/sci/ - Science & Math

Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

>>15107736
>https://twitter.com/cnunezimages/status/1611498634972897280
>forshadowing

Fourth for Starship is over
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1611931024514060289
>We have a real shot at late February. March launch attempt appears highly likely.

>>15107736
Previous: >>15103446

Where did it all go so wrong why is it nothing but pain and suffering JUST FLY THE ROCKET ENRON MUSK

>>15107745
How do you know this is not a serious answer this time? Eventually he will have to be right about the launch date, and everything points to starship really actually being close to launch now.

>>15107763
One and a half years ago Musk said “2 weeks,” and it’s been perpetually “right around the corner” ever since then. I don’t buy what he says at all

>>15107739
In the Genndy Tartakovsky Star Wars cartoon, there are nelvaanian aliens who kinda look like the navi.

why is this happening to us

>>15107767
So you just think starship will never launch?

>>15107742

>>15107773
It's just destiny. Space fans were born to be disappointed over and over again. Maybe I have to get another hobby.

>>15107777
Elon isn't even in charge of Boca Chica right now. Gwynne is. So that date probably came from Gwynne, not Elon Musk. If Elon was making the prediction he would have said late january launch.

>>15107781

>>15107745
I hope the launch after that one doesn't take nearly this long.

>>15107784
How about I destroy all doomers? How about that?

>>15107788
stop defending elon, im so tired of it

>>15107790
unironically speaking, it this general the last place on the internet that still defends him no matter what? sometimes it seems so lol

>>15107788
It is tempting. Normally I'm the one on the roof shouting things like "No, we need to start butchering the POLITICIANS! Raise the black flag and rise up!" but at this point the doomers actually seem more aggravating.

Why does Relativity Space get so much attention?

>>15107790
I'm not "defending Elon" by suggesting Starship is actually quite close to launch. You might as well just go to enough elon spam or the sls reddit page.

>>15107793
>tfw no sexy avatar cat humanoid alien gf

>>15107791
Why does it aggravate you so much for there to be even one place on the internet that is pro-elon? You people are fucking insufferable. Nobody raids anti-elon forums and bitches about the fact they exist.

>>15107793
I thought those two were like step-siblings or something. I didn't understand the movie quite well. In fact I just had forgotten what the story even was about, saw Avatar 1 once like 13 years ago.

>>15107791
I'm a massive musk stan, elon changed my life. I will support him even if it ruins me

>>15107793
i wanna fuck the blue loli

>>15107807
I wanna expend you

>>15107798
lmao, calm down anon, I'm an 'elon-stan' myself. he could eat a baby's head on national television and I wouldn't care that much as long as he gets us to Mars. Though I understand why you are angry, you seem to be proving my point lol

>>15107808
why are you so jealous?

>>15107793
>avatar 2 fanart
>>15107799
I can't understand how the plot from those movies always manage to be so unmemorable. It's not bad, I just can't remember them well after watching.

>>15107813
Jealous? Why would I be jealous of scum like you? Consider an one way trip to the sun.

>>15107814
Did James Cameron fuck your mom or something?

>>15107814
>>15107817
Sorry that might have been a bit harsh I was trying to be funny

>>15107814
I was also disappointed over the lack of spaceflight scenes. You guys seemed to be talking about the movie as if it really were spaceflight related, yet when I watched it there was like one or maybe two scenes showing space at all? Mainly a couple of seconds with the generational ship in orbit.

>>15107817
>>15107818
it's okay anon

>>15107816
you're jealous that i am a go-getter and will take what i want. you could never acheive that because you are non competitive and a pussy

>>15107819
>spaceflight related
Planetary exploration is part of space exploration.
And the first few scenes of space are so fucking good even if too brief.

>>15107819
>generational ship
Ah, I meant sleeper ship. I don't even remember if E*rth was actually that far away from Pandora.

>>15107821
my fellow anon, you are not a go getter you are a creep

>>15107827
or maybe youre a faggot who likes men

>>15107819
The scene where they look up in the sky and see the fleet entering orbit was awe inspiring.
It also has sexy blue cat aliens

>>15107769
>nelvaanian
based

>>15107835
where are the jannies when we need them?

>>15107823
>buy a ticket to go watch avatar 2
>movie finally begins
>initial scene comes up
>ten seconds showing a massive spaceship orbiting pandora
>next scene shows up
>ship is gone, only blue furries on screen
>stand up and leave
best way to watch avatar

It's over

>>15107863
I don’t understand the electric turbopump meme. Did RocketLab waste their time with it?

>>15107863
Yes, for HobbitLab

>>15107869
It’s somewhat fine because they fly a very small rocket where the margins work. They still have to dump batteries just to shed mass, but it isn’t the end of the world
The uselessness comes with the fact that it doesn’t scale so any time and effort made with the battery r&d is a dead end for anything bigger than electron (such as neutron). Again, not the biggest waste of time. But it’s worth doing R&D for stuff that translates well to other projects, if you can help it

>>15107869
>>15107881
Also hall effect thrusters. y'know... those things that power starlink satellites.

>>15107888
Do they contract their krypton engines from someone else? I assume if they made them in-house they would have a cheeky bird name like blue jay or stork or something

photon rockets

>>15107885
Yeah. It’s kind of sad Neutron has next to zero heritage with Electron. Even Falcon 9 and Falcon 1 share the same engine, fuel, etc.

>>15107905
gluon rockets

>>15107793
They post a lot, have hype based technology and inherently generate discourse because of their technology. Also the plumes are pretty.

>>15107898
they build them in Redmond. They're not named because Tom Mueller didn't design them and the
"bird of prey" naming scheme was his idea.

t. used to work there as a tech

>>15107869
>>15107888
Electricity is not the propulsive force in either of those, Elon's response really is a midwit filter.

the wait is over. b7 rolls out today!! we're just waiting on road clear

>>15107953
I know I just was thinking about electric Turbopumps

>>15107799
They are but it's implied they'll fuck in the next movie.
The cat girl is the child of the avatar of Sigourney Weaver's character (notice her deviant avatar-only features like eyebrows and five fingers) and the human kid is the son of Col. Coffee Mug

>>15107953
kill yourself as quickly as possible

>>15107971
See what I mean about midwit filters?

https://www.portisabelsouthpadre.com/2023/01/05/spacex-boca-chica-plans-largest-launch-in-history/

>Jan. 31 is scheduled to see the test launch of not only the Super Heavy Booster 7 at Starbase, Texas but also SpaceX’s Starship S24. The test is planned to be an orbital flight which will ensure the booster can lift the vehicle as well as make sure the Starship can perform an unmanned orbital rotation.
>The booster boasts an impressive 17.5 million pounds of thrust as well as 5000 tonnes of mass on takeoff. After bringing Starship to near space heights, and a fourth of its orbital speed, the booster will land in the Gulf of Mexico to simulate landing on the Starship Tower Launch arms.
>Starship itself will travel along a ballistic trajectory, or free fall flight, at orbital speeds. Its re-entry position is planned to be in the Pacific Ocean. If successful, then it will hit the water about 100 kilometers off the coast of Kauai in Hawaii.
This launch is planned to be the largest in history and as such will have some impact on the Brownsville, Port Isabel and South Padre Island area. Launches of this sort are not worry-free, however. During a test launch earlier this year, there was an explosion that was so powerful it shook the lighthouse in Port Isabel, raising concerns about damage to the structure and other historic buildings in the area.

I wonder why static fires happen so infrequently.

>>15108024
FUCK the Port Isabel lighthouse (and other historic buildings in the area)

sfg is dea- huh, never mind again, good

So, rapter doesn't work, tiles don't work, and catch arm doesn't work

>>15108033
I just want methane sweating back.

>>15108033
Space is hard.

>>15108035
Wouldn't liquid nitrogen be better?

>>15108024
What would happen if a fully-loaded stack went boom?

>>15107736
proto-kenshi vibes

>>15108054
Tower, stand, and fuel farm leveled. Broken windows 20 miles away. Blown eardrums at the production facility.

>>15108054
It would be extremely noisy.

>>15107971
retardo mad

>>15107743
pretty much, this first orbital test SS is gonna be dumped in the ocean anyway

>>15107888
there's a big difference between electric pump fed engine, electrostatic (like your Hall effect thruster) and electric propulsion (like the EM drive nonsense)
hall effect thrusters obviously do work on a spacecrafts, but I wouldn't call starlink satellite "a rocket"
ion engines cannot work on "a rocket" (ie. orbital launch vehicle) and I know you know all of that
>>15107953
this is one of those conversation where people are arguing about vastly different things because somebody used extremely vague terms in the first place

>>15108054
the entire region would be incinerated for thousands of miles

>>15108139
how the fuck did you take that photo of me right now? he is literally me

>>15108139
>because somebody used extremely vague terms in the first place
Elon is retardedly vague ALL THE DAMN TIME IT'S MADDENING. Also when asked two yes/no questions in a single tweet, he will reply with a single yes or no. He literally doesn't know how to be clear

>>15108145
too autistic for communication

>>15107736
I used to find it funny gen x people wasted their prime years watching boring shuttle launches meanwhile I realised today that my prime years are being wasted on a tincan that will never fly.

>>15108180
meanwhile my prime years are being wasted watching weekly Falcon flights
to be honest I wouldn't be doing anything better without them so its loose-loose anyway

Will you guys sóyjak when Starship finally launches? If not, how will be your reaction?

Could have been worse. You could have become a train watcher

>>15108194
Why worse? Trains are commonplace and well established in our world, rocket launches only started to pick up in the last few years, space exploration events used to happen every few years, not every few months.

>>15108186
Celebratory wife beatings

>>15108073
yeah that'd be a big boom

>>15108197
>Why worse?
More crippling autism, if I had to guess. Japanese trainwatchers are notorious for that.
Recently some trainwatcher chimped-out and smashed somebody's skull open because he was blocking the view
They regularly yell at, assault people or cut down trees if they are in the way.
>>15108142
I live in your walls

An electric rocket could work but you'd need and extremely long extension cord

>>15108226
electron beam propulsion

>>15108200
I don't understand the second spike 12h later

>>15108224
>Recently some trainwatcher chimped-out and smashed somebody's skull open because he was blocking the view
lmao

>>15108278
what did he see?

>2022 launch
>late 2022 launch
>december 2022 launch
>2023 launch
>march 2023 launch
>late 2023 launch
>2024 launch
>.............

>>15108284
fuck off, weeb

>>15108292
ksp2 will literally come out before starship launches

>>15107745
that seems like the most realistic date so far

starship orbital flight test NET september 2025

i'm sorry bros...

Soyuz is a damn fine vehicle it’s legitimately a shame there’s been so many issues with them lately.

>>15108327
Kinda like when the romans lost their technological mastery. the memory of soviet technology will continue to atrophy until russia no longer can put a man in orbit

>>15108283
https://japantoday.com/category/crime/altercation-between-train-otaku-leaves-one-with-fractured-skull-other-in-custody
>This incident certainly hasn’t done anything to endear the general public to toritetsu. In fact, not a single comment expressed surprise that such an assault happened among members of this community.
kek

>>15108224
Plane watchers are the best kind of autistic vehicle spotters. They don't usually bother anyone and they all seem to be rich with multi-k$ cameras and huge ass lenses.

i want a von braun funkopop

>>15108337
If only you knew how different things could have been

Elon is for cringe redditors (who have been bullied to be negative about him by social justice trannies). Gwynne is for chad schizos (like myself) since she believes in FTL

>>15107793

>>15108337
At least they still have their own rockets and manned capability. Meanwhile the US lost its ability to send people to orbit, and has to rely on a private company, owned by a notorious South African con artist, that cares more about Twitter, than anything space related. Face it, it's unironically over.

>>15108435
kek

>>15108452
I don't think he is south african

>>15108468
Because you are thinking about the wrong person. US is not reliant on ULA anymore.

>>15108452
>>15108475
Orion works right now, Starliner will work eventually, as well as Dreamchaser.
That's just manned. The US has tons of redundant manned orbital launch providers. Seethe and cope nigger.

>>15107836
>sexy

>>15108452
Can you do me a favor and hang yourself?

>>15108025
Because all that static means they need a better antenna.

>>15108224

>>15108516
sugoiii

You can see Starbase from Mexico, 20 km away

https://twitter.com/mkokorich/status/1611827023873249287
lol Momentus Twitter blocked its founder

>>15108565
that whole saga is so bizarre

>>15108592
>>15108565
qrd?

hop when?

>>15108613
End of February, March maybe April, May probably

>>15108613
I WILL THROW THAT RABIT IN A TUB OF FORMULA AND TRANSFORM IT INTO A WHITE MARBLE STATUETTE PAINTED BY BLUE VEINS

>>15108613
bnuuy

>>15108598
https://spacenews.com/momentus-founders-to-divest-shares-after-defense-department-concerns/
Basically he got Polyakov'd, though this time he was actually Russian.

>>15108647
I thought he was Ukrainian

>>15108655
Polyakov is Ukranian, Kokorich is Russian

>>15108659
interesting

Could you, like, pressurize a cave on the Moon or Mars or wherever?

>>15108647
also wasnt momentus kindve a scam?

>>15108664
do you know what a female condom looks like

>>15108666
I can't remember everything they did, but they were massively overhyped and then couldn't fully admit they shit the bed with their first test or two. One of their tugs just launched on transporter again, let's see what happens.

>>15108556
>The Earth isn't fla-AACKKK

New renders of the Lockmart/Nanoracks/now-Airbus Starlab station concept look kinda different. Did they ditch inflatables?

Solar takes another victim. The Chinese rover is dead

>>15108697
Source?

Space is h

>>15108707
That one was from a Google search, but the Nanoracks website shows the same design.
https://nanoracks.com/

>>15107745
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I only care about going back to the moon so I can just create bots and pay 3rd worlders to never stop spamming flat earth/moon hoax boards, threads, Discords, and Facebook groups with pictures and videos from the event.

I tire of these faggots.

>>15108697
Fuck, I'm retarded. I was this news about the partnership with Airbus but didn't notice the new design.
https://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/voyager-space-and-airbus-announce-international-partnership-for-future-starlab-space-station-301713034.html

>>15107781
Is Elon Gwin? Why can't she tell the date herself

>>15108718
*I saw

>>15108718
Maybe Lockmart bailed and Airbus is the replacement? Their logo is missing on the new renders, though the Airbus logo isn't there either.

>>15107869
the thing with electric pumps (they're not turbopumps) is that they are really easy to develop. IMO they should've went with a piston engine to power the pumps though

>>15108732
they are turbopumps because it's a spinny turbine pump, not a membrane or diaphragm or piston pump

>>15108033
Apparently Stoke aerospace is cooling their rocket with the croygens inside during reentry

>>15108697
Oh shit it’s different now

https://nanoracks.com/starlab/

>>15108737
From Voyagers website

https://voyagerspace.com/

>>15108737
https://web.archive.org/web/20221123000541/https://nanoracks.com/starlab/
Damn, they gutted that page since November. Yeah I'm betting this is the case now >>15108731. There go their chances of winning CLD.

>>15108556
looking from Mexico shouldn't the coast be on the left side

>>15108734
turbopumps are powered by turbines (hence the name). Electric pumps are powered by electric motors

>>15108739
That big cylinder looks like it's gonna go up in one launch

>>15108452
Hey reddit

>>15108719
He's the only person inside the company who doesn't need to get approval to post that.

Polaris Dawn will have astronauts working for a private company (2 SpaceX employees)

afaik this hasn't been done before has it?

>>15108732
>they should've went with a piston engine to power the pumps though
LMAO the pumps are 50 horsepower each and do 40k rpm. That piston engine would weigh more than the rocket engine.

>>15108762
Axiom 1

>>15108757
The whole selling point of the station is that it's deployable in one launch. Unless they scaled it down though, that's huge for a rigid module. Could probably fly on a Starship.

>>15108737
>>15108739
It looks wider than ISS modules. I tried to make some calculations and assuming it uses the same docking ports as ISS, it should be about 5.8 m wide. This is probably very inaccurate due to perspective.

>>15108768
They had an Axiom employee and three customers.

>>15108762
Axiom 1

>Staged combustion methalox
>project cancelled in 2012 due to budget cuts

>>15108762
Oh also a neat little fact, part of the ComCrew contract gave all winning parties a chance to send up a private employee to the station. Both Boeing and SpaceX opted out, but technically they could have sent up anyone on their payroll

https://maia-space.com/

Who's hyped for MAIA SPACE?

it's legal to have a cute and funny gf in low orbit

>>15108767
pic rel is an formula 1 engine and has about 1000 hp. Considering that f1 races last hours for a shorter run even more hp could be squeezed out of an engine of this size. Piston engine have higher hp/weight ration than electric engines (but worse than turbines) especially when you factor in the battery weight.

>>15108780
Wow

>>15108784
Boing was going to for the flight test but it doesn't look like they are anymore

>>15108799
“Deep space” should be WELL past the earth-moon system

>>15108789
How much does it weigh?

>>15108819
That's Jonathan McDowells map, he defines deep space as beyond a circular orbit that has 1/4 the period of the Moons

>spend a decade doing gravity assists to get anywhere beyond jupiter
Why

>>15108852
>get anywhere beyond jupiter
why are you going stupid places. the outer solar system is useless

>>15108852
You have to do the same thing to enter orbit around Mercury. It takes a shit load of energy

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1612126729434435590
To complete pre-launch processing, now targeting Monday, January 9 at 11:50 p.m. ET for launch of the OneWeb Launch 16 mission from SLC-40. Vehicle and spacecraft are healthy, and weather is >90% favorable for liftoff

>>15108868
>You have to do the same thing to enter orbit around Mercury.
Do you? I think not.

>>15108786
indeed, quite the advantage: weighs less, so easier to get to orbit and uses less resources.

https://www.airbus.com/en/NextSpace
Check out this cope

>>15108852
Falcon Heavy is kinda weak

>>15108855
its the best place to be left alone and study the stars

>>15108916
>study the stars

Electric propulsion is possible, you just have to take advantage of the fact that the sun is constantly spitting out charged and high velocity reaction mass.

With this you can get around a lot of the reaction mass problems of moving huge masses around the solar system (IE expending considérable reaction mass compared to the payload even with high ISP thrusters)

>>15108924
Also fuck climbing mountains

The hop era was fun

>>15108937
The launch era will be even better.

>>15108930

>>15108759
Does any of the SeX anons here know the date?

August 2021

>>15108967
Yes, but the FAA happened

>>15108977
>there is no conspiracy.gif

>>15108979
>no conspiracy gf

I hate retards, think they are "special". That title goes to people who've made a contribution and actually have skills beyond eating lego bricks and making dumbass noises.

>>15108340
>It’s time to just outlaw photographing trains. Nothing good comes of it.

>>15108994
NOAA moment

>>15107736
Soon there'll be a much bigger shipwreck there but made of stainless

>>15108977
the Federal AAAAAAAAAA Administration

>>15109009
Admiral Kuznetsov?

Anyone else became a little autistic about stainless steel? At this point I like it more than carbon fiber or aluminum.

>>15109022
Same. It legitimately seems like the perfect solution to building rockets now

>>15109022
I embraced proonting.

>>15109022
Carbon fiber and aluminum both have their uses, but they also have their quirks you need to work around. Aluminum has a fairly delicate melting point and carbon fiber is a hassle to set up a construction line for. Stainless steel is cheap and versatile and dosen't complain about most conditions it gets exposed to.

>>15109022
Yes but I don't know how much to believe that whole "strengthening at cryo" stuff Elon used to go on about.
It certainly is unmatched for rapid prototyping.

>>15109022
Stainless was always great, but the future is carbon fiber or other similar high performance composite. Stainless was such a good idea because it's so easy to iterate. Future reusable superheavy lift vehicles will be mostly carbon because it just doesn't make sense to leave all that performance on the table.

>>15109053
>>15109055
It's that easy

POCKOCMOC announces that MS-22 is dead.
>MS-23 will be launched with one crew and then bring Prokopiev & Petelin home. Next SpaceX Dragon will be launched with 3 crew - Fedyaev bumped to later mission - to bring Rubio home. MS-22 deorbited with no crew.
https://cosmos.1.bg/space/2023/01/08/sukrashtavat-ekipajite/

>>15109053
>>15109055
The gimbal shroud always confuses me. Is it just a sliding plate?

>>15109061
Are they sure they can deorbit it? Wasn't it the service module that had the leak?

>>15109063
Yes it would be too hot for astronauts due to no coolant but apparently it can operate long enough to deorbit.

>>15109055
what's the thing with the paper bag over it? Altimeter?

>>15108884
>This pioneering spirit remains at our heart today to ensure we continue to produce the very best services and technologies that connect, protect, inform, explore and direct down here on Earth.
>But as space is increasingly needed in our daily lives – from helping us find our way to meet friends, to checking the weather before a weekend away, more sustainable agriculture and, thankfully less often, to support in times of crisis – we need more companies able to bring the benefits of space down to Earth.
You can already see the direction of earthoid rhetoric.

>>15109061
They said Soyuz had the ability to launch and dock automatically. Was that a lie? Also when is the last time a Soyuz launched with just one bloke aboard

>>15109070
It's the QD. And that's an aerospace grade plastic bag not paper.

>>15109061
>would be cool if they used a crew dragon to dock with it and then use its thrusters to basically tug its way away from the ISS and into a degrading orbit that would lead to eventual pacific ocean burn up and oceaning. Would end up being an interesting use case to make Dragon tugs, similar to what is eventually planned for Hubble.

>>15109022
>>15109042
>>15109030

>>15109090
>in the future
>all Starships will be
>hexagon grid printed carbon-steel ships

>>15109081
Of course Basedouz can dock automatically, but why would they waste the occasion the send an astronaut to space?

>>15109084
QD?

>>15109081
It's not fully reliable.

>>15109111
Quick disconnect. The thing the fuel goes through newfriend.

>>15107745
It's time

>>15109081
It probably can, but there's things that it can do and there's things that they're willing to trust it to do without question. If they launched MS-23 on autopilot everything would probably work fine, but if it didn't they'd be faced with a new problem that they want to deal with even less than the current mess.

>>15107768
This still feels way too much like KSP to believe it's real

>>15107768
>>15109138
It looks so fucking good I almost can't believe it's not CGI.

>>15109080
>bring the benefits of space down to Earth
I swear every small launch company has used some variant of this slogan

>>15109222
It's because of close to a century of
>I just think we should focus on problems here on earth
The average person genuinely doesn't understand GPS, weather satellites, satellite networks, or anything like that. Lightbulbs are magic to them. You have to beat the normalfags over the head with it or they won't understand.

>>15109222
Except Relativity. "multiplanetary future"

>>15109092
what if I'm a nuclear fag?

>>15109241
You should focus your faggotry on pulsed solid core and fusion. What you posted is cringe.

I am tempted to just get on a bus and go as far as I can, never stopping. New identity, new purpose. I feel like a hollow shell.

>>15109246
The problem is everywhere else is just as gay and wherever you go, there you are.

>>15109250
>everywhere else is just as gay
>wherever you go, there you are
I sense a pattern here

>>15109246
>>15109250
That's because the problem is within (You)

>>15109243
But it werks, I fear by 2060 fusionfaggotry will still be a meme.

>>15109258
>But it werks
It's useless when you consider the hurdles you have to overcome to be allowed to build it and send it orbit. The benefit is too little.
You'd be better off doing some flourine UDMH rotating detonation niggerrocket for high ISP and it would still be a bad idea.

>>15109246
Take the Tedpill

>>15109129
Why not fill the tanks from the top

30 bongs until rollout

It's cooler than starship and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

>>15109246
Yeah, me too. If we were a truly interstellar civilization I'd like to grab a small, personal spaceship and fuck off to the outskirts of whatever mankind has reached by then. The problem would be the amount of knowledge that I'd have to hold (knowing how to repair a starship by myself, expert in medicine, and in dozens of engineering branches, etc etc). Hopefully something akin to a Neuralink implant could help with that. If I can keep synthesizing food, air, water, and fuel (I wonder what we'll use) out of everything that I can find, I'll be okay-ish.
>New identity
Almost impossible in the digital era of the 21st century, though I wish it were easier.
Btw, maybe all this escaping thing is just due to us wanting to run away from ourselves.

>>15109241
You know that you could just power an ion drive with a nuclear power source and get 10 times the isp of your memerocket

>>15109273
Is it possible to build a manned Mars lander that doesn't look badass?

>>15109273
it looks cooler, but that's about it really

>>15109273
Isn't this just Maccy D's X-33 design tarted up? Whats the difference?

>>15109285
Yeah.

>>15109287
didn't know about that thing, they probably recycled the concept.

>>15109285
perhaps the Mars Excursion Module, or MEM(E)

>>15109287
Yeah it's not wedge shaped meme ssto for starters

>The Martian Piloted Complex (MPK) was a Soviet Union human mission to Mars proposed in 1956-62
>It featured a six-Cosmonaut crew on a 900-day mission, with a launch in 1975.
>It would take 25 N1 rocket launches to assemble the MPK.
>No drawing of the MPK design of 1956 is available, but it would have consisted of clusters of N1-launched rocket stages.

>>15109273
Continue pretending, because MADV looks bad.

>>15109303
>MADV looks bad.
Post a rocket you think looks good right now.

>>15109283
Anarcho-Frontierism moment

>>15109302
Here’s another one. Look up “Aelita spacecraft russia” for more information on the entire mission architecture, but to answer >>15109285’s question: yes. It can look retarded

>>15109310
>It can look retarded
NOOO that a heckin SOVLVIET KVNO

>>15109303
>MADV looks bad.
fake and gay

stoke has the best 2nd stage reuse concept

>>15109330
What's its payload to orbit fagboy?

Did Shuttle mainly shed it's tiles during ascent or reentry

>>15109310
CUTE!

>>15109307

>>15109350
It never “shed” tiles. It had them “shredded” (I guess this is what you were trying to ask) in which case the answer is during ascent

ROLLING OUT

>>15109366
nothingburger

>>15109368
SEETHING enginelet detected

>>15109366
let's see those robustness upgrades

yeah, of course

>>15109376
So cool! What questions are you going to ask to the NSF team, guys?

>>15109376
Absolutely vile.

russian transport vehicle

>>15109376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
Watch this one instead

>>15109383
At least no plastic bags or tinfoil this time. Looks flight ready.

>>15109379
"Why are you fat?"

>Elon doesn't know what he's talking ab-ACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCc2F8KccD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq8HrxfSZMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xahiWQQKw7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7MQb9Y4FAE

>>15109391
I don't know who the other two basedbeans are, but Thomas Burhhardt looks like a guy who has just realized his life ended up in a very different place that he once expected.

>>15109395
Early SpaceX had so much SOVL
early elon was funny too, until ~2012 or so, tho I have no doubts he always like he is right now

>>15109395
Believe me, after knowing the existence of these videos normies still think he's a fraud, and a very, very dumb person. He's just memorized a script and successfully fooled NASA and the entire space industry, but random high-school dropouts on the internet are better than that. A shame how such a wonderful and technical interview done by Dodd can only be posted outside youtube on niche parts of the web like this general and is not more mainstream. Every time it is posted outside these selected places you'll get hordes of tards calling it fake and accusing op of gargling musk's balls. how irritating and tiring.

>>15109410
I't just the reaction of so many fucking years of people hyping him like a "IRL Tony Stark".

>>15109395
Pretty sure even Bezos knows what a combustion chamber looks like

>>15109433
here we have another skeptic

>>15109433
>the entirety of the videos posted amounts to ability to identify a combustion chamber
very delusional indeed

>>15107742
>>15107776
Kill yourself tranny

>>15109451
This. But they're two posters. Two schizo trannies

>>15109410
It was literally posted on like r/facepalm to prove musk is an idiot.

>>15109459
>It was literally posted on like r/facepalm to prove musk is an idiot.
what? how?

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1612204917170769921

>>15109466
MAX SPEED 1MPH
NOT FOR OUTSIDE USE OR STORAGE
EVERYTHING WILL FUCKING BREAK AND DIE IF YOU PERFORM THE AFOREMENTIONED RESTRICTIONS

>>15109459
I'd tell you to go back, but it's been some time since I last looked at some rage bait, link? lol
>>15109466
Nothing is reusable in that picture,,,

>>15108141
>>15108054
Total beetle extermination

>>15109474
>Beetles are insects that form the order Coleoptera [...] The Coleoptera, with about 400,000 described species, is the largest of all orders, constituting almost 40% of described insects and 25% of all known animal life-forms
Not so fast, muskboy

>>15108327
They won't supply Russia because they don't want to be sanctioned. That is all it is. Otherwise would be stupid for them not to.

>>15108709
-omosexual

>>15108711
Wonder if Nanoracks is still wanting to use Cyclone 4m second stages as stations?

>>15108930
>considérable

>>15109092
Putting spaceplanes(an outdated never used again tech) above proonting(going to be used in every future mission)

>>15108780
Would like to see a referb video on that like those guy did for the Apollo computer.

>>15109350
Late Spring, when excess insulation is no longer required.

>>15109490
uh oh, anon a été découvert

>>15109499
Ehhh it’s just a microfilm viewer. Not as fascinating as the apollo computer in my opinion.

>>15107869
>Did RocketLab waste their time with it?
Dumb question. Its like asking if Elon wasted time when he was younger and worked at Rocket Sciences making games like Rocket Jockeys. Or if he wasted time making Zip2 and selling it to Compaq or X.com and so on.

Early development that distinguishes yourself from others matter. Its a means to launch yourself from the ground to something other than the ground. It doesn't matter how little it takes you, as long as it takes you somewhere else.

>>15108789
ULA wanted to use one on ACES for power and pressure. "an internal combustion engine to be used to power the IVF system on ACES was to be produced by Roush Racing."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Cryogenic_Evolved_Stage#Integrated_Vehicle_Fluids

>>15107923
>Tom Meuller invented bird of prey naming for aerospace techs
Dumb. Bird of prey naming was a common thing in Aerospace industry

>>15109496
make your own anon

>>15109459
>reddit

>>15108852
JPL are demons

Imagine the scenario: A nuclear war happens while there are astronauts on the ISS, mission control centers are destroyed. What should they do and how could they get back on Earth?

>>15108852
Super Heavy Lift rockets are usually only used for manned spaceflight, but they could shorten probe trips quite a lot.

>>15109528
you do not need ground control to calculate a re entry, heck, you have or orbital data, even a navigation computer, just aim for a body of water, and calculate the retrograde burn.

>>15108884
>Striving for sustainable space
>Accompanied by picrel
I'm convinced anyone spouting the word "sustainable" in reference to space junk is lobbying the government to force a DECREASE in launch cadence because theyre getting mogged by SpaceX

>>15109534
Brother, "sustainable" has only ever meant "you will do less, you will have less, and you will have fewer nice things, and if you don't like it you're a bad guy."

>>15109517
ESL opinions don't matter

Are the Ceres-1 launches streamed?

>>15109532
Alright, but how are the astronauts going to be rescued?

>>15109528
in case of communication loss grab your charts and calculator, and do it yourself. getting back to earth is easy. it is an automated process, the system just needs the right timing entered to de-accelerate, so you wont land in north korea

>>15109528
Wait for few months for the fallout, then use Dragon to land back.

>>15109466
Why are Starships so resilient to being outdoors while other rockets arent?

>>15109273
>cooler than starship
so is santa's sleigh

>>15109552
It mostly depends on the rocket's interface panels, seals, and how resilient the engines are to contaminants.

>>15109542
the crew capsule floats way longer than its rated for, and nuclear wars do not wipe out every u.s. boat on this planet, someone picks up the automated beacon. they spend maybe a day in their capsule until they have acclimated to earths gravity and toss out their inflatable raft to stretch their legs. back in the days the soviets even had a rifle in their capsule and rations for weeks just in case they crashed in the tundra and had to fight off polar bears and shit when there was no retrieval crew to pick them up right away.

>>15109459
>youtuber gives musk an idea (use ullage gas on ship in addition to booster)
>elon likes idea
>elon STEALS IDEA
>elon ADMITS HE STOLE IDEA AND GIVES NO CREDIT
dumbass Elon retard pissdrinking poop sniffer I HATE HIM I HATE HIM I HATE HIM
t. reditor

>>15109433
If you watch Bezos' presentation of Blue Moon, you'd know the extent of his knowledge is "New Shepard runs on hydrogen"

>>15109570
meanwhile Musky thinks his car's in orbit around Mars

I’m excited about the future and none of you doomers will make me feel otherwise

>>15109466
>still just in stage testing
this ain't flying for a while isn't it

>>15109534
literal stock image

>>15109535
Yeah I know, but in this case it's extra funny because it's a launch company begging for regulation and hence fewer launches, and fewer opportunity to increase profit. It's an admission of defeat.
>If I cant have market share no one can
This is doubly weird considering how many flights amazon bought on Ariane 6

>>15109560
So I guess they could communicate to the ground via radio and arrange for a ship to come get them?

>>15109577
Musk is a fraud, Bezos is just smart leaving engineering to the engineers.

>>15109466
Wow they seem closer to launch than SpaceX

>>15109604
Here's your (you).

>>15109577
I seriously don't know what happened there. Maybe he's just lazy and didn't want to write a long reply like "my car is an heliocentric orbit past mars" so he just said on mars orbit and called it a day. Similar when he tweeted a picture of the moon during a lunar eclipse and said it was mars wtf, maybe he just had woken up and didn't see shit, or too much ambien and only saw some red pixels.

>>15109618
Probably something like "technically not true but it's close enough" and then someone popped in to out-autism him that also had a massive stick up their ass.

>>15109618
normies have no concept of orbits it is just easier to tell them the car is going around Mars

>>15109090
making carbon fiber parts is literally additive manufacturing. yet this stupid meme shits on proonting which is an additive manufacturing process as well. large scale carbon fiber wrapping robots essentially just 3d print onto a positive shape of the part you need. before it gets vacuum sealed and infused with resin.

>>15109618
>I seriously don't know what happened there.
In other words there's no way to sugarcoat this

>>15109616
thank :)

>>15109637
looks robust

>>15109629
>my son, you are astronaut now
>which will you pick?
>space age polymer, strongest material known to man
>or literal mud

SOLAR MOUNTAIN COMES ON THE PERIHELION
NO REROUTING, ONLY COUNTIN' 'TIL WE'RE DONE
SHOUTIN' SINS UNTIL WE'RE IN THE SUN

>>15108732
Otespace (the PEPE-1 guys) are going with piston pumps.

>>15109376
i like spaceflight too but imagine having to talk about it nonstop all day

>>15109628
Would've been easier and more accurate to say "far away from earth", or he could've said "interplanetary space" and most still would've at least understood that it's a big deal.

>>15109376
burghardt needs to hit the gym or else he'll become pure piggy like the other two

>>15109629
>yet this stupid meme shits on proonting
take your meds (HRT)

>official timeline is now TWO MONTHS
two weeks when???

>>15109577
>>15109657
i swear he said "past the orbit of Mars" and potentially "past the asteroid belt" at the FH post launch press conference

Reminder

>>15109675
Just buy 300 tons of nickel bro.

>>15109675
>titanium cost per kg
$60
>nickel cost per kg
$27
>steel cost per kg
$3.5
>aluminium cost per kg
$2.5

>>15109618
He's simply shitposting.

>>15109681
>>aluminium cost per kg
>$2.5
Now include the copper and lithium in the alloy

praise the omnissiah, it is he, who will rule over mars, and the retarded democrats he sends there with his countless stainless dildos

>>15109681
Stainless steel is a mix of nickel and steel (and chrome)

>>15109696
and shiny, made in walhalla

Smart people talking about rockets, including Starship
https://youtu.be/hxBurOY7abI

>>15109699
Based. SS will be witnessed

>>15109675
>carbon composite
>inadmissable (too low to show on this chart)
>>15109681
>carbon cost per kg
$200

Hello /sfg/ I have just got back from my Christmas/New Year vacation and have been away. What have I missed? Orbital Starship when?

>>15109700
>ugly women
I'm sorry I can't

>>15109713
Q4 2026

>>15109717
>women
ugly yes, but "woman"? anon, please.

>>15109717
especially that one in the bottom left...she is both fat and ugly, what an awful face. and her voice and haie, must be a dyke. jesus like stop eating cake fatty

>>15109713
two weeks

China successfully launched the Tianzhou 6 cargo spacecraft to their station on the first LM-7A of 2023. The launch was especially unphotogenic due to heavy rain at Wenchang. The rocket's manufactures say that they can produce 4-6 per year, which is unlikely to be enough to take over the niche currently filled by the Long March 3 variants.

China's next launch will be a Ceres-1 solid launching an unknown payload from a floating platform in the Yellow Sea in about five and a half hours.

>>15109719
say the orbital launch goes wrong and carpet bombs the launch site then that date would not be not out of the realm of reality.

Her face reminds me of that weirdo interviewing deformed/retarded kids. The same soulless expression

>>15109713
It's over when I say it's over

>>15109730
by then the second pad will be operable, they might even start works on a third one by then.

>>15109729
Will Ceres-1 be streamed?

Mini-LUVOIR updates
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1612231641275195393
>Clampin notes NASA is calling the large UV/optical/IR telescope recommended by Astro2020 the “Habitable Worlds Observatory” (a name NASA has quietly been using for at least a couple months). Conveys both primary science goal as well as ability to do general astrophysics.
>Clampin identifies some of the top priorities of Habitable Worlds Observatory development, such as:
> build to schedule
> evolve current technologies (like JWST segmented mirror)
> take advantage of next-gen rocket capabilities
> be serviceable

Bet you elon regrets buying those oil rigs. he'll probably turn them into luxury yachts because he's such a total scumbag

>>15109742
Can we stop putting "W" in our fucking acronyms? Thank you

>>15109737
hahaha.. yes, one of them graphical cgi visualizations which arent even real time generated like esas, but pre rendered. so when the rocket blows up you would not even know until after the press conference

>>15109737
If it's going to be streamed, it'll be on Weibo and no one here will be able to watch it live. Spaceflight fans in the West only get streams of Chinese launches for big events like the LM-5.

>>15109746
>an insider at NASA has just leaked a new project called the "Other Worlds Observatory"
>when asked what this is the insider reportedly snickered

>>15109742
>Name it the Carl Sagan Observatory
>Wokists dig up mountains of dirt how Sagan hated blacks and fags
I respect Sagan so much more now

>>15109742
>evolve current technologies (like JWST segmented mirror)
they should just make a monolithic mirror and launch it on Starship. Please no deployment mechanisms

>>15109743
I swear the moment those oil rigs become operational we'll be hit with soo many hit pieces and sudden concern everywhere for the fish and ocean life in the gulf of mexico that it won't be even funny to shitpost about it.

>>15109743
oh, he pretty much made a deal with them, since he got those specialized custom built hydraulic cable hoists used on the launch towers now to lift the chop sticks for cheap, he just ripped them with their power plants out of the oil rigs. and the repurposing of the oil rigs can wait. he got to get starship profitable before putting any more money into the rigs

>>15109743
I mean, imagine playing laser tag team deathmatch on one of these.

>>15109762
seems a bit dangerous

>>15109755
I thought they were only aiming for like a 6m mirror, which would be totally feasible to launch monolithically using "next-gen rocket capabilities" like they say.

>>15109763
It's a part of the fun.

>>15109757
SpaceX is going to wait on sea platform recovery until after they're confident they can catch a starship without blowing up the tower its aiming for. Replacing land-based GSE is enough of a pain. Having it take out an awkward to replace oil rig too would be worse.

>>15109753
>One Sunday morning toward the end of summer, Abrahamson, his fiancée, and Sagan were washing the car the couple had been given as an engagement present. Sagan propounded a new theory: that Moses, Jesus, and all the great religious figures of ages past were really extraterrestrial beings. The miracles of the Bible had all happened as described. Moses parted the Red Sea, Jesus turned water into wine, and so forth. They used advanced technology that was perfectly normal on their planet—but which we earthlings could take only as proof of divinity.
>That afternoon, Abrahamson took his fiancée and Sagan out to dinner at what was, for Bloomington in the 1950s, a very posh establishment. It was “the kind of restaurant where people went after church.” In the middle of dinner, without any warning, Sagan slammed his fist on the table, sending the dishes rattling. He looked Abrahamson in the eye and bellowed, “I tell you, Jesus Christ is extraterrestrial!”
>The restaurant fell silent. It took a subjective eternity for conversations to resume with something of their former spontaneity. Abrahamson and his fiancée wanted to crawl under the table

>>15109763
make it real death match then. laser tag.. use real guns. let people bet on the dark web.

>>15109756
The Yellow-Banded Turd Scallop is a keystone species in the fragile Gulf ecosystem. I'm tired of billionaires playing it fast and lose with the rules so they can larp as astronauts. Can't wait for ESG to come down hard on these sociopaths.

>>15109742
I'm don't remember were I saw this, but I'm almost sure the HWO was an alternative down scaled proposal of the LUVOIR.

>>15109764
how else is NG supposed to win the contract?

>>15109769
like real life hunger games! :D

>>15109762
it looks like a real counter strike map lmao

>>15109743
I still difficult for me to imagine how are they going to convert the orbital infrastructure from Starbase, including tanks, tables and towers, and cram them on those oil rigs. Of course, while keeping it stable.
Perhaps they are going to start working on them once Starbase (and maybe LC-39A) are fully finished.
Maybe it could have been better to buy that old Kittyhawk.

>>15108943
it's going to be less exciting

>>15109771
Yeah, there was LUVOIR and an exoplanet telescope proposed to the decadal, and the decadal told them to compromise between them.

>>15109764
Oldspace agents were hard at work to ensure this telescope is made of segmented mirrors and serviceable

>>15109742
>Habitable Worlds Observatory
> In fact they're just at the right distance and mass, we have no idea other than that

>>15109764
>next-gen rocket capabilities
Oh, so you mean like Ariane 6 or Vulcan?

>>15109755
It's too hard to manufacture. Mirror deployment was actually a fairly uneventful part of JWST, they just need a better sunshade design. Why launch a big monolithic mirror when you can launch a huge segmented mirror?

>>15109801
Yes I do

>>15109776
the tank farm could be replaced with modified tanker ships

>>15109821
Meds

>>15109778
>>15109792
Well, I like exoplanet research, but I guess it will be just more of the same. We seriously need a big telescope for direct imaging Earth (or ideally Mars) sized planets in the near stars systems located at least 10 light years (Epsilon Eridani), but ideally more than that.

How about a yuuuge segmented mirror but its deployed by astronauts who can fix it if something sticks or jams and if its OK it fires its ion drives and flys to its mission orbit?

>>15109822
they hated him because he told them the truth

>>15109822

>>15109823
Having three pixels instead of one is still gonna just as useless. You must build a big radio telescope and search for emissions of a developed civilization. JWST can already do spectroscopy alright and you're not going to get to do more than that in optical.

>>15109770
I forgot about ESGhound. Is he still posting about starbase is going to be shut down for illegal drilling for real this time

>>15109832
Oh for hell sake STOP with the radio bullshit. Radio cannot confirm unintelligent life and terraformable planets, and those are much more likely and interesting for human endeavours. Plus we could discover some exomoons too.

Depots

>>15109848
backwards means "stopeD" hmmm

>>15109843
I think the other anon meant this ESG

Chopsticks are in position around Booster 7

>>15109022
Get a room Elon

>>15109466
Is that white foam? Is it painted white?

>>15109848
Despots

Transmedium Flight anyone??

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41045/the-navy-concluded-transmedium-flying-submersible-vehicles-were-possible-a-decade-ago

>>15109890
I feel like any vehicle designed with both roles would either be too heavy to fly or too light to really do anything but submerge lower than 10ft below the water

>>15109890
Not an aircraft, but could spacecraft double up for underwater exploration?

>>15109890
Lockheed martin built these 30 years ago and you cant even imagine what they have now. their technology is 100s of years ahead of space-x

>>15109922
Well since spaceships are designed to handle pressures anywhere between 0 and 1, no.