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Show me where the number 1 is in this image and I will concede.

 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 02:57:11 2020 No.11547114 >>11547111The black part of the Image is 1.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 02:57:12 2020 No.11547115 >>11547111when will this meme end
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 03:19:34 2020 No.11547139 >>11547115never, because it shows that there is a big problem within math. You can't just go on to say something less than 1 is 1
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 03:42:04 2020 No.11547166 >>11547111turn your head sideways
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 03:44:30 2020 No.11547170 >>11547111It's in your trips OP.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 03:52:47 2020 No.11547183 >>11547139It's not less than 1 though.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 03:57:03 2020 No.11547193 >>11547139>>11547166both are correct.. he put the one sideways at the end far right to look infinite and its still one of something but not as large of ones matter of another
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 04:01:55 2020 No.11547200 >>11547139For all practical purposes 0.99999....... = 1
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 04:08:34 2020 No.11547215 >>11547200...and theoretical ones too
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 04:16:23 2020 No.11547227 File: 44 KB, 500x294, 1461613435984.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 04:22:03 2020 No.11547235 >>11547215How have mathematicians IRL tackled this question?
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 04:23:13 2020 No.11547239 Praise God! For there are those who follow the one true faith of a finite Universe! Blessed be the those of pure heart who say 0.999...=\= 1. All those who deny this fundamental truth are sinners and will justly receive GOD's punishment. After first being put to the sword.DEUS VULT!
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 04:28:10 2020 No.11547247
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 04:31:15 2020 No.11547250 >>11547111>The number 1 has only one formI guess 3/3 isn't one
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 04:37:48 2020 No.11547260 File: 144 KB, 1032x1502, zeropointninerepeating.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 04:44:06 2020 No.11547272 0.999... + 0.000...1 = 10.999... + 0 = 1it's like quantum superpositions but in maths. crazy!
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 05:49:44 2020 No.11547352 File: 31 KB, 590x273, zeropointnine.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 05:53:17 2020 No.11547356 >>115471111 * 0 = 2 * 0
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 05:55:47 2020 No.11547359 I think we should put all people who dont understand what limits are in the camps
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 06:12:48 2020 No.11547384 >>11547111"0.999999..." isn't even a real quantity. You will never find 0.99999... of something in the wild. It's like arguing about infinity.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 06:15:41 2020 No.11547389 I can see exactly 0.999.... of a retarded post here >>11547384
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 06:21:13 2020 No.11547400 >>115471110.333..... * 3 = 0.9999... = 1
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 07:14:27 2020 No.11547450 >>11547111$\boxed{0 < p < 1} \\1 = p + (1-p) ~~~~~~ \overset{1}{ \overbrace{[=====p=====|==(1-p)==]}} \\ \text{divide p using x} ~~~~~~ \overset{1}{ \overbrace{ \underset{p}{[ \underbrace{=====x=====|==(p-x)==}]} ~~ + ~~ (1-p)}} \\\\\text{solve x and (p-x), when length ratios must be the same} \\\dfrac{x}{p-x}= \dfrac{p}{1-p} \Rightarrow x- xp = p^2 - xp \Rightarrow \underline{x=p^2} \Rightarrow \underline{(p-x)=p(1-p)} \\\overset{1}{ \overbrace{ \underset{p}{[ \underbrace{=====p^2=====|==p(1-p)==}]} ~~ + ~~ (1-p)}} \\\\\overset{1}{ \overbrace{ \underset{p^2}{[ \underbrace{=====p^3=====|==p^2(1-p)==}]} ~~+ p(1-p)+(1-p)}} \\\overset{1}{ \overbrace{ \underset{p^3}{[ \underbrace{=====p^4=====|==p^3(1-p)==}]} ~~+ p^2(1-p)+p(1-p)+(1-p)}} \\(1-p)+p(1-p)+p^2(1-p)+p^3(1-p)+ \cdots =1 ~~~~ \left | ~ \times \frac{1}{1-p} \right . \\1+p+p^2+p^3+ \cdots = \dfrac{1}{1-p}$
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 07:36:16 2020 No.11547473 >>11547272maths should be combined with quantum mechanicssimilarly 0.333... has a 1/3 chance of being 0.333...4 that's why 3*0.333...=1
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 07:41:07 2020 No.11547482 >>11547111Two proofs 0.999... = 1Via Cauchy sequences:0.999... = (0.9, 0.99, 0.999,...) = lim as n-> inf of 1-1/10^n = 1Via Dedekind cuts:Assume to contradiction that x is a rational number such that0.999... < x < 10.999... is greater than any finite string of 9s so for any natural number n1-1/10^n < 0.999... < x < 11-x < 1/10^n10^n < 1/(1-x)n < log(1/(1-x))Let n = ceiling(log(1/(1-x)))+1ceiling(log(1/(1-x)))+1 < log(1/(1-x))This is a contradiction, so x does not exist and 0.999... = 1.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 07:56:10 2020 No.11547502 >>11547139>there is a big problem within mathThe problem is with you, because you don’t understand foundations.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 08:58:57 2020 No.11547671 >>11547111you are correct, there is NEVER any 1
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 09:03:24 2020 No.11547692 >>11547450nice mumbo jumbotry and explain your schizo writings please
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 09:31:32 2020 No.11547752   >>11547692spoon feeding time? okwhich line is too hard?
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 09:33:46 2020 No.11547754 >>11547692spoon feeding time? okwhich line is too hard?i'll get you going: line #1: p is between zero and one
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 09:35:01 2020 No.11547759 >>11547200found the engineer
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 09:53:31 2020 No.11547790 >>11547272KEK>>11547473ABSIKYTEKY FUCKING BASED NAD QUANTUMPILLED!!!
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:28:43 2020 No.11548254 >>11547692how about line #2?did you manage it?
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:36:23 2020 No.11548284 Anyone who answer the 0.9999 =/= 1 fag seriously, try not to.If you answer with logic he will refuse to understand.Just let it go. Some people are bound to be stupid forever. It's okay to let people be wrong.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:38:12 2020 No.11548290 0.9999... can never exist because infinity is not something that you can write down. But if you did somehow find, while wandering in the wilderness, 0.9999.... lying on the ground. It would equal 1. You are not adding 9s and failing to get to 1. There are infinitely many 9s already and therefore it is 1.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:39:57 2020 No.11548297 >>11548284Notice how they always refuse to answer the 0.3333... * 3 solution, it's because they don't care about being right.They're just trolls and other anons got b8.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:44:18 2020 No.11548319 >>11547692I have no background in Math and I got it just fine. You may simply be stupid.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:46:41 2020 No.11548327 Reminder that if anyone answers with>Schizo>Cope>Seethe>Emoji>Pepe>WojakThey shouldn't be taken seriously.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:48:27 2020 No.11548338 >>11548290>infinity is not something that you can write down"infinity"booyah
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:48:46 2020 No.11548339 File: 108 KB, 378x357, 1582409911609.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report] 0.999...=1
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:52:48 2020 No.11548353 >>11547111Alright I will end this once and for all.OP, let's assume that 0.9999... != 1if that's the case, then 0.9999... should certainly be lesser than 1, do you agree?But forall real numbers a and b if a is lesser than b then there exists a real number c between them (you can easily prove that by taking c to be (a + b) / 2)so if we assume that 0.9999 != 1 then there should be a real number c between them and since it is a real number it should have some decimal expansion since all real numbers have some decimal expansion, do you agree, OP?What would that decimal expansion be?Now tell me, OP.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 13:01:44 2020 No.11548391 >>11548353>>11548353alright I will finish my thoughtif this number starts with 1 or something greater than 1 then it will automatically will be greater than 1 because after the comma will follow some other digits and unless they are all 0 it will be strictly greater than 1 (and they cannot be all equal to 0 because then that number c would be equal to 1)for the same reason it cannot start with -1 or lesser than -1 - it would be lesser than 0,99999...so it starts with 0,...next digit should be any from {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} if it is any of the {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8} this number will be automatically lesser than 0,9999999 so the second digit should necessarily be 9.But the same goes for the third digit or the fourth etcSo this number c is equal to 0,9999999.....A contradiction.Therefore, 0,99999.... = 1.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 19:07:13 2020 No.11549446 File: 21 KB, 200x590, 1586415279662.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report] >>11547111op is a fag
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 19:13:46 2020 No.11549461 >>11547111Imagine all of those digits being flattened by a hydraulic press.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 20:21:44 2020 No.11549645 >>11547272but 0.000...1 = 0
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 20:29:00 2020 No.11549660 >>11549645hahahahaha
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 20:31:01 2020 No.11549668 File: 37 KB, 398x376, 1583764045316.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report] >>11549645looooool good joke anonI'm just imaging the retard that actually thinks that's true LOL!!
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 20:59:13 2020 No.11549768 the three dots are just a limit of decimal status..Decimal system is a gay.1/3 = 0.33... It doesn't mean 0.33 forever it just means 1/3 in decimal.it's decimal on steroids. it needs 3 extra decimals to represent the same thing as 1/30.33... * 3 = 0.99...see, those three dots are just syntax. it doesn't mean repeating.Only faggots say it does, because it might as well but every body knows faggots aren't nuanced.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 21:02:40 2020 No.11549779 1.0... is the same thing as zero. 1.0 actually has infinite zeros.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 21:15:35 2020 No.11549813 >>11549768the ellipsis doesn't mean limit, retard.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 21:21:56 2020 No.11549837 >>11549768>It doesn't mean 0.33 forever it just means 1/3 in decimal.this guy actually gets it
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 21:39:42 2020 No.11549892 >>11547272whatare you an actual retard0.999... + 0.000...1 = 1.000...1 (also 0.999... = 1)0.999... + 0 = 0.999... = 1
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 21:43:23 2020 No.11549901 >>115496681^-inf=0
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 22:10:11 2020 No.11549950 >>11547111hold the picture sideways and squint
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 22:14:12 2020 No.11549955 >>11548353>But forall real numbers.9... is hyperreal, not real. Fuck off, you absolute fucktarded moron.
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 22:15:22 2020 No.11549958 >>11549892What?Are you an actual retard?0.999... =/= 11/3 = 0.333...(1/3)Except in base 10 we approximate 1/3 and round off that tiny 1/3 at the end.Multiply 0.333... x 3 and you're left with 0.999... and have 3 tiny 3rds you've rounded off at this point. There is a finite difference
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 22:16:13 2020 No.11549961 >>11549958>There is a finite differenceInfinitesimal, not finite
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 22:25:36 2020 No.11549986 >>11548254noexplain
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 22:30:37 2020 No.11549993 >>11547450What the fuck is the notation on the second line on the right?
 >> Anonymous Thu Apr 9 22:53:56 2020 No.11550033 >>11549986>>11549993a log, length=1, cut into two piecesleft side is p, right ride is 1-p (duh)
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 03:08:21 2020 No.11550497 File: 97 KB, 1654x2339, proof.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 03:09:55 2020 No.11550502 >>11547111>1 + 1Show me where the number 2 is in this expression and I will concede.
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 12:54:06 2020 No.11551577 >>11547111It depends on what you think that collection of symbols means, because mathematics is NOT about parsing symbols. Most people would understand it to mean a real number-valued limit. In that case you can evaluate the limit and it's equal to one.There are other sets of numbers that allow you to express something that is infinitesimally smaller than 1, such as a hyperreal field, but they don't use the notation you've used here.The notation that you're using means something to most people and the mathematical object that it signifies is equal to one. It's still possible to consistently use infinitesimals and in particular you can subtract an infinitesimal from one and get a number that isn't one, but it's difficult to square your notation with that.
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 17:30:26 2020 No.11552371 File: 192 KB, 1280x902, proof0.999is1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report] you show me a counterexample to the pic related.
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 17:40:05 2020 No.11552392 >>115471115/5Show me where the number 1 is in the fraction above, and I'll concede.That's how stupid and ignorant you sound to people who actually know mathematics.
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 17:41:41 2020 No.11552396 >>11547114Based and math-pilled.
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 17:43:17 2020 No.11552402 >>11547235It's just a geometric series that, when you use the relevant formulas, converge to 1. It's only a "problem" for mathematically illiterate people on 4chan.
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 17:56:26 2020 No.11552424 >>11547111there is 1 zero
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:45:09 2020 No.11552572 >>115523925/5 is an unfinished equation.That's how fundamentally stupid you are. You dont even grasp the concept of a fraction. Fucking retard.
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:58:57 2020 No.11552606
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:59:13 2020 No.11552607 >>115525725/5 is not an equation at all. Do you see an equals sign anywhere in it?
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:01:20 2020 No.11552616 >>11552424OP BTFO LOL
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:27:15 2020 No.11552690 >>115523925/5 is a ratio.It can be whatever number depending on the base.Dumb nigger.
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:30:49 2020 No.11552701 >>11550502We clearly see a certain number of units 1 added together. We express is with the number 2, because there are 2 units.I see an Infinite number of units in OP, and nothing can be broken down to infinity so it does not measure a countable unit, so It is not what we would call a "number", which serves to count the number of units.>>11551577
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:32:30 2020 No.11552704 >>11552607Your ignorance and incompetence is so astounding its actually worthy of study. Please answer the following questions.1) How long is your tail?2) Who is the monkey you see in the mirror?3) Knuckles are for dragging. True or false?
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:40:33 2020 No.11552716 Tell me a number between 0.999... and 1, and I'll concede.
 >> Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:52:23 2020 No.11552743 >>11552716>Tell me a number between ¶ and 6 and I'll concede
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 01:45:45 2020 No.11553558   >>11547111Show me a number between 0.999... and 1 and I will concede.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:00:49 2020 No.11553583 >>11549955define hyperreal numbers troglodyte
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:01:42 2020 No.11553586 >>115527434. concede now.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:08:39 2020 No.11553602 >>11549955holy shit you are wrong and retardedthere are only two hyperreal numbers (infinity and and infitesimal number very close to 0) 0.9... is NOT one of them. Now please just kys
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:11:06 2020 No.11553609 >>11547111 Now the science has been settled, what should we call the Church which defends Maths without recurring decimals? The Church of the One True Maths?Furthermore, should we even acknowledge the existence of the Heretics who still cling to the idea that 0.999...= 1? Perhaps it would just be best to ignore them for the trolls they are.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:53:53 2020 No.11553793 File: 835 KB, 1280x729, Screenshot (2109)28.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report] 0.999... will never =1 you fucking spergslmao
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:05:13 2020 No.11553812 >>11553793Anime image means your points are discarded instantly.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:08:05 2020 No.11553817 >>11553812still doesn't change the fact that 0.999...=/=1
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:14:29 2020 No.11553830 >>11553793>0.999... will never =1It's literally true by definition.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:19:51 2020 No.11553839 >>11553817No it does, anyone who uses anime has an IQ below of the room temperature in Celsius degrees. Degenerates like you can have their opinions instantly discarded.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:23:24 2020 No.11553845 File: 19 KB, 312x312, 8308A981-E0B0-4F1A-B7AF-14223197C729.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:24:01 2020 No.11553847 As already explained, there are no unwhole numbers on a Total Number Line.Therefore 0.999... is not a valid number.It's almost as if you don't understand the difference between Irrational Numbers and Rational Numbers.ARE you familiar with Irrational Numbers?
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 09:22:52 2020 No.11554257 >>11547139so lets talk about the "big problem' instead
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 09:24:31 2020 No.11554263 >>11553847>Therefore 0.999... is not a valid number.0.999... is a different symbol for 1, by definition.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 09:26:48 2020 No.11554273 >>11547359the problem is not about a lack of understanding of limits, but the fact that a sequence and its limit are different things. boundaries are not interiors.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 09:28:55 2020 No.11554278 >>11554263>By definitionI define "_&-€ as being equal to my balls. Theoretically they can impregnate a woman and be scratched therefore "_&-€ = my balls.K.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 09:39:53 2020 No.11554301 File: 11 KB, 190x266, darkies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report] >>11549645both 0.999999..and 0.000000..are Dark Numbers!
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 09:41:54 2020 No.11554304 >>115471111/3 of 12 is 4... 4x3 = 12. Making 3/3 = 1.It's the language of math that we use which is wrong, but that is why there are 60 seconds in a minute and not 100.
 >> Anonymous Sat Apr 11 09:42:36 2020 No.11554306 >>11554278>my ballsok, so an infinitesimal
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