What's the evolutionary advantage of having children? What does an animal stand to gain from having children, especially since becoming pregnant and caring for children handicaps them?

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Anonymous Sun May 26 10:19:09 2019 No.10674223 [Reply] [Original]

What's the evolutionary advantage of having children? What does an animal stand to gain from having children, especially since becoming pregnant and caring for children handicaps them?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:20:46 2019 No.10674229 >>10674223 that's the whole purpose of living you reatrded mongoloid, it's the core of existance : Your genes must survive

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:24:09 2019 No.10674242 >>10674229 >that's the whole purpose of living I understand that, but what's the advantage of this? Surely animals that don't bother having children would be better off.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:29:44 2019 No.10674254 >>10674242 exactly that's why the smartest nations have the lowest fertility rates, because people are overcoming the innate desire for reproduction just to pass on their genes, as there is no advantage. it's some kind of instinct built into us.

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>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:33:06 2019 No.10674264 >>10674223 It...passes on its genes to the next generation. Without this, evolution couldn’t happen.

Anonymous Sun May 26 10:35:30 2019 No.10674267

>>10674242
There is no advantage for the individual himself. In fact, reproducing greatly increases mortality. It is only in the "interest" of the genes, that is, only the genes of those individuals that reproduce will be around in the next generation. This problem in fact now leads to the huge problem that can be observed all around the world that because intelligence is negatively correlated with reproduction, reproducing is now primarily down by unintelligent people with weak impulse control. This will pose a huge problem because of the accumulation of dysgenic factors.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:44:54 2019 No.10674286 >>10674267 Sorry to burst your bubble but the “intelligent” people not reproducing are intuitively actually kind of retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:46:55 2019 No.10674290 >>10674223 animals arent egoistic genes are

Anonymous Sun May 26 10:52:07 2019 No.10674305

>>10674223
do you know that horrible empty feeling that you feel every night ? that void which you try to fill with studying all the time and browsing 4chan till the morning, but no matter what you do it's still there? well I have a suspicion that raising a kid might be the only way out of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:04:06 2019 No.10674337 >>10674286 From the biological point of few, they are.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:06:56 2019 No.10674346 >>10674337 *view. Dammit.

Anonymous Sun May 26 11:09:18 2019 No.10674352

I suspect this is the same anon who did the 'could we collect vacuum from space in bottles in order to create zero-gravity on earth'. He is clever enough to understand the theory thoroughly and ask the exact stupidest possible followup questions in order to provoke maximum autism responses, but always maintains politeness, eloquence and continued perfect nonunderstanding even in response to lucid explanations and insults. if it is you, I missed you. We shall see as thread evolved, the true king of /sci/trolling is pretty good about keeping the ruse going.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:14:21 2019 No.10674370 >>10674242 Exactly. If you have or plan to have children, you're not much better than an animal. Just get a dog.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:15:24 2019 No.10674372 >>10674370 Humans are just animals. You’re no better than a dog and never will be.

Anonymous Sun May 26 11:37:03 2019 No.10674417
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>>10674223
>What's the evolutionary advantage of having children? What does an animal stand to gain from having children, especially since becoming pregnant and caring for children handicaps them?

You seem to think that the animal thinks it through.

You would be better off thinking of the genes as parasites (they are not, but useful to think of them that way for this purpose)

These parasites needs to survive long enough to replicate into the next generation. So they drive the animal to have children.

It's about the evolutionary advantage for the genes - not the individual animal.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:38:54 2019 No.10674423 >>10674370 >If you have or plan to have children, you're not much better than an animal. Lol. Incel coping. Just how exactly are you "better" just because you are untouchable to all females?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:42:37 2019 No.10674438 >>10674423 missing the picture but it's a dog with a man's face who calls someone incel and then begs for sex.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:46:20 2019 No.10674449 >>10674223 >evolutionary advantage >having children No children, no evolution

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:52:16 2019 No.10674459 >>10674438 That’s incel coping, too.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:57:00 2019 No.10674470 >>10674459 >Lol. Incel coping. That’s incel coping, too. Someone who is so obsessed with calling other incels can surely not be an incel himself? Can he?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 12:07:34 2019 No.10674482 >>10674470 >Dur Maebee UR the incel Kill yourself incel. No one will ever love,you. You deserve to die and be forgotten.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 12:12:44 2019 No.10674493 >>10674482 Poor attempt at trolling.

Anonymous Sun May 26 12:28:00 2019 No.10674524

>animals that don't bother having children would be better off
Until the species dies out in a single generation.
There's no evolutionary advantage to having children, it's the other way around. All evolutionary advantages are geared towards having children. More precisely, ensuring you survive until you spread your genes.

>>	s*ge Sun May 26 12:33:49 2019 No.10674538 >>10674223 >What's the evolutionary advantage of having children to pass on your genes you fucking moron. posts that begin with "what's the evolutionary advantage of" or "scientifically speaking" should be automatically flagged for spam. I'm fucking mad.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 12:34:54 2019 No.10674541 >>10674223 Proactive combination and recombination of genes allows for swift adaptation to changing environments. If organisms were immortal, or if they were purely clones any disturbance of the environment could spell extinction.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 12:42:03 2019 No.10674552 >>10674242 >advantage >better off Define these meme words

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 15:08:46 2019 No.10674931 >>10674229 >that's the whole purpose of living how do we kill this meme

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 15:13:52 2019 No.10674951 >>10674931 Exterminate life

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>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 03:50:40 2019 No.10676403 >>10674264 flawed system. otherwise it would just evolve immortality or a rejuvenating process in order to abuse the advantage a long life span offers an intelligent animal. clearly natured is flawed...therefore it must be destroyed and reworked.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 03:57:44 2019 No.10676417 >>10674305 good luck finding a girl to breed with....if you do...let me know if she has a sister. >>10674372 dogs lick their balls humans have technology that can do that for us. get real dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 04:01:08 2019 No.10676424 >>10676403 >clearly natured is flawed...therefore it must be destroyed and reworked. Then do it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 04:01:39 2019 No.10676426 >>10674223 I know this is bait but I guess it is the logical conclusion of all shitty what's the evolutionary advantage of threads

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 04:47:27 2019 No.10676524 >>10674254 All our urges we satisfy to generate those utils exist to facilitate survival and reproduction. It's kind of horrifying that people think subverting the natural order for vapid personal pleasure is some kind of good.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 04:48:38 2019 No.10676526 >>10674223 >what’s the evolutionary advantage of giving your species the chance to evolve WHO FUCKING KNOWS?!

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 06:28:50 2019 No.10676630 >>10676526 This, but unironically

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 06:45:06 2019 No.10676653 What if we, the animal, are the transient state, and its actually the DNA that is the real "being" or human.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:31:12 2019 No.10676770 >>10674931 teach philosophy, along with science.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 09:11:56 2019 No.10676830 >>10674417 Many females do think it through avoiding impregnation when raped and depriving eggs of nutrients if they consider the male unfit.

Anonymous Mon May 27 09:12:36 2019 No.10676832

>>10674223
Your DNA gets passed on.
But it can also be evolutionarily advantageous to protect things with similar DNA to you, if that's the thing one is taking into consideration as replicated.
It could also be advantageous to help people with similar traits to oneself to propagate those traits either through education or genetics.
Memes can spread as genes do.
Traits can spread without the same underlying DNA. The same trait can be produced by different DNA.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 09:44:51 2019 No.10676895 >>10676526 Humans no longer evolve. We don't have any outside factors that force us to evolve biologically anymore. The only "evolving" humans have been doing lately is mutating or genetically degrading.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:13:08 2019 No.10676938 File: 156 KB, 1242x1394, 66f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10676895 >We don't have any outside factors We won't need them as soon as we can reliably edit our genes

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:21:58 2019 No.10676947 >>10674223 >confusing cause & effect with each other

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:25:52 2019 No.10676949 >>10676938 This but unironically. Crispr is scary good

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:33:08 2019 No.10676966 >>10676653 That's idea has been around since at least the 70s. Richard Dawkins popularized it back when he was still doing science and not being stupid like he is today.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:34:30 2019 No.10676968 >>10674223 All living things are constructs of DNA who exist to replicate said DNA.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:45:46 2019 No.10676986 >>10674229 Why must your genes survive? What does it matter?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:50:52 2019 No.10676998 Op is retard

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:51:54 2019 No.10677000 >>10674223 >What's the evolutionary advantage of having children? Evolution.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:59:55 2019 No.10677017 >>10676966 aww it's retarded

Anonymous Mon May 27 11:09:08 2019 No.10677026

if you didn't feel good when making babies you wouldn't do it
babies is the chance for your genes to change and become better.
If you were the best and you didn't die then a lot of your children wouldn't so you'd be able to conquer the universe breeding when you need more soldiers

"evolution" is just a bunch of stuff happening, but when you're a part of that stuff happening it feels good when you do stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:17:57 2019 No.10677041 >>10674223 please go read the selfish gene, you cunt.

Anonymous Mon May 27 11:34:33 2019 No.10677074

>>10676986
It doesn't "matter" in a way that would make sense to you.
Life forms usually develop evolutionary advantages geared towards reproduction because those that don't simply go extinct.
A species that doesn't feel the need to reproduce cannot exist for more than one generation.
That's the simplest explanation I can give you. I can't understand this very simple concept for you.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 12:51:28 2019 No.10677210 >>10674524 >>10676526 >>10677074 >unironically spouting group selection this fucking board

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 12:57:44 2019 No.10677231 >>10677026 >if you didn't feel good when making babies you wouldn't do it Categorically untrue. There’s only a handful of species for which procreation “feels good”.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 12:59:59 2019 No.10677235 >>10677074 So then the question becomes: why does life self replicate? Is it an emergent property?

Anonymous Mon May 27 13:07:28 2019 No.10677244

>>10676403
>otherwise it would just evolve immortality
Which can't be done without having children. You could imagine a perfect organism that doesn't need to reproduce and just lives forever in its perfect state, but such a thing has not, and could not, naturally, exist.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 13:18:51 2019 No.10677266 >>10677235 It kind of is. Only life that self-replicates is still around billions of years later.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 13:23:15 2019 No.10677284 >>10677210 This has nothing to do with group selection at all. The need to reproduce is observed on an individual basis because an individual that doesn't want to reproduce... doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 13:24:38 2019 No.10677289 >>10677231 How do you know, retard? Did you ask?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 14:02:49 2019 No.10677383 >>10674229 >that's the whole purpose of living Congrats on using an invalid, /pol/-quality argument

Anonymous Mon May 27 14:22:51 2019 No.10677437

>>10674223

You are forced to desire to reproduce due to the laws of nature. There is no "evolutionary advantage" to reproducing as the very act of reproducing is directly intertwined to evolving.
Without reproduction, there is no evolving. Without evolving, there is no reproduction.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:50:38 2019 No.10678249 >>10677231 fuck you ducks love rape.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:52:47 2019 No.10678256 File: 626 KB, 652x562, 1537748154968.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10674229 >some life does this therefore that's the purpose of life

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:54:01 2019 No.10678259 >>10678256 what life doesn't reproduce?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:56:53 2019 No.10678261 >>10678259 You.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 23:24:41 2019 No.10678634 >>10674931 what meme, the idea that life has a purpose? fuck if I know.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:23:13 2019 No.10678880 >>10678259 in nature, 90% fail to reproduce, mainly because they die before becoming old enough

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:33:24 2019 No.10678904 >>10678880 ok then life's purpose is to die and to continue doing that some must procreate.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:36:10 2019 No.10678916 >>10674423 You can also have sex without having children, the best choice.

Anonymous Tue May 28 04:21:43 2019 No.10679132

Most of your answers seem to be "the purpose of genes is to reproduce themselves, and we are based on genes, that's why we have children." But that still doesn't answer my question. An animal that fails or refuses to have children would have a greater chance of survival than one that does, since the one that does must invest time and energy into raising children, and therefore has a greater risk of dying. You could even die during pregnancy. Yet we only see animals that try to or have children.

The drive to have sex is unexplainable if we use this logic. A sex drive serves no purpose other than to convince animals to have sex, which puts them at greater risk of dying. Evolutionary, it shouldn't exist, but it does for some reason.

If you go back to your genes explanation it still doesn't make sense. According to natural selection, any animal that has a greater chance of survival will survive. Yet, if genes force an animal to go out of their way and put themselves at risk, they shouldn't exist since animals without genes would have a greater chance of surviving instead.

In regards of the evolutionary advantage of having children, I now see that social animals would benefit from this. To keep their community, they must have children. Animals that depend upon communities should have children to ensure their own survival. However, this does not explain most animals. Most animals are solitary, which is why it doesn't make sense for them to have children.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 04:26:45 2019 No.10679136 >>10678904 the word purpose implies intent you illiterate cretin

Anonymous Tue May 28 04:52:52 2019 No.10679171

>>10679132
Holy fuck are you retarded. Natural selection only increases your chances of survival until you are able to reproduce, since that's when you pass on your genes.
I'll put it as bluntly as I can:
animal gets gene mutation that makes him survive longer by removing his will to have children > no children to pass this gene to.
animal gets gene mutation that makes him want to fuck all the time > many children inherit this gene.
Over time, the world gets filled with animals that try hard to reproduce because all the mutations that cause individuals to not want children aren't transmitted.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 05:02:45 2019 No.10679181 >>10679132 Each child cuts the risk of dying out. If there are two animals, and one of them dies, they haven't died out. If there is only one, and it dies, it's permanently gone.

Anonymous Tue May 28 11:53:39 2019 No.10679793

>>10679132
Evolution isn't some thing that drives individual animals to behave in a particular way. It's just an emergent phenomena that we see when animals live and die by natural selection.

Consider a species where the animals don't reproduce. They may benefit from never having to think about reproduction but they eventually they die of old age and they go extinct. Animals that do feel the need to reproduce do so and so they don't go extinct. Naturally all the animals we see today aren't extinct and so reproduce, you don't need evolution to provide a 'reason' or 'purpose' for everything and if you think you do you don't understand evolution.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 11:55:39 2019 No.10679799 >>10674223 Evolution doesn't care for the individual, it cares for the individual species

Anonymous Tue May 28 14:14:21 2019 No.10680086

>>10674223
Anon, you are all right. And the thought isn't new. Thousands of years ago scholars did their best to discover immortality. As because just a 80 years of life span is infair for a scholar, scientist or intellect to observe the nature/ other interests. You have probably heard the stories of philosopher's stone, elixir. All in vain and just myths now. After many failed attempts to gain immortality, elites chose the nuclear family structure where children rights are preserved. As children does get their father's nature thru genetics and fathers actually gives effort to bring up them, this is way for them and their ideas to live on.
So rather than losing your smart intellect genes in the passage of time, it's better to pass on to offspring. Because they have the best chance becoming 'you/your ideas' rather than anyone else. You'll get the heck of it when you'd become father.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:32:38 2019 No.10680128 >>10676403 Your perspective is incoherent. The system itself is effectively immortal. Immortality is readily achieved through perpetual reproduction. Reproduction = rejuvenation. There is no "individual organism". That is the point.

Anonymous Tue May 28 14:42:51 2019 No.10680146

>>10674229
>Your genes must survive
What an autistic statement. What if we achieved immortality or my actions led to the creation of, let's say, an AI which is magnitudes more efficient than me in literally everything, does replication of my genes matter in that case as well?

Your genes are merely matter trying to keep the torch lit for the low entropy structures it has formed in the eternal fight of matter versus entropy, and the moment even lower entropy structures start coming out of you that are also self-sustaining and capable of replication, you're already outdated and your extinction affects the Universe in absolutely no way. In fact your administration over the matter that assembles you becomes inefficient when compared to the superior being you created, and yielding your control over it to that being is the logical thing to do, exactly in the same way that cattle and plants yield control over their matter so we don't starve.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:44:08 2019 No.10680150 >>10674242 >What is the advantage of not going extinct When I am depressed I am comforted by remembering I am not as retarded as you.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:45:47 2019 No.10680972 >>10674223 gr8 b8 i r8 8/8

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:48:32 2019 No.10680981 >>10676403 Do it, pussy.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:55:26 2019 No.10681000 I have a vasectomy

Anonymous Tue May 28 21:05:05 2019 No.10681024

>genes pass on
>genes will be diluted out of existence when anyway each generation until you don't even have a relationship with your own spawn

Maybe if we lived in tight-knit communities/tribes where genes were kept within, but nowadays those bonds don't exist.

Anonymous Tue May 28 21:14:03 2019 No.10681046

>>10681000
I actually would consider it unethical of myself to even have a vasectomy reversed because my ancestors lived to a pretty old age and tho the research says that it doesn't change anything my body is different than everybody else is just due to genetic mutation too

Anonymous Tue May 28 21:16:49 2019 No.10681058

>>10679799
Evolution does care about anything, it's a fucking process.
Hydrogen and oxygen bond to make oxygen because conditions are right. Organism reproduce because that's what they do, and the change because that's what they do. The study of evolution is about what processes cause these events, and what the conditions are that influence them and how

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:17:55 2019 No.10681064 >>10678634 that reproducing is the purpose

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:21:58 2019 No.10681068 >>10681064 so you think that I'm a man with no purpose because I have a vasectomy I plan to build the world for the living not the Dead I plan to live a world that even if we go extinct will have value for an alien species who doesn't

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:25:36 2019 No.10681077 >>10681068 No, you I can't even say retard because that was just insane jibberish and absolutely no one wants to know that you cut your balls off, I was saying that "the purpose of life is to reproduce" is a meme and needs to be killed

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:27:05 2019 No.10681079 >>10674223 >What does an animal stand to gain from having children kek, this nigga...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:27:26 2019 No.10681080 >>10681077 niggas check out this riboinsidesane jihad

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