/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10758580]

Scientifically speaking, what's the cause behind the Chinese being unable to innovate? There's a shitton of them, so statistically, you'd expect at least some good apples. They have money pouring out of the ass if the project has potential. Their education is always taken as an example for being tough, and the pupils hardworking and smart. Yet, all they do is cheap knockoffs of European/American technology/products/systems/etc. Is it culture? Education? Genetics? Public/private environment?

[Anonymous No.10758635]

If a Chinaman did innovate, his intellectual property would instantly be stolen by one of his feckless countrymen.

[Anonymous No.10758643]

>>10758580
>Is it culture?
There's no (scientific) reason to jump to that level of conclusion.
>Education?
Possibly. Have there been any studies on how well their education systems functions over a given metric?
>Genetics?
Bunk science. Searching for a genetic link is a needle in a haystack problem. You don't even know if there is a needle yet.
>Public/private environment?
Scientifically, this is the most likely explanation, because none of the prior factors has presented evidence of a rational causative explanation. The unknown option therefore has the most likely chance of panning out. Expand on this and I might be able to better collate data.

[Anonymous No.10758660]

>>10758580
Research and invention are inherently exceptional and ground breaking, but bugmen are too conformant to allow it, they are only allowed to excel in conformism, nonconformism is a crime, also the young should obey the old.

[Anonymous No.10758706]

>>10758580
Define innovation

[Anonymous No.10758771]

>>10758580
To rise in the ranks in China you need to be an unthinking party member. Then you get R&D budgets. And you will be supremely unqualified for either R or D.

Meanwhile the competent flee the country, got killed at Tienanmen or are kept down by party members. Thus even with massive industrial espionage they cannot get far. Add to this the massive corruption.

The result you can see in mess such as Loongson/Godson that was supposed to be new and groundbreaking but in the end turned out to be a copy of MIPS.

[Anonymous No.10758829]

>>10758580
Because asian culture encourages saving face, and saving face goes counter to creativity and correlates with conformism such that asian countries score less in plasticity and higher in stability, and plasticity is made up of "openness to experience" and "extroversion" which are also known as "cognitive exploration" and "behavioral exploration", both driven by a dopamine and among all beliefs that explain the variance in "openness to experience" is the belief that every person should think of themselves, and thinking for yourself is opposite to these ideas of conformism and "saving face". And one thing that is very important to understand about creativity, is that it's a process and that failure is indispensible, and that one cannot simply expect perfection. However, one can create the conditions for creativity in asians by getting rid of those concerns related to saving face, managing those emotions, and well some scientific paper speaks about that but I can't find it atm. And sure there might be some evolutionary factors, perhaps the fact that western societies tended to the hunting side while the eastern societies tended to the gathering side? Perhaps caused by the geography of those places? And of course it is clear that from history you have philosophies like confucianism that encourage harmony and conformity (though on the other hand taoism and buddhism might rather encourage "openness" but if taoism is misinterpreted then it might rather encourage "conservatism" and "passivity")

[Anonymous No.10758831]

think for themselves* not "think of themselves"

[Anonymous No.10759025]

>>10758580
Now the reason for confucianism predominating chinese thought is mostly historical, say, taoist thought is mostly non-existent, in part because of the cultural revolution of 1966-1976 but also because of the Qing dinasty