikonauts still havent been announced
?????????

>>14518930
The great chairman Xi is going himself, to style on Lukashenko.

>>14518930
I think last time they waited until like the day before

>>14518915

starlink has been approved in the philippines, the first asian country to approve it
https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/uys7gp/starlink_has_been_approved_in_the_philippines/

>>14518915

>>14519004
what's the consensus on the break-even point?

>>14519011
For profit? If SpaceX stops launching any more sats and don't want to expand anymore, then by next year. If they continue to scale up more and more, it will be 1+ year away before V2 comes online. Once V2 comes online, the breakeven point might be within few months or may even outpace the launch costs entirely due to larger network capacity and user growth.

>>14519004
At what point does every person on Earth become subscribed to Starlink?

>>14518974

>>14518965
this is a great advance towards space program transparency from the ussr's heyday, in which cosmonauts were announced only after they were safely in orbit

>>14519059

>>14519015
>don't want to expand anymore
iirc they're planning on a 5 year lifetime on one sat.
lets say they can put 400 starlink sats on one starship and the final constellation has 12k sats. that means they need a full starlink launch every 2 months.
But the more likely scenario is that they ride share.

Muskrat prime refused to answer the estronaut starlink 2 effective range question. What does this mean spacexsisters? (I know higher bandwidth means higher range but why was he dodging the question?)

>>14519103
>lets say they can put 400 starlink sats on one starship
You're overestimating by a factor of 4. Starlink 2 sats weigh about 1.25 tonnes.

>>14519128
Starlink V2 is a meme. There's no difference

>>14519022
Starlink + Neuralink. You uncovered the plot.

>>14519164
100 sats seems kinda little since the falcon can do 60.
Looking purely at volume the starship can do 430. I didn't look at weight though.

>>14519176
100 ton starship /1.25 ton sat = 80
150 ton starship /1.25 ton sat = 120

100 is probably a good rough number.

>>14519059

>>14519176
Starlink2 is much heavier than Starlink1. Dispenser is also heavy as fuck. No, it will not be carrying starlink1 either since it’s shittier than starlink2.

>>14519183
>No, it will not be carrying starlink1 either
No, but it might carry Starlink v 1.5. SpaceX was hoping to launch v1.5 on Starship but that got delayed by a year due to FAA.

>>14519183
>>14519179
Even if V2 is a lot heavier. 1.25T seems like a lot. got any sources for those numbers

>>14519188
Estronaut's recent interview, part 2.

V2 isn't just heavier, its got ~10x the bandwidth capacity of V1, so each one is worth ~10 of V1.

>>14519188
Musk himself said it with his own mouth in part 2 of starbase-tour-2, so it must be true.

>>14519192
>>14519195

oh. alright. Are still still planning like 12k of those?

>>14519196
Waiting on FCC approval. Its been delayed by ~2 years

>>14519197
Biden's FCC has been dragging its feet. SpaceX in the meantime, filed the constellation from Starlink Germany's branch.

SpaceX will not be stopped by Biden's politics

>>14519174
I will not live in the Borg

>>14519200
Musk’s Mars > Brandon’s America

https://youtu.be/IuiF6U-TFvQ

>>14519072

>>14519072
>>14519245
Ha ha, but actually, look at the right side of the pic, it looks like a steel Superman taking his shirt off.

when do we get cool m2m vehicles?

>>14519245
Easy fix

>>14519238
>rewriting several lines of computer codes
kek

>>14519284
it's that easy in rocketry software

>>14519238
>the comments
Jesus Christ

>>14519284
the whole show was dumbed down. it's for the masses. chinese bases on the far side of the moon was the biggest lie though.

>>14519238
>4:05
>Un-ironed flag

>>14518982
Get ready for a lot more spam of all varieties in the near future

>>14519376
or massive offshoring of tech support jobs

>>14518380
>stringing up HLS starships together will make a really low density station. spooky!

More like ridiculously comfy

https://theconversation.com/wealthy-nations-are-carving-up-space-and-its-riches-and-leaving-other-countries-behind-182820

>>14519412
>The 1967 Outer Space Treaty, the founding document of space law, says that space should be used “for the benefit and in the interests of all countries.” The policies taking shape today will dictate whether this is the case in the future.
>the founding document of space law

lol, lmao

>>14519412
What is anyone supposed to do about this? They don’t have fucking rockets. Afghanistan doesn’t have a fucking navy, why don’t we write articles bemoaning their inability to secure fishing rights.

>>14519433
We must end inequity everywhere wherever it exists, inequity is the greatest evil.

This is the extreme endpoint of the liberal "common good" mindset.

>>14519433
>What is anyone supposed to do about this?
halt the space program until they catch up

>>14519433
>What is anyone supposed to do about this?
Nothing that ITAR will allow that's for sure.

>>14519433
>>14519412
https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1515042972491989003
>It should be alarming how far ahead the US is getting in space - regardless of how friendly we are. Countries that don’t pay into the development of space can’t expect to have a say in it or benefit much from it long term.

>>14519467
>>14519412
looks like they found a new reason to try and keep us prisoners on this planet

Everything in sexlab is simply low quality compared to ostim/osex

LIVE

https://youtu.be/jAumudhOFAI

>>14519492
WE

ARE

GOING

To do a second wet dress rehearsal attempt mid June

>>14519492
>boomer hold music
jesus christ

>>14519494
How can Starship even compete?

>>14519492

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1530217569315016705

> We are waiting for government approval

So they are ready?

>>14519530
Starlink in India

>>14519530
>Starlink's vision to provide cheap and fast Internet connection all over the world
Cheap is not on the menu.

>>14519011
>>14519015
They're on the hook to fill out the full 12,000 satellite megaconstellation per FCC filing, as they reserved an entire band space and orbit for it. So the legal break even point is 12k satellites. That said, at 400k subscribers, if we assume they all are $110/mo (no addons), that's:
>400k * 110 * 12 = $528M/yr
>Each starlink satellite has an expected lifespan of 5 years, most satellites currently are nearing EOL, but i imagine that SpaceX will drag this out until they can fully transition over 2.0 and also safely deorbit Starlinks relative to fuel on board
>based on what Gwynne and Elon have both said, Starlink 1.0/2.0, Starship, Raptor1/2, total dev costs is probably expected to be ~$10Bn
>1M @ 2023 subscribers means: 1M * 110 * 12 = $1.32Bn/yr
>2.5M @ 2025 subscribers means = 2.5 * 110 * 12 = $3.3Bn/yr * 5 years = $16.5Bn = 2025 +5

SpaceX will break even on Starlink, Raptor, and Starship dev costs in 2030 I would guess at 2.5 million subscribers. But if Starlink 2.0s are a magnitude order more capable and say SpaceX can launch 80 of them per flight and if make a linear scaling assumption betwene Starlink 1.0 and 2.0, then with 2k sats they're able to serve 400k subscribers total means they can support 400k subscribers with just 200 sats of Starlink 2.0s, as that's a magnitude order difference between the two. Then, if SpaceX continues to launch 80 per flight and they do say 1 Cargoship flight per month, that's 960 per year. 200 sats = 400k, then 960/200 = 4.8 * 400k = 1.92M. 2 years of Cargoship flights = 3.84M subscribers (supportable), 3 years = 5.76M.

The breakeven point then comes way earlier as law of averages/numbers/economies of scale benefits SpaceX. At 5.76M subscribers say by 2027, they'll print $7.6Bn annually from Starlink & $38Bn~ over the 5yr lifespan of the satellite (assuming 2.0s also have a 5yr EOL schedule). Essentially, SpaceX enters a Tesla-like exponential FCW path 2030+. $38Bn, $47.5Bn, $59.3Bn, $74.2Bn, $92.7Bn, etc.

>>14519467
I don’t know what anyone is supposed to do about that. You can either have your own space program - generally speaking we won’t stop you - or you can hang with us, or the Chinese for that matter.
There is nothing stopping anyone from developing chemical rockets except a lack of education in the country, a lack of funding for it, or a lack of industrial ability. These are serious and not minor concerns but they’re surmountable. The Indians are managing it decently. Hell the Brazilians could honestly do it if they hadn’t had bad luck once.
Why is it alarming how far ahead the US is in space? As the Chinese are demonstrating there’s an advantage to letting someone else prove something is possible before you try to copy it. I just don’t get it.

>>14518982
jessie is half flip

>>14519592
1. Blonde mommy
2. Asian girl
3. Jessie

>Listening to a "A case of mars"
>Every 5 minutes is another based point
God damn, this is amazing. Zurbin is definitely turbo-autism though

>>14519592
Would.

I just want a space GF bros

>>14519605
zero g so fun

>>14519605
Would

>>14519595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5sWfhkpE0
I first heard about "A case for mars" from this. Science music is always a bit cringe, but i liked it then.

>>14519438
>We must end inequity
Fine, give them rockets. Just rockets. If they fuck up and the rockets explode, then they've been given an equal chance to fuck up.

>>14519620
ITAR be like:

Yeeeeaaah no.

>>14519438
Why did they start using the word "equity" instead of "equality"?

>>14519623
literally just the rockets, no documentation, no nothing, you can press the button or not

>>14519624
equality wasn't equitable enough

>>14519624
when they realized they could call gibs "equity" because they're forcing """equal""" outcomes rather than just allowing equal opportunity

>>14519412
Reminder that Falcon 9 went from a blank sheet of paper to customer missions on less than $500million.
Cor comparison, the budget of Peru is $58 billion and would only require 0.8% to build a F9. Less if spread over several years.

>>14519064
Cosmonauta were announced IF They were safely in orbit

>>14519624
Because equality isn't what they want. The doublespeak got noticed, so they started changing the language.

>>14519642
>Slight differences in meaning
>Need to be a contrarian and rebel against what people before you said
Changed because of a little of column A, a little of column B.

>>14519644
Why in God's name are you giving the benefit of the doubt to people who have done nothing but advocate against everyone else's interests for their entire lives?

>>14518915
>Team Space
Thats American space. Team space is gay cooperation with non allies.

>>14519650
de collage

>>14519650
>collagefag mad about an OP
Shocker that.

>>14519683
Nigeria boutta flood the internet like India

>>14519689
>Africans hate (American) blacks
God I can't wait.

>>14519624
Because equality ia about equal opportunities, equity is about equal outcomes (make it easier for the fuckups)
Its harrison bergeron in real life

>>14519705
And they try to create equity by dragging the top down instead of the bottom up.

Anyone have the "Why I love ULA so much" pasta? It's an oldie and I haven't seen it posted on /sfg/ in ages, maybe it was from before we even had a general.

>>14519715
Oh yeah forgot about that, they do both though, and the effective outcome of quotas is dragging the top performers down by not letting them in

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1530234643219243009

> Starlink approved by Nigeria & Mozambique

Its really ramping up

>>14519650
>rest_of_the_world_are_you_even_trying.jpg

>>14518982
>philippines: population 100m
>>14519683
>nigeria: population 100m
another america worth of people is about to come online

>>14519650
One of those rockets is not fully American.

>>14519813
Less than 2/3 our population, but still a lot. We're at 350m+ now.

>>14519813
nigeria's actually at 200 million

>>14519492
poor space journos forced to listen to the same hold music for 50 years

>>14519592
any more with her armpits out or in a swimsuit?

>>14519833
get some pussy bro please

Good morning, this is tech support Singur speaking what seems to be the problem today Sirs or Madam?

aaaaaaaand the tiles are still dogshit

>>14519644
>pic
I call bullshit, capitalism would be one guy standing on 99% of the box, the second get one and the last one can't see behind the pile of box.

>>14519894
That's socialism.

>>14519895
undistinguishable from late capitalism.

>>14519895
>t. the 1%

>>14519881
>what are birds?

>>14519907
CIA experiment.

>>14519816
But it is American allies. Also the ESM is technically part of orion not SLS

>>14519809
Kek, honestly though

>* The role of man in space flight has been one of the basic and continuing philosophical differences between the Soviet and American space programs. Americans have sought to make the astronaut a central figure in the operation of the spacecraft, especially in his ability to veto automatic systems. The Soviets have preferred to rely upon automated systems on the ground and in the air, with the cosmonaut playing a secondary and more limited role.

>>14519907
Expendable

>>14519894
You're conflating poverty with inequality.

>>14519591
Europe has an inferiority complex the size of a galactic supercluster about falling behind America in anything because it proves our ancestors were right to leave. The whole reason the EU exists is so they can try and gang up on us. They don't feel threatened by China because China is Old World like them - European trade with China goes back to Rome.

>>14519881
I don't think those were tiles but I do wonder if they've actually tested those tiles in good condition. It seem extremely idealistic.

KINO pics
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1530276118116245505

>>14520062
>>14520064
Marshlands are really adding beauty to this.

>>14520059
How is this thing ever going to survive re-entry?

>>14520032
Capitalism cause both if it were not for government enforced safety and you know it.
The real question is: should we keep this discussion or just agree the political pic didn't need to be here in the first place?

>>14520075
That's the question, one defective custom made tiles is supposed to have been enough to destroy the space shuttle and somehow those little style that shake off with vibration are supposed to be easy?

I don't get why they didn't even try a F9 2nd stage with those tiles to see how it react to vibration, even if they don't care to make one for F9.

>>14520062
Godamn thats beautiful

>>14519683
>Starlink connects the world
>Twitter allows that newly connected world to interact with each other more easily
>financial structures are now built into twitter where every account can trade money
>for each transaction, 1% fee is applied of which 0.5% is for management of the infrastructure and 0.5% is taken as a cut for Twitter itself
>Twitter over time scales from a few hundred million people to several billion people
>Twitter prints money as a result
>Twitter soon enables solar enclaves; Earth enclave, Moon enclave, Mars enclave
>Twitter over time integrates into a direct democracy system which allows you to cast votes for elections via cryptographically signed tokens; where every election season you receive 1 token that = 1 vote
>this is how NFTs are co-opted and used, as NFTs are crytographically signed receipts and votes principally trusted receipts attached to your name, ID, and other information, by which you then imply and exercise a right towards a representative
>since DOGE's mining potential is trivial, and the coin circulation aspect is crazy high, DOGE network is used to handle the computational translation cost of these cryptographic tokens
>this system takes off on Moon/Mars and is retroactively adopted by Earth
I could see Mollusk pushing this over time if acquires Twatter.

Why on Earth has Elon decided to use fucking Sp*c* Shittle-tier tiles on the rocket that is the most important one in the history of mankind? Everything depends on that garbage to make it all happen...

>>14520116
this post feels like it's from 2 years ago

>>14520118
And nothing has changed in those 2 years, those tiles still break and disintergrate by the dozen each time *SOMETHING* is being done with the rocket.

>>14520116
Someone is going to jump on you and tell you it's not the same tiles, different tech, whatever.
What I wonder is if those tiles are so good, why aren't all other return capsule equipped with similar stuff.

I guess no one care until the Starship actually test reentry but I'd thing it would attract far more discussion with scientific feedback saying "yes it's already tested".
If it was posted before I missed it, it's like everyone just assume those work perfectly.

>>14519753
lmao

>>14520135
I think the fundamental problem with this tile stuff is that the three-prong setup where the stubs puncture the tile to hold it, also ends up transferring the vibration from cryo and engine ignition through, which results in the tiles basically shaking themselves off and falling off. Basically, the mounting mechanisms suck not the tiles themselves that suck--and they're currently not dedicating any time to fixing this because they haven't gotten this ship any higher than 12km and the booster hasn't left the ground. My guess is that they want to understand the point of criticality where the ship RUDs during descent when there's tile failure with the existing holding mechanism and until that happens, there's no point in fixing this problem. That's why they haven't done any other tests and are just working on literally everything else but the ship and waiting on government approval to begin destructive testing of the ship.

>>14520135
>why aren't all other return capsule equipped with similar stuff
tiles are pretty fragile, I doubt they can reliably survive harsh capsule landings, not to mention there isn't much point, since most capsules aren't reusable there isn't really any advantage over using an ablative shield.

>>14519637
Congrats, anon. You discovered that almost every nation on Earth could build an orbital class rocket and even a Falcon-9-like launcher. Many might not have the technical expertise or industry, but with the amount of money they possess, it's actually trivial to at least come up with a functional rocket if they really cared about it. Turns out, out of the ~195 countries of this planet not a single one gives or ever gave an absolute shit about space. It's like they deserve extinction.

>>14519683
Huh, and just yesterday one anon was talking about what if Starlink provided service to Mozambique.

>>14520217
most countries don't have the supply chain, industrial base, talent, or infrastructure to enable cheap development of roggets

>>14520227
They do, its a matter of profitability. 99% of all politicians DO NOT WANT TO CEDE power to a system they cannot control. Putting money towards space means inevitably facilitating the creation of a state which they cannot rule. It's not about any of the economic shit you claim, it has everything to do with money and power. It's what drives politics. It's always dictated policy. The majority of the world has sane gun laws, the US has pretty shitty gun laws. What's the difference? Politics. That's it. Space is no different. When Russia was a threat to aerospace, US bent over backwards to make sure we put on a man on the Moon first so the fucking commies don't humiliate us. Once the USSR collapsed, so did the US aerospace vision for the future--to the point of poetic irony that for a decade we relied on our ENEMY to put astronauts into space because our own aerospace sector imploded like the USSR imploded.
SLS is a massive fuckup, Starliner is a massive fuckup, Orion is literally too heavy for anyone else but SLS and that's a negative feedback loop. If not for SpaceX, US as a whole would have been summarily FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED for ISS access. Most powerful country in the world and can't get access to a station it spent majority of the money in building. Talk about fucking shame and humiliation.

>>14518919
Finished warming up.

>>14520075
Eh, it may limp back to earth. Problem is, this isn't reusable let alone rapidly so. This fucking heatshield will need refurbishment after every flight.

>>14519907
we just don't know

>>14520088
>enough to destroy the space shuttle
Shittle was made out of space-grade aluminum and sheeit, one spot isn't going to be enough to fuck up steel.

>>14519254
Lunar rocket vehicles will be quite nearly based, but Mars rocket vehicles will be cooler. That being said, Titan is the solar system's best aerospace environment: low gravity, thick atmosphere, and nearby atmosphereless ice moons with super low gravity.

>>14520303
cope
tiles are awful idea and steel won't save it

>>14518915
I knew I had this saved, it was on my phone.

>>14519847
It's not about having a fetish for armpits. It's about knowing that she would be made disgusted and extremely uncomfortable if she knew that I was saving those pictures of her to my computer and there's nothing she can do about it.

>>14519921
That's because if you put a soviet in full control of a soyuz they'd deorbit it onto the midwestern US and defect.

>>14519592
why only half?

>>14519975
Thumbnail reminded me a lot of this picture of Mars with the dark twister swirls

>>14520351
go home mars wind you'rre druink

>>14520075
>>14520088
They will simply find a way to fix the issue.

>>14520338
she probably has an onlyfans bro. she's a total attention whoring slut (just like i like them). she wants men to cum for her and she lives for it. in her mind, THAT is the true female empowerment. to be a nasty little slut for all the men

>>14520083
>Capitalism cause both
I do not care about any lack of equality or equity in the world or how bad it gets.

>>14520135
>What I wonder is if those tiles are so good, why aren't all other return capsule equipped with similar stuff.
Capsules have a smaller L/D ratio and thus deal with higher temperatures during reentry, and they also either touch down in water or on land using retro rockets to cushion the impact, either of which would ruin any ceramic tiles anyway, making them non-reusable. If you're not going to reuse your TPS anyway, it's easier to make them out of refractory plastic ablator (ie PICA and so forth) than ceramic heat-soak thermal tiles.

>>14520303
>Grab a few new hexagons from Bucket o' Tiles
>Hop on United Rentals (TM) lift
>Pop 'em on to any empty spots
It's that easy in rocketry.

>>14520059
yes they tested them on dragon

>>14520083
Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other thing in human history. Government intervention is the greatest driver of both poverty and inequality in modern society.

>>14520227
>most countries don't have the supply chain, industrial base, talent, or infrastructure
Say that to smallsat launcher companies who are currently building their own engines and vehicles and launching them to orbit. Yes they have failures more often than established big entities but they are also working on shoestring budgets with small hardware (and in rockets, smaller is more difficult to succeed with).
If you are a small country or even just a rich guy, you can buy talent from the international pool and import it to where you live. Supply chain? Buy sheet metal off the market and deliver it to your warehouse. Industrial base? Buy several 5 axis mills and hire ten operators. Talent? Make a youtube channel and advertise that you're hiring. Infrastructure? You don't need anything other than a warehouse, a launch site, and a rocket small enough to be hauled by truck (ie up to Falcon 9 size, which with dense propellants means you have a heavy lifter).
There is literally ZERO excuse anymore for any country to not have a space program unless they are either a failed state or have no interest in doing so. The tools and techniques are available and the population of talented and skilled workers willing to move countries for large sums of money and/or the opportunity to play Ksp in real life with a lot of resource backing is large enough to support an effort of several thousand workers per nation on the planet easily.

>>14520351
You can really see how the iron oxide layer is actually just an extremely thin bit of fine dust

Not sure if its me doing it, but I've been reporting lot of these fake "spacex live" crypto spammers videos every few days for few weeks. Now it seems the amount of "live" crypto spammers have been reduced by atleast half.

I continue to report those videos to youtube when I can.

>>14520395
based kill em all and salt the earth

>>14520395
King

>>14520395
we need a spam reporter bot

>>14520395
When I started reporting, the amount of fake spacex live crypto videos were in the couple dozens. Now its under a dozen. Not sure if youtube is hiding them from me personally or if its globally being banned/deleted.

>>14520395
>>14520435
cuck

>>14519683
GOD DAMN IT ELON SIR WHERE IS THE IPO

why did the faggots not finish installing the tiles????
dont tell me its going back to the production site again...

>>14520458
2 weeks

>>14520458
I can imagine this exact same post being made circa 1979 had /sfg/ existed back then

>>14520458
Lurk more

Anyone else not really interested in actual space? Like I love sci-fi right? And I love the idea of exploring the galaxy, meeting aliens, travelling to spaceports and setting up colonies with an AI companion and all that.

But the reality of what we’re capable of at the moment is just… tedious. Mundane. At best we’ll have manned missions to Mars within the next 20 years and I mean Mars is just a big, radioactive sandy desert that you can’t breathe in. There’s rocks there and not much else. We’ve seen all it has to offer already. We won’t have the technology to mine astroids or go to other stars for possibly hundreds of years. We’ll all be long dead by then. Our current level of technology feels like it’s as advanced as the hot air balloon. I find it hard to get enthusiastic about real life space exploration given how primitive it is.

>>14520347
iirc she said on some stream her father's side is German-Swedish ancestry

>>14520498
you're just not into technology. i'm sorry but where we're going it's all about the technology.

>>14520498
>There’s rocks there and not much else.
Did you know there's a subsurface ocean inside Pluto being kept liquid thanks to a methane gas layer?

We've only just begun figuring out how the rest of the universe operates. The geology sets the stage for biological discovery later.

>>14520498
I'm more in the middle. I think sci-fi stuff is cool but I'm super fascinated by near term and current space exploration. Every time a spacecraft lands somewhere and sends the first pictures back I get excited. And the idea of living to see man taking his first steps on worlds that he has no right to be on due to the inhospitably but going there anyway just because he can is absurdly cool to me. It's the talk about things that might happen in 100 years like speculation about colonization that I find incredibly dull

>>14520498
i get your point, as a kid everyone dreams of space as being this final frontier where if you could travel faster than light you could visit alien worlds, meet alien faces and explore the cosmos.
But alas we live in a place and time where our most "ambitious" initiative to get to the moon is constrained by delays, grift and most of all the oppresive feeling that:
>Life is destined to stay on Earth, for Earth is the only place with life

>>14520511
I did not know that. That’s actually extremely interesting.

>>14520498
I like real life space because it's mundane

I've had multiple lunches with Salvatore T. Bruno. AMA

>>14520523
how potent is the venom in its fangs

tory bruno is a sneed

>>14520523
what's his favorite food

>>14520523
Engines when

>>14520542
what are "engines"?

>>14520546
the things engineers make

>>14520498
>>14520518
I love a good space opera, but I'd fucking love working a mundane shit job in orbit.
Planetes is fucking great and I'd rewatch it if I didn't already quite recently.

It's over white devils, game over, we will colonize Mars and make it part of our interplanetary empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMTu6RL2TEo

>>14520587
i will cheer for you unironically. right now it looks we've got our best chance with the spacex starship.

>>14520589
>i will cheer for you unironically.
Thank you white devil, China rules the heavens and always will

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-NxVIuWiJs

>>14520116
As far as I am concerned, that... has... received... extreme... s-scrutiny... and I h-have the utmost confidence in it...
https://youtu.be/Okw3R9pspPc?t=1166

>>14520523
Does he just spout all the same sentiments regarding the space industry and ULA's place in it as he does in public interviews? How much of a threat to ULA does he feel from spacex? Has he cursed out Blorigin and Unidentified Jeffrey?

>>14520498
I'm going to use a full brain interface to merge with a nascent super-AI to become a demigod in a settlement deep in the lunar crust. This'll be sometime within the next 80 years.
You're welcome to join my cult.

>>14520609
I for one welcome our superior space faring Han overlords.
Please remember my loyalty when appointing beautiful Chinese wives to foreign white dogs.
Also, please exterminate the parasites that destroyed our civilization.

>>14520512
> It's the talk about things that might happen in 100 years like speculation about colonization that I find incredibly dull
cope, spacex will begin colonizing mars next decade

>>14520510
But he's right. The technology you are on about is the equivalent of building a slightly bigger hot air balloon. In other words you have shit for brains. That must suck for you.
>>14520511
Misses the point entirely, another fucking idiot. Yah, some more fucking rocks, but these ones are liquid! Just liek inside the Earth! How interesting. For dough brained geologists. Enjoy your trillion dollar mars rock samples, retard.

>>14520703
>rocks
>liquid
How do people like you end up on /sci/ of all boards?

>>14520724
oh the irony.....

what do you think magma is

>>14520703
poor trolling attempt

>>14520687
>Han
lol
chinese subspecies never fail to make me laugh

>>14520687
>>14520737
China is going to collapse before 2037.

I rate this rover 0/10 for design/aesthetic originality

>>14520447
Never ever, God willing

>>14520793
>mmm, roggs :D

>>14520793
It's like a naked Spirit/Opportunity

>>14520447
Just as a fun thought, and I know it's not happening any time soon, but say both SpaceX and Starlink go public today as separate companies. Do you think Musk would easily become the world's first trillionaire just like that?

>>14520793
Too many moving parts in those wheels.

>>14520821
>>14520825
Yeah but it can do this

>>14520834
I like her boot-scoot-boogie

>>14520222
LOL, that was me. Luckily Mozambique isn't involved in an active conflict with a space fairing country.

The fuck kind of shit meme is that supposed to be

>>14520863
kek I thought the same

Is insight the worst recent Mars mission?
>heat probe fails totally
>faster than expected dust accumulation hurting power budget, no way to attempt to clean panels except for literally pouring dirt on them
>seismometer works but messing around with the heat probe for a year reduced the data quality during that time period

>>14520874
yep, they got lucky with that Marsquake otherwise it would've been a total failure

The JPL grifting model must end

>>14520863
it's literally Chinese

>>14520250
You've got that backwards re:guns

Today I learned that hydrazine monopropellant guns were experimented with in the 50's and 60's. I was born in the wrong generation. People were the right kind of crazy back then.

>>14520874
>except for literally pouring dirt on them
That itself was more JPL bullshit and it only increased energy production by 30 Wh per sol. In comparison it should get >4000 Wh with clean panels.

>>14520874
>>14520935
>toss dirt and hope a stray gust of wind makes it blow across the panel and take some dust with it

What absolute nonesense, we shouldn't be having problems like this in fucking 2020, mass ratio optimized solar powered landers are a fucking 1970's thing we should do better by now.

>>14520935
>>14520948
A modest proposal.

>>14520919
show this to /k/ right fucking now

>>14520919
>two stroke rifle
yo

>>14520919
cool fact but not spaceflight
>inb4 muh propellant

What’s happening today, sfg goobers?
Nothing? Okay, cya tomorrow again!

>>14520968
goodbye forever anon

>>14520250
>The majority of the world has sane gun laws, the US has pretty shitty gun laws.
>Sane
>Downscaled MAD is "shitty"

Enjoy getting stabbed, faggot.

>>14520970
I’ll be back when something happens.

>>14520975
You'll be back before that

>>14520250
tldr?

>>14520919
Liquid propellant firearms are a fantastic idea... right up until you realize the lack of basic maintenance that hydrazine tank is going to suffer in the field at the hands of a green recruit who had half of his chromosomes knocked out in boot.

FAA approval tomorrow, right?

>>14520987
Liquid propellant firearms are the hydrolox rockets of the firearms world

>>14520995
Only if Elon brings the hookers and blow.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/general-aviation/2022-05-26/faa-inspector-took-money-and-hookers-ignore-violations

>>14521015
lmfao

>>14520995
31st, anon

>>14520671
I am going to destroy you

>>14521048
The competition is welcome

>>14520948
It's only what JPL claims is mass optimized, they size the panels so that it struggles to meet power demand outside ideal conditions and refuse to add a few hundred grams of panel actuators so they can instead increase the mass budget for scientific instruments. After the Mars lander or rover dies far earlier than it should have but conveniently outside the needlessly short design life, they use it as a platform to lobby that future missions should be RTG powered despite that the system would be 10x heavier. Blame Martian weather and few people will question why they got a billion dollars to make a de facto expendable rover, most of the spaceflight "community" isn't even wise to their schemes. /sfg/ was only redpilled on JPL after many admittedly repetitive posts about the subject.

>>14520995
If there's a wicked-ass meteor storm Monday night then we will have FAA approval on Tuesday.

Here is your new NASA mandated GF, you can only pick one.

>>14520979
Money is the root of evil and money without accountability fucked the US space program.

>>14521081
Imagine, if you will, the smell

>>14521092
like a bucket of raw clams left in the sun

>>14521081
There's a few 5's sprinkled in there... and that's as good as they get. I'll pass.

>>14521081
I’m putting my cock in the spooky ghost gf

>>14521081
Has 3. Fun times dating someone similarly autistic to you, but not all it's cracked up to be.

>>14521081
Black shirt & glasses on the right is pretty cute

>>14521102
Kek. I would go with this Asian MILF but she is probably a bit old for me.

>>14521081
Chubby aubrey plaza or the blonde right next to her OR the black haired girl in profile next to blonde.

They propped up the corpse of the only woman in JPL history that wasn't a diversity hire.

>>14521115
I'm gonna do the typical 'murican thing and get into the middle east

Would threesome

>>14519894
Capitalism is what built the fucking bleachers, got the field ready, arranged for the athletes to appear and put the crowd of thousands in the stands while three worthless beggars were arguing about social justice.

>>14520823
Who cares? I know it's just a fun thought, but people obsess about that kind of shit too much already.

>African American Katherine Johnson is the most famous and inspirational woman in NASA history
Based NASA following the one-drop rule.

>>14519644

>>14521015
extremely based

>>14519881
seriously when the fuck is this shit launching?

>>14521200
well they had a pipe failure in sn24 so after that gets fixed they will be ready

https://www.livescience.com/ufo-hearing-metallic-hypersonic-flying-object

“ Responding to questions from representatives on the nature of the object, Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray said "I do not have an explanation for what this specific object is." He remarked that, since the release of last year's report, the number of reported UAP sightings has grown to more than 400 and that the incidents — many of which occurred in military training areas and designated airspaces and remain unidentified — were "frequent and continuing."

Bros…

>>14521200
In 2021

>>14521238
Ok shoot one down then pussies, what are you waiting for?

>>14521244
They are waiting for more grainy footage to surface a decade later

>>14521244
That’s a pretty bad idea regardless of who’s operating them. If they’re even targetable.

>>14521261
Retard take. You choose to enter sovereign airspace, you have the privilege to die in sovereign airspace. Shoot the fuckers down, or be court-martialed

>>14521261
Why? If the UFO belongs to hyper-advanced aliens it should be unaffected by human weaponry, if it belongs to lesser aliens it means we can kick their ass, and if it's just some phenomenon like ball lighting then nothing would happen so the mystery would be put to rest.

>>14521261
>NOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST

>>14520498
No you are a faggot

>>14521150
She was pretty high for me. Very cute smile

>>14520874
um sweaty it got double the expected mission life so you're just being a racist chud now

>>14521275
Because:
>Could be signals fucking up and you just shot down a civilian aircraft.
>Could belong to a glowie agency and destroying would be a very bad idea.
>Could be a form of mental duress and not anything real.

The reason why we don't shoot them down is because while they may sometimes violate our airspace they don't stick around for long (usually most sightings are for a few minutes) and aren't actively attacking us. If they were reenacting the military base scene from the first Bayformers then I'd agree, but the military won't attack first unless there has been violent provocation.

>>14521275
Since that’s how you get Malaysia Airlines flight 17

>>14521317
>>14521326
Obviously you wouldn't shoot them down before confirming that they're not passenger planes, or a radar glitch, and that the person in charge of all this didn't suddenly become schizophrenic. US glowies would know of the plan in advance, any other agency has it coming for spying. The craft cannot be manned because the g-forces involved would kill any human. It's almost certainly a natural phenomenon and shooting at it is the easiest way to discern that.

>>14520326

>>14521230
>pipe failure in sn24
SOURCE?
WTF

>>14521388
My man, were you not here to see all the pictures of the crumpled downcomer pipe?

>>14521391
That was B7.

>>14521391
that was b7 and its already been fixed

>>14521388
>Workers just removed a very bent section of pipe from Starship 24. Perhaps related to the bang noise and tiles falling off during cryo testing this morning? Removal can be viewed on my Live stream.
this was from the S24 cryo test yesterday

>>14521399
OHNNONONO

>>14521399
yea...this probably adds at least a few weeks or months to the timeline

>>14521399
>>14521403
ITS OVER!!!!!

24 HOURS OF DELAY

>>14521399
It's not that easy in cryogenics.

>>14521399
>*CLCHUNK*
>eeyup, that there’s your problem

>>14521399
How the fuck can it get that bent in a cryo test? Or did they bend it in two to get it out of the ship?

>>14521403
No! You cant just replace parts

damn...

>>14521504
what happened here?
unreported failures?

>>14521504
Starship should dwarf those when it gets online pretty quick

>>14521504
I’m still wondering how they convinced congress and safety officials to keep the shuttle flying after 2003

>>14521512
*pipe breaks*
*tile falls off*

>>14521607
iss required the shuttle to be constructed

>>14521610
>cryaboutit.gif

imagine living next to a launch site

>>14521510
bad weather

>>14521612
Couldn’t it have been technically feasible to use conventional rockets? If the canadarm can be affixed to a module then it could likely have been launched at the same time.
Although most cargo inside the station was also brought from the STS science lab so idk

>>14521610
Some mexican will fix it in a iffy no problemo

>>14521665
strap disposable mexicans to the side of the rocket

>>14521665
Oh shit meant jiffy lmao

>>14521677
The fix will surely be both iffy and done in a jiffy

>>14520395
https://pastebin.com/DyhmZ9WF

Made a youtube ahk script lmao

Now its automated reporting, no more manual clicking all the steps

>>14521703
pure pajeet solution

>>14519015
can a fellow Skeptic debunk this or is he really earning this much?

>>14521621
where is this?

>>14521727
plans for wenchang. they want to expand the spaceport by adding commercial pads.

sfg a mimir

>>14521749
Good, maybe now chinese rural villagers have a larger chance of not getting roasted alive with the entire village when a rocket stage drops on them.

oldspace is still bestspace

>>14521819
I think they'll still be dropping hypergolics from inland.

A year later and tiles are still dropping

>>14521850
Space is hard

>>14521850
But less and less, which means progress.
Does anyone have a photo of the first tile test they did on like SN5 or so?

>>14521081
Disgustang. How is it possible to find so many ugly women?

>>14521621
Chinese urban planning at its finest

>>14520703
Retarded retard.

reminder that people kvetching about chemical propulsion being le bad are worse than spaceplanefags

Why are they fucking up cryo tests lately?

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1530539737173438465
>Tim Alatorre of Orbital Assembly claims his company will have its first station in orbit in the “2025 timeframe” and three, rotating to provide artificial gravity, by the end of the decade. [Unclear if they have the hardware, funding, etc. to do any of this.]
How do these hacks get any respect at all? Seems like they're at a conference and speaking alongside much more legitimate people like Axiom and Orbital Reef.
(these are the voyager/von braun station guys)

>>14522029
>spaceplanefags
>poasts spaceplane

>>14522076
>poasts

>>14522075
Honestly axion and orbital reefer is only marginally more legitimate. I'll be surprised if they launch any station before 2035

>>14522038
If you don't test to the point of fucking things up, you won't know where the limits are.
This is why we test!

>>14521621
SimCity-ass CGI

>>14521399
This is what happens when you don't use space grade equipment

>>14522119
That was just incompetence. ADA already existed, there was no reason t use C++ even as a jobs program.

Or if you are going to use languages with low guarantees at least test a lot like spacex.

https://www.ilcdover.com/2022/05/26/ilc-dover-becomes-a-provider-of-ascent-entry-spacesuits-for-boeings-starliner/

At least it looks better than the Boeing suit

>>14522119
bloated programming. They probably used java. KISS

>>14522119
>Convert 64 bit floating point to 16 bit signed integer
>"lol, what's the worst thing that can happen?"

>>14522206
>tfw it’s better to hire a pajeet than an euro

>>14522215
If you want endlessly nested loops in your spaghetti code, maybe.

>>14522217
In my experience the biggest problem with pajeets is shotgun solutions because they are not familiar with the language or good design. Like abusing global variables, reimplementing functionality offered by the standard lib, not doing a bit more work to actually fix the problem (if problem then continue).

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/3480009-why-is-faa-approval-for-spacex-starship-orbital-launches-taking-so-long/

If you could make just one science fiction technology real, what would you choose?

>>14522273
For me, it would be the warp drive.

>>14522273
Matter replicator, energy+matter in and whatever material you want out the other side. Scarcity solved let's go to space now. Tea, Earl Grey, hot.

>>14522273
Lunar Starship

TROPICS-1 is now NET June 12 due to FAA fuckery.

>>14522335
who cares
starship should have won it

>>14521238
today I will remind them

>>14522351
And I'll remind (you) how many triangle-shaped UFOs there were reported in the years leading up to disclosure of the Stealth fighter.

>>14522273
wireless communication

>>14522351
the government should release actual data and not shitty videos without context or shut the fuck up.

>>14522355
> USAF jalopies can be mistaken for silent, kilogee accelerating ayyships
do Americans really ?

>>14522273
Muon-catalyzed fusion.
Don't need any other power generation. Also have as much electricity as you ever need or want. Having effectively free energy would open so many options.

>>14522364
Yes, many things are not disclosed yet.

musk should move the moon to the geostationary orbit. then it could be used as a vehicle to carry an infinite number of satellites. and it is actually pretty close already. 38k km vs 36k km

>>14521808
kek

>>14522383
If the Moon were in geostationary orbit we could built a space elevator to it.

>>14522383
I'm sure urf gubmints will allow Musk to do such a thing without any objection whatsoever. Might as well gift him all the solar codes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-27/relativity-s-3d-printed-rocket-on-path-for-summer-debut-flight
https://archive dot ph/lx8XA
https://twitter.com/thetimellis/status/1530586594784190464
Proonters "a few weeks" from launch. Also Jared Leto is an investor lmao.

>>14522434
Might be first methalox to make orbit

>>14522273
None.

>>14522029
They are usually the same people, the quintessential unreasonable space autist vehicle is a nuclear spaceplane, perhaps SSTO or with dolphin sex.
>>14522434
>Jared Leto investing in small-lift
That's why he is the perfect Joker, so wacky and unpredictable you'll never know what he'll do next.

>>14522472
>the quintessential unreasonable space autist vehicle is a nuclear spaceplane
if by unreasonable you mean unreasonably based

>>14520498
I'm not all that interested in sci-fi because it's all a big stupid fantasy. There's no competition between that and real human space exploration.

People seem to forget that not only was NASA poised to send astronauts to the planets in the 1970s using nothing but Saturn V, but also that our Solar System is full of worlds just waiting to be explored if only we build the spacecraft to do it. You don't need some fantasy bullshit FTL interstellar nonsense.

I myself have seen 19 of the worlds in our Solar System with my own eyes using nothing but a pair of binoculars and an shitty old telescope. I was able to up that count to 22 using a better telescope at the local planetarium. The reality is way better than fantasy.

>>14522499
>I myself have seen 19 of the worlds in our Solar System with my own eyes
Holy shit
>using nothing but a pair of binoculars and an shitty old telescope.
ah okay.

cumming

>>14522519
I'm bad at math but I think this means it surpasses Voyager 1 (150 AU) in 4 years (1 AU/48d)

NASA budget should be doubled

>>14522527
Starship diameter should be doubled

>>14522527
2x0=0

>>14522519
That's actually amazing

>>14522542
They got 24 billions this year.

>>14522499
All the photos we’ve seen of these other places up close show them to be little more than barren inhospitable wastelands. The photos we have of Venus’s surface are hideous. An entire planet looks like this. What exactly do you look forward to about exploring these places? The only thing to look forward to in my eyes is the possibility of terraforming these sandy barren shitholes into new homes for humanity and making something beautiful from them. There’s not even a wilderness to appreciate here. There’s no natural beauty to be seen. It’s just rocks and void. Any single mountain of Earth destroys the landscapes you will find on these planets. You could pick the most inhospitable, empty bit of desert on Earth and it would still be a thousand times more beautiful and diverse and lively than these empty dead wastes. What do you see that I don’t?

The only thing that intrigues me about these other planets in our system is the possibility of oceans beneath the surface hiding new lifeforms we can’t even imagine. But we won’t have the technology to explore them for likely centuries. So again, what exactly do you see in our current solar system that I don’t? How does real space exploration even remotely compare to sci-fi? It’s just drudge. Our solar system is drudge outside of Earth. Thousands upon thousands of man hours are spent so we can examine rocks. How do you not feel the tedium in it?

>>14522519
> 66 years to reach 500 AU
pathetic frankly

>>14522575
>muh rocks
We're doing it for the purpose of establishing an industrial base on the moon, mars and in the void.

>>14522576
>The Oort cloud, first described in 1950 by the Dutch astronomer Jan Oort, is a theoretical concept of a cloud of predominantly icy planetesimals proposed to surround the Sun at distances ranging from 2,000 to 200,000 AU
>from 2,000 to 200,000 AU
We are never gonna make it, bros...

>>14522581
>We're doing it for the purpose of establishing an industrial base on the moon, mars and in the void.
No we're not

>>14522588
What do you think colonizations means?

>>14522576
DFD can shorten that to 13 years https://w3.pppl.gov/ppst/docs/Cohen2017ibis.pdf

>>14522592
What do you think NASA is doing? Not that

>>14522364
>>14522355
>>14522373
Kids can't even recognize a weather ballon those day.

>>14522575
venus is so cool bros

>>14522575
Do you think SpaceX wants to go to Mars to take rock samples?
Get a fucking grip you faggot and stop shitting up the thread.
Scientific exploration is a nice thing to be doing but the purpose is spreading out, preparing the species to reach for the stars.
>>14522597
>What do you think NASA is doing?
Who cares about NASA? It's obvious they've become too cucked.

>>14522575
>little more than barren inhospitable wastelands
>There’s not even a wilderness to appreciate here
>There’s no natural beauty to be seen. It’s just rocks and void.
>Our solar system is drudge outside of Earth.
>How do you not feel the tedium in it?

If you hate reality so much, then go live in your fantasy world.

I appreciate the reality of space for what it is.

>>14522499
Based. I just bought a 60mm telescope yesterday. Waiting for weather to get better to observe the rings and starlinks. I honestly immediatelly regretted not getting a bigger one

>>14522581
I’ll believe it when I see it. It seems more likely to me that we examine these rocks because we can. I don’t think there’s a serious effort to colonise anywhere for now. I don’t think our technology is even remotely there. I think the efforts of Musk and others like him will lead nowhere. I hope I’m proven wrong, but I doubt it. Space exploration at the moment feels like a vanity project. Until a private company can explore and stand on its own two feet without government subsidies it’s blatantly a waste of resources. We can’t extract anything from space and profit. We don’t learn anything from manned missions that we couldn’t learn from unmanned missions. Our technology just isn’t there for us to inhabit and transform other worlds yet. So it’s all just drudge. And it will all vanish the moment there’s a serious economic downturn.

>>14522519
just launch a bunch of solid rockets with F9 and connect them together.

>>14522575
>The only thing to look forward to in my eyes is the possibility of terraforming these sandy barren shitholes into new homes for humanity
My personal fantasy revolves around digging tunnels there and inhabiting them with plants and animals.

>>14522616
>be ESA/roverfag
>accept muh roover superiority as an axiom
>now kvetch about your own lack of ambition mindset like it's a problem with the world and not yourself
just kill yourself already

>>14522369
>Don't need any other power generation. Also have as much electricity as you ever need or want. Having effectively free energy would open so many options.
That was the same argument used for fission and then simpler fusion processes. As long as a power plant costs money to build and operate it will never effectively be free. The closest thing to that is non-dispatchable energy sources generating a surplus and at times greatly reducing wholesale prices but very little of that makes it back to the everyday consumer and many utility companies have a local or regional monopoly. Note that most people still pay for water despite it covers the most of Earth's surface and literally falls from the sky.

>>14522614
>I just bought a 60mm telescope yesterday.
It's dangerous to go alone! Take this:
https://heavens-above.com/
http://www.cleardarksky.com/

Seriously though, using these two tools to choose optimal viewing opportunities a good 60 mm scope can show enough detail to positively identify regions on the surface of Mars. Whether or not your 60 mm scope is good is another question. Mine was made in Japan in the 1960s and they don't make them like they used to.

Oh well. I wish you good viewing!

>>14522630
I don’t lack ambition or whatever the Hell you’re talking about. I’m just being realistic. Musk talks out his ass. Just because you want us to colonise Mars in a few years doesn’t mean we’re going to. Or that it’s even possible. Ask yourself why if it’s possible for us to truly colonise another planet within 50 years, why we haven’t yet colonised the seafloor; an infinitely more hospitable and resourceful place than an empty rocky void a million miles away.

I’ll tell you why. Because it’s only slightly less challenging but not even remotely as sexy as conquering another world. SpaceX is bullshit. So are NASA. They’re all con artists who look at rocks and tell you “yeah bro we’re gonna build cities here in like 5 years bro trust me just round the corner bro”. They take billions from taxpayers for vanity projects that don’t lead anywhere because our technology just isn’t there yet. It’s insane. It’s drudge.

>At the mission’s Key Decision Point C review in 2019, NASA estimated a total lifecycle cost of $996.4 million for Psyche. A Government Accountability Office report a year ago on cost and schedule performance of NASA programs stated that the mission’s estimated cost had since declined slightly, to $957.6 million, reflecting the cost of the Falcon Heavy launch vehicle NASA selected for the mission in 2020.

>>14522649
thanks for the links. Chances are my 2010s Chinese scope wont beat your though kek. I might get a Plossl though

>>14521081
None because I’m gay

>>14522273
Event Horizon gravity drive/WH40k warp drive. Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see.

>>14522678
>$957.6 million
How the fuck? how is it so expensive??

>>14522699
>entirely bespoke design and components
>PI/staff salaries
>DSN communications

>>14522273
Guild Heighliners.
Why think small?

>>14522699
Space is hard.

>>14522663
>Just because you want us to colonise Mars in a few years doesn’t mean we’re going to.
Your mind is so dull. I have 50 years left and in the end it doesn't matter how many of those it takes to see the solar system settled one rock by another.
This a terminal value.
>Or that it’s even possible
Anything is possible retard. Do you see what happened in the world since the industrial revolution?
>muh seafloor
You're getting nothing out of living on the seafloor. You're securing the species a future by building space infrastructure.
>NASA
They have demonstrated no interest in colonization, they are to be disregarded.

>>14522699
thats for the cheap missions led by scientists. Once there is more money on the table you get JWSTs and Clippers

>>14522663
>why we haven’t yet colonised the seafloor
cretin

>>14522663
>They’re all con artists
>billions from taxpayers for vanity projects
You have to go back to R*ddit immediately.

>>14522663
They hated him because he told the truth

>>14522720
Humanity will not colonise Mars within either of our lifetimes or even our children’s.
>nothing out of the seafloor
You mean besides the vast treasure trove of untapped minerals and oil and basically everything that helps enrich humanity? And don’t give me that “securing the species future” shit. Every government in the world could collapse tomorrow and all crops could die and humanity would still survive and resurge within a few centuries. We’ve been through bottlenecks where only a couple thousand humans were alive in the entire world. If you had self-sustaining cities under the ocean, humanity would never go extinct. And imagine what we’d learn about surviving in harsh environments that could be applied to space exploration, about surviving in alien environments. I think you’re the small-minded one here.
>Anything is possible
Nah, not really. Generally we do whatever makes us profit. Space exploration and settlement won’t be profitable for centuries. It’s a vanity project at the moment. You overestimate our capabilities and don’t see the drudge for what it is.

>>14522692
> I’m gay
Sorry to hear that. Have you tried becoming a tranny so you can then be considered straight again?

>>14522764
>simping for ESAfag
kek the guy has shit for brains

>>14522663
Because there is no fucking point in colonizing the seafloor retard

>>14522720
>Do you see what happened in the world since the industrial revolution?
Yep, plenty of idiots with unrealistic grand project failing while those feasible with profit changed the world.
Colonizing Mars give you no profit and will take several century, that time could be used exploiting space resources and making sure Earth don't suffer a catastrophe in that period.
Idiotic Marsfag keep equating Mars to a new America but it would actually be easier to make self-sufficient colonies on Earth's seafloor than on Mars.

>>14522773
>muh seafloor again
Kill yourself
>not profitable = vanity project = drudge
Do it now

>14522809
>self-sufficient colonies on Earth's seafloor

>>14522818
still smarter than colonizing Mars

>>14522809
>Colonizing Mars give you no profit and will take several century, that time could be used exploiting space resources
>implying anyone is arguing against exploiting space resources
>implying importing space resources to earth makes sense
You exploit the resources for building infrastructure on the moon, mars and in the void.

>>14522742
>space
>only 15psi less than sea level
>sea floor
>hundreds of psi

>>14522906
>what is immersion diving
not agreeing with esafag btw

>>14522848
You have not been here often then. The Marsfirst club think any industrial side project is a conspiracy to keep the money away from Mars. Even Elon using the money would shacken their worldview.