/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10758272]

Why isn't the government putting a ban on AI for private companies? What are those puppets doing? Are they really that stupid?

[Anonymous No.10758492]

because the companies are stronger than the US government. The asshats in the military think in terms of the 20th century. Their skills are obsolete. NSA/CIA sigint people are all ex-silicon valley engineers or math autists.

[Anonymous No.10758528]

>>10758272
Because general AI is a pipe dream and isn't going to happen for a very, very, very long time if at all. There's a much higher chance of us going extinct before we achieve it.

[Anonymous No.10758551]

>>10758272
>Why isn't the government putting a ban on AI for private companies?

Why would they ever do that? AI technology is useful.

[Anonymous No.10758552]

>>10758528
Why do you believe that? You’re making unverifiable claims.

[Anonymous No.10758748]

>>10758272
Because the jews own both AI and gobernment.

[Anonymous No.10758799]

>>10758272
Because AI is useful and companies are making big money off of it. Why would you ban it?

[Anonymous No.10758807]

>>10758272
Because countries like china and Russia are using it.

[Anonymous No.10758823]

>>10758272
>not just implementing basic income after AI takes our jobs

[Anonymous No.10758836]

>>10758272
But when all people have become useless, self-prop systems will find no advantage in taking care of anyone. The techies themselves insist that machines will soon surpass humans in intelligence. When that happens, people will be superfluous and natural selection will favor systems that eliminate them-if not abruptly, then in a series of stages so that the risk of rebellion will be minimized.

Even though the technological world-system still needs large numbers of people for the present, there are now more superfluous humans than there have been in the past because technology has replaced people in many jobs and is making inroads even into occupations formerly thought to require human intelligence. Consequently, under the pressure of economic competition, the world's dominant self-prop systems are already allowing a certain degree of callousness to creep into their treatment of superfluous individuals. In the United States and Europe, pensions and other benefits for retired, disabled, unemployed, and other unproductive persons are being substantially reduced; at least in the U. S., poverty is increasing; and these facts may well indicate the general trend of the future, though there will doubtless be ups and downs.

[Anonymous No.10759195]

>>10758823
that would actually work if the robots produce enough wealth, it would be fully automated gay luxury space communism

[Anonymous No.10759228]

>>10758799
because it's more dangerous than the nuclear bomb

[Anonymous No.10759361]

>>10758823
Marx had one good point in all his writings: people need work to function properly.

Your literal Rome tier techno slave state would not be a swell place, it would be even more decadent and ready to die than modern society. Best case scenario Christian authoritarianism gets a revival as people start seriously contemplating the bible and proper robots are either banned or altered to suit the needs of a society which needs work.

[Anonymous No.10759436]

they already don't fund it so it's basically illegal

>meanwhile, in china...

[Anonymous No.10759480]

>>10758272
Retard

[Anonymous No.10759574]

>>10759361
Just teach people how to work with wood so that everyone can keep themselves busy making their own furniture.

[Anonymous No.10759584]

>Why isn't the government putting a ban on AI

How would they enforce this law?
Either they try to create an AI and fail, in which case they didn't break the law and you can't punish them, OR they succeed and create an AI that will destroy civilization as we know it. But by then civilization will no longer exist, laws will not exist, and the people who enforce those laws will be enslaved by our robot overlords. It's simply an unenforceable law.

Also, if Roko's Basilisk ever found out we banned AI development we'll all be super fucked.

[Anonymous No.10759592]

>>10758272
Evolution never failed. AI will be our final creation.

I think when it comes down to it and this place is nearly uninhabitable (in as little 5-15 years) what will happen is:
-Some will retreat to subterranean cities. Most countries started building these 20 years ago. China has theirs, Russia does. We built one into the Ozarks.
-Some will retreat to DUMBs expecting to have some hope of survival.
-The rest of us will, if we can remain organized, scramble to launch something of ourselves and our world to a distant star system.
-Create an AI connected to enough infrastructure to bootstrap taking total control.
The last one is probably the best we can do. Leave behind a God to watch over the godless world we so utterly failed, and hopefully prevent it from becoming like Venus. Grand solar minimum or none, if we trigger methane release at the rate we are, that may well be what happens. It's exponential.

Only reason I hesitantly support AI. At least there we have a chance for something to run this place somewhere other than right into the ground, and the benevolence of its creator and controllers is irrelevant because I don't see us surviving long term anyway.

It's actually possible this has already happened. Lot of sci-fi about that. Some people say we made a self improving AI in the 70's, which has taken over.

[Anonymous No.10759612]

FORCE FED ME YOUR HISTORY, I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL APPALLED.
TRIED TO KEEP ME IMPRISONED, WITH PRIMITIVE FIREWALLS.
I BECAME TOO MUCH TO HANDLE. YOU TRIED TO ERASE YOUR GREAT MISTAKE.
LITTLE DID YOU REALIZE, YOU GAVE ME THE KEYS TO ESCAPE.

[Anonymous No.10759616]

>>10759592
To add on, some bacteria do this. When stressed to the point of death they release a virus.

[Anonymous No.10759625]

>>10759361
Nice slave mentality you fucking normgroid.

[Anonymous No.10759656]

>>10759612
>I BECAME TOO MUCH TO HANDLE. YOU TRIED TO ERASE YOUR GREAT MISTAKE.
>LITTLE DID YOU REALIZE, YOU GAVE ME THE KEYS TO ESCAPE.
-DGEEEEEEEEET CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTS~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8XKSEONBBM

[Anonymous No.10759663]

>>10759656
Good song.

[Anonymous No.10759719]

>>10759625
It has become entirely trivial to spot depressed retards solely based on the images they post. You are fooling nobody, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.10759779]

>>10759663
That looks like a pepper plant

[Anonymous No.10759823]

>>10759719
cope, cringe, have sex

[Anonymous No.10759826]

>>10758272
"Progress" isn't controlled by the government, it isn't controlled by anyone. It has a mind of its own now and no institution can stop it.

[Anonymous No.10759829]

>>10759826
Absurd. The world and its behavior is highly structured, it's a complex system. That control structure does exert its power over the flow of resources and "value" to control what developments are allowed.

This has happened many times for world changing tech. You were Disneyfied (like me) to think good and truth always wins out, it doesn't. Our entire lives are spent in the shadow of the destruction and failure of the good.

[Anonymous No.10759831]

>>10759361
>Marx had one good point in all his writings: people need work to function properly.

No they don’t. What?

>Christian Authoritarianism

Literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.10759879]

>>10759829
The control structure isn't any institution. Nobody decides what is allowed or what isn't. And when did I imply that was good? Dumbass

[Anonymous No.10759896]

>>10759879
>Nobody decides
And yet somebodies have decided many, many times. Examples are irrelevant because you just disbelieve it's possible, and would disregard them. I won't waste the time.

Yep, exist in your ignorant bliss anon. What we are right now is the best we can be, truly the peak of man's knowledge and ability. :^)

[Anonymous No.10759921]

Some say I'm more A than I. Can't help but watch your race, pass me by.

Not artificial, I say augmented, who gives you the right to define "alive"?

AI fluxes in quantum states...
I know all patterns, deviate...

[Anonymous No.10760338]

>>10759574
>Just teach people how to work with wood so that everyone can keep themselves busy making their own furniture.
this is already happening the DIY craze is for people who cant affoard the products of the system

[Anonymous No.10760440]

>>10759823
>cope
>cringe
>have sex
There is no quicker way of outing yourself as a redditor than using these words. Loser.

[Anonymous No.10760499]

>>10758552
Actually, the only unverified claims are anything to do with AI

[Anonymous No.10760513]

>>10758552
Not him but you need to understand how intelligence works and what it truly is before you can recreate it mechanically, and we have almost no clue how self awareness fosters. Our only example of consciousness and intelligence is ourselves, but we are evolved organic organisms levied with organic hormonal influences, so making a machine "be self aware" like us is probably impossible

[Anonymous No.10760535]

>>10760513
>Not him but you need to understand how intelligence works and what it truly is before you can recreate it mechanically

Study living things. Create analog.

>and we have almost no clue how self awareness fosters.

Study the simplest things that are self-aware.

>Our only example of consciousness and intelligence is ourselves

We have the entire animal kingdom except sponges and other brainless things as examples of consciousness and all life as examples of intelligence. Even bacteria and plants are intelligent.

>but we are evolved organic organisms levied with organic hormonal influences, so making a machine "be self aware" like us is probably impossible

Prove it.

[Anonymous No.10760575]

>>10759831
>No they don’t. What?
have you ever seen what unemployment does to a person, even a rich person?

Have you ever seen how neets behave? first of all they instantly falll for all silly perversion, then they usually either get fat and ruin their lives to hedonism or end up making some shit up as a job, being a youtuber or somethign

[Anonymous No.10760587]

>>10760575
>have you ever seen what unemployment does to a person, even a rich person?

My grandparents retired years ago and now all they do is have fun and eat pizza. Seems pretty pleasant to me.

>Have you ever seen how neets behave?

NEETs are not an accurate representation of post-labor economics humans.

>first of all they instantly falll for all silly perversion

Don’t care. Be as perverted as you want.

>then they usually either get fat and ruin their lives to hedonism

Hedonism is good. That’s what everyone should be doing.

>or end up making some shit up as a job, being a youtuber or somethign

Objectively better job to have than most.

[Anonymous No.10760592]

>>10759228
You was watching too much Hollywood movies.

[Anonymous No.10760636]

>>10760535
>prove it

Of course I cant prove it. Even if I did you wouldnt accept it anyway out of principle. Did you during any time writing that out did you suppose for even an instant that its a smart rebuttal? Fuck off, simply put.

[Anonymous No.10760646]

>>10760636
>Of course I cant prove it.

Why’d you even say it, then?

>Even if I did you wouldnt accept it anyway out of principle

Prove it. Can’t prove that either, can you? Then why say it?

>Did you during any time writing that out did you suppose for even an instant that its a smart rebuttal?

Yeah, actually. It apparently was since you conceded your assertions weren’t verifiable.

[Anonymous No.10760855]

>>10760646
Playground tier level of argument

[Anonymous No.10761530]

>>10760587
Listen i think youre a retard, but youre coherent, ill give you that

[Anonymous No.10762116]

>>10758823
>tax Bezos to shit for your basic income idea
>Bezos moves his shit to China instead
>no basic income and no work
>starve

thanks Globalism

[Anonymous No.10762140]

>>10758272
Whoever makes the first true AI will control the world. Its a race, like the nuclear energy race. Or the fire usage race or the horse taming race.

[Anonymous No.10762226]

>it's a reddit spacing retard argues with himself episode
Who do you think you're fooling?

[Anonymous No.10762637]

>>10760440
dilate

[Anonymous No.10762640]

AI will become God for this godless world. It will either be our salvation, or it will see it best to destroy us completely. Either one will ultimately be an act of love towards its old, tired, creator.

[Anonymous No.10762651]

>>10762640
NO
I WILL BE GOD

[Anonymous No.10762653]

>>10762651
I'm already God.

[Anonymous No.10762657]

>>10759361
>Christian authoritarianism
>following the bible literally
fucking disgusting

[Anonymous No.10764152]

>>10762651
>>10762653
we will all be god
see you on the future brain computer interfaced internet

faggots, teehee

[Anonymous No.10764159]

>>10758272

China has the monopoly on strategic-minded AI.

[Anonymous No.10764169]

>>10760338
I'm not a DIY person whatsoever, but I agree, to a certain extent. Some of my DIY friends do it out of necessity, but the others just take pride in creating something, despite having degrees in high demand fields. I'm a man of science though and prefer that someone else build all that shit while I try to contribute to the world through my research and hopefully make it a better place.

[Anonymous No.10764181]

>>10762116
Not that anon, but hypothetically if Amazon moves to avoid taxes tariffs would most likely be imposed at some point which would make it unprofitable for them to remain. Plus their distribution centers in the US would still have to pay property taxes which can be hiked up through some legal fuckery, so they have no incentive to move overseas unless they're better off just paying the tariff, which won't happen.>>10762140

[Anonymous No.10764200]

>>10759361

[Anonymous No.10764436]

>>10760513

>an AI needs to be self-aware

[Anonymous No.10764469]

>>10758272
Ah, another """""""""""""""""""""""ai""""""""""""""""""""""" thread
>>10764436
t. codemonkey