Fucking love science

[Anonymous No.10879477]

Why do so many people suddenly love science?
Is it good thing to bring pop science to the masses?

[Anonymous No.10879508]

Still preferable to "Muh dick" culture.

[Anonymous No.10879520]

>>10879477
because ignorance will kill or hurt you

[Anonymous No.10879531]

The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[Anonymous No.10879538]

>>10879531
He is a murderer

[Anonymous No.10879596]

>>10879531
Instant knowledge in my pocket is godly, fuck off kaczynski

[Anonymous No.10879634]

>>10879520
the only protection science offers is your utility to the elite
*tips*

[Anonymous No.10879734]

Science make smartphone. Smartphone fun. Science good.

[Anonymous No.10879760]

>>10879596
Is it?

[Anonymous No.10879796]

>>10879477
jewish will
pop science will invade real science and censor the parts of science they don't want the goyim to know

[Anonymous No.10879806]

Is this manga as bad as it sounds?

[Anonymous No.10879811]

>>10879806
It’s actually good. Give it a chance

[Anonymous No.10879817]

>>10879634
>t. retard

[Anonymous No.10879940]

>>10879477
Because it would be an awesome paradigm shift if the general population was genuinely scientifically literate and mathematically competent.

[Anonymous No.10879961]

>>10879477
it's good because most people still don't have the chops for it, and think it's probably more fun than it actually is. so in the end we get more public support which makes it easier to find funding and to make shit happen to no detriment of our fields.

[Anonymous No.10879971]

>>10879477
>>10879940
No, it won't be awesome. Because popsci is not actual scientific training. THEY want to bring the general population to the peak of the Dunning-Kruger effect to create even more naive and manipulable people.

A good example of the harm of popsci is with the debate on climate change. Actual scientists know that climate change is a science and engineering problem. It will be solved by a team of scientists and engineers discovering a source of energy efficient enough to displace oil in energy markets. But if you don't know any science, you immediately think that climate change is actually a government problem. "Give us more money goyim" sounds like a great plan if you are at the peak of Dunning-Kruger.

[Anonymous No.10880099]

>>10879971
You're a delusional copernicanif you think climate change will be solved throught innovation.

We need to stop coping western lifestyle is just not sustainable , as for some breakthrought that will help energy usage and efficiency or in any other field it will worsen the problem because of the rebound effect.

[Anonymous No.10880115]

>>10879971
Oh yeah something else, every heard of the carbon bubble ?

In 20-30 years or so we will have to make a choice either let our financial system completely crash or continue to burn every drop of oil and piece of coal and thus start feedback loops that are out of our control and it will we be impossible to know what is going to happen to the earth system apart from the fact that climate will be way less stable.

[Anonymous No.10880121]

>>10880099
>You're a delusional copernicanif you think climate change will be solved throught innovation.

Found the popsci retard. Climate change is already being solved by innovation. Your IQ is just too low to comprehend.

>We need to stop coping western lifestyle is just not sustainable

Well, you can suck my fucking dick. Western lifestyle is all I want. Feel free to go live in the woods for all I care. But I would rather die fighting than give up. Seriously, this is the 21st century. What hope does a math nerd like me have if not in a high tech industrial society? I will fight to the fucking death, and I will hang socialists on the streets.

>>10880115
I have heard of not being a fucking pussy. Anyways, you should look at what big oil companies and families are doing. It is precisely big oil families that are investing the most in alternative energy. Koch specially. They can see the writing on the wall. They are literally hedging against the carbon bubble but brainlets can't comprehend how finance works.

[Anonymous No.10880122]

> Why do so many people suddenly love science?
Media promotes it
>Is it good thing to bring pop science to the masses?
Yes, because people are moving away from religion, but we still need someway to program dogma and ideology into them.

[Anonymous No.10880127]

>>10880121
I love your arguments man, also why are you call me names ?
Did i insult you even once in my paragraph ?

[Anonymous No.10880132]

>>10880127
You are weak. You need to be told that. If you were rational, you would know it would be better to go extinct than to give up our lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.10880141]

>>10880121
I love your arguments man, also why are you call me names ?
Did i insult you even once in my paragraph ?

> But I would rather die fighting than give up. Seriously, this is the 21st century. What hope does a math nerd like me have if not in a high tech industrial society?

Sadly it's just reality we will never see the cyberpunk world in our lifetime that they sold us in sci books and movies. But you can see the good sides, even thought we developped technology as mean to free us today it's mostly a way of alienation.

[Anonymous No.10880145]

>>10880141
You can always gather with like 8 of your friends and go live in the woods. There are still isolated societies living in the way you want to live. Just go do it, but please stop poisoning our societies with your useless votes. Epstein just got killed, you can probably sneak into orgy island and live there.

[Anonymous No.10880149]

>>10880132
How ?
Every animal on earth regulate itself so it consumes enough to not bite the hand that feeds him, how can you pretend to be pragmatic and rational when you rely on an economic model that promotes infinite growth ( so destruction of natural habitats , deforestation etc) in a small fragile planet that's an oasis of life in the middle of the fucking void.

[Anonymous No.10880159]

>>10880149
>Every animal on earth regulate itself so it consumes enough to not bite the hand that feeds him

They don't regulate themselves. They are literally too weak (like you) to trascend their shitty lifestyles.

>how can you pretend to be pragmatic and rational when you rely on an economic model that promotes infinite growth ( so destruction of natural habitats , deforestation etc) in a small fragile planet that's an oasis of life in the middle of the fucking void

Because we have the right to enjoy the fruit of your intelligence. If the cost is destroying the universe, so be it. Meanwhile I am having fun. And I still believe climate change will be solved in about a decade. But assuming I am wrong, what will happen? Humanity will go extinct. Is that really bad? Not really? It's neutral. I don't cry when stars go supernova.

[Anonymous No.10880167]

>>10880159
How is it neutral? And why are you acting like some edgy apathic isekai character ?

It's 7 billion individuals whose life are at stakes, people that have families,friends,dreams and hobbies.

[Anonymous No.10880168]

>>10879531
Cringe tsukasa poster. Literal ooga booga tier dark ages noble savage crap

[Anonymous No.10880172]

>>10880167
>How is it neutral?
Unless you are a religious nut, life has no value. We had a good run, but nothing lasts forever. And it's not even like society is moving in a particularly interesting direction.

>why are you acting like some edgy apathic isekai character

Stop watching so much (bad) anime.

>>10880167
>It's 7 billion individuals whose life are at stakes, people that have families,friends,dreams and hobbies

No it's not. They will all die anyways. I will die anyways. It doesn't actually matter how. Every week I work hard, every weekend I dine steak and fuck whores in the ass. That's good enough for me. I wouldn't have it any other way. Again, if the cost is the destruction of the universe, so be it.

[Anonymous No.10880581]

>>10879817
>t. shill tranny
Science doesn't solve societal, more interpersonal problems. I don't hate it, but it's simply not the big solution

[Anonymous No.10880593]

>>10879817
>t. shill tranny
Science doesn't solve societal, more interpersonal problems. I don't hate it, but it's simply not the totalizing solution. >>10879971 puts it correctly.

[Anonymous No.10880609]

>>10879817
Science doesn't solve societal, more interpersonal problems. I don't hate it, but it's simply not the totalizing solution. >>10879971 puts it correctly. There is a cat and mouse game of language and information

[Anonymous No.10880646]

>>10879961
Don't get your hopes up too much. The political/business elite still stands between the public and scientists when it comes to funding.

[Anonymous No.10880657]

>>10879971
>It will be solved by a team of scientists and engineers discovering a source of energy
Ya, a team of scientists and engineers discovering a new source of energy will solve the problem that was created when a team of scientists and engineers discovered a new source of energy...

sure... ok... lol

[Anonymous No.10880663]

>>10879477
It's yet another form of mass virtue signaling

[Anonymous No.10881525]

>>10880168
120 IQ midwit detected

[Anonymous No.10881533]

>>10880657
Hey, what are the odds of we finding something even worse than oil? And I'm just playing here, we already have stuff like nuclear. Thorium reactors would be great, but those same environmentalists that REEE about climate change also REEEE about nuclear because they are absolute brainlets/paid opposition.

But well, plenty of renewable energy companies are getting funded out the ass so even if brainlet IFUCKINGLOVESCIENCE environmentalists keep cucking us, we'll eventually have something good enough to replace oil anyways.

[Anonymous No.10881538]

>>10881525
asshole detected

[Anonymous No.10881542]

It does not matter if none of them can actually do science together.Take for example anon in this thread. Incompetent, bickering like old world women.

[Anonymous No.10881548]

>>10881533
> odds of we finding something even worse than oil
youre a fucking idiot. people have been burning carbon for hundreds of thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.10881549]

>>10881525
>IQ
brainlet detected

[Anonymous No.10881555]

>>10879477
The masses dont actually like science, just (some of) the results.

[Anonymous No.10881566]

>>10881533
have another beer, you bloated fucking moron

[Anonymous No.10881574]

>>10881533
seriously impressive level of absolute stupidity with this post.

I doubt science could cultivate a more perfect moron without years alcohol abuse, repetitive labor, and extremely fertile soil due to generations of inbreeding.

[Anonymous No.10881579]

>>10879477
I think it's ultimately a net negative. People develop an attachment to whatever is presented as mainstream, and can be manipulated accordingly.

For example:
>>10879596
Likely will never accept that the networked multitool in his pocket is sterilizing him, brain damaging him, and accelerating ecological collapse with its tower infrastructure. Because he's ignorant and shortsighted, he will never demand these technologies be made to function without these drawbacks, and will instead convince himself that it's all okay and take what he's given. If it never shows up ont he news or popsci.com or whatever, he'll never question "science" further than how it's presented.

It's very dangerous. What we have now is more religion and narrative than hard science.

[Anonymous No.10881665]

>>10881579
>the networked multitool in his pocket is sterilizing him, brain damaging him
Speak for yourself, degenerate. The use of power depends on who wields it. If all you do with your internet connected pocket computer is watch porn and make dumbass posts on 4chan then that's your problem, don't put me in your abysmal world. If you cavemen destroy all technology, people who used tech to educate themselves will just build it back up for the purpose of extending their own freedom and power. Go rot in the woods, ape

[Anonymous No.10881667]

>>10881555
extension: the masses not only feel no love for science they actively hinder and repress its fundamental truths because they are deleterious to the overall fitness of the species and would in time lead to our voluntary extinction

[Anonymous No.10881677]

>>10879477
>>10879531
>>10880168
Imagine not thinking for yourself and letting the status quo subsume you to the extent that you can't understand another's perspective. He is basically the antiboomer and I think it relates to Japan's present state of affairs, with its ageing population.

'He's a murderer!' You think anyone's actions don't indirectly kill others? Think of inventions, of the advent of civilisation itself. Built on colonising and subverting natural cultures to make them destablised and selfhating, easy pickings for the 'civilised' empire. In any case, change can only be wrought from struggle and sacrifice. Clearly killing pains Tsukasa, as it does any healthy man, not spurred by domineering mental superstructures like nationalism, communism, 'i fucking love science'.

Tsukasa:
Senku, do you intend to bring everyone back, including the grownups whose hearts are tainted? Sure they'll be grateful to you at first. But as soon as civilisation returns, the rich and powerful seniors will say, 'That used to be my land!', 'Pay your rent!', 'Pay your taxes!'. They'll rob the poor youth of our future again. We must not bring that world back. This is a stone world. An untainted paradise. We'll revive only the purehearted youth and live in a natural world owned by no one. It's a chance to purify humanity.

Senku:
I'm a technology-loving boy who gets excited over mechs and space and Doraemon and stuff like that. I'm going to use the power of science to rescue every single person.

[Anonymous No.10881680]

>>10881677
cont.
Senku is essentially saying he is broken and cares only for consumerism and materialistic worship. Imagine countering the thoughtful spiel above with 'well i have this vague notion implanted in me by the global economic order that i like space n toys n anime n shit, so you must be wrong'. Literally braindead. We MUST return to the status quo and I'm going to shut my brain off and not think about what that means. Senku will bring the old world back and moreorless murder millions to come, raping the Earth in the process, for absolutely nothing, it's meaningless coincidental causalities in the march of progress, unlike Tsukasa's culling wherein every death is purposeful and done with a clear mind but heavy heart. It's very different to dumb ideological spurring. Tsukasa is pretty much a perfect individual who understands how things are. Senku is a child fiddling with matter and understands nothing.

[Anonymous No.10881689]

>>10881665
I remember nearly everything I see and hear, anything I need is stored in my actual brain. Not the brain I would carry in my pocket. It was the same with augmented reality, I learned how to split my mind into pieces as needed and distort my senses long ago, why would I need or want something doing it for me (at a major cost as well, if you're dumb enough to think your retina likes coherent light projected onto it)? If I needed anything else I'd just get a cheap ARM board with a hard shutoff switch for wifi etc, no RFID, etc.

You're not superior, nor progressive. You're a dependent, dumbed down degenerate. Give a dumb animal toys and it'll play with them, it seems. No matter the cost.

[Anonymous No.10881690]

>>10881680
Senku's simple answer stems from the straightforwardness of his will. He doesn't need an elaborate explaination to defeat a murderous ideologue, he will save humanity and imbue knowledge into humanity because that's what he wants to do

[Anonymous No.10881697]

>>10881677
>>10881680
based and thoughtfulpilled

[Anonymous No.10881709]

>>10881689
>I remember nearly everything I see and hear, anything I need is stored in my actual brain. Not the brain I would carry in my pocket
How do you gain knowledge Mr. God? Do you read books? The internet is the world's largest library

[Anonymous No.10881713]

>>10881709
...and a smartphone is that library in your pocket

[Anonymous No.10881716]

>>10881709
>The internet is the world's largest library
Which doesn't require a cell phone or microwave radiation in general for. I think we even have fiber alone connecting all the continents now, though satellite uplinks are still probably most efficient for tier 1 stuff.

[Anonymous No.10881718]

>>10881713
Again, the "phone" part is not necessary. It's like saying you need to get kicked in the balls to go in the library.

Ah, whatever. Accept harmful garbage, don't demand anything better. Have fun with your short bout of pretend time.

[Anonymous No.10881721]

>>10881716
So your issue is the weaknesses of current technology. That means that you support technological advancement

[Anonymous No.10881731]

>>10881721
"Advancement" is relative. In my case technology advancing requires it to remain safe, ie it shouldn't give you brain damage, sterilize you, or cause ecological collapse. I mean, is it really so much to ask?

As far as I'm concerned, none of this should have even happened. At the point when we had the highest concentration of competent personnel working on this, we cut all funding. Instead, massive R&D should have commended such that we could identify types of exposures and signal characteristics that biological system didn't respond to. It's a good possibility however, that this isn't possible. Meaning the whole concept has to be scrapped.

Technologies like LiFi are getting there, but they damage your eyes adn there's a degree of meaningful transduction that goes on by the eye and skin surface. Refer to cryptochromes for example. Unfortunately, the reality is the current cellular telephone approach was probably dual purpose from the start. Which is why something so braindead retarded was even built. I'm working on that angle a bit.

[Anonymous No.10881736]

>>10881731
Ok that's fair, thanks for the informative post, I'll read more on smartphone health risks

[Anonymous No.10881742]

>>10881736
Here's something I've been (slowly) putting together, for a bit of a headstart.

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/5id4om83kk12n/Books
Or
https://mega.nz/#F!lPQDlCBZ!DaDP5Poq_Ti6nhga4frJig

I've been at this for around 6 years, which is probably a fairly short time compared to some other people. Nonetheless I started pretty much from scratch and know how much there is to wade through. Hope it helps.

[Anonymous No.10881745]

>>10881742
Thank you much

[Anonymous No.10881749]

>>10881742
Also, I don't think I've added this preface to the text file.

At the most basic the intracellular (cytoplasm) and extracellular environments are separated by a phospholipid bilayer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_mosaic_model#/media/File:Cell_membrane_detailed_diagram_en.svg

The cellular environment where these phenomena take place, from Adey 1993 - Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Fields:
"In cellular aggregates that form tissues of higher animals, cells are separated by narrow fluid channels that take on special importance in signaling from cell to cell. These channels act as windows on the electrochemical world surrounding each cell. Hormones, antibodies, neurotransmitters and chemical cancer promoters, for example, move along them to reach binding sites on cell membrane receptors. These narrow fluid "gutters," typically not more than 150 A wide, are also preferred pathways for intrinsic and environmental electromagnetic (EM) fields, since they offer a much lower electrical impedance than cell membranes. Although this intercellular space (ICS) forms only about 10 percent of the conducting cross section of typical tissue, it carries at least 90 percent of any imposed or intrinsic current, directing it along cell membrane surfaces.

Numerous stranded protein molecules protrude from within the cell into this narrow ICS. Their glycoprotein tips form the glycocalyx, which senses chemical and electrical signals in surrounding fluid. Their highly negatively charged tips form receptor sites for hormones, antibodies, neurotransmitters, and for many metabolic agents, including cancer promoters. These charged terminals form an anatomical substrate for the first detection of weak electrochemical oscillations in pericellular fluid, including field potentials arising in activity of adjacent cells or as tissue components of environmental fields."
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5306/e5b2a202f3aaa815ff553d5d28c5606a746f.pdf

[Anonymous No.10881759]

ok, with all that in mind, how am I, the man on the street, supposed to change my life to avoid devastation, is it even possible?

[Anonymous No.10881771]

>>10881759
Mobilize others to change where you are, or get away from others as much as possible. Pretty much like anything else, change self or change environment.

This can't go on, ultimately. I don't know what the solution is. I'll be making flyers soon and it'll be uploaded in that link. Most of my progress on literally anything in my life seems to have halted entirely lately, but eventually I'll get the damn thing done. It's hard to be concise and make people actually take heed, ideally from a single sheet with a link to more info.

[Anonymous No.10881790]

>>10881677
>>10881680
Both Senku and Tsukasa are egoists pursuing their respective ideology for their own self-serving purposes. Senku is a weakling who would have a hard time surviving without civilization (he has Taiju help him out with everything); Tsukasa is a boxer who would have the upper hand in a stone-age world with no technology, so he wants to be king of the stone world by preventing Senku's revival of science.

It's not rocket science: both Senku and Tsukasa are doing what is in their best interest. All the talk about "right" and "wrong" is empty rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.10881802]

>>10880172
>Every week I work hard, every weekend I dine steak and fuck whores in the ass. That's good enough for me. I wouldn't have it any other way. Again, if the cost is the destruction of the universe, so be it.
Based nihilist poster.

[Anonymous No.10881807]

all are just conspiracies to make STEM low wage jobs.
after they automated all the labour jobs, they want to screw more "prestige" jobs as well.
enjoy being wage slave forever anons. fuck the government.

[Anonymous No.10881826]

>>10881807
Not like the average redditor can actually learn math and physics, no matter to how much popsci propaganda he is exposed.

[Anonymous No.10881831]

>>10879477
Social media algorithms try to radicalize everyone. So everyone who likes to read up on trivia every now and then ends up in lectures about quantum physics at some point.

[Anonymous No.10881888]

>>10881680
>>10881677
Very thoughtful of you. When you put it that way I don't really have an argument against it.

[Anonymous No.10882865]

>>10879477
>Is it good thing to bring pop science to the masses?
Yes, it's the only way to fight nigger culture

[Anonymous No.10884191]

>>10882865
Why do you talk like them then.

[Anonymous No.10884192]

>>10881826
Kek

[Anonymous No.10884196]

>>10884191
ayooo whitey boi such muh dick

[Anonymous No.10884226]

>>10884196
That’s exactly how /pol/ talks

[Anonymous No.10884276]

>>10879596
You are already lost, anon. Sad to see.

[Anonymous No.10884277]

>>10879477
People don't suddenly love science, people want to seem quirky by spouting out random bullshit about unrelated topics.

[Anonymous No.10885956]

>>10879477
People don't love actual science they love the concept of what science can do for them in a self serving manner, all while putting in little to no work. Most "wuv da science" people probably can't even balance an equation, let alone even do basic algebra. They just like the idea of having more comforts to make their mediocre life of ease, that much easier and mediocre.

[Anonymous No.10886331]

>>10881689
ah yes, I too use my hyperintelligence to waste time posting on /sci/ to try and look cool to people i will never see or meet

[Anonymous No.10886361]

>>10886331
he is cool and based

you though? kek

[Anonymous No.10886369]

>>10886361
i know i'm jealous if he's not lying

[Anonymous No.10886403]

>>10880159
Thankfully we'll tear it down and you can't stop us and you'll be forced to live a lower economic lifestyle or kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.10887417]

>>10886403
Lmao

[Anonymous No.10887446]

>>10886369
It is not that hard though. You just have to turn off the electronic devices and switch to analog stuff. My mind was clearer the moment I gave up on distractions and did physical books. Too bad most of the interesting old books I can only get from archive.org.

[Anonymous No.10889071]

>>10879971
>Actual scientists know that climate change is a science and engineering problem. It will be solved by a team of scientists and engineers discovering a source of energy efficient enough to displace oil in energy markets
>energy efficient enough to displace oil in energy markets
haha
ha
hHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
>HE ACTUALLY THINKS HE CAN STOP RICH PEOPLE FROM DESTROYING THE WORLD
L M A O

[Anonymous No.10889088]

>>10879477
Because it's a new religion that gives them a feeling of community through shared beliefs and values

[Anonymous No.10889346]

>>10879760
Somewhat. Especially if correct and useful information.

[Anonymous No.10889350]

>>10879796

[Anonymous No.10889474]

>>10879477
is the new mass Trend i guess, like climate change trend, no one cared about climate change 10-15 years ago, but now people act like the World is going to end in 10 years .

[Anonymous No.10889568]

>>10881677
Both of their approaches make perfect sense and both of them acknowledge this fact. Tsukasa's approach is much simpler: He knows that bringing everyone back and rebuilding society will inevitably bring the old society's problems and he doesn't want that. He, being who he is, is much more comfortable in a stone world in which the strong rule because he is the strongest so he can keep everything in check. Senku's approach is way more tedious: He wants to bring everyone back and rebuild society as it was before the disaster. Unlike Tsukasa, he's willing to deal with the problems this task would cause. This being a shounen manga, of course the author will promote "the hard way" over "the easy way".

[Anonymous No.10889586]

Noone cares bout science.
Normies think "science" is a way to justify their views without the need to defend it. Being pro-science means being right, any opponents are just illiterate rubes.
Barely anyone understands that scientific methods have changed a lot since 19th century. All they know are some maximas that help them argue. Everyone knows that Popper thing, but noone knows whats the difference between verification and falsification.
Scuentific fact always represents absolute, immutable truth to them.
So many ppl like to talk bout shit like dark energy, matter etc, when all this could be just artefacts of the theory. Like, you know, ether. Does ether exist? A normie would say that no, it was proven wrong. A scientist would say: well, if I can use etherodynamics to solve this problem, I can assume it does.
It's like that "Can pi be expreseed as a fraction?" comic. Science is only a tool you twist and pull until it fits your purpose, but few ppl know that