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>>14853335
FTS Archive
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TWO WEEKS

Glass the earth, demigod war eventually

sfg is dead

Jay Leno at Starbase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wluBlr1j4qk

Im schwuasted and reposting anon post from last thread :) gnight boys im playin darts wirh a divorced guy (i fucjed his wife (((well technically she blowrd me but who's countin ahaha))))))

****(techmically ex wife ;)

soon

SpaceX should put a 20 meter telescope directly in front of JWST, using Webb as a secondary shield.

>>14853319
don't pull my leg, I actually want to know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wluBlr1j4qk

Internally SpaceX watches NSF live for their coverage lol

>>14853487
E wi hopefully find out when in November, with the ESA ministerial. Personally looking forward to Eucli finding the first quasars.

good morning spacecels
how's that moon base?

>>14852920
>>14852933
>>14852942
This is amazing. How is NASA actually doing something well?

>>14853513
Honestly, a south pole or far side lunar outpost would be incredibly gay because you couldn't check in on it from your backyard.

>>14853517
I'M...I'M GONNA SCROOOOOUB

So when's the next expected Artemis 1 attempt? They can't extend the certification for that emergency system thingy forever can they?

is it possible to see lights in the cities from the Moon

>>14853544
woah cat out of time

>>14853517
They've replaced the ones in charge of previous HLS picker with the Biden approved ones. We'll see

>>14853590
But that doesn't make any sense.

>>14853592
It does if you understand the timeline and the context where the original aware took place.

>Trump wants to go to the moon (away from Obama's Mars)
>Dems win congress
>Dems defund NASA's requested budget for HLS by allocating only 1/3 of the requested amount
>This achieves their desired goal of stopping Trump's goal of HLS
>Trump loses
>Biden wins
>NASA head admin resigns (as is tradition with new gov)
>Interm leads the decision making process without political heads involved
>Interm chooses Starship as winner
>Congress rage at (interm) NASA for choosing a HLS winner before Bill Nelson took his office
>Interm head picking Starship resigns
>Bill Nelson becomes head of NASA
>HLS manager gets demoted and removed from HLS program entirely
>Someone else gets chosen and placed at the helm

>>14853617
We were lucky

>>14853617
You forgot the part where they stop being shit and start being productive. You know, the part where it stops making sense.

>>14853617
Biden is based

>>14853487
Euclid will probe the history of the expansion of the universe and the formation of cosmic structures by measuring the redshift of galaxies out to a value of 2, which is equivalent to seeing back 10 billion years in the past. The link between galactic shapes and their corresponding redshift will help to show how dark energy contributes to the increased acceleration of the universe. The methods employed exploit the phenomenon of gravitational lensing, measurement of baryon acoustic oscillations, and measurement of galactic distances by spectroscopy.

From recent Tweets it seems like SpaceX expects Raptor 2s to be less than completely reliable in the near to mid term.

>>14853410
>reaches orbit first
nothin personnel kid

>>14853630
I miss 2018 when only one political faction used "based".
>>14853835
What tweets?

non-chinese on the station when?

>>14853517
because Congress hasn't gotten involved yet?

>nasa wants another moon lander
ok sure but who is viable?

>>14853959
>nasa wants another moon lander
NASA should be happy they get Starship to play with.

>>14853969
they are but they want redundancy

>>14853971
Meh, HLS has a malfunction, and elon mentions they already have 10 more out back with improved hardware.

>>14853971
A second Starship

>>14853971
They want endless contests and bidding, not a real mission. SLS will never launch, SLS can never end. HLS lander contract round 3 in 2024, coinciding with the restack and retest of the SRBs in anticipation of Artemis 1 (May She Never Fly, peace be upon the contractors, bless the senate amen)

>>14853971
No, they want regulatory capture. Aerospace is worth more than the world economy to any capture that escapes it and succeeds, which SpaceX is most likely in doing. Long after Elon dies, as long as the goal to put upwards of 100k people on the Moon or Mars happens, SpaceX goes from being a $125Bn to a $125T company. Tesla, alongside, will reach similar heights. Both his companies are set to completely diverge from traditional human history pathways. In doing so, they're all massive threats to existing bureaucracy, in that it will end the way politicians can line their pockets when private enterprise capability becomes light years ahead of government established methods. When SLS launches once every 2 years, at best, and throws away $3Bn of the $4Bn cost into the ocean every launch window, while SpaceX is launching to the tune of 100 SLS flights every 6 months and landing all of them, for less than the total cost of an entire SLS flight, the public begins to dangerously question the leadership capability of existing powers. It becomes impossible to not talk about it. Politicians then are forced to make long term decisions, for which, the payoffs they may never receive over short term decisions, for which the payoffs are always immediate and guaranteed.

It's all about how to maximize legalized bribery aka lobbying dollars.

>>14853526
>sky looker
>wants to ruin everything so he can look at the sky
No surprises here

>>14853630
based on animatronics

>>14854061
>technology
ngmi
Necromancy*

>>14853882
Not any time soon. One good thing they can claim about their half-a-century-late station is that they did it themselves (never mind their reliance on Russian technology). International cooperation would make it just a worse version of the current and future alternatives.

This was a good one

>>14854078
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBtYbn55dWA

>>14854078
Fineness Launch System is real

>>14853617
I hate politicians so much its unreal

Feels good to see this shit in a current NASA document though

>>14854113
Reusable politicians was never envisioned for our nation's mission profile, we should transition to rapidly expendable politicians instead. One and done single use, then drop them into the sea when their term is up.

> In the sustained phase, the HLS integrated lander will require the capability to dock to Gateway, land up to four crew members on the lunar surface for transfer to habitable lunar surface assets, operate for extended durations near the lunar south pole, and support eight-hour EVAs for the advancement of surface goals. Also, the agency has a goal of being able to perform two-crew sorties to non-polar landing sites

>up to 4 crew
>non-polar landings (possibly even far side)

LETS FUCKING GOOO

This is the NASA we all want

>>14854065
Thank you for pointing out my error

>>14854127
>transfer to habitable lunar surface assets
Hell yeah.

>>14854130
Artemis Base Camp is insane

>6.5 days
>4 EVA's
>8+ hours per EVA

unff

and that's just the sortie missions

>>14853971
they want redundancy for SLS

They are gonna welcome the spaciousness of Starship HLS up there around the moon

>>14854138
Nice, very nice. Let's see DRM-H-002's visualization.

>>14854138
>>14854156
We'll get to that

>>14854154
I just realized that these astronauts are going to have the most spacious travel. Once space travel becomes more regular they're going to shove more people into Starship, so things will get more crowded as they advance.

>>14854164
>>14854156

>>14854120
Where can I get this document?

>>14854164
>>14854167
Everything post-Altair is so ugly I'm glad that Starship HLS will replace most of these reference designs

>>14854169

If the moon had a breathable atmosphere and liquid surface water would it have developed life just due to proximity to Earth?

>>14854175
Maybe some panspermia when Earth got a particularly big impact, bigger problem would be keeping air/water on the lunar surface when all it wants to do is wisp away into space.

We will put life in Europa's oceans and see what happens

>>14854182
muh planppeary protectionns nooo you cant doo that nooo muh pristine scientific environoment

>>14854182
That's a really fancy way of saying "I'm gonna build an outhouse with a 5km shit tube."

>>14854164
>The Non-Polar Sortie missions could land at sites within a wide range of latitudes and are not restricted to solely the Earth-facing side, which requires the HLS integrated lander to be capable of operating in a wide range of
surface thermal and solar angle environments.

NASA wants a human landing at the far side so bad I can sense it lmao, first humans to stand on a surface without Earth visible in any direction they look... what's the best location to land on?

>>14854182
b-but that would cause a big new branch to form in the tree of life

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1571163692439322625
>One of the payload operators says the New Shepard-23 ballistic reentry reached 15 Gs during its return to Earth. At this force passengers would have passed out, but it probably would not have been fatal.
>15 Gs
>probably
OHNONONONO

>>14854193
>sea scorpions
>trilobites
>ammonites
>armored fish
>extinct

>>14854205
once we introduce a few random species into Europa a biosystem beyond our wildest imagination will form

>>14854205
i miss them too

>>14853491
yeah it'd be 2g

>>14854197
Someone needs to go to jail for this

>>14853491
>>14854229 is right. 1g is normal. A rocket with 1g of thrust just hovers. But the crew still experience 1g since they're basically standing on a floating platform.

>>14854197
I saw the tweet and the first thing that came to mind was "Someone on /sfg/ is going to be going Oh No Bros No No No No."

I feel very comfortable in this relationship.

>>14853959
Just have Northrup Grumman build an apollo lem.

>>14853292
>if you have a rocket whose engines can accelerate it with 2Gs launching off a planet with 1G surface gravity, the ship will accelerate at 1G. But how many will the crew inside experience? 3?
If a rocket is accelerating at 2g (20m/s/s) it's accelerating at 2g (20m/s/s) no matter what the planet's gravity is like. If the rocket engines are thrusting just enough so that the rocket can hover the rocket's acceleration is 0g (0m/s/s)

You fags will turn around on Gateway just you wait, will prove to be a vital and versatile staging ground

>>14854250
A hovering rocket is under 1g load

>>14854250
to add to that if the rocket is accelerating vertically at 5 g an accelorometer internal to the rocket will measure 5 g + the value of acceleration that bodies in freefall experience on that planet

>>14854197
15 Gs can be lethal and fatal for the passengers BO has flown. Some of which are not physically fit at all.

So much different from Apollo

>>14854268
landing the sample return helis will much simpler.

>>14854264
It would have killed Shatner 100%.

>The HLS integrated lander will have the capability to land automatically without crew on board

>>14854057
I don't want those lazy, inevitably EARTHER contractors sitting around on their asses wasting my tax dollars. They need accountability and constant monitoring, similar to small children or a retarded dog.

SpaceX I trust to build a base wherever idc.

>>14854264
For comparison, Crew Dragon abort accelerates away at 3.3Gs

Tesla Plaid does ~1.3Gs and some people already feel like they're seeing white lights at that acceleration

15Gs are insane. Some humans have shown on record to survive, but its rare.

You can pass out at 3.6g easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMKcO-T5Y4o

>>14854254
It only exists because SLS is too underpowered to get to the lunar south pole on its own so rendezvous with orion and HLS could never happen in earth parking orbit, and it is only supported because it’s a freak show of expensive parts that have already begun fabrication so now congress can’t cancel it thus it provides political stability to Artemis. Nothing about it is “cool” other than the fact that SLS is so gay it doesn’t have the cadence to launch it so now SpaceX is giving it a hitchhike with the FH

>>14854282
Why would it do that? If you're landing cargo you still need someone there to unload boxes of shit.

>>14854290
It will be the ISS of the moon

>>14854291
Unloading can be automated, done remotely, or by someone who arrived on another lander.

>>14854295
>pressurized volume: 123 m^3
>only manned one month every 2 years
yeah okay fag

>>14854301
I seriously doubt it, NASA will seek to expand beyond just SLS Orion

>>14854197
This is very misleading and disgraceful reporting by Eric Berger. Crewed launches have more mass so g force would be much less.
Eric should stop posting retarded tweets.

>>14854217
>>14854182
I can't wait, do it do it I wanna see what happens, how many whales and sharks and squid can starship hold?

>>14854298
>or by someone who arrived on another lander.
That one seems more likely, automating unloading with robots sounds like a massive waste of time. Even with the HLS Starship using the higher-up engines to land, astronauts are still gonna have to shelter when a lander comes down.

>>14854197
But that webm clearly says "Zero-G"

NASA's got the right idea

your encapsulet bro

>>14854307
thousands in larvae form

>>14854286
>>14854197
Thats the crazy part. If BO has been flying passengers with 15Gs as their abort acceleration, then thats an issue. BO really needs a safety threshold and redesign their safety systems. They're essentially flying without any reliable safety systems. Death can easily happen at this type of operational procedures.

>>14854254
>we need a space station to get to the moon!
>why? we didn't back in the 70s
>because it's an important stepping stone to mars

Gateway exists because some compete retards in NASA wanted to include a trial run Mars mission habitat in the lunar program. Artemis III isn't going to be using Gateway for its mission. There's no reason why we need a lunar station but the same faggots who think that SLS and Orion are going to be vital parts of the Mars exploration are still allowed to provide input for mission designs.

>>14854314
anon I really appreciate you doing the reading for rest of the class
I still wish we didn't have to depend on NASA, wish some private company did it by themselves. Just say the coords and pay and boom.

Why does Orion cost so damn much

>>14854330
after re-use post Artemis IV it will be cheaper

>>14854330
It's been in development since George W Bush was President.

>>14854320
15G at the peak. We don't know for how long those forces were sustained. Even old people can take some pretty high accelerations provided the period is short enough.

>>14854340
This guy in the video >>14854286 here passed out in a second at 3.6G. He's a healthy adult in his early-mid 30s when the video was made.

At 15G, if you're over the age of 60, you'd pass out and probably die of brain aneurism/heart attack/etc. The abort engine firing seems to have lasted atleast 20 seconds, so thats a long time.

HLS disposal strategy

>>14854326
its some damn good reading, I wont be reading the rest of the docs just this one, the only interesting one

G force should be easy to calculate based on telemetry.
Sustained 15g for 20 seconds is mathematically impossible.

>>14854330
Because the purpose of Orion is to cost as much as possible.

https://youtu.be/5OWUsMfCVWY

Morning, /sfg/.

Interesting contingencies

>>14854366
the capsule is tumbling and spinning

>2022
>still cant rent space on a space station
>cant even rent space on a satellite
dark timeline

>>14854330
Materials-wise it's probably average for going-to-space missions
After that is when things start getting crazy: because it's aerospace every single part installed has a paper trail from the time it is made to the time it is installed
Since it's purpose-built it also amortizes its R&D cost across every planned unit
Because it is manned, that R&D cost is not cheap
And then, after all of that is said and done, it gets marked up to whatever acceptable profit margin they got in negotiations

>>14854376
>>cant even rent space on a satellite
wdym, you can rent bandwidth on a satellite. That's how blockstream streams the bitcoin blockchain.

>>14854374
>single crew capability to operate and fly the vehicle
Goddamn that's fucking radical. Imagine being the lone astronaut piloting your very own Starship. Imagine waking up to absolute peaceful solitude every day of the drift towards Mars. Damn.

>The Human-class Delivery Lander (HDL) Concept of Operations (ConOps) describes the general
concepts associated with the delivery of large Cargo that either remains integrated with the HDL
on the Lunar surface, or that is offloaded from the HDL. The HDL is not intended to deliver crew.
The HDL and Cargo will be launched by the HDL provider’s procured launch vehicle(s) (LV), and
the HDL will be expected to perform complete delivery to the surface. Providers may choose any
approach to launch, aggregation, or staging architecture within the bounds of the HDL’s and the
Cargo’s operational and environmental limits.

I *still* don't understand why we need SLS + Orion for Artemis when we have Starship.
Can't we just use Starship + HLS and
Starship + 2nd lunar lander?
Or New Glenn + 2nd lunar lander.
Why SLS?

>>14854350
The escape motor wouldn't have produced 20 seconds of 15G acceleration. SRBs never produce constant acceleration like that. Here's a thrust vs. time graph for the Titan IV SRBs. Most solids have a burn pattern that looks something like this.

That guy in the centrifuge is also sitting in a different pose from the passengers on New Shepard. His head is at the top with the acceleration pushing down towards his feet. This makes sense for that centrifuge since it's RAF hardware and needs to simulate the kinds of things fighter pilots would be expected to encounter. Crewed rockets have the acceleration vector running backwards through the chest rather than downwards along the spine which lets you tolerate higher G loads for longer.

I'm not saying it'd be a pleasant experience but thinking that the abort motor would automatically cause every old on board to stroke out and die is misunderstanding the forces at play.

>>14854405
It is mandated by law. The law is decided by the Senate. The Senate has vested financial interests in SLS continuing production. Therefore, we must arrest the entire Senate for money laundering.

>>14854416
reported to Jan 6. Committee

>>14854405
To be fair, we don't "have Starship." Starship is in development but it's a long way from being real. And if shit goes down and SpaceX goes bankrupt, Starship just evaporates like a dream at sunrise.

>>14854422
Pretty sure that's a screenshot from KSP.

>>14854430
if Starship evaporates then Artemis 3 is no-go.
The next HLS will be build by... 2028? 2030? We were supposed to go to Mars by then..

>>14854439
it's over....

>>14854412
One might add that it was positive Gs (probably the 15) during the initial abort and then hard negative Gs while the motor was still firing. The drag in the transonic regime quickly overpowered the thrust.

>>14854374
>and crew exposure to toxic
???

>>14854450
The only song that can incapacitate a crew...

>>14854405
Listen muskcuck, Starship is a fake, a phony, a fraud. it's bascally the same technology nasa had in the 50s. space-x is barely slowly crawling back to parity with stale nasa tech. ever heard of dcx? redstone? yeah, that's falcon9. starship is a bigger dcx, except nasa dcx worked and starship crashed about 10 times. i know which one i put money on

love how low lovely Earth will be on the horizon

new ONIONS just dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzplxkfPdEA

>>14854464
Can you check if Thunderf00t has any new SpaceX takedowns? I think /sfg/ needs a reality check

1080p live stream video during EVA LETS GOOO

>>14854472
>1080p in 2026
the average person will have 8k by then

>>14854476
space always lags behind, ISS just got UHD 4 years ago

>>14854472
Wifi on the fucking moon. Can we just take a moment?

>>14853630
Based at sniffing kids.

>>14854476
>the average person will have 8k by then
you're probably mistaken
4k at most. we've been at 1080p for many years, it's just not that much of an improvement for quadratically more work

>>14854472
>>14854478
Look into a company called Aquarian Space
I still think the lunar market is 10 years too early but people are jumping into shit like that now

>>14854430
US military won't allow Space X to go bankrupt, they are in the MIC club now

>>14854472
>HLS mounted cams
>2k radius for non-LTV surface ops
>Starship HLS is 120m tall

hooooly shhiiitt, imagine the views from that thing, giving a wide overview of the whole LZ area, SpaceX better not skimp out on the HLS cams

>>14854472
1080p at 15fps

>>14854472

>>14854254
I'm expecting gateway to morph in to the ISS succesor anyway in the future.
ISS is going to be deorbited in the next decade and it's just more logical to have a new spacestation at the moon as support to moon missions.

>>14854483
you mean we've been at 4K for many years

>>14854494
Yep, NASA wants to hand off LEO to commercial space as soon as they possibly can, then they can fully focus their efforts on lunar and moon, the more assets they have there the harder it is to kill politically, Gateway practically guarantees the moon

>>14854498
lunar orbit*

>>14854493
>>14854472
Just think of the sheer difference in total data sent from Moon to Earth during all of Apollo, and then during Artemis III.

Artemis III total data stream will probably be 2x that of the entire Apollo 10-17 missions

>>14854486
>Starship HLS is 120m tall
what did he mean by this

>>14854493
So much landing criteria

lunar deep drill cores wen?
lunar prospecting wen?
lunar oil exploration wen?

>>14854515
Locating, exploring and settling lunar lava tubes wen

Artemis time tables are already so fucking bad and, without a doubt, everything will need to be pushed back 4-5 years. Everything feels like a huge black pill

>>14854508
>Starship is as tall as a wind turbine
>Starship is 35 stories tall

Starship is big!

>>14854519
>>14854508

>>14854518
NASA isn't making it any easier on themselves or HLS or the astronauts which such restrictive and challenging conditions compared to a simple equatorial landing

>>14854134
>>14854127
>>14854138
HLS Starship has enough volume to support up to 25 people on the Moon for arguably a full 3 months or more with stored mass within the pressurized area alone, and up to another 3 months via the unpressurized cargo section. NASA is being hyper conservative with 4 crew, in part, because Orion can hold a maximum of 6 people. Effectively sending 6 people to the Moon per launch for the next 10-15 years is painfully slow.

>>14854527
Its gonna be a challenge from the very first lunar return

NASA keeping the final location a guarded secret lmao

>>14854472
they WILL fuck this up

>>14854154
If HLS Starship was to be docked to the gateway, its going to be such a joke having a 165 foot tall hotel docked to basically a camper van. I suspect that astronauts will spend more time in the HLS Starship when docked to gateway and only move over to the gateway for when science needs to be done or they need to communicate with mission control through the high gain antenna or w/e. Though, with the way HLS Starship will be built, its basically Gateway 5.0 and can do everything it can and more.

>>14854540
They really don't want to give the Chinese a chance to preempt their landing site, do they

>>14854543
Not one bit lmao, it will be within 6 degrees of the South Pole, and one of these locations, and thats all we get till the astronauts are in orbit

>>14854531
We don’t know the final volume of HLS moonship do we? Unless it’s been published, I wouldn’t be surprised if the interior is heavily modified from what Musk has been implying for base SS with NASA allocating a lot of space for cargo and science equipment with only an airlock and a few rooms for actual astronaut space. If orion is limited to ~4 astronauts, then that is your bottleneck and you will design HLS starship around that

>>14854472
>5ghz
why? do 2.5 get better range and plenty throughput

>>14854542

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzplxkfPdEA
>Miranda engine will be tap-off
>8% higher thrust on 2nd Alpha flight, other performance increases coming
otherwise this isn't worth watching

Also, is Estronaut stuck in California with Firefly if SLS makes another attempt? It crossed my mind after the second scrub as a possibility, but now the dates are aligned.

>>14854543
Artemis would have to suffer some significant delays for China's 2030 landing date to be able to get there first. Artemis I would have to explode on launch for them to have a real chance.

>>14854548
r0lling

>>14854552
>two weeks

>>14854556
LMAO

>>14854556
higher chance for SLS to scrub.
>>14854550
It's that easy when you have no noise

>>14854264
>>14854279
On average, the age of Blue Origin's passengers have been 40-50+. If Bezos had been on this flight, for example, good chance he would be in the ER right now--he might have even died. 15G is absolutely insane. 15G is 1.5x the amount of g-forces experienced by a capable pilot conducting aircraft maneuvers in an F-22 at supersonic velocities. And these people are in specialized suits AND are trained for it, and can still black out from it. Untrained travelers, many of whom who are in their 50s and 60s will die if they experienced it.

you all are too bitchy about 15 g. It only lasts a few seconds and shuffles the blood around and that's it.

15 g what are you talking about 10 g they clearly only experienced 8.5 g during abort the g monitors show it clearly at 5 g the passengers would have been completely fine at the 3 g's the capsule experienced on safe abort

>>14854527
NASA being over-ambitious is one of the few great things about the Artemis landings

>>14854558
>Artemis I would have to explode on launch for them to have a real chance.
not out of the question. Granted even the 5DY seems to be in design limbo. Anyone with interest in the moon is going at a snail’s pace

>>14854570
Yeah for real, and Starship HLS matches that ambition

>shrugs off 46 g
Pussies

>>14854574
Stapp was in a league of his own, man could probably ride an SRB to orbit on top

rereeeeeee i hate being a normiee

this is pretty cool

>>14854578
just order a FOIA bro

>>14854519
>>14854486
Statue of Liberty is 93 meters tall fully stacked, but 46 meter on top of the base.
Starship stacked is 120M, 50M with just Starship.

>>14854584
i got a better

>>14854573
I would even argue NASA wouldnt be so bold without SpaceX and Starship. It shows a surprising amount of confidence on their part. I can't quite remember who I heard it from, but some insider expects Artemis to "evolve" once landings get underway, both in terms of base camp expansion and competing BLEO crew launch (marketed to congress as redundancy to SLS), eventually replacing SLS/Orion with commercial options

>>14854590
Fuck that would be awesome, we have a lot to make up for loitering 40 years in LEO

>>14854567
If I did it, I would go to prison. But when Bezos does it? You clap

This one is interesting too

>>14854593

>>14854197
There's no way to sugarcoat this.

>>14854472
>>14854493
>SpaceX as part of demo1 HLS to the moon (uncrewed), adds a Starlink cargo/launch port to the vehicle
>adds 6 Starlink Gen2 satellites to HLS, sacrificing 15T from any notional payload NASA wants
>HLS Starship gets to the moon, during descent, it pauses in a specific lunar orbit, and launches 1 satellite every 30-45 seconds
>then descends to target
>each Gen2 Starlink satellite is expected to support up to 60Gbps bandwidth
>for a total of 360Gbps bandwidth across a 5-750km surface area per satellite
>there's now coverage across the dark side of the moon as well
>gen2 satellites will be configured to talk with gateway
>demo2 HLS arrives
>descends to a specific lunar orbit, orients itself facing the poles
>launches another 6 Gen2 satellites
>for another 360Gbps coverage and support
>all HLS Starship spacesuits come with 4K60Hz mounted cams and 8K60Hz with multi-spectral capability science cams
>all suits are capable of talking with an overhead Starlink satellite
>all suits are capable of independent live streams
>all SpaceX rovers are capable of similar optionalities
>all suits will have their own twitter accounts
>astronauts can at any time tweet from the moon, take selfies, and post clips of what they're doing or looking at in the form of a picture or video
>NASA's panties are soaked
>every other aerospace company in HLS is seething

>>14854593
>>14854597
This is the real nitty gritty

>>14854571
That's why I'm not completely ruling it out. If Artemis II has to be a do over like OFT-2 was, then we might have a race, but probably not even then. The 5DY could be built a lot quicker than the LM-9, but there just isn't any real political will in Beijing to build a moon rocket, even one that doesn't require the design of new engines or 10m tooling. 2030 is still a very optimistic date for China.

>>14854173
>>14854396
>>14854597
link to this >>14854578 complete list of documents please

>>14854350
>>14854563
It doesn't matter if they pass out because they aren't piloting the rocket.

>>14854610

>>14854588
If you've never seen an F1 engine in person, please anons make pilgrimage. It's not the most advanced engine ever, but the sheer size and brutal nature of it impressed me in a way few things have. An object so simple in purpose, made to do one thing only, and performing its mission admirably.

>>14854625
It's true, they're so fucking big.
Pic related, Alamogordo NM

>>14854604
well fuck you too guys https://sam.gov/opp/69caee776b304322a256acd0b5deaf57/view#attachments-links

>>14854598
I'm gonna need a new tissue box

>>14854549
You can fairly argue that the usable habitable volume for the HLS Moonship will be ~40% more than the total usable volume of the ISS. That's a reasonable estimate on the high side and ~25% more total usable volume of the ISS on the low side. Either way, its massive. And that's independent of the storage volume of the dual redundant airlocks AND, AND; the unpressurized cargo volume BELOW that (but above the fuel tank/batteries), which is expected to hold up to 50-100T of additional cargo. The Moonship is 9 meters across, that's 27 feet. For context, your living room on average is about 20 feet long, add the kitchen to that and you're at around 33 feet. So from your front door to halfway into your kitchen is how wide the Moonship physically is.

Let's assume that a solid two feet of space is going to go into setting up the walls, kevlar reinforcement material, electrical, pipes for fluid of various types, and general purpose system hardware. So from 27 feet you drop down to 25 feet. Then from your front door to 1/4th of the way into the kitchen. That's how wide is the usable volume. Next, remove about 6 feet of space from the center of that for the central column/tube by which astronauts move up and down through the decks. That gives you 9.5 feet on either side of the tube as usable space. An average bathroom is about 9-10 feet wide. So if you walk into any bathroom, from the door all the way to the shower wall is how much space in depth you have. Now circumference that and that's the usable volume horizontally. Each ring segment of the Starship is 3 meters tall, which is 9 feet. Which means each deck is 9 feet tall. Let's assume that each deck will lose about 1 feet in depth for electrical, pipes, general purpose hardware, and storage.

The ceiling of each deck is going to be 8 feet. Average ceilings in houses are about 8 feet, so each deck is as wide as a bathroom that wraps around the central column and the Moonship has 8 core decks. Huge useful space.

>>14854627
That's missing most of the bell

>>14854637
True, even without it it's still fuckhuge though. I wonder why that museum removed the bell, or maybe NASA did before donating it? Seems it'd be more impressive to leave it uncut.

>>14854642
Americans cant stand uncut things. Thats why they had to remove it.

>>14854598
>>every other aerospace company in HLS is seething
kek. I'd like to see them provide even 1/3rd of what Starship HLS can

>>14854604
https://sam.gov/opp/846a06fdcf3e408fa84ab6ac93b8cdc8/view

>>14854631
Wrong one

>>14854652
Original Published Date: Sep 16, 2022 03:00 pm CDT

>>14854635
https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/cylinder-volume

1. 8 decks at 3m height per deck = 24m height
2. 4.5 meter radius = 9 meter diameter
3. Total usable cubic volume as a result of the calculation is pic related: 53,918.93 cubic ft.

Now, we're going to subtract 1/2 a meter from the height of each deck and 1/2 of a meter from the radius for all the space that will be lost for walls, supporting hardware, and storage. Which means our new variables are:
1. 8 decks at 2.5m height = 20m usable height
2. 4m radius = 8m usable diameter
3. Total usable cubic volume as a result of the calculation then is: 35,502.18 cubic feet.

According to this site: https://www.atobmoving.com/movesize.html, a 5 bedroom house is approximately 1300 cubic feet. That means, each Starship has a total usable volume (this time including the dual redundant airlocks AND unpressurized cargo area) of 27 5 bedroom houses. Let's assume that this math is too generous and drop that by 50%. That still means that the Moonship will have the equivalent space of 13.5 x 5 bedrooms worth of volume. That's absolutely nuts. Starship is such a game changer, it makes every other lander ever built and arguably to be built in the next 20 years by anyone else, a complete nonstarter. You have more usable space in a single Moonship than all of apollo capsules, lunar landers combined and maybe even all space shuttle launches with their crew sections added in.

>>14854627
this doesn’t do it justice. The Saturn V at JSC is ball numbingly large and it’s almost comical to see the fuckhuge engines and a giant rocket spanning the entire breadth of the hangar only to then see the small little Apollo capsule at the very end. So much energy for such a small little space craft just to reach our own natural satellite

>>14854652
>>14854654
Oh I see thank you. Had it all unzipped and organized already too

gotta love how NASA operationalizes the fuck out of simple manual tasks

>>14854662
If you're going to hire people like Boeing to make a lander, every single thing it needs to be able to do needs to be explicitly in writing or they will either not do it or charge you a shitload to change the spec

lmao at the last sentence

>>14854668
Alternately (and because NASA is legally banned from assisting China's space program in any material way), because these documents are meant to be public this could also be NASA's way of telling CNSA that they need a lander capable of at least this much if they plan to send taikonauts to the lunar surface

NASA astronaut training insight

>>14854680

>>14854662
It happens

>>14854689
Modern NASA would never

>>14854598
>each Gen2 Starlink satellite is expected to support up to 60Gbps bandwidth
Wrong. Starlink Gen1 was supposed to do ~20Gbps. Musk said Gen2 has ~10x the bandwidth capacity, so that's 200 Gbps per Sat.

Swamp Works does some cool shit

>>14854714
They got a broad mandate and were set loose on blue-sky R&D, ya love to see it

>>14854717
That's one of the best things NASA can do, one of the things they are best equipped to do

>>14854543
>>14854548
They should announce it, let the Chinese land there, then use that as an excuse to scale up 10x what they were originally going to do.

cool shit from Stennis ASL

>>14854078
Sorry Ken not going to watch your video.

>>14854579
>super teeny tiny barely visible orange ring attached to the Sun
>that's actually the orbit of Mars

>>14854728
Whose Ken?

>>14854727
>They're building a Killdozer for the moon
praise him

>>14854731
BEAST is gonna be awesome, can't believe NASA is doing shit again

>>14854325
Why are you talking like a peasent squabbling with his wife about how they can't afford another outhouse, you are talking about the greatest and wealthiest and most advanced nation in world history, it shouldn't be a question of moon base or mars base, or you not thinking moonbase would be cool because it's uneeded for mars. Humans should put a base/s on the moon simply because it would be cool, they should be able to by now, they put buildings every where else why wouldn't one on the moon be cool, useful, helpful.

>>14854730
The guy who runs that youtube channel, he was recently whining on twitter about how his view count is way down and didn't want to believe he was riding the wave of excitement from the Starship hop tests.

Jesus

>>14854740
:(

>>14854738
Ah well he only has 18k subs thats like nothing in modern youtube terms he;s at the mercy of the algo, at least this video is genuinely good so of course it will go ignored

>>14854405
>I *still* don't understand why we need SLS + Orion for Artemis when we have Starship.
SLS is at least based on a rocket that has been to orbit
Starship hasn't flown more than half way to orbit I don't think

Everything so meticulously planned no wonder Skylab rebelled

>>14854740
That's what we like to call foreshadowing.

>>14854486
Will there be rovers with HD cams that just film themselves exploring the surface? How nice would that be going along for the ride with them visually

>>14854770
Don't see why NASA wouldn't put that on their LTV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Astronaut_Group_2
today's featured article!

>>14854740
Honestly it's a major concern. Who knows how a woman's ovaries might react in such close proximity to the moon; that is how they get their periods after all.

>>14854588
Imagine it starship and the booster work flawlessly and imply the concept is sturdy and stable and a twice as big in all dimensions starship and booster work as well

>>14854793
Maybe we could inhibit their hormones. could we give them testosterone? is there an aerospace grade? or better yet leave them at home to watch the kids

>>14854805
>a twice as big in all dimensions starship and booster work as well
unnecessary with orbital refueling

It's that easy in rocketry

>>14854784
>back row L to R
no piloting skillz, got rekt
prick
legend
F
Galapagos tortoise
>front row L to R
class clown
manlet
robot
most accomplished astronaut ever

so uh...how is starship supposed to stay powered during the lunar night?

>>14854826
Methane oxygen generator like zubrin intended

>>14854836
speaking of zubrin, when is he going to space? someone crowd fund him a trip on bezos's dildo.

>>14854593
>Personal Hygiene and Body Waste
What was that about Artemis being an all-female program?

>>14854826
i don't think there's any plans for that yet. you could stay months at the south pole with continuous illumination.
it only becomes a problem when you're talking about permanent habitation

>>14854818
Pete Conrad was so based. Big F to the class clown

Here's my organized version of the SLD documents. https://easyupload.io/mxlgob

>>14854683
There's no way that Starship is going to be piloted down. That thing is too massive to joystick it during landing. You could fly it in space though. It's basically a SuperMAV from The Martian.

>>14854698
360Gbps is such overkill for the Moon in bandwidth that the notional difference between 360Gbps and 1.2Tbps as a result is non-existent. They're effectively the same for Artemis for the ENTIRE decade.

>>14854861
good lord anon this is like 9 gigs of krystal porn...i mean it's funny but seems like going really for for a joke

engineerlet here, why do jet engines and gas turbines have relatively high exhaust temperature compared to their combustion chamber temperatures, rocket engines as a comparison have a much lower exhaust temperature relative to the combustion chamber temperature

>>14854861
Good lord

>>14854747
>Midday Meal
>0 hours
The American taxpayer will never stand for this monstrousness.

>>14854747
This is because every other HLS lander except for Moonship will not have the operational flexibility to fuck arounxd and have a good time. If the goal of Artemis is to have a maximum of 4 people on the Moon at any given time, and two of those missions are going to leverage HLS Starship. What the fuck are you going to do in an 8 story tall apartment building where each floor is approximately 9x9x9 feet? There's enough space in HLS Starship that you can LITERALLY assign two whole decks PER crew member as habitation volume. But anything BlOrgin or NatTeam or Boeing solo or LockMart solo or any other company solo or ESA or JAXA brings to the table on average will be 1/8th that AT BEST.

It's going to take upwards of 20 fucking years for anyone not SpaceX to catch up with HLS Starship in 2023. No shit NASA HAS to meticulously document everything and every activity with planning and contingencies upon contingencies upon contingencies. HLS Starship can literally have half an entire deck as a hospital. In fact, I fully expect it to be treated as a one with all other landers and crew on the Moon effectively treating it as a landmark where they go to in case of an emergency. It's not out of the realm of possibility that by Q4 2025-2026, there may be at least 3 HLS Starships on the Moon at any given time and 1 more in orbit or docked to the gateway.

>>14854891
You're too optimistic. Expect them to go down on the number of refueling launches to 'mitigate risk' until Starship has similar payload capability to the lunar surface as the smaller landers.

https://youtu.be/DPPQ0ht0XCI
Dolphin Double Penetration

>>14854655
But can it stablely land on the moon and take off again

Listen jack, 15g escape system is perfectly safe
Now get in the pod

>>14854904
doubt

>>14854909
it should. only 36% gravity to deal with.

>>14854909
It's got a massive ring of RCS thrusters on top to keep it from tipping over

>>14854927
Whether or not New Origin killed astronauts, IT DOESNT MATTER. NTSB and FAA must press charges as if they did, and be prosecuted to the maximum extent. This can never happen again

>>14854875
Different fuels, cold rocket fuel, different methods of combustion, (maybe different pumping systems?) I would geuss but I hope someone who actually knows answers

If pure co2 is available what's the best way to separate the oxygen and carbon

Extraterrestrials were found, disovered by the US coastguard. Documents are highly classifified, unlikely that i can retrieve them,but at least I can attest to their existence.

>>14854425
MMSEV bros is it happening?

>>14854952
Sit yo Notional Cargo ass down

>>14854951
This man is delusional. Take him to the infirmary.

>>14854950

>>14854950
>>14854979
So many parallels its amazing

>>14854950
>quoting random nobodies in a discus comment section

construction of the first ship of the Zumwalt class began in 2011 and it entered service in 2020

>>14854990
>doesn't get the point
This contract fuckery and disappointing long wait for inferior, less capable systems isn't just unique to NASA, its our military too, especially the Navy

>entered service
Without a functioning main gun system

The Zumwalt or LCS are the SLS of the US Navy

>>14854826
Avg American home uses ~30 kwh per day

Tesla Model S has 100kwh battery pack. Thats' 3 days of electricity.

Add in a solar panel that recharges and you're good to go.

F35 is the SLS of the Air Force

>>14855005
It is

>>14854993
>discus randos give a cool story bro about mil contracts they have no actual knowledge of

The AGS guns of the Zumwalts are fully functional as are their 80 vls cells.

apparently other countries are buying the F-35 so I wouldn't say it's exactly SLS...

>>14855011
Yeah, the gun works it just costs a million dollars to fire IIRC

>>14855011
>>discus
From https://news.usni.org

>the AGS guns
Have no ammo and the Navy is stripping them to replace with hypersonics, do try and keep up https://news.usni.org/2022/03/16/latest-zumwalt-hypersonic-missile-installation-plan-calls-for-removing-gun-mounts

>>14855005
The SLS is the best performing and cheapest heavy lift rocket?

>>14855019
lol don't even start, F-22 shits all over the F-35 in A2A

F-35 tries to be a jack of all trades

>>14855019
f-35 is an abomination. Just look at the damn thing. How much money did they spend on the vertical landing capability. In 2022 any plane could be made to land vertically by just adding landing legs to the rear and landing it like F9, obviously this would require control software but that is much simpler than this convoluted nozzle

>They're turning the Zumwalt into an arsenal ship

Should've just done that from the start

>>14855015
USNI uses disqus for its comments

>hypersonics

Yes the Zumwalts are getting APM cells in place of the rear AGS mount, a comment like "Without a functioning main gun system" still makes you look like a moron.

>>14855034
Can't function without ammo

>>14855043
Canadarm joint but with a jet engine at the end

>>14855021
You would rather be in an F-35 than an F-22, that an F-22 shits over everything else is just a reminder of how fucking scary it would be to have to face an F-35. And that isn't even taking into consideration that production lot 15 will bring the total number of F-35 to over 900 aircraft.

>>14855047
900 too many, could have bought like 10 SLS's with that money

>>14855047
They went with the f-117 strategy to make tat sensor in the front stealthy. I think that's an IR cam

>>14855051
Yes that 'glass' box under the nose is a powerful IR sensor.

>>14855027
Tail sitters were explored even before thurst vectoring, it's not new. The problem it would have is exactly what Harriers suffered from. While landing the exhaust quickly gets drawn into the intake and the engine heats up. This is why the F35 has a lift fan.

>>14855005
nah
F-35 is actually fairly cost effective now when the development cost spreads out over many orders from all over the world
they are under $80M a piece - less than Rafale, Typhoon, Su-35, J-20, etc.

>>14855005
End this meme.

Before their music career, the Beastie Boys had a brief stint as cosmonauts. In 1964, the future hip hop trio flew to space aboard Voskhod 1. Although he died tragically in the Soyuz 1 disaster, Adrock reportedly said "fuck that bullshit!", came back to life, and formed the group with the others. The experience later prompted them to write "Intergalactic".

L-R: Adrock, Mike D, MCA

>starlink launch scrubbed again

>>14855047
Was it purposefully made to look like an eagle?

nothings happening in SPAACEFLIIIGHT

>>14855091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw

>>14854951
Do what we do with all aliens the coasties find: tow them back to Havana.

If you structured starship with same materials but more like an N1, basically tapering with a large flared base would you get a benefit out of it? Maybe not as aggressive as an N1 but tapering till a thinner starship version

>>14855142
They only did that because they needed extra diameter to fit the engines they needed

No such need exists for superheavy

>>14855100
we need more people in SPACE

https://www.planetary.org/articles/tianwen-3-china-mars-sample-return-mission
China might grab the Mars sample achievement first.
What else the Chinese might try to do first before everyone else?

>>14854367
Shapsule

>>14855145
That starts by having more people on EARTH.

Why aren't you out there having sex, /sfg/?

>>14854508
Gonna put a Tesla on the Moon, of course.

>>14855148
>First Polar moon landing
>First far side moon landing
>First woman on moon

>>14855144
what about aerodynamics gains? yay or nay?

Why are we so late, anons?

>>14855021
The F-22 is much more comparable to SLS.
It was cancelled after only a handful built because it cost far too much and there was no reason for it to exist.

The F-35 would probably also beat an F-22 in air to air combat as well, the F-22 is not well equipped to deal with stealth aircraft, lacking EOTS/IRST.
Also it's big supercruise advantage over the F-35 would only increase it's thermal signature and make It easier to detect.

Imagine a steampunk zinc plated swirling ion bath.
>In Ancient India,[when?] saltpeter manufacturers formed the Nuniya caste.[15] Saltpeter finds mention in Kautilya's Arthashastra (compiled 300BC - 300AD), which mentions using its poisonous smoke as a weapon of war,[16] although its use for propulsion did not appear until medieval times.
>In 1785 Henry Cavendish determined its precise composition and showed that (nitric acid) could be synthesized by passing a stream of electric sparks through moist air.[32]

What about a polyether of it?

>>14853340
19 stamps from the Sharjah state of the UAE, 1964-1972

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13ImXjO2dgN3uQNkjKMqmmsyntCKrrJsV?usp=sharing

>>14855193
Aero is really marginal for rockets, especially bigger rockets.
The main reason the N1 was designed the way it was, was because it use spherical, explosively formed fuel tanks, since the USSR could not produce large cylindrical pressure vessels.

>>14855221
Not sure about this one, AOA-1 stamp apparently made 2 years before it was actually launched

>>14855225
And a smaller series on von Braun's stations and spacecraft

>>14855148
Assuming they actually pull it off

They've yet to encounter the Mars curse

>>14855192
>First Polar moon landing
>First far side moon landing
Those could beat Artemis only if delays even more, which is a possibility
>First woman on moon
This is just political shlock, same as "first non american on the moon" or whatever.
I'm talking about actual technical feats. I guess an asteroid landing (possibly an Earth trojan) could be something feasible for China.

>>14855229
This one looks cool. Reminds me of Skylab.

>>14855246
Space ballet is for real man

>>14855236
Artemis 3 would need to be delayed by 5+ years just to give China a chance under their most optimistic timeline.

>>14855276
>no trolling allowed
It's over musk bros...

>>14855276
https://spacenews.com/u-s-weighing-options-to-compensate-commercial-companies-if-satellites-are-attacked/

>If private sector satellites become part of a hybrid public-private space architecture, “then we have some obligation to think about commercial protection,” David Gauthier, director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency’s Commercial and Business Operations Group, said at the Intelligence and National Security Summit hosted by AFCEA International, and the Intelligence and National Security Alliance.

>>14855276
Reminder
https://spacenews.com/spacex-president-gwynne-shotwell-we-would-launch-a-weapon-to-defend-the-u-s/
>SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell: ‘We would launch a weapon to defend the U.S.’

>>14855329
>The room packed with Air Force service members and military contractors burst into applause. They seemed impressed that SpaceX is one of the world’s coolest companies and also a staunch patriot.
Who wrote this shit? kek

>>14855338
The entire apparatus that makes the MIC churn is the image of looking cool and getting paid to do.

this is interesting

>>14855404
NASA's still the only agency that requires the manual crew override

Test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuEmD9WRKes
yeah

>>14855276
Yet another Muskian lie

>>14855329
that whole article is full of based Shotwell quotes
>"I was hoping to beat the Chinese this year,” she said. “It does concern me that China is flying 40 times this year. And it’s not for commercial customers. They have very few commercial customers. So what in the world are they doing?” she added. “The fact that I’m not beating them is a shame. The fact that they’re launching 40 times is something we should all be worried about.”
This was back in 2018. it looks like SpaceX is on track to beat China in launches for the first time this year

>>14854875
Much greater expansion ratio. Expand gas more, it cools off more. Simple as.

>>14854909
Yes easily

>>14855471
While China's raw numbers are impressive at first glance, at least 80% of their launches are on first generation Long March rockets. The LM-3B/E is a near peer to the Falcon 9 but it's only a fraction of those launches. In terms of mass to orbit its not even a contest.

>>14855511
Dont say that out loud, we need to scare Congress

>>14855142
N1's structural design is worse than a straight cylinder in every aspect. Yes, every aspect, including that one you just thought of.

>>14855518
but it looks cool

>>14855329
Based mommy Shotwell, I must worship her body

>>14855525
i'm still waiting for her swimsuit pics

>>14855522
you can't prove that

>>14855529
I should learn how to use stable diffusion or one of those other AI image generators

>>14855091
>>14855113
Did the ruskies upgrade their HAARP clone, bros?

>>14855565
The atmosphere is merely rebelling, upstart that it is.

Holy fuck I didn't know that general public looking at computer screens can help discover exoplanets 1000s of light years away
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/nora-dot-eisner/planet-hunters-tess/talk

lmao why do astronomy papers have like 20 coauthors

>>14855744
Depending on where you work, publishing output is a tracked metric

Also if your work uses someone else's software or instrument it's typically seen as a courtesy to add them as co-authors since they contributed -- look at some of the New Horizons papers for instance

>Alpha is also intended to be a direct American competitor in the small satellite market to India's Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV), as the company believes that PLSV's ride-share capability threatens U.S. domestic launchers in this market.[17]
Bloddy benchode bastard may your cows go barren

>>14855246
>Born too late to be a Skylab astronaut
>Born too stupid to be a starship pilot

Why should I even live?

>>14855891
Born just in time to give Elon Musk 1billion dollars to take you on a moon cruise

>>14855891
They might let you fly junker starships after they're EOL

>>14855889
Skyroot aerospace and sslv will destroy the american small sat market

> TESS was expected to ultimately detect about 1,250 transiting exoplanets orbiting the targeted stars, and an additional 13,000 transiting planets orbiting additional stars in the fields that TESS would observe.[12] As of 5 April 2021, TESS had identified 2,601 candidate exoplanets, of which only 122 had been confirmed
uh-oh

>On 25 January 2021, a team led by astrochemist Tansu Daylan using the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS), with the help of two interns, Jasmine Wright (18) and Kartik Pinglé (16) as part of the Science Research Mentoring Program at Harvard & MIT, discovered and validated four extrasolar planets — composing of one super-earth and three sub-neptunes - hosted by the bright, nearby, Sun-like star HD 108236. The two high schoolers, 18 year old Jasmine Wright of Bedford High School in Bedford, Massachusetts, and 16 year old Kartik Pinglé of Cambridge Ringe And Latin School, of Cambridge, Massachusetts, are reported to be the youngest individuals in history to discover a planet, let alone four.[80][81]
When I was 16 I was busy reading 4 fucking chan

>>14854197
hey, stop being ungrateful. that's an increase in survival rate compared to no abort system at all!

IT HAS BEEN TWO YEARS AND NOTHING BIG HAS LEFT THE GROUND

It is all craneing and VABing around unflyable cilinders.

You guys told me we were entering a new era of spaceflight...

Until when am I supposed to wait?

>>14856047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdpBZ5_b48g

When September ends

>>14854568
>You’ll be hearing from my lawyer about the 1g you owe me!

>>14854197
imagine if they had killed william shatner with a 15g abort

>>14856062
and here I was thinking I only had to wait until the 21st... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk

>>14854197
Nothingburger
>the escape system motor fired, dragging the orbital module and descent module, encased within the upper shroud, free of the booster with an acceleration of 14 to 17g (137 to 167 m/s2) for five seconds.
>The two crew members were badly bruised after the high acceleration, but were otherwise in good health and did not require any medical attention.
>Upon being greeted by recovery crews, they immediately asked for cigarettes to steady their nerves. The cosmonauts were then given shots of vodka to help them relax.

>>14855522
Sure, but not coolER.

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1571484240319053825
>Asked when a permanent base will be established on the moon, NASA’s @SenBillNelson says “it may not be permanent in the sense of 365 days a year, but you could certainly be there for extended periods of time in order to learn how to exist in a very hostile environment.”
moon base bros...

>>14856367
A permanent moon base should not mean the base itself is permanently placed there but mostly unused.

>>14856367
Who cares about NASA moon base? It'll be private.

>>14854987
Not surprising.

>>14856367
Considering the fact that the first permanent habitat isn’t slated to be sent until Artemis VIII in 2031 (read 2038 assuming it hasn’t been cancelled yet) I’m gonna go out on a limb and say the answer is “never”

>>14856406
my source is NASA’s own moon to mars manifest in case you don’t believe me

>>14856406
the first permanent habitat will be private, mark my words. spacex has expressed interest multiple times in creating a large moon base and i imagine they'll collaborate with some private institutions to do this

>>14856367
Ballast Bill is a fucking coward and an elderly fuck. NASA needs to be led by somebody with still functioning testes.

Neat, they're testing blast shields for raptor with destructive tests, very nice green color.
https://twitter.com/thejackbeyer/status/1571424035291901952

I wonder what's the most reliable way to blow up a raptor

>>14856496
>we're trying to remove the shrouds, best part is no part
>if the raptors are fireproof we delete the shrouds
>...
>we're adding blast shields
What did he mean by this?

>>14854592
yeah when i tried to give some lucky bums and prostitutes free rides on my suborbital rocket's abort test they hit me with a kidnapping charge

>>14856524
are those liquid boosters?

>>14856524
So, by 2035 they'll have started reusing the cheapest and most easily expendable part of the rocket?

>>14856524
So it's like an itty bitty Starship you launch with a normal expendable rocket, it deploys the payload then deorbits for next use? Could be neat, but the main stage should be reusable too. Why throw any of the rocket away if you can help it?

>>14856524
wont the payload hit make the rocket less economical than flying expendable?

>>14855952
I don't know what they were thinking giving TESS so short an observation time for most of the sky

>>14856047
>IT HAS BEEN TWO YEARS
It will have been two years by May 2023, calm down space is hard etc

>>14856367
Private moon base funded by Jared Isaacman will be set up at the north pole and will put immediate focus on installing MOE units to generate aluminum and iron metal feedstock in-situ. They will do effectively zero scientific research apart from mineral prospecting and slope stability studies around them, and that's a good thing (nerds seething)