ITER STARTS ASSEMBLY!

[Anonymous No.11945555]

IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING!:
https://youtu.be/2-7GyVLKE6A

[Anonymous No.11945621]

Finally some good news

[Anonymous No.11945623]

About bloody time. One last hope in this messed up world that we can actually build something that is the actual future as we envisioned it in countless movies and books for decades now.

[Anonymous No.11945648]

>>11945555
checked,
also finally

[Anonymous No.11945651]

>>11945555
Can someone elaborate on what this is?
Also, nice digits.

[Anonymous No.11945664]

>>11945651
>Not knowing about the first proper fusion reactor assembled with multinational effort

I am really saddened that people don't know more about this. This stuff will finally take us beyond the caveman need for oil.

[Anonymous No.11945668]

>>11945664
Thanks, and sorry, I don't know anything beyond my gender studies and African drumming classes.

[Anonymous No.11945675]

>>11945623
Too bad this will never launch

[Anonymous No.11945677]

>>11945555
>Tokamak
Stellarator when?

[Anonymous No.11945679]

An outdated example of big science run amok.

MIT and Tokamak Energy will almost certainly beat this thing to Q>1.

[Anonymous No.11945685]

On Wiki, I read that high technical hurdles and unexpected physical phenomena have caused slow development of this tech. What are those technical hurdles and physical phenomena?
Please explain for a smooth brain.

[Anonymous No.11945690]

>>11945685
Plasma is a right cunt. It produces a wide array of turbulent and unpredictable phenomenons related to magnetohydrodynamics. It's a churning mass of insanely hot ionized matter that we try to squeeze and energize with magnets strong enough to pull a piece of iron through your body like a hot knife through butter,

[Anonymous No.11945693]

>>11945679
That's what I don't understand about it. Seems like a huge scam to siphon billions of dollars away from other science projects. They should prove the concept at a much smaller scale first before building a giant ass machine that takes multi decades long to build.

[Anonymous No.11945695]

>>11945690
Is plasma concrete matter?

[Anonymous No.11945700]

>>11945679
>MIT and Tokamak Energy will almost certainly
Why haven't they done that yet then?

"Big Science" is a meme answer. some projects are too big or expensive to be undertaken by one organization.

[Anonymous No.11945704]

>>11945693
Didnt they already prove, that it's possible with the Wendelstein-7x in Germany?

[Anonymous No.11945707]

I hope the Chinese components fail and the mere mention of ITER becomes a national embarrassment for the Chinese government

[Anonymous No.11945710]

>>11945693
>They should prove the concept at a much smaller scale first
This is the smallest scale they can prove it at, since they are looking at net positive energy on a scale of an actual power plant. This is on top of actual operational research, where they gather data on exploitation of a fusion reactor for extended periods of time and are able to improve and work on the model. This does not detract from other projects, but will most likely be combined with other approaches down the line for even more efficient fusion reactors.

[Anonymous No.11945713]

>>11945707
even if i i don't like chinks, let's hope that will not happen, we are talking about the future of mankind here.

[Anonymous No.11945721]

>>11945700
I never said it was easy-these are both orgs with hundreds of millions in funding and crack teams of elite plasma physicists,but it's still very challenging. But they have better magnets and accordingly only need to build machines a fraction the size of ITER to demonstrate net energy.

[Anonymous No.11945722]

>>11945707

Quality control for your Star Wars plastic =/= Quality control for their fusion reactor components

>>11945693
>>11945710

It will at the very least produce THE data which spells out how to get it right with the Stellarator or perhaps some other geometry.

[Anonymous No.11945725]

>>11945710
>This is the smallest scale they can prove it at,
abjectly false. ITER is using magnets that are 20 years out of date. HTSC magnets like REBO can do way better in much smaller machines.

[Anonymous No.11945729]

Is the Stellarator preferred over Tokamak design?

[Anonymous No.11945731]

>>11945725
>>11945707
Fucken negative cunts
If this shit works it will literally change the world forever, who cares about menial shit like chinks or what magnets they could use instead? I wish nations would pour 1000 times as much money into this tech so we can move on from fossil fuels.
Imagine this working and then being scaled down in the next decades and the possibilities instead of worrying about this /pol/ shit

[Anonymous No.11945734]

this guy from russia is sweating a lot, do you think somebody is holding a gun to his head?

[Anonymous No.11945737]

>>11945731
>this working and then being scaled down
The other big thing that needs to be worked on at the same time is a decent propulsion system to hook up the reactor to it, so we can finally get off this rock and start scouring Solar System for resources. Maybe even moving manufacturing and heavy industries off-planet.

[Anonymous No.11945740]

what a shame this wasn't the German stellarator. What a waste of time and money. When this inevitably fails it'll set fusion research back another 20 years.

[Anonymous No.11945742]

>>11945737
Magnetic sail already can get us out of the solar system, but everyone is too retarded to take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.11945747]

>>11945737

Musk's Starship is how that's gonna start

>>11945742

Maybe Starship could easily lift one up for testing

[Anonymous No.11945749]

>>11945742
>get us out of the solar system
We're not going anywhere anytime soon. Space is better off used as a space for resources and production, while making this planet more livable. Until you learn how to fold space to get to other stars in a matter of months and not centuries, we are staying in Sol.

[Anonymous No.11945752]

>>11945555
lmao @ the plebs having to wear masks near the snek

[Anonymous No.11945760]

>*star wars theme starts playing*

[Anonymous No.11945763]

>>11945742
Magnetic sail is more or less Tesla technology, i.e. ‘free’ energy. Gravity IS a force. Big energy companies prefer dumb shit like solar and wind power, because it is ineffective and a huge money waster (they like this), which is why >>11945555 will fail.

[Anonymous No.11945859]

>>11945555
how do you even convince backwards thinking illiterate politicians to fund something like this?

[Anonymous No.11945871]

>>11945859
That's why I am a monarchist.
Politicians think 5 years ahead, monarchs 50.
See how France thrived under monarchy and the empire while it is an embarrassment as a republic.

[Anonymous No.11945907]

>>11945871
France only got better with the revolution.
With democracy you can chose someone smart. With a monarchist you'll be stuck 50 years with an inbred retard.
At least if you aren't in a shithole plutocracy with electoral college and laws discouraging multi-party.

[Anonymous No.11945916]

How are they going to harness all that energy and turn it into electricity? Boiling water again?

[Anonymous No.11945943]

>>11945916
It's what you do with heat.

[Anonymous No.11945950]

>>11945916
We're experts at boiling water. Boiling water and harnessing its power is humanity's greatest feat. I love boiling water, don't you?

[Anonymous No.11945958]

>>11945943
I'm always amazed at how this is pretty much the only way we have for generating electricity from heat: heat water, make steam, turbine goes woosh

[Anonymous No.11945961]

And it will be a failure like every other attempt

[Anonymous No.11945973]

>>11945958
What else could we do?

[Anonymous No.11945979]

>>11945555
can it be used to simulate a black hole?

[Anonymous No.11945996]

>>11945958
>>11945973
The alternative is to remove the heating process and use the water Itself to move the turbines (Hydroelectric power)

[Anonymous No.11946098]

>>11945871
France missed industrialization because of the monarchy, I do agree most of the republican regimes were an embarassment but the beginning of the Vth republic was exactly what you described, they managed to achieve substantial energy independence with nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.11946125]

>>11945555
wasn’t this supposed to happen in 2009?

[Anonymous No.11946170]

>>11946125
Suppose it works. What does it mean? How much power would it output? Is building another one like it feasible?

[Anonymous No.11946414]

>>11945958
Thermodynamics is a bitch.
Aneutronic fusion generates electricity directly, but it's a lot more difficult to achieve.
(And according to how you do it it's possible you would have a lot of heat anyway)

[Anonymous No.11946439]

I'm 26
Can I expect completly free energy in my lifetime?

[Anonymous No.11946441]

Iter is obsolete and missing components for sustained generation.

[Anonymous No.11946498]

Iter will prove the concept of fusion energy as feasible, and hopefully speed up the public's interest in developing fusion energy

[Anonymous No.11946876]

I'm unironically going to MIT and have no desired major yet. Should I spend my life's work on developing their tokamak reactor?

[Anonymous No.11946936]

>>11946876
What got you into MIT?

[Anonymous No.11947087]

>>11946439
No sorry.

[Anonymous No.11947486]

>>11946936
High ass GPA and messed around with pretty much everything I saw in sight

[Anonymous No.11948247]

5 years from now fist plasma!
>to test if the magnets work
>then they shut down for another year

[Anonymous No.11948264]

>>11945668
Kek

[Anonymous No.11948275]

Hace they solved the materials problem yet? What is the energy density per cm2 again?

[Anonymous No.11948278]

>>11946439
They still haven't figured out that the only thing that changes in these projects is the size and strength of the fucking magnetic fields.

>>11945958
What else is going to spin the magic wheel of spontaneous particle emission?

>>11945973
Figure out how the fucking magnets work would be a fucking great start.

>>11945996
Both ways still spin a fucking magnet wheel

>>11945859
>how do you even convince backwards thinking illiterate politicians
Did you just answer your own question?

[Anonymous No.11948310]

>>11945555
>it will be completed in 2045

[Anonymous No.11948329]

>>11948310

It's all so tiredsome, boohoo

[Anonymous No.11948334]

Physicslet here. Why do these have to be so big?
Why can't they have room-sized proof of concepts?

Why won't the government let me power my electronics with RTGs or betavoltaics?

[Anonymous No.11948338]

>>11945675
Unless you count a launchpad explosion as a “launch”.

[Anonymous No.11948340]

>>11948334

Fusion energy is what our sun naturally makes, guess why it needs to be so big.

[Anonymous No.11948345]

>>11948334
It's a mini sun

[Anonymous No.11948445]

>>11948340
>>11948345
I know that, but it's of a scale millions of times smaller than the sun already, that's hardly logical reasoning.

[Anonymous No.11949421]

>>11945707
Chinese can build good stuff it depends on the industry and oversight. Bad stuff happens because of corner-cutting and chinks being really lazy and unprofessional without a good handler.

[Anonymous No.11949431]

>>11948334
The larger you build the easier it gets to gain net energy (Q>1). The reasons for this are things like plasma instability and square-cube law.

[Anonymous No.11949434]

Nuclear fusion power is the last hope for humanity

[Anonymous No.11949448]

>>11945555
Try last best hope for us.

[Anonymous No.11949455]

>>11945916
How else would you do it? Boiling water is just too efficient.

[Anonymous No.11949483]

>>11945958
Aside from steam turbine goes whoosh dynamos we have some options of harnessing energy into electricity: photo/beta/voltaics and thermoelectric generators and I guess Stirling engines are their own thing?
But steam goes up turbine goes whoosh has low cost and great efficiency at scale. Others can't compete on the scale of power plants.

[Anonymous No.11949494]

>>11949455
Boiling water < Using the water directly

[Anonymous No.11949576]

>>11949434
Pretty dumb statement

[Anonymous No.11949614]

any chance it'll go kaboom leaving a 5 km large hole on the ground?

[Anonymous No.11949630]

>>11945664
You do realise that even in the best cast scenario fusion wouldn't cover more than 1% of oil use cases right?

[Anonymous No.11949699]

>>11945907
>permanent political instability for a century
>millions of deaths domestically
>triggered a massive series of war with Europe with the first use of mass conscription
>triggered the unification of Germany under Prussia
>inspired commies with the mirage of equality which is the most murderous ideology ever invented
>France lost political primacy in the aftermath to the UK
>France lost demographic primacy to Russia
>"got better"

The revolution has been a catastrophe for the french people and europe

>With a monarchist you'll be stuck 50 years with an inbred retard.
Happened once during the middle age in 1000 years of existence. Most french kings have been good rulers and when they were not they always relied on competent ministers (Richelieu, Mazarin, Fleury, etc..). Abdication works in any case,
In a republic you're stucked with a permanent caste of opportunistic psychopaths who are only good at one thing: tell people what they want to hear and be elected then leave without ever being confronted to their responsabilities.

>>11946098
The beginning of the Vth republic only worked because De Gaulle was an anomaly, he was monarchist himself and understood what France needed.

France missed industrialization because it was in a state of chaos for a century straight while the UK and Prussia were extremely stable.

[Anonymous No.11949744]

Why are so many democracies short terms like 4 years anyway? Why not have governments that last at least 10-20 years?

[Anonymous No.11949766]

>>11949744
That number is arbitrary, it's can be seen as the shortest time needed for a president to show his worth. If he is good he would get reelected (this is not a joke).
If you made the wrong choice or discovered your president is a liar who won thanks to a campaign of misinformation you don't want to be stuck with him too long.
That's what make democracy superior to any despotic monarchy.

Your question should be "why don't we let a president be elected for more than 2 mandates?". And for that the anwers is either mistrust or to ward off complacency.


Anyway, I swore that topic was about nuclear fusion reactor.

[Anonymous No.11949784]

Can someone post a boiling water threadshot pls?

[Anonymous No.11949944]

>>11945555
noice get but it's a project funded by the EU and so it'll be 50 years late and 5000x times over-budget. private enterprise will unlock fusion power long before public does and at a fraction of the cost.

[Anonymous No.11951256]

>>11949448
the last one is "consume less"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecovillage

[Anonymous No.11951455]

>>11949766
>Your question should be "why don't we let a president be elected for more than 2 mandates?". And for that the anwers is either mistrust or to ward off complacency.
I don't live in a country with term limits so I have no reason to ask that. Australia has 3 year terms with no limit but aside from some Chad PMs they still only average 1-2 terms.
Then again, here you're voting for the party not the PM, so the while the party retains power they're free to change the PM internally whenever.

[Anonymous No.11951590]

>>11945555
inb4 100 000 kms of superconducting wire melts and it's delayed by another 8 years and 10 billion dollars

[Anonymous No.11952066]

>>11949944
Lockheed claimed they had nuclear fusion (almost) ready years go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_Compact_Fusion_Reactor

The difficulty isn't just producing the reaction, else a Polywell reactor can do that, it's capturing the produced energy and make a profit from it.

[Anonymous No.11953412]

>>11952066

Lockheed has also funded the SAFIRE project, perhaps to throw competitors off?

[Anonymous No.11953413]

Only 50 more years

[Anonymous No.11953421]

>>11945973
we really need a shitload of grants for groups of scientists under 30 to try to figure something else out

enough of the fucking steam engine age. it is no longer the 1720s. three fucking centuries and no one has figured anything better out. time to restore some scientific and engineering pride

[Anonymous No.11953438]

>>11953421
direct energy conversion is a thing for reactors using advanced fuels. Helion Energy is quiet,but they are hiring and making a push to get a prototype ready.

[Anonymous No.11953586]

>>11945555
About fucking time. Now how long until they start testing? 40 (Saturnian) years?

[Anonymous No.11953589]

>>11945734
Yes, always had been

[Anonymous No.11953593]

>>11945675
Why does it look like a Smash Bros stage?

[Anonymous No.11953601]

>>11953586
First plasma is scheduled for 2025, full fusion experiments for 2035.

[Anonymous No.11953627]

>>11945700
this is dumb as fuck, as ARC will be completed well before ITER
ITER is so late that the technology is already obsolete (the s.c. magnets)

[Anonymous No.11954258]

Speaking strictly from a science and engineering standpoint, why wouldn't it be possible to ignite a (magnetically) contained hydrogen plasma with a small fission charge, like in a thermonuclear bomb?

[Anonymous No.11954273]

>>11945693
>a huge scam to siphon billions of dollars away from other science projects
The growth monger cultists say shit like "trees grow back" and "stagnation is death"; they don't want to know about their true impact on the biomechanical heat engine called Earth that sustains everything that we are.

[Anonymous No.11954286]

>>11954273
t- global warmist corona worshiper.

[Anonymous No.11954392]

>>11951455
A President has more power than a Prime Minister, he can sign executive orders, he can be opposed by Congress and still not lose his position, unlike the PM who can lose a vote of no confidence from Parliament at any point and be forced to step down.

Thus why term limits are more important for a President than for a PM, to limit his monarch-like powers. The PM depends on Parliamentary approval to stay in office whereas the President does not. Congress can vote down the President's laws and even revoke his executive orders (at least in my country, not sure about the US), but they can't force him to step down short of a lenghty, exceptional and difficult impeachment process.

[Anonymous No.11954418]

>>11954273
why have you been posting so much today

[Anonymous No.11954965]

>>11953412
More like they don't have the technology yet but fund every possibility. This is what you do when you truly want to advance technology.

[Anonymous No.11955102]

>>11949944
Worse. It's project funded by pretty much everyone. That's why the speed has been so slow. You have to multiply complexity of the project by international politics, with fights over who builds what, and a fuckton of duplications.

[Anonymous No.11955133]

>>11945704
W7-X was designed to prove that with modern technology Stellarators aren't a complete meme, and that they have a few advantages over tokamaks.
W7-X wasn't designed to produce high "real" Q shots. (Much less Q~10 that ITER is aiming for) It is not allowed to handle Tritium. In fact AFAIK only JET is allowed to use Tritium, and even they mostly use D+D, and extrapolate from results.
Neither was W7-X designed to test viability of Tritium breeding inside the reactor.

[Anonymous No.11955134]

>>11945623
>>11945555
Watch the pieces not even fit.

[Anonymous No.11955153]

>>11946170
>How much power would it output?
Plans for 500MW to be dissipated into the atmosphere.
>Is building another one like it feasible?
No, the smart thing to do would be to take information from this project and based on what we would learn redesign it basically from scratch, this time with electrical generator attached.

[Anonymous No.11955178]

>>11948334
>Why can't they have room-sized proof of concepts?
Well the first tokamaks were pretty small, but they became ever more complex and bigger to study ever more complex physics. Now we have this colossus. Perspective technologies (first and foremost better magnets) do attempt to reduce the size of machine, but they are still untested since with how much money is devoted to fusion each year, scientists prefer to go more certain ways.

[Anonymous No.11955227]

>>11954418
That was my second post today. Before that I haven't posted in 2 or 3 days. I rarely post more than twice in one day.

[Anonymous No.11956459]

>>11955102
So too manly cooks in the kitchen?

[Anonymous No.11957334]

>>11954258
I think the biggest problem isn't to heat up the plasma (that was solved decades ago). It's to keep it in place.

[Anonymous No.11957399]

>>11945958
>>11945973

You could run a conductive gas through the plasma/core then connect that to the grid somehow

[Anonymous No.11957433]

>>11945958
Curiosity uses direct energy conversion doesn't it? I think the problem with the method is that we have developed it so little where as we've spent hundreds of years and trillions or more making turbine based power generation. Same problem that electric cars faced compared to gas, all that RnD has made a system that is so far ahead and effecient its hard to compete with

[Anonymous No.11957459]

>>11945958
Well there are gas turbines that heats air, turbine goes wooosh

[Anonymous No.11957482]

>>11945950
Why, yes I do.

[Anonymous No.11957515]

>>11957334
Depend of how you mean it.
We know how to get a continuous reaction, but the magnet needed for the job don't last long. Unless we fix that problem we won't make it economical.

>>11957433
We can't call that a "direct conversion", the very concept is against thermodynamic as I understand it.
>Curiosity carries a radioisotope power system that generates electricity from the heat of plutonium's radioactive decay

[Anonymous No.11957551]

>>11957515
>We can't call that a "direct conversion", the very concept is against thermodynamic as I understand it.
I don't understand, why not? It uses a thermoelectric generator to convert the heat produced by the isotopes decay to make electricity. Sure its not 'directly' on the power source but it's just using freon to shuttle the heat around for other systems and such, the actual power generation is completely solid state, no turbines

[Anonymous No.11957557]

>>11945677
Stuff your shitty toy in your ass, fucking kraut.

[Anonymous No.11957564]

>>11945916
Probably will have a MHD generator phase....then boiling the shit up of the rest

[Anonymous No.11958207]

>>11945677
Stellarator is so fricking cool.

[Anonymous No.11958336]

>>11955134

I KNOW THE PIECES FIT
I KNOW THE PIECES FIT

[Anonymous No.11958849]

>>11945677
I have a friend who is doing a plasma theory PhD on stellarators. Really neat stuff.

[Anonymous No.11958866]

>>11945555
Where?

[Anonymous No.11958867]

>>11946876
>going to MIT
>have no desired major
I fucking hate the US college system. I applied there with a desire to do a physics BA, had ridiculously high SAT subject test scores and great recommendations from my physics and math teachers. Did HL Math, Physics, and Chemistry in my International Baccalaureate, and scored 7/7 for math and physics. But oh no my French grades were low so too fucking bad. Meanwhile we have people who don't even know what they want to do with their lives getting enrolled.

[Anonymous No.11958868]

>>11945555
What an obscenely large and unnecessary (for the purpose/goal) construction.

[Anonymous No.11958952]

>>11958867
Please don't say you expected to get into MIT. What you did is the bare minimum -- tens of thousands of students get ridiculously high SAT scores and max out on IB exams. MIT students did things like IPhO on top of that.
>hate the US college system
it's not the college system. You're just an unworthy applicant by MIT's standards

[Anonymous No.11958961]

>>11958952
I got offers from Oxford and Imperial College tho. So don't give me this "unworthy" bullshit. Oxford actually has you take what's called an aptitude exam, where you do physics and then invites you to an interview. Similar thing with Imperial. Nothing like that for MIT. They care more about my French grades and me playing a trombone then my actual physics skills.

[Anonymous No.11958967]

>>11958867
based.

[Anonymous No.11958985]

>>11958952

[Anonymous No.11959000]

>>11958866
Southern France. Does anyone know why Southern France was picked in particular btw?

[Anonymous No.11959497]

>>11959000
France is a relatively neutral country that has a strong nuclear tradition and a lot of skilled labor.

[Anonymous No.11959517]

>>11959000
Well it's right next to already existing European tokamak (tore supra)
I think the main fight was between EU (France/Spain proposal) and Japan. Russia was crawling out of 90th and still had massive internal instability, while US was more interested in blowing shit up with lasers. Spain couldn't promise stable enough energy in large quantities, and Japan got a few concessions from EU which later became "Broader Approach Agreement"

[Anonymous No.11959909]

>>11958961
Imperial has no aptitude test. Getting in is easy, they just have higher grade requirements. I walked into my interview with spaghetti falling out of my pockets and still got in. Nothing compared to MIT.