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[Anonymous No.10628395]

Elon Musk says that he will land humans on Mars by 2025, but can he succeed?

But what if the problem we are faced with is the inability of humans to get humans into space as quickly as humans could?


For example, if humans become unable to get our asses onto the Moon. There would be enormous political consequences for humanity. If the Moon is not a viable destination for humans, then the possibility of humans getting their asses onto the Moon would vanish. Then what?


If we are unable to go to the Moon, we will be forced to stop the development and operation of space exploration and science.


If space exploration is stopped, then space exploration is stopped.


I believe Elon Musk might have a shot of going to the Moon. He is one of the bravest and best people I have met, and I have always been impressed by him, and his ability.

[Anonymous No.10628399]

Musk has said that landing humans on Mars is the next great challenge in humanity's history:

While human beings are still on Earth, there was not a single person left on the moon. And by the end of the century or so, we will be on Mars, a completely different planet that was once a part of the solar system. So humans will come down there and we will be able to return and bring back stuff that we need in order for humanity to survive and for our descendants to get advanced technology. So we're going to be on Mars in a year. And we really will need Mars and the resources there for many years to come.


In his vision of Mars, Elon Musk, CEO of a new technology company he founded called SpaceX, is proposing a plan to build a colony on Mars by 2030, if he gets the necessary government government funding. In his dream, we would be able to have a new home.

The main goal is to have a colony as fast as possible. You can expect the first Mars colony to be on Mars by around 2030. According to Musk's vision of Mars, Elon Musk, CEO of a new technology company he founded called SpaceX, is proposing a plan to build a colony on Mars by 2030, if he gets the necessary government government funding. In his dream, we would be able to have a population of 10,000 and have an industrial base. SpaceX has already built a launch pad , while they are also looking to Mars to establish a land base. According to Musk he hopes for a landing with the help of a Starship vehicle. In Musk's vision, a colony on Mars would provide a great home for humanity.

In Musk's vision is, a colony will not come up by chance. It would need to be built, and it would need to be built up, but it would need to be ready to take humans soon.

[Anonymous No.10628402]

A successful colonization of Mars by humans will be an enormous challenge. That's why Musk believes there is room for development in his ideas and why he needs a lot of people's cooperation. To have SpaceX succeed, he needs to hire lots of engineers, scientists, and technicians. So, the key to doing his ideas right will be for Musk to take some big risks, and be willing to use a lot of people.

Elon Musk has predicted that if humanity goes on to Mars in the not-too-distant future, it will have to rely on the Earth to return supplies and fuel to the space station from its orbiting laboratory.

Speaking to the Huffington Post , Musk said that, in the event humans can get to Mars, it may have to rely on Earth as its main supply of "some basic, maybe lifesaving things like food and water or anything".


But if we were to stop humans from going on to Mars, the space agency's plans for sending astronauts to the red planet will be scrapped, he argues, saying "those missions are very challenging" as they are still a few decades away.

[Anonymous No.10628404]

>>10628395
>>10628399
>>10628402
Stop saying "humans" so much jesus christ

[Anonymous No.10628412]

>>10628404
Why? Do you have something against humans? Do you oppose them? But I can guarantee that for humanity as a whole those thoughts are just a lot of bullshit, a lot of fear and fear and insecurity, a lot of rage and rage. It's a very fragile thing.

There are many things at stake that we can do. Not a lot of us want to act responsibly but it is important to us that we at least try to do so.

[Anonymous No.10628426]

>>10628402
>Speaking to the Huffington Post , Musk said that, in the event humans can get to Mars, it may have to rely on Earth as its main supply of "some basic, maybe lifesaving things like food and water or anything".

So it's not happening? We can't supply millions of tons of food and water to Mars.

[Anonymous No.10628435]

This nigga unironically proposed a global mass transit system utilizing ICBM's powered by methane.

[Anonymous No.10628438]

mfw reading this thread

[Anonymous No.10628441]

>>10628435
That sounds cool as fuck though

[Anonymous No.10628446]

>>10628395
I toured their offices in late 2014. The tell-all should've been I wasn't immediately strucked by their brilliance/intelligence like I was when I visited other places. It's a burnout culture over there and even the more senior guys weren't as impressive as I had imagined.
They have trouble hiring and retaining top-level scientific talent and that has a LOT to do with the way they run the company.

[Anonymous No.10628447]

>>10628446
Do they really need 'top-level scientific talent?'

They're an engineering company, not a fundamental research organisation or an academic physics department.

[Anonymous No.10628457]

>>10628446
Nah I'd say they have good enough people.

Tom Mueller and co. are well known in the industry and they've been with SPX since the beginning almost.

They could do with treating their junior engineers better though. Right now it's a sweatshop + resume builder. People work there for 2 years then hop to some cushy aerospace job down the line.

[Anonymous No.10628463]

>>10628412
No it's the same as saying any word too many times.

[Anonymous No.10628467]

Lithobraking counts as landing

[Anonymous No.10628498]

>>10628447
>an engineering company
I hope you understand why that's not getting to Mars any time in the next 80 years.

[Anonymous No.10628502]

>>10628498
$500,000 bet?

[Anonymous No.10628515]

>>10628502
No, but I'll take that bet over the next 30 years. 80 was the upper bound.

[Anonymous No.10628523]

>>10628498
Getting to Mars is wholly an engineering problem at this point.

[Anonymous No.10628530]

>>10628523
This is the kind of logic that leads to catastrophic failure and dead astronauts. You can't be paid to commit extended suicide.

[Anonymous No.10628533]

>>10628395
>by 2025
he might land humans on the moon by 2025
mars? 2040
I have a feeling they will do some kind of manned flight to venus and back as a test first though

[Anonymous No.10628543]

>>10628395
>Anonymous 05/09/19(Thu)00:40:33 No.10628395▶>>10628404 >>10628446 >>10628533
>Elon Musk says that he will land humans on Mars by 2025, but can he succeed?

Emphatically, no. Maybe could do the moon though, but probably with an unacceptably high risk of killing his astronauts.

[Anonymous No.10628545]

>>10628530
Are you retarded? Dumbass scientists kill people and accomplish nothing because they're too concerned with jerking each other off to what's theoretically possible (but not practical to engineer). We have the technology to go to Mars. There's no scientific discovery that needs to happen. Just engineering to build and test the right equipment and prove it safe to an acceptable level of risk. Physicists are helpful as long as they are acting as engineers.

[Anonymous No.10628582]

>>10628545
That's exactly the kind of goal-oriented bullshit I'm talking about. It takes more than physicists and engineers to keep a crew alive and sane. The technology doesn't exist or we wouldn't need engineers to make it. Skilled craftsmen take up the mantle of yesterday's pinnacles of engineering the moment there's something for the engineers to move on to. It only comes into play when there's an advancement to change everything, and that rarely comes from the engineers. I'm not touting physicists here because I ultimately agree with you on that point, but there's more to science than particles and particle beams.

"Just throw more resources at it" doesn't solve problems efficiently. Read that again: Efficiently.

[Anonymous No.10628628]

Can he do it? One reply = one like for Elon

[Anonymous No.10628629]

>>10628628
sorry wrong pic

[Anonymous No.10628632]

>will humans land on mars by 2025?
Sure. But Elon said nothing about them surviving.

[Anonymous No.10628656]

>>10628412

Didn't you take Rhetoric in your engineering school? Holy Christ

[Anonymous No.10628664]

>>10628395
>I believe Elon Musk
I have a problem with those four words, arranged in that order.

[Anonymous No.10628854]

>>10628395
>Elon Musk says that he will land humans on Mars by 2025, but can he succeed?
time to leave mars, here comes the spy state to ruin it.

[Anonymous No.10628862]

>>10628664

I hear that if you live a sinful life you die and come back as the engineer who has to keep Musk's promises

[Anonymous No.10629588]

>>10628629
5 buttons on the sleeve, just like a Delta airlines flight attendant. lol
where is he getting his suits, ff??

[Anonymous No.10629645]

>>10628395
>Elon Musk says that he will land humans on Mars by 2025, but can he succeed?
I doubt it because SpaceX has just started building prototypes of their super rocket. Even assuming that everything goes well and BFR starts flying next year, that leaves SpaceX five years to develop and thoroughly test technology for human habitation on Mars. Something that SpaceX hasn't started much on, IIRC.

However, I still commend Elon and SpaceX for trying even if they fail the 2025 goal. The fact that they tried to do it rather than draw up some Martian base renderings and then wait until forever for government funding shows just how dedicated he and his company are to spaceflight. Spaceflight needs more people like Elon and more companies like SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.10629678]

Elon Musk also said he will land a Dragon capsule on Mars last May.

[Anonymous No.10629681]

>>10628395
>>10628399
>>10628402
that's a lot of reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.10629689]

What was that one-way trip thing to Mars that was mocked as the one-way first class coffin?

[Anonymous No.10629701]

>>10629689
Mars One

[Anonymous No.10629703]

>>10628395
He should focus all his energy of space X


Leave electric cars to the other 20 companys

[Anonymous No.10629721]

>>10629703

BYD is dogshit though. Tesla is supreme. Why should he give that up?

As long as Elon's sucking up the modafinil, it's no problem.

>Even assuming that everything goes well and BFR starts flying next year, that leaves SpaceX five years to develop and thoroughly test technology for human habitation on Mars

Tons of scientists have already done stuff on this, SpaceX can just ask them. SpaceX engineers rockets, its not designed to think about how to survive there. Leave that to the rest of the science community.

[Anonymous No.10629799]

>>10628395
https://www.metaculus.com/questions/349/will-spacex-land-people-on-mars-prior-to-2030/

50% chance he gets them there before 2030

not sure about 2025 but ovs less than half

[Anonymous No.10629839]

>>10629721
>Tons of scientists have already done stuff on this, SpaceX can just ask them. SpaceX engineers rockets, its not designed to think about how to survive there. Leave that to the rest of the science community.
I guess you have a point. Maybe I'm just used to "oldspace's" pace of spending decades in LEO while barely doing more than nothing for a beyond LEO mission, but a manned 2025 Mars mission seems abit too fast than what SpaceX is capable of.

Not to discredit SpaceX though. I really hope that they make it.

[Anonymous No.10630393]

No, he's a fucking idiot and you're being sucked in by his marketing.

[Anonymous No.10630459]

10630393
hi thunderf00t
take your meds on time today?

[Anonymous No.10631324]

Who wrote this?

[Anonymous No.10631335]

>>10628395
>If space exploration is stopped, then space exploration is stopped.