/sfg/ - Space Flight General.

[Anonymous No.12370001]

Rocket Staging edition.

Previous thread: >>12365993

Dedicated Falcon 9 rocket launches thread up soon by launch-thread anon.

[Anonymous No.12370010]

Bless this thread

[Anonymous No.12370012]

Long nose tribe say we need to feed chocolate skin tribe instead of go to mountains. Why? Grug don't get.

[Anonymous No.12370016]

>>12370010

[Anonymous No.12370020]

>>12370012
Because we're all in this together, chud

[Anonymous No.12370022]

>>12370012
There is nothing on mountain only rock.

[Anonymous No.12370024]

>>12370012
Long nose tribe had holobunga last season. If you don't listen to long nose tribe you are doing holobunga again

We should only climb mountain to look back on cave and see if it changes. Cave warming is biggest threat to grug

[Anonymous No.12370032]

reposting because interesting
>Observers estimate the satellites weigh close to 5,200 kg and have very large (estimated 100 m diameter)[2] radio reflecting dishes. NRO L-32, which is seen as the fifth satellite in the series, is according to NRO director Bruce Carlson "(...) the largest satellite in the world".[3] It is believed that this refers to the diameter of the main antenna, which might be well in excess of 100 m (330 ft).[4]

[Anonymous No.12370036]

>>12370024
Me build GUN, finally put end to cave warming tribe.

[Anonymous No.12370047]

>>12370024
Grug no understand why warm cave bad warm cave easy to sleep Grug hates go out where cold and find food for ungas and chocolate tribe.
Grug tired want to leave even mountain better.

[Anonymous No.12370049]

>>12370020
ME NAME GRUG NOT CHUD, CHUD IS ALREADY PREPARING TO GO TO MOUNTAINS WE BE LIKE HIM

[Anonymous No.12370059]

lunch thread
>>12370050
>>12370050
>>12370050

[Anonymous No.12370065]

Post spaceflight pics that exemplify "because it's there"

[Anonymous No.12370073]

>>12370065

[Anonymous No.12370077]

>>12370065

[Anonymous No.12370085]

>>12370073
>says something stupid
>gets called out for it
>"wah you just hate me for my ethnicity"

[Anonymous No.12370086]

>>12370024
>Gods am angry, cave flood coming they say
>No am move to big mountain, too dangerous
Grog thinks witchman whisper in cave dweller's ears, make them want to die.

[Anonymous No.12370088]

WE GOTTA GET OFF THIS PLANET

[Anonymous No.12370092]

>>12370088
We? Anon we're dying here and u know it

[Anonymous No.12370096]

>>12370088
NOW!

[Anonymous No.12370115]

>>12370085
>implying his ethnicity and his "why bother striving for greatness?" attitude aren't directly related

[Anonymous No.12370138]

>>12370092
our duty is to ensure that luddites and reactionaries can't hold us back

[Anonymous No.12370139]

>>12370088
God I want to leave the well

[Anonymous No.12370160]

its really hard to grasp how big starship actually is

[Anonymous No.12370202]

>>12370073

[Anonymous No.12370364]

>>12370160
Wait until you realize the internal volume roughly equals the ISS one.

[Anonymous No.12370422]

Starship being aggressively ugly is probably the best thing SpaceX could do. It's very clearly a machine built to work, not to look cool, which will make it obvious to everyone that it's not a billionaire vanity project no matter how much Musk-haters peddle that narrative.

[Anonymous No.12370425]

>>12370364
Wait until you realize that a huge inflatable can be lifted by Starship

[Anonymous No.12370457]

wait a minute....if nasa switches to climate science, doesnt that mean SpaceX will launch all those payloads? it's not all bad guys

[Anonymous No.12370459]

>>12370422
the welds are going to virtually disappear within a few months

[Anonymous No.12370477]

>>12370459
absolute cope

[Anonymous No.12370484]

>>12370459
that's not going to stop it from being ugly

[Anonymous No.12370487]

from SpaceX twitter

[Anonymous No.12370497]

>>12370422
>>12370459
Starship stopped being ugly after they switched to two fins and bare steel.

[Anonymous No.12370499]

>>12370457
What does nasa even do anymore now?

[Anonymous No.12370505]

>>12370477
why would that not happen?
>>12370484
starship without bad welds looks kino as fuck

[Anonymous No.12370506]

>>12370422
>implying that there isn't a beauty to simple mechanical function

[Anonymous No.12370515]

>>12370065

[Anonymous No.12370519]

>>12370506
to us, not to the general public
starship is objectively ugly

[Anonymous No.12370520]

>>12370477
counter-cope

[Anonymous No.12370530]

>>12370520
isn't that sn1 on the left?

[Anonymous No.12370534]

>>12370520
soulless vs soul

[Anonymous No.12370541]

>>12370530
Yes, it's just the first thing that showed up on google that showed the evolution over time. SNs have gotten better too but that's less obvious at a glance.

[Anonymous No.12370614]

>>12370160
Howcome Starship is just two stages while Saturn V was like six?

[Anonymous No.12370623]

>>12370614
Orbital refueling eliminates the need for pure orbital stages for Starship

[Anonymous No.12370643]

>>12370614
Saturn V didn't refuel, and had to transport people to the Moon and back all in one go. Most modern rockets simply deliver payloads to orbit, which is pretty easy with two stages. If the payload is supposed to travel elsewhere, like to Mars, this is usually done by the payload's own thrusters and fuel tanks, which are typically inside of a fairing and far too small to be really be called the "Third stage" of the rocket.

[Anonymous No.12370691]

>>12370623
The best part of orbital refueling is it removes most of the downsides of chemical rockets for Mars missions.

[Anonymous No.12370701]

>>12370614
Because Saturn V had to deliver the LEM and CSM to a low lunar orbit without any orbital refueling

[Anonymous No.12370738]

>>12370022
Shaman say shiny mountain rock valuable.
Say melting rock into better rock to hunt mammoth with.
Better rock than sharp rock possible? Grug think Shaman snort too much mushroom powder.

[Anonymous No.12370761]

>>12370001
I can't wait until NASA is shut down again and all the money reallocated to BLM and China. Because that's the future of humanity. I fucking love science.

[Anonymous No.12370783]

>>12370761
China will put catamites and niggers in concentration camps and build colonies in space so its good.

[Anonymous No.12370794]

Nuclear ramjet SSTOs when?

[Anonymous No.12370805]

>>12370794
never

[Anonymous No.12371069]

>>12370032
Neat

[Anonymous No.12371109]

Did they ever say anything else about the recovered Electron?

[Anonymous No.12371111]

>>12371109
it doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.12371148]

>>12371109
burnt to a crisp, zucchinis on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.12371180]

>>12370497
>stopped being ugly after 1) 3 -> 2 fins 2) steel
1) fuck no
2) yes

[Anonymous No.12371183]

>>12371109
From Rocket Lab's twitter account

[Anonymous No.12371186]

>>12371183
See how they don't show the engines? They're burnt to crisp.

[Anonymous No.12371193]

I need to read some ragebait. Who is Biden's frontrunner for NASA head and what are their objectives?

[Anonymous No.12371195]

>>12371193
You need some mental help bro.

[Anonymous No.12371203]

>>12371193
>>>/pol/ might be a better place for your shitty bait

[Anonymous No.12371221]

>>12371193
Doesn't matter because SpaceX will carry on and inspire more people to be interested in space again

[Anonymous No.12371222]

>>12371193
They are going to use NASA to shame you in to paying more taxes to stop climate change.

[Anonymous No.12371225]

>>12371193
Low IQ post, but to add to it, Biden was being advised by a dude who shilled for Boeing so hard, he got into legal trouble for it

[Anonymous No.12371231]

>>12371225
Doug claims he was trying to ask Boeing if they would sue if they weren't selected

[Anonymous No.12371246]

>>12371231
Didnt he leak the price&specs of the other bidders of the artemis program to boeing?

[Anonymous No.12371247]

>>12371193
Fucking hope its not Rep Horn. I'll take anyone else. She's anti-commercial space.

[Anonymous No.12371252]

>>12371246
no, the only communication he had with Boeing was a phone call to the VP of Space at Boeing, asking him if he was going to sue if he told them that they lost the contract
the VP of Space at Boeing then immediately tried to use this illegal information in a very obviously illegal way

[Anonymous No.12371267]

>>12371252
Then who was the guy who leaked the price&specs again?

[Anonymous No.12371295]

>>12371231
>>12371252
>Boeing suing for not being selected
Doubt it, and even if they tried the case would get laughed out of the courtroom

[Anonymous No.12371307]

>>12371295
>bribes your judge
>heh nothing personnel kid

[Anonymous No.12371315]

>>12371295
> boing
> 0 good findings

[Anonymous No.12371317]

>>12371295
God, how far boeing has fallen.
Also a reminder that the 747 max has been cleared for flight again only 3 days ago.
I really hope, somehow, that boeing gets a massive purge of the upper echelons and returns to it engineering first days.

[Anonymous No.12371323]

>>12371295
This isn't for HLS anon, it has the wrong teams. This looks like CRS, right?

[Anonymous No.12371325]

>>12371323
>GLS
baka

[Anonymous No.12371326]

>>12371247
>She's anti-commercial space
No she's just pro Boeing, which may be worse desu

[Anonymous No.12371329]

>>12371323
Gateway Logistics Services, which is cargo for the moon space station. It's not HLS, but it shows how badly Boeing as been performing for NASA

[Anonymous No.12371336]

>>12371295
>>12371295
How much do you want to bet that SpaceX's weakness are things like "outperforms requirements" and "hasn't been around as long".

[Anonymous No.12371340]

>>12371295
>SNC cucked again
I want them to succeed so bad. SpaceX needs some good competition, as opposed to boings! "competition".

[Anonymous No.12371342]

>>12371295
What kind of bullshit rating system is this? Are there any details public other than arbitrary numbers?

[Anonymous No.12371346]

>>12370065
A rocket launch is really just climbing a proverbial mountain - gravity

[Anonymous No.12371355]

Climbing a mountain is done as much for the change in perspective and introspective experience as it is for the thrill, challenge and sensational experience, the "Overview effect" astronauts report experiencing from observing the Earth as whole is evidence enough that changing our perspective changes our selves in profound ways, often for the better

What then does it say about those who see no meaning and value in climbing a mountain let alone venturing to space, even if they would never do such things themselves.

[Anonymous No.12371363]

>>12371346
We can build something as tall as a skyscraper and space just swallows and turns it into a dot

[Anonymous No.12371380]

>>12371342
That table is just a summary of the full report. https://www.docdroid.net/EvbakaZ/glssssredacted-version-pdf

[Anonymous No.12371391]

>>12371355
I want to work with Tomboys in space.

[Anonymous No.12371409]

>>12371391
I want to work in space

[Anonymous No.12371411]

>>12371409
>EMU
>looks like a relatively recent EVA
>no camera/light assembly on the helmet
What the hell?

[Anonymous No.12371419]

What are the requirements for becoming a part of the payload integration team?
It's pretty much my dream job outside of becoming an astronaut, since you'd always be close to something new that goes to space

[Anonymous No.12371420]

>>12371411

[Anonymous No.12371422]

>>12371411
>looks like a relatively recent EVA
literally in the filename: expedition 61

[Anonymous No.12371423]

[Anonymous No.12371425]

>>12371409
I want to die in space

[Anonymous No.12371427]

[Anonymous No.12371433]

>>12371425
I want to space in space

[Anonymous No.12371434]

>>12371422
Yeah, I assumed all EMUs had that light/camera mount by then. I’ve even seen Russian EVAs where they mounted the lights from those things on their Orlan helmets.

[Anonymous No.12371438]

>>12370065

[Anonymous No.12371440]

S E V E N T H F L I G H T

[Anonymous No.12371442]

[Anonymous No.12371445]

>>12371440
>btfo's cuckf00t without even trying

[Anonymous No.12371448]

>>12371440
if this flies, does that mean SpaceX beat their record for most flights in a year?

[Anonymous No.12371449]

>>12371427
>>12371423
baller

>>12371440
NASA should give them money to just use a rocket until it fails. That would be interesting data

[Anonymous No.12371450]

[Anonymous No.12371451]

>>12371445
Its only 7th. Elon Musk promised 10, therefore SpaceX is fake and Elon Musk is a fraud.

[Anonymous No.12371453]

>>12371433
>>12371425
>>12371409
>>12371391

I want to sleep in space. My god, zero-G sleep must be absolutely amazing.

[Anonymous No.12371456]

[Anonymous No.12371459]

[Anonymous No.12371460]

>>12371445
I read somewhere that Falcon 9 marginal cost is about 20mil. Does that mean it pays for itself after a single launch? if not how many does it take? ULA said something like 10 flights is necessary, but that sounds like horse shit

[Anonymous No.12371462]

>>12371445
> he isn't aware of the upcoming thunderf00t video about spacex being a fraud due to rough Crew1 booster landing
oh nonononooooooooooo

[Anonymous No.12371463]

>>12371449
>NASA should give them money to just use a rocket until it fails. That would be interesting data
had the same thought when reading that, I wish they'd do it, if they could perfect recovery every single time, how long until a single booster just gives out in flight or on return?

[Anonymous No.12371466]

>>12371453
Same, not in some cuck cabinet but a wide open space so I can just fall asleep and float inside

[Anonymous No.12371468]

>>12371453
>tfw no cuddling in zero g with a tomboy in space.

[Anonymous No.12371469]

>>12371460
28m*
Even on second launch, pays for itself from third launch onwards (from Musk's twitter, cba to search for the tweet)

[Anonymous No.12371473]

>>12371466
>being woken up by bonking your head on a wall
Fuck that shit, stuff me in the cuckhole

[Anonymous No.12371474]

Why aren't we seeding Mars with microbes and other extremophiles that can survive there? Is there a reason not to do this?

[Anonymous No.12371476]

I just want to coom in space, I'm sure I can pull it off

[Anonymous No.12371479]

>>12371473
How bout this then
>super soft padded walls
>massive sphere or cylinder
>no lights
>no windows
>final destination

[Anonymous No.12371484]

>>12371448
Depends. 2018 had 21 flights, 2020 has 22, HOWEVER, one of them was in flight abort test flight, so depending how you count. In terms of successful flights? Already ahead. Orbital missions? Tied with 2018. Will beat the record with Starlink 15.

[Anonymous No.12371485]

I'm just worried that if I ever went to space, and to a station with enough volume, that the rest of the crew would grab me and hold me motionless in the middle of a module and then let go. You'd just be stuck there

[Anonymous No.12371492]

>>12371474
It already has them, unmanned rovers just suck shit

[Anonymous No.12371497]

>>12371485
nah, you could still "swim" through the air

[Anonymous No.12371498]

>>12371485
Just take your clothes off and eject them at your crewmates for reaction mass.

[Anonymous No.12371519]

>>12370761
China is at least better than the current west and won't waste as much resources and let their culture die both in the name of "ethics"

[Anonymous No.12371521]

>>12371519
>China is at least better than the current west
LMAO
Have you ever actually been to China?

[Anonymous No.12371528]

>>12371521
Racist cope

[Anonymous No.12371551]

>>12371519
>China is at least better than the current west
You haven't noticed the current state of the world?
>won't waste as much resources and let their culture die
I think Mao would disagree

[Anonymous No.12371557]

>>12371485
If you're not in physical contact with anything you're in orbit of your own and will eventually drift somewhere

[Anonymous No.12371558]

>>12371551
>Xi is the same as Mao

[Anonymous No.12371561]

>>12371485
... just vomit or spit. Or take of your clothes and throw them. Easy.

[Anonymous No.12371562]

>>12371558
Well they're both commies, and Mao already destroyed their culture and history

[Anonymous No.12371568]

>>12371519
>just as far behind SpaceX as everyone else
>the eternal "n-no they'll magically catch up" cope with no salient justification
>Chinese "culture"
>living in a styrofoam house and selling your daughter to nigerians for "diplomatic outreach" is culture now

[Anonymous No.12371575]

>>12370794

[Anonymous No.12371576]

>>12371528
You didn't answer the question. Have you ever been to or worked in Mainland China?

[Anonymous No.12371578]

>>12371568
Yes.
We will win.

[Anonymous No.12371582]

>>12371576
Ni hao

[Anonymous No.12371583]

>>12371568
They are far behind but they have the will to get better. Our government does not. So they may catch up

[Anonymous No.12371586]

The only good thing about 2020 so far is Trump losing and all the cool SpaceX stuff.

[Anonymous No.12371593]

> Chang'e 5 (Chinese: 嫦娥五号; pinyin: Cháng'é wǔhào) is a robotic Chinese lunar exploration mission consisting of a lander and a sample-return vehicle. It is scheduled for launch on 24 November 2020 to land on the moon by November 27, and return to earth around December 16–17. Chang'e 5 will be China's first sample return mission, aiming to return at least 2 kilograms (4.4 pounds) of lunar soil and rock samples back to the Earth.

Cool

[Anonymous No.12371594]

>>12371586

[Anonymous No.12371595]

>>12371586
>Trump losing
>good thing
Are you aware of who Joe Biden is, or are you just completely blinded by "orange man bad"?

[Anonymous No.12371596]

>>12371568
Right. But look at it from this view.
One nation has a suicidal government and state. The other one wants to be the best they can.
Give it 10 more years and you'll really start to notice if you don't already.

[Anonymous No.12371606]

>>12371596
The CCP wants to consolidate power for itself like every other authoritarian regime in human history. Literally everything else they do stems from that, not some "glorious Chinese culture". They destroyed existing Chinese culture and replaced it with cheap Western trinkets on purpose, because removing ties to the past weakens resistance.

[Anonymous No.12371609]

>>12371595

Trump Derangement Syndrome is one hell of a psychological disorder to suffer from.

[Anonymous No.12371614]

>>12371609
Trump was pretty incompetent but Americans need to be honest about the fact that they just replaced the guy who vetoed the Patriot Act renewal with the guy who wrote the Patriot Act.

[Anonymous No.12371617]

>>12371596
>One nation has a suicidal government and state. The other one wants to be the best they can.
I'm not sure which you think is which, either way communism and China will fail

[Anonymous No.12371620]

>>12371583
>>12371596
>relying on the state to innovate
We tried that. It worked for all of a decade and all on the back of one man, then they stopped listening to him because the state cannot be relied on, and it fell apart. Now everyone else is following that model that didn't work while lacking the strong leadership that could have saved it. I don't know what you're expecting to come out of that, but I can tell you it's not happening.

[Anonymous No.12371622]

I almost wish for China to catch up so they'll start another space race. Although that's probably why they haven't pushed hard for space yet

[Anonymous No.12371625]

>>12371617
You don't understand capital

[Anonymous No.12371634]

>>12371625
If communists understood capital, they wouldn't be communists. Which, unsurprisingly, is why China stopped being communist a long time ago. Communism can never create wealth, only redistribute it.

[Anonymous No.12371636]

>>12371622
>I almost wish for China to catch up so they'll start another space race.
People have been wishing and memeing for a second space race with China since 2003. China doesn't give a shit about rapidly catching up with the US in manned spaceflight and is more than happy to take it at their own pace. Expecting China to be the driving force that forces NASA to get its shit together is a lost cause

[Anonymous No.12371640]

i need to write a science fiction story with spaceflight give me ideas sfg

[Anonymous No.12371646]

>>12371640
Bugeater colony faces massive internal strife over the ethics of eating newly arrived bugmen

[Anonymous No.12371649]

>>12371640
mars 2060, nuclear war on earth

[Anonymous No.12371659]

>>12371551
Yes I am. China has alot of issues but their tech companies dont control the media. They got their biggest simp biden in the white house and they dont allow multinational corporations to control them in fact its the other way around

[Anonymous No.12371660]

>>12371640
I've got a good idea for a story about how this one anon was a totally uncreative faggot that solicited ideas on a anime image board

[Anonymous No.12371670]

>>12371659
>their tech companies don't control the media
Because the CCP owns both all the tech companies and all the media. This isn't better, they just don't bother pretending not to be authoritarians.

[Anonymous No.12371671]

>>12371620
Okay lolbert. Its not the state that is the issue. It is who is in control of the state. Our State is controlled by plutocrats

[Anonymous No.12371675]

>>12371670
Yeah and they dont simp for twitter, google or bill gates. Maybe we should learn from our enemies if they are doing well?

[Anonymous No.12371683]

>>12371670
>>12371675
Also
>authoritarians bad
All systems are going to be authoritarians one way or another. Your only choice is to choose what kind.

[Anonymous No.12371687]

>>12371675
>guys the evil NWO Bill Gates pedo conspiracy controls everything what do we do
>I know, give all the power to an unelected and unaccountable politburo

[Anonymous No.12371689]

>>12371659
>Yes I am.
What? Never made any claims as to who you where
> but their tech companies dont control the media
No, the state does, much better!

[Anonymous No.12371692]

>>12371689
It is much better because you have no real choice lol. Someone will control it Lolbert your only choice is whom gets to control it.

[Anonymous No.12371698]

>>12371687
>its okay when corporations do it!

[Anonymous No.12371702]

>>12371698
It isn't. Your answer is "it's bad when corporations do it, so let's have an authoritarian state do it instead". That's not actually an answer at all, all you've done is change the job titles. How are you possibly so dense that you understand the problem with unelected authoritarians dictating the truth, but still think that replacing the blue bird with a swastica changes anything?

[Anonymous No.12371707]

I fucking hate commies

[Anonymous No.12371708]

>>12371702
How are elections doing for you? How is democracy when the person that wins is whomever has the most cash or the people with the most cash wants to win. The "freedom" you want is a lie. You can either have an authoritarian that works for you or not. Thats the only real choice lol

[Anonymous No.12371717]

>/sfg/ - Bullshit Politics General

[Anonymous No.12371720]

Why Starlink will probably be banned in India:
>Indians must own between 25 and 49% of a business that is trying to do business in India
>a law is in the works that would ban companies from sharing data on Indian citizens with foreign governments (Starlink would be required by law to share data on Indian citizens with the US government)
>a major Indian company has a huge investment in OneWeb
https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/jygv6x/an_opinion_stop_holding_out_hope_for_starlink_to/

[Anonymous No.12371721]

>>12371708
>things are shit so let's make them worse!

[Anonymous No.12371723]

>>12371609
Trump is a piece of shit, but at least he is a piece of shit not in the pocket of the CCP.

[Anonymous No.12371725]

Watching NASA on that sentinel stream made me cringe. What were they thinking? Was this a practice run for the SLS stream next year? If so it may be a disaster in more ways than one..

[Anonymous No.12371728]

Reminder that shooting communists is always self defense, and that fascism is just communism with a race obsession.

[Anonymous No.12371731]

>>12371725
What did I miss? I haven't been on all day.

[Anonymous No.12371732]

>>12371671
>Okay lolbert.
No, I just know the state's proper place. I'm not telling you the state is bad for making roads and running day to day bureaucracy, I'm telling you it's bad at handling fast moving markets and innovation.
>Its not the state that is the issue. It is who is in control of the state.
The state is as good as its ability to put capable people in places of power where they can do good work. Who are your capable leaders in space, and what are the limits of their power and influence?

[Anonymous No.12371733]

>>12371725
SLS has the same lack of system integration testing that Starliner did. I fully expect it to fail. There will be some ancient crusty line of Shuttle code that shuts down one of the engines or something.

[Anonymous No.12371736]

>>12371721
I doubt having a leader that cares about you is worse lol

[Anonymous No.12371741]

>>12371733
As funny as an SLS RUD would be, that would most likely cause the American public to turn against spaceflight. I'd rather have the bad orange rocket fly if it means that popular support of space is kept

[Anonymous No.12371743]

>>12371736
>authoritarianism
>a leader who "cares about you"
lmfao what a delusional fucking nigger

[Anonymous No.12371746]

>new NDAA in the works
>Space Force may get a reserve component
>Congress is likely to drop support for a naval rank structure
Why do spacefags hate naval ranks?

[Anonymous No.12371751]

>>12371732
Uh yeah who was the bad guy when Caesar got into power? Was it him or the Senate? Were the Italian people poorer under the Duce or did they get a better life? The issue is not authoritarianism its who is control of the system. That goes for any system. The issue with democracy is that more often then not sycophants get into power and then do nothing because its is the money changer in control not the president.

[Anonymous No.12371752]

>>12371698
>>12371702
you guys are talking about stuff i thought about when i was a teenager

i guess this proves that engineers are no smarter than a fifth grader when it comes to anything other than math and science

[Anonymous No.12371754]

>>12371751
>can't answer the question, starts talking about a completely different subject
>only here to defend pooh bear, could give less than of a shit about chink spaceflight
Of course.

[Anonymous No.12371755]

>>12371746
Because they hate the popular idea that space is like an ocean

[Anonymous No.12371757]

>>12371752
>I'm smarter than both sides but refuse to state or defend my positions
you're stupider than both sides but have given up after years of being btfo

[Anonymous No.12371759]

At least Xi isn't afraid to show he is the leader. Western society is led by a bunch of invisible people who don't care at all. There's maybe a few strategists trying to change things, but the prime minister or president is not the one in control within a corporatist society.

[Anonymous No.12371762]

>>12371757
this thread is supposed to be about space engineering

what the fuck are you talking about

[Anonymous No.12371764]

>>12371752
woah there einstein you are blowing me away with your intellect
you thought about it when you were a teenager? NO how?????

[Anonymous No.12371766]

>>12371754
How was i going to a different subject? I said its not about the system its about who is allowed to be in power. I dislike pooh bear but all I said we should control our tech companies better. You know like learning from your enemy when they are doing well because guess what faggot. They're controlling our tech companies.

[Anonymous No.12371771]

>>12371759
Yes, absolute power is clearly the better way...
Also, dictators like XI are always one wrong step away from dying of a "natural death" by a bullet trough the head while tied up.

[Anonymous No.12371772]

>>12371759
This is plutocratic corporatist imo. Real corporatism is like what Gentile wanted in Italy

[Anonymous No.12371774]

>>12371771
Yeah its better to kill one bad leader rather then a million bad voters. Good point

[Anonymous No.12371775]

>>12371766
>I said its not about the system its about who is allowed to be in power
That's what I said, Chinaboo.
>The state is as good as its ability to put capable people in places of power where they can do good work.
I didn't talk shit about any one system, other than to say that the state is a poor vehicle for innovation. Which it is, and your arguments have nothing to do with in any case.
Now, answer the question. What has your glorious Chinese system wrought for leadership in space? Who are your great leaders who will btfo the west, and what are the actual imbuements of their posts?

[Anonymous No.12371781]

What do we think of solar thermal propulsion?
>A solar thermal rocket is a theoretical spacecraft propulsion system that would make use of solar power to directly heat reaction mass, and therefore would not require an electrical generator, like most other forms of solar-powered propulsion do. The rocket would only have to carry the means of capturing solar energy, such as concentrators and mirrors. The heated propellant would be fed through a conventional rocket nozzle to produce thrust. Its engine thrust would be directly related to the surface area of the solar collector and to the local intensity of the solar radiation.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/11/a-solar-powered-rocket-might-be-our-ticket-to-interstellar-space/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_rocket

[Anonymous No.12371784]

>>12371774
In CCP china it's easier to just kill a million voters then one bad leader.
They did it before.

[Anonymous No.12371786]

>>12371731
NASA took charge of the stream and had 2 presenters sit in a field to cover the launch with bad audio echoing, weird child choir singing 'America the Beautiful', schoolgrade science experiments that went to shit at the end, talking over the countdown, talking over the booster landing and they stretched it out for over 2 fucking hours.. it was a shitshow.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced that this was more about testing how they were going to stream the SLS launch next year...

[Anonymous No.12371789]

>>12371775
I'm not chinese though. I'm just saying its better to control you tech companies then not. All I said is that the chinese state has the will to get into space and while its great that SpaceX has that will as well. I wish SpaceX had more backing by the U.S state. The issue with us right now is that we are comfy and we are stuck with companies that do nothing but milk taxpayers. Maybe china having the will to go into space can bring that will back to the U.S.

[Anonymous No.12371791]

>>12371759

[Anonymous No.12371793]

>>12371781
Irrelevant in today's world, you can make a better system using photovoltaics powering electric systems.

[Anonymous No.12371797]

>>12371789
>I'm just saying its better to control you tech companies then not

[Anonymous No.12371798]

>>12371789
>I'm not chinese though.
That's literally the implication behind "chinaboo", yes.
>still doesn't actually address the fucking point and goes back to knocking on about whatever is in his mind instead
The fucking state of it. You cannot cope with the fact that you know nothing about the thing you're defending.

[Anonymous No.12371809]

>>12371798
What is your point retard? State bad? Okay then you're complety okay with this system we live in.

[Anonymous No.12371813]

>>12371798
>>12371809
Also what am I defending?

[Anonymous No.12371821]

>>12371809
I have asked you twice now to give some evidence of the power of the Chinese system at work. I have asked you to regale me with your tails of its great space leaders and every time you pretend I said nothing. Do you know anything about its space program? What is it that convinces you that it is so strong when you don't have any knowledge of it?
>Also what am I defending?
Are you on drugs?

[Anonymous No.12371823]

>>12371821
I'm not talking about the chinese system though and you didn't ask that. You just talked about the concept of the state

[Anonymous No.12371824]

Speaking of Chinese spaceflight, thoughts on Long March 8?

[Anonymous No.12371826]

>>12370457
It means that the national priority is turning away from access to space. SpaceX will soon start running into heavy bureaucratic opposition. Don't be surprised if Boca Chica is shut down to protect those wading herons that those protesters were agitating about.
Biden and Kamala are controlled by Chinese handlers, so their objective is to stifle US space exploration.
Hopefully Musk is prepared for this and can relocate as neccesary.

[Anonymous No.12371831]

>>12371826
>Don't be surprised if Boca Chica is shut down to protect those wading herons that those protesters were agitating about.
Got a source for that?

[Anonymous No.12371832]

>>12371823
>>12371821
I'm not saying its strong now I'm just saying it can be strong in the future. Why is it bad to account for the possible issues your enemy may cause upon you. I'm saying or trying to say while the milestones they hit are small they have the will to go further. They will inch closer and closer until one day you will find them trying to put people on the moon.

[Anonymous No.12371833]

>>12371823
So you jumped in to talk about the state, despite the fact that you don't actually know or have any interest in the subject at hand? The subject was the state in regards to spaceflight and specifically to Chinese spaceflight relative to the West. If you didn't know anything about that, why did you even respond?

[Anonymous No.12371840]

>>12371831
https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/2020/08/04/environmentalists-call-full-review-spacex-ops/
>>12371833
We china has the will to go further with their space program and out state only cares about pork. One leads to pushing further to catch up with us and the other leads to stagnation. Its a possible issue we need to address

[Anonymous No.12371845]

>>12371826
other anon here, you dont know shit.
The US militairy really wants starlink to become real and has great intrest in starship.
SpaceX is safe.

[Anonymous No.12371847]

>>12371840
>>12371833
and addressing that is to have a US government that is real about space exploration and exploitation. Don't underestimate your enemy.

[Anonymous No.12371849]

>>12371840
It's the perfect pretext. So far, the federal government has been ignoring these cretins. But without Orange Man, there's nothing to stop Biden deferring all decision-making to the CCP.

[Anonymous No.12371851]

>>12371826
>Don't be surprised if Boca Chica is shut down to protect those wading herons
>Hopefully Musk is prepared for this and can relocate as neccesary.
right, they'll move slightly inland, though I don't think they'll have to. Though desu I hope Elon eventually buys and island close to the equator and just whatever he wants there

[Anonymous No.12371852]

>>12371845
I hope so. but who knows the path the pentagon will take in the end.

[Anonymous No.12371853]

>>12371845
Well, I hope so. I just don't have much hope for the future the way things are developing.

[Anonymous No.12371861]

>>12371840
>we china

>>12371789
>I'm not Chinese tho

We need flags and IDs.

[Anonymous No.12371863]

>>12371840
>We china has the will to go further with their space program and out state only cares about pork.
You're turning incoherent, Zhou

[Anonymous No.12371867]

Electron bros, I think I might join your ranks. But before doing so, redpill me on this "aerothermal decelerator" technology. Is it just chutes? Where does the booster fall? is a boat dispatched to the expected landing site of each mission?

[Anonymous No.12371869]

>>12371840
>We china has the will to go further with their space program and out state only cares about pork.
I'm talking shit about our state, too. I'm talking shit about every state. They all need to change their approach to spaceflight. In the meantime, what makes you think the Chinese approach propels them past US private space, the real leader? Who are their great leaders, how do they rise through the ranks? Where is the demonstration of "willpower" that goes beyond what everyone else is showing?

[Anonymous No.12371880]

>>12371851
I don't think it's anything, it's a petition by some whiny boomers and iirc the whole thing was plagued with inaccuracies. More to the point though Boca Chica launch ops are temporary, they'll move to sea launch eventually hence the lack of strong pad development.

[Anonymous No.12371888]

>>12371851
SpaceX Island would be incredibly based.

[Anonymous No.12371889]

>>12371851
>watch sentinel stream on NASA channel
>2 wymen and 1 men speaking.
>NASA official comment appears in chat
>"the planet is warming, learn how at NASA site"
This is what NASA will be about under Biden. Other than JPL, the rest is just a leftist organization with nothing relevant to do other than milking taxpayer's money. Because Trumpf didn't want to look bad on the news, he left NASA untouched. Now that Biden has been elected, climate and wymen is what NASA will be about.
I hope he at least shuts a large part of it down.

[Anonymous No.12371894]

>>12371867
I find it interesting that they went with 9 tiny rocket engines. I wonder what kind of analysis goes into these kinds of decisions. Upcoming smallsat competitors firefly and launcher have gone with 4 larger engines as a solution

[Anonymous No.12371895]

>>12371888
Maybe they could buy Epstein’s old island.

[Anonymous No.12371899]

>>12371888
launching from a coast and landing on an island would be pretty sick.

[Anonymous No.12371906]

>>12371889
It't pretty funny really, considering Sentinel 6 will be montering sea level rise, and Copernicus in general in just Earth observation. Which all is the direction NASA will be going towards the next few years. Very telling launch

[Anonymous No.12371909]

>>12371894
They wanted to use electric pump meme engines and those have a firm upper limit on size (the pump)

[Anonymous No.12371910]

>>12371889
>Because Trumpf didn't want to look bad on the news
Laughable. He looked bad on the news constantly. They never made him look good, ever. Whatever his reasons for allowing NASA to pursue space science, appealing to the media wasn't it.

[Anonymous No.12371920]

>>12371880
I really hope it works. The push now will be for a completely inward looking mentality. SpaceX is in a massive race against time to get to Mars before that window closes.

[Anonymous No.12371922]

>>12371824
What the fuck is this frankenstein of a rocket?

[Anonymous No.12371928]

>>12371910
This, the man has been compared to hitler literally every day for 4 years now.

[Anonymous No.12371932]

>>12371928
More like five years. The hate started a few months after his announcement of candidacy.

[Anonymous No.12371934]

>>12371867
Booster is caught by a helicopter

[Anonymous No.12371936]

>>12371920
It won't, that's why I'm looking into migrating to China soon. They've started to allow obtaining Chinese citizenship for highly skilled individuals. It's better to live under an autocratic regime that appreciates your work than to endure the slow decay of Western civilization as more and more resources are spent on attracting Muslims and Africans.

[Anonymous No.12371939]

>>12371928
4 years of no new wars and economic prosperity and we coulda had 4 more but those mean tweets I guess.

[Anonymous No.12371940]

>>12371894
>I wonder what kind of analysis goes into these kinds of decisions
Wasn't it "The bigger, the more efficient"? (Also more expensive). In a reusable, you can theoretically afford to have large expensive single engines, as you can recover them later.

The Rutherfords are 3D printed and have electrical pumps. Maybe this somehow overcomes the inefficiency of multiple engines?

[Anonymous No.12371945]

>>12371936
You won't be missed.

[Anonymous No.12371948]

>>12371920
It doesn't matter one whit what direction the govt is looking when SpaceX goes to Mars as long as they aren't bringing any NASA personnel or missions with them.
>>12371936
And this is why you don't pickle your brain with chinaboo nonsense. Give them every rational argument in the world against their claims and they will just declare that you're "underestimating the enemy". Leave them to their devices and they say shit like this. Who's underestimating who? I hope you make it to China just to watch SpaceX wipe its ass with the chink space program.

[Anonymous No.12371950]

>>12371910
>Laughable. He looked bad on the news constantly
Shutting down the Florida shuttle mafia was too much for him to handle.

[Anonymous No.12371955]

>>12371317
>Also a reminder that the 747 max has been cleared for flight again only 3 days ago.
I AM READY.

[Anonymous No.12371956]

>>12371595
Anyone who can't see that Trump is a narcissistic petulant fraud is a moron.

[Anonymous No.12371963]

>>12371934
But they don't waste fuel on burning back to the landing site, right? meaning each mission would have a different free fall trajectory. A helicopter doesn't have much range, it needs to take off near the mission site. Do they dispatch a helicopter-carrier ship to the expected recovery site?

[Anonymous No.12371964]

>>12371956
No, that just means you're hallucinating.

[Anonymous No.12371967]

>>12371956
Okay? I never said he wasn't. I asked if you understood just what you're getting with the Senator from MBNA, author of the PATRIOT act and 1992 crime bill. You can do much, much worse than a President who accomplishes nothing but mean tweets and half a wall.

[Anonymous No.12371969]

>>12371955
WE GAAN

[Anonymous No.12371971]

>>12371956
Nobody is denying that, it's just that the alternative is bending over even more for CCP cock.

>>12371955
Well, they had more then a year to fix it, if they still keep dropping out of the sky at this point boeing CEO's should be shot down like the sick dogs they are.

[Anonymous No.12371982]

>>12371956
Most successful people in big business or the military are raging narcissists and bullies with psychopathic tendencies. That’s what makes them good at what they do. I don’t want to have a beer with the guy, I want him to do the job. And if you look at the scope of the office of the president and judge his performance by what the president is actually supposed to do, then he did a damn good job. Better than any president in our lifetime unless your like 50 some years old.

[Anonymous No.12371990]

>>12371964
Not even Trump pretends Trump isn't a narcissistic sociopath. You don't put your name on giant buildings out of modesty.

[Anonymous No.12371992]

>>12371640
Mankind ventures into space only to find he’s the only one who’s cruising around the galaxy. Essentially the trope of the “ancient galactic civilization that fell” is the story of humanity.

[Anonymous No.12372004]

>>12371640
The SLS leaves the ground on its own means.

[Anonymous No.12372006]

>>12371992
>alien explorers uncover humanity's ruins and trace the empire back to the sol system
>earth is a radioactive wasteland except africa which has returned to a tribal state and antactica which is uninhabited more like Iceland in climate than it's present state
>sun has expanded somewhat, mercury has been consumed
>venus is still venus
>mars has grand ruins of dome cities and a thin but breathable atmosphere, little life remains
>outer solar system is guarded by autonomous defense drone ships bearing the Neuralink logo, none dare venture closer
>alien explorers stumble on 4chan archive

[Anonymous No.12372013]

>>12371990
I'm not disagreeing about the narcissist part, every person who holds office is a a narcissist. The fraud is what I was responding to. What makes him a fraud?

[Anonymous No.12372015]

>>12371956
WOAH. TRUMP IS A MAN IN POWER, BIG POWER, HE BAD, HE ORANGE BAD MAN.
(You) got the attention you wanted, now go back to twitter, discord, reddit or whatever your meaningless ass came from.

[Anonymous No.12372043]

>>12371939
And they weren't even mean, I thought they were hilarious.

[Anonymous No.12372046]

>>12371956
Leaders are supposed to be narcissistic in a healthy way. If you want to see real malignant narcissism, read Hillary's or Obama's books.

[Anonymous No.12372051]

>>12371940
wait, bigger engines are more efficient? I could have sworn I heard the opposite, or that larger = worse T/W? My memory is dogshit goddamn.

[Anonymous No.12372058]

Hey so whatever happened to that Moon thing Elon and that weird Japanese guy was working on. Did they ever announce who was going? Was it cancelled?

[Anonymous No.12372063]

>>12372013
>What makes him a fraud?
Um.....
ORANGE MAN BAD

[Anonymous No.12372069]

>>12372058
Still in the pipeline.

[Anonymous No.12372071]

The likely demolition of the Arecibo Observatory makes me wonder, would it be more useful to have a giant radar dish that can rotate? Like, isn't being stuck facing straight up a major handicap for the observatory?
It could be more practical to assemble a replacement in space instead of on the ground.

Pros:
-Can point itself in any direction
-Far less mass required overall, as the structure only needs the strength to survive tidal forces and its own rotation
-Construction process is possibly easier, as the lack of need for strength means designs can focus on being easy to build instead of being strong (for example, the dish could be assembled by folding out rails and then sliding panels outwards along those rails, meaning astronauts can assemble the dish while staying at the centre of it)

Cons:
-Observatory must supply its own power for the radar
-It's really fucking bright if it's reflecting sunlight towards the ground

[Anonymous No.12372072]

>>12372071
Lunar Obsevatory

[Anonymous No.12372078]

>>12372071
>he doesn't know
>they're not telling us
>>12369894

[Anonymous No.12372090]

>>12372051
Larger is better in terms of TWR. The combustion chamber produces more trust the larger the nozzle bell is, but the pumps and piping do not need to grow proportionally. So larger engines have less supportive overhead.

However, larger is more problematic. The combustion is not as stable. Read about the F1 and the "controlled detonations" story. Larger engines can be a development hell.

[Anonymous No.12372159]

>>12372090
>bigger = better TWR
>raffs in Merlin

[Anonymous No.12372167]

>>12371956
Never said I loved him, but he isn’t as bad as the ((((((((((((news))))))))))))) makes him out to be. Have your (you)

[Anonymous No.12372191]

>>12372090
Additionally, bigger and fewer engines mean you have less redundancy.
If an engine fails, unless it's right in the centre, you have to disable the opposite engine to compensate.
If you have 1-3 engines, losing an engine means losing the rocket.
If you have 4 engines, losing an engine means losing half your thrust, which may or may not cost the mission depending on when it happens.
I'm no expert, but I figure you need at least 7 engines in order to be able to lose one at any stage of the mission and still be able to succeed.

[Anonymous No.12372202]

>>12371485
You have a handy-dandy cold gas thrust system comprised of your lungs and mouth.

[Anonymous No.12372225]

>>12371867
>aerothermal decelerator
No one knows exactly what it is yet. It’s probably so small that air drag is enough to slow it down to pop the chutes.

[Anonymous No.12372234]

>>12371956
Always the same few lazy mind virus words and phrases from you guys. You live in a socially constructed reality built from linguistic worms.

[Anonymous No.12372241]

>>12372191
You still might not reach orbit.
A Raptor engine alone weights 1.5 tons. Imagine carrying a dead ton to orbit.
Even so, in a multi-engine setup you can still recover the booster if some engine fails. Theoretically it should be possible to land the entire rocket including payload as long as TWR is > 1. The suicide burn just takes longer.

[Anonymous No.12372253]

>>12372159
It is not the TWR of the individual engine what gets better, it is the total TWR of the entire stage.

[Anonymous No.12372258]

>>12372225
AKA just point retro and let the drag slow you down.
Engines act as a heatshield of sorts.

[Anonymous No.12372289]

[Anonymous No.12372292]

>>12372253
You were talking about individual engines. Bigger is better for tankage, not for individual engines.

[Anonymous No.12372315]

>>12371894
Astra's rocket also has four engines.
I hope Launcher succeeds because they sound pretty respectable, but I think they'll be too late. The current smallsat market could probably support 3 companies. With more competitive rideshare, that'll probably become 1 or 2. Starship won't kill it entirely imo.

[Anonymous No.12372333]

>>12371459
Whats BN-1?

[Anonymous No.12372345]

>>12371568
They're not actually as far behind as most others. They're planning to launch the reusable long march 8 before the end of the year.

[Anonymous No.12372377]

>>12372292
Yes, a booster with a single big ass engine is more efficient than the same booster with many little engines.

[Anonymous No.12372435]

>>12372333
booster 1

[Anonymous No.12372436]

>>12372435
I thought that was called super SH SN-1?

[Anonymous No.12372437]

>>12372436
Honestly I'd think BN-1 would be better for it, to avoid confusion.

[Anonymous No.12372439]

>>12372333
benis-1

[Anonymous No.12372441]

>>12372439
Based

[Anonymous No.12372451]

>>12372289
>MFW People looking for kiichi artist accidentally find the kiichi NSFW one

[Anonymous No.12372458]

>>12372315
if launcher's claims are true their RP-1 engine is pretty insane. 365s vacuum isp? Damn. (https://launcherspace.com/engine-2))

And yeah the smallsat market is growing, but the competition is going to be ridiculous. I wonder if these companies are going to try and carve out a niche so that they don't have to compete 100% or if they're just going to go full survival of the fittest

[Anonymous No.12372462]

>>12372458
Honestly there is only going to be room for maybe one or two small sat launchers in the future, one of those is almost certainly Electron. Quite possibly none if SpaceX offers a rideshares bus that has integrated kick stages to get to your desired orbital plane/inclination.

[Anonymous No.12372465]

>>12372289
>Manned
Based nip

[Anonymous No.12372483]

>>12372462
Whatever happened to SpaceX's rideshare program? We haven't heard anything about this for a while.

[Anonymous No.12372491]

>>12372462
I think Starship is intended to be around $2 million per flight once it hits regular service. If they ever actually manage to reach that number, it'd be feasible for universities to pool resources and joint-buy cubesat launches.

[Anonymous No.12372501]

>>12371485
>You'd just be stuck there

You could swim

[Anonymous No.12372502]

>>12371670
>Because the CCP owns both all the tech companies and all the media. This isn't better

Yeah it is. Authoritarianism is a good idea.

[Anonymous No.12372503]

>>12371720
>Indians must own between 25 and 49% of a business that is trying to do business in India

That’s pretty awesome. Other countries could learn from that.

[Anonymous No.12372509]

>>12372483
They've had some rideshare launches already. There's going to be more in 2021.

[Anonymous No.12372517]

>Endeavour confirmed to be used for Crew-2 mission after NASA gave approval for SpaceX to launch humans in reused Dragons on reused Falcon 9
Neat. I wonder if this is being done as a redundancy measure incase Starliner fucked up again.

[Anonymous No.12372521]

>>12371720
OneWeb sucks though and would only serve a fraction of Indian clients compared to Starlink. This is like punishing your own population. Sometimes protectionism makes sense but this is just shooting yourself in the foot.

[Anonymous No.12372525]

>>12372502
Which is why Russian space program is on life support and China would never see a private equivalent of Starship (while the state-produced one would appear a decade after SpaceX, if ever)

[Anonymous No.12372534]

>>12372491
>If they ever actually manage to reach that number, it'd be feasible for universities to pool resources and joint-buy cubesat launches.
it'd be feasible for them to buy much more then cubesat launches anon (universities already do that). Also the goal now is 1 million per launch, and assuming they only ever reach 100 tons to LEO that still means 10$/kilogram. Universities could probably create their own small space stations at such prices. For example, a university could send a 50 ton space station into orbit for only 500000 dollars.

[Anonymous No.12372542]

>>12372517
Just read that starliner was delayed to 2021 because of more software problems also they brought in Spacex's software guy to head the project..

[Anonymous No.12372557]

>>12372435
>>12372439
>The duality of man

[Anonymous No.12372558]

>>12372517
Ugh if only NASA went with Dreamchaser instead of Boeing's half done crap.

[Anonymous No.12372586]

>>12372542
>also they brought in Spacex's software guy to head the project..
>Yeah ok so go ahead and delete every single line of code, fire Mumbai softcorp, hire some white guys and start over from scratch

[Anonymous No.12372588]

[Anonymous No.12372610]

With just how many starlink launches there are going to be do you think we will start seeing third party starlink form factor satellites much in the same way we have cubesats. It seems to me if you could make a satellite that can seamlessly just be shoved into a starlink stack you could probably get a pretty cheap launch cost from spacex. You could even make a starlink shaped tug that deploys a shitload of cubesats on the cheap.

[El Arcón No.12372613]

>>12372558
Being a present of past boeing employee is going to get your children fed to the maggots.

[Anonymous No.12372614]

>>12371460
Elon said that by the third launch Falcon 9 boosters print money.

[Anonymous No.12372619]

>>12371485
Literally exhale and you will accelerate. Just enjoy being able to relax for a minute without needing to touch anything.

[Anonymous No.12372626]

>>12372377
You are a seriously confused little person. TWR is TWR. Multiple Merlins to match an F1's absolute thrust still outmatch its TWR by just as much.

[Anonymous No.12372646]

>>12372377
Not true. The additional mass of the thrust structure needed to mount a cluster of smaller engines is real but not very big. Otherwise, it 100% comes down to engine TWR and engine Isp. Both of these factors are maximized in an engine with as high a combustion chamber pressure as you can manage, which is harder to manage at larger scales. Also, turbopumps scale weird and start to get proportionally heavier at larger scales. The ideal engine size is probably something around Raptor sized.

[Anonymous No.12372648]

>>12372315
>Astra's rocket also has four engines.
It has 5 first stage engines

[Anonymous No.12372677]

>>12372613
Am I having a stroke?
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12372690]

>>12370077
Checked, this is gonna be hilarious once it goes down

[Anonymous No.12372729]

God damn, NASA’s launching on spacex rockets like once a week now. Fucking lmao, the whole point of ULA was to be a reliable option that was basically forced by the DoD to form. And then some autistic south african savant comes out of nowhere and offers them a rocket that can launch more for cheaper

[Anonymous No.12372770]

If the boosters hit 10 flights how many flights could they actually hit before the basic material starts to break down. Is there a potential with the F9 for going 20~? Or is that kind of performance not expected of the material construction

[Anonymous No.12372780]

didn't they say they fixed this... multiple times....

[Anonymous No.12372819]

>>12372780
kek, fucking star shitizen. Sad to say I've spent a bunch of money in it and yet to witness any progress the past 2 years after getting in 7 years ago.

[Anonymous No.12372861]

>>12372770
How could a 4chan general possibly be expected to answer that?

[Anonymous No.12372886]

>>12372770
I think Elon mentioned not long ago they're yet to see any signs of wear&tear so possibly way past 10. The construction is aluminium so it will eventually develop fatigue cracks, but that's what inspections are for.

[Anonymous No.12372927]

>>12371786
>launch next year
kek

[Anonymous No.12372938]

shot from the launch today

[Anonymous No.12372944]

I miss Vandenburg twilight launches, I could see them all the way from Phoenix

[Anonymous No.12372949]

>>12372436
>>12372437
> would be
Doesn't matter, SpaceX themselves is using BN-X nomenclature.

[Anonymous No.12372976]

>>12372677
it's a /sci/ namefag
he's schizophrenic or something, generally an entertaining dude

[Anonymous No.12372990]

>>12371453
if memory serves me, the apollo astronauts usually said they preferred sleeping in the moon's gravity to both zero G and earth's gravity

[Anonymous No.12372993]

>>12372990
>ywn bunk in your comfy moon hammock with a geology bro

[Anonymous No.12372995]

>>12372990
What if partial-g is just absolute paradise for human physiology? Wouldn't that be a treat.

[Anonymous No.12372999]

Alright /sfg/- it's 2022, the ESA has been abandoned, meaning the Ariane 5 will no longer be flying, thus also ending the JWST.
You've been tasked with designing a telescope to be the foundation for the next generation of space telescopes. It must be more powerful than the JWST, somewhere within the Earth/Moon system (farthest it can be placed is in the Sun/Earth Lagrange points), and must be launched as one structure- so no orbital assembly. Those are your only restrictions. How do you best complete your mission to allow humanity to gaze into the cosmos like never before?

[Anonymous No.12373004]

>>12372995
>men become gods in partial-g

[Anonymous No.12373006]

>>12372999
make a hubble the size of the JWST, but put it in orbit of the moon like we were going to do with gateway if trump had gotten reelected

[Anonymous No.12373008]

>>12372999
A slightly bigger JWST launching on Starship, but I seek executive authority to beat the various project leads to death with a piece of rebar if they don't meet their deadlines. Also we're building two at the same time for redundancy.

[Anonymous No.12373013]

>>12372999
mass produce Starships with 9m optics, still kicks Hubble's ass and can be launched in huge numbers = more telescope time = more science

[Anonymous No.12373016]

I will graduate in 2 years with a aerospace engineering bsc, will I really have to learn mandarin? How likely is it that Biden will ruin our space industry?

[Anonymous No.12373032]

>>12373016
Outside of Artemis, the majority of interesting things happening in American the civil space sector are coming from SpaceX, which is largely insulated from the whims of individual administrations. Meanwhile, the military side of space is only going to expand for the foreseeable future. As the new Cold War escalates, congress will be perfectly content dumping cash into the aerospace sector to maintain America’s lead.

[Anonymous No.12373039]

>>12372999
uh LUVOIR-B launched on Starship but instead of one of them there's like twenty and they each weigh 100 tons and are serviceable by Starship
also instead of trying to uncrumple used MLI tissue for a sunshade they just use MLI stapled to a big folding board

[Anonymous No.12373041]

>>12373008
>only two
I need at least thirty of these things

[Anonymous No.12373045]

>>12373016
SpaceX works for the military and private customers, not the government. Not even Droolin' Joe would be allowed to interfere with those spy satellite contracts.

[Anonymous No.12373054]

>whitey on the moon
tsk tsk can't have any of that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9veiWVJevA

[Anonymous No.12373081]

Is the Chinaman gone?

[Anonymous No.12373086]

>>12372886

Metal fatigue is/was a problem for airplanes and just put the rocket through an X-ray scanner to detect any kind of cracks and replace any component that has it. In that way, rockets can and will become exactly like planes like mister Musk allways wanted them to be.

[Anonymous No.12373123]

>>12372465
Are you not supposed to say 'manned spaceflight' anymore? For all peoplekind guess!

[Anonymous No.12373130]

>>12372999
A liquid mirror telescope on the far side of the moon

[Anonymous No.12373138]

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[Anonymous No.12373145]

>>12373081
Escalator ate’em. His replacement will arrive in a few hours.

[Anonymous No.12373168]

[Anonymous No.12373169]

>>12372770
elon said they could probably go past 100 flights even with a falcon 9 but they have no reason to do so

[Anonymous No.12373178]

[Anonymous No.12373201]

>>12372542
>also they brought in Spacex's software guy to head the project..

[Anonymous No.12373202]

>>12373081
>>12373145
Why the China hate? Competition is a good thing. They're aiming for asteroid mining by 2040

[Anonymous No.12373205]

>>12373202
>space ladder
china can't even make a step ladder that lasts for longer than a few years
how tf are they gonna make a space ladder?

[Anonymous No.12373209]

>>12373202
>competition
>state owned
SpaceX is already working on China's 2035 roadmap goal and China hasn't even accomplished their 2020 goal

[Anonymous No.12373210]

>>12373202
assuming starship has its first commercial (non-spacex) launches in 2022 and has at least once a week launch cadence (the high cadence that will be required to fuel colonization fleets for mars transfer will have to use sea based launch pads which probably won't be ready until the late 2020s/early 2030s), i wonder when the first asteroid mining will occur

[Anonymous No.12373213]

>Ukraine is the ninth country that has signed the NASA Artemis Accords, the Ukrainian national space agency announced on its website, without giving further details.
>o far, Australia, Canada, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), the United Kingdom (UK), and the United States have signed the agreements.
Ukraine? why tho?

[Anonymous No.12373214]

is LUVOIR A or LUVOIR B the big one

[Anonymous No.12373216]

WOMANNED
SPACECRAFT

[Anonymous No.12373217]

>>12373202
>>12373205
>space ladder
Yeah I can't wait to see people just vanishing in the machinery. Oh and bits of it to spontaneously combust

[Anonymous No.12373218]

>>12373213
Ukraine can into space
they inherited a significant portion of the Soviet Union's space launch capabilities

[Anonymous No.12373219]

>>12373213
They have domestic space industry and need to stay on the good side of the US to ensure their survival as a nation

[Anonymous No.12373226]

>>12373213
>signing the Artemis Accords after Trump's already lost the election
it's just a PR move

[Anonymous No.12373231]

>>12373216
Excuse me, IT'S MA'AMED.

[Anonymous No.12373234]

>>12373209
The point is that China's space program is forcing the US to stay ahead. ESA, Russians and India are no competition. But China exploiting the solar system's resources before the US does is a threat that even the boomers in the US administration understand.

[Anonymous No.12373251]

>>12373226
>forgetting about the biden-ukraine scandal
this is just more ritual humiliation

[Anonymous No.12373257]

>>12372886
I know I'm massively oversimplifying, but is it fair to say a rocket would have far less fatigue cracking than an airliner? Very basically speaking, a rocket only really endures significant forces in one direction for a couple of minutes, within a well controlled region (ie. not launching when there's a lot of wind shear). Contrast with planes, which have to deal with all sorts of weather conditions, turbulence, loading in different directions and pressurisation/depressurisation cycles on the fuselage constantly.

[Anonymous No.12373265]

>>12373257
imagine the vibrations

[Anonymous No.12373267]

jeeez, these flaps are really booking it, huh
https://youtu.be/PnAPqdAqVCY

[Anonymous No.12373348]

>>12373257
>Diesel fueled rockets
Make it happen somehow /sfg/

[Anonymous No.12373357]

Would small pieces of ice evaporate in Earth orbit?
If so, it could make sense to have a big slab of ice in orbit that's just meant to act as a sponge for impacts from junk. The idea being that like everything else, it produces a spray of deadly debris when hit by deadly debris, but because it's ice the new debris is short lived, meaning it's replacing long-lived debris with short-lived debris.

[Anonymous No.12373359]

>>12373357
large pieces of ice evaporate in LEO as well

[Anonymous No.12373372]

>>12373359
Well, junk isn't a concern in LEO is it? Because small things deorbit pretty quickly.
If it's the interaction with the atmosphere that causes the evaporation of ice, then at the altitudes where junk is virtually permanent flecks of ice may not evaporate over a reasonable timeframe.

[Anonymous No.12373374]

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[Anonymous No.12373397]

>>12373257
For aluminium fatigue cracking is only a matter of load vs number of load cycles, so it depends entirely on design. Planes have decades of engineering behind them specifically to stop this from being an issue, rockets were single use until like a few years ago so it wasn't a problem for them as well. For reusable rockets it would be pretty much the same process of iterative design it was for planes I guess, except we know a lot more materials science now and have way better computers to model stuff before relying on it to not kill people and destroy expensive equipment.
Coincidentally, steel doesn't have this problem and will not crack no matter the amount of cycles so long you keep it below a certain load limit.

[Anonymous No.12373398]

[Anonymous No.12373399]

>>12373234
>The point is that China's space program is forcing the US to stay ahead.
Who is China's space program forcing to stay ahead, and how? Certainly not NASA, who are a joke at this point. SpaceX? I doubt they think much about China at all, it isn't their competition, they're far ahead even if it was, and their behavior is guided by their internal goals. BO, ULA/Boing/Lockmart? The competition they're thinking about is SpaceX. Even the smallsat launchers' main competition is SpaceX, China launches a bunch of smallsats but they're not a workable market so it literally doesn't matter.
Why are Chinaboos only capable of vague sweeping statements? "They have the willpower", "you're underestimating the enemy", "w-well what about competition", etc. When you get into the specifics of the merits of their ideas they either change the subject or don't respond.

[Anonymous No.12373401]

>>12373213
Ukraine will gladly eat shit if America tells them it will spite Russia

[Anonymous No.12373406]

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[Anonymous No.12373418]

>>12373123
Can't spell 'human' without 'man', checkmate

[Anonymous No.12373448]

first i was like....

[Anonymous No.12373453]

>>12373448
but then i was like....

[Anonymous No.12373460]

>>12370012
Whole of tribe need to breath bad smoke in closed cave.

[Anonymous No.12373470]

[Anonymous No.12373488]

[Anonymous No.12373496]

>>12373448
>>12373453

[Anonymous No.12373497]

>>12373348
You can do it it would just be impractical.
Extremely coke-heavy and inconsistent as fuck because it's basically RP1 plus a bunch of mystery meat.

[Anonymous No.12373500]

>>12373348
Read Ignition, the part about kerosene distillation.

[Anonymous No.12373504]

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[Anonymous No.12373617]

>>12373257
I doubt it but im no rocket scientist. The big issue that had to be solved way back in the day with cracking and fatigue with airplanes is the constant change in pressure and filling the cabin to 1 bar as you go up 7 miles. you have tanks that filled to 8 bar now and engines that undergo 30 bar

[Anonymous No.12373633]

>>12373617
>you have tanks that filled to 8 bar
sauce on F9 tank pressure?
8 bar was the pressure test for SS, with lots of headroom, not the operational pressure, but it's stainless so no worries about fatigue

[Anonymous No.12373645]

They should've made more ATVs. They were pretty kino and made the station look bigger

[Anonymous No.12373651]

>>12373202
>2020: rocket part dropping on local villages
>2045: space ladder pieces dropping on cities around the globe

[Anonymous No.12373658]

>>12373651
It's just not the same unless the space ladder uses hypergols.

[Anonymous No.12373668]

>>12373633
ah, the rp-1 and lox is filled at about 50 psi so like 3.5 bar
https://youtu.be/vVQyZn-VtXU
I just assumed they filled it up but they have turbopumps so no real need
even then the filling and emptying of the tanks would put stress on it

[Anonymous No.12373675]

I want to hear some good news

[Anonymous No.12373684]

>>12373675
Well, the ISS still has pressure and the people on it aren't dead. The two sample return missions are doing okay and heading home now, so that's pretty nice. Curiosity is getting closer to Mars and we'll get to see it land in a few more months godwilling. The sun is shining and the air tastes nice today.

[Anonymous No.12373685]

>>12373675
Some anon had sex some time ago

[Anonymous No.12373691]

>>12373684
>>12373685
It's great to hear some positivity

[Anonymous No.12373707]

>>12373675
Hayabusa 2 reenters in two weeks time
BepiColombo enters Mercury' orbit in a little over five years
JUICE & Europa Clipper might do stuff around Jupiter in ten years

[Anonymous No.12373731]

>>12373684
Perseverance not Curiosity, I think is what you meant
>>12373675
Check out this tweet from spacex. Idk if this is NASA people or spacex people commentating (sounds like both) but their reaction is really genuine and wholesome
https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1330201338593095684?s=21

[Anonymous No.12373764]

>>12372999
LUVOIR, but the head shield is place separately in in the Starship fairing, and the components dock to each other after unfolding.

[Anonymous No.12373771]

>>12373453
And I'm still mad that while Russians are about to complete their segment, Murica scrapped their original configuration, turning the much needed hab module to some ground laboratory.

[Anonymous No.12373795]

>>12372999
Why restrict oneself to a single launch?
>>12373130
When starship is launching ten times a day we can build a 2km wide reflector on the far side of the moon in 2035

[Anonymous No.12373800]

>>12373795
God I love the current design of starship, but that 1950's-style landing leg/fin was so fucking cool

[Anonymous No.12373818]

>>12373800
It was proposed that the lower stage lands without any legs to reduce turn-around time but that needs to be a very precise landing. I think they should take minimum 2 starships on any trip. Imagine gently tipping over over on landing and being trapped until your air runs out.

[Anonymous No.12373825]

>>12373818
>just 2
Elon wants to storm that shit like normandy

[Anonymous No.12373831]

>>12373818
>>12373825
the first human mission will pretty much just be setting up the beginnings of the colony, and i believe the crew will return, but eventually elon wants to be sending hundreds and later up to a thousand or more crewed starships to mars every synod with permanent colonists

[Anonymous No.12373837]

>>12373825
>sending more tonnage to Mars in one transfer window than the entirety of previous missions
Imagine the amount of anger from the "slow and steady, rovers only" crowd

[Anonymous No.12373857]

>>12373675
Trump will be out in a couple of months

[Anonymous No.12373860]

>>12373857
He said good news, not bad news. You're either legitimately retarded, or pic related.

[Anonymous No.12373881]

>>12372534
Or another way to put it.
You could put skylab into orbit for only ~750000$

[Anonymous No.12373882]

>>12373731
>https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1330201338593095684?s=21
Iwonder what Braun would've said if he ever managed to see rockets launching and landing like that

[Anonymous No.12373885]

>>12373857
Oh, great! Artemis 1 will be moved to 2028, Artemis 2 to 2032, and Artemis 3 will visit the Chinese moon base in 2036. That's some great news (for Chinese).

[Anonymous No.12373888]

>>12373857
>>12373860
whether its good or not can only be judged in hindsight
wait 3 years or so, any whinging or celebrations only betrays ones bias

[Anonymous No.12373920]

>>12373675
Things in the sky explode sometimes

[Anonymous No.12373921]

>>12373888
As part of my election platform I openly campaigned that I was going to stab you in the gut. I now reaffirm that I'm going to do it as president elect. Whether its good or not can only be judged in hindsight so do nothing while it happens and wait until you're either dead or fully recovered to pass any judgement on it as to not be biased.

[Anonymous No.12373943]

>>12373921
exactly
you never specified what you're going to stab me with
could be a gag knife or a magic dildo that grants immortality
and if you do end up murdering me, then it will be a solid precedent to not vote for someone with your platform ever again and make fun of those who voted for you

[Anonymous No.12373976]

>>12373943
No, you just ended up getting actually stabbed and dying of Sepsis. The person you would have voted for in my stead would have tortured you before doing even worse and your threat of not voting for me was meaningless when you're one out of billions of easily manipulated people and you're powerless to force real change, not that you'll be aware of that with the orgasmic pleasure of fence sitting and having the centrist pole shoved so far up your ass that you believe your lack of opinion or action is worth anything.

[Anonymous No.12373982]

>>12373825
Fucking based. Born too early to explore the Earth, born just in time to spread the seed to the planets

[Anonymous No.12374022]

>>12373982
You butchered that phrase pretty good there, kimosabi

[Anonymous No.12374037]

>>12373888
>whether its good or not can only be judged in hindsight

Democrats openly oppose human spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.12374081]

damn this thing is big

[Anonymous No.12374096]

>>12374037
Gotta fund Bidencare from something

[Anonymous No.12374104]

>>12374096
Enormous taxes

[Anonymous No.12374132]

>>12374096
It's Whitey On the Moon 2: Electric Boogaloo. When your political position is dependent on virtue signaling, you're obviously going to buckle when people ask you why you support spending money on space when there are so people without homes or whatever bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12374144]

once a good amount of celestial bodies have had enough colonization to become self sufficient, will right of conquest return to being used?

[Anonymous No.12374154]

>>12374144
Depends on how destructive the following wars will be. The whole reason why the Space Treaty was made because a space war could easily result in the Cold War turning hot

[Anonymous No.12374162]

>>12374132
>When your political position is dependent on virtue signaling, you're obviously going to buckle when people ask you why you support spending money on space when there are so people without homes or whatever bullshit.
Those "people" should be shown how much is being spent on social programs, and how little spaceflight spending is in comparison.

[Anonymous No.12374179]

>>12374144
If we had the ability to reach a good amount of celestial bodies and colonize them, attacking one of them so you could take it as your own would likely turn every faction against you even if you were previously allied. It's like being in never ending forest with just a few people and attacking someone for the tree they are cutting down instead of cutting down your own. Resources outside the solar system aren't scarce enough to create much conflict, thinking otherwise is a sci-fi LARP.

[Anonymous No.12374181]

>>12374162
Those people don't care about percentages, they only see tens of billions "wasted" on non-social programs.

[Anonymous No.12374184]

>>12374179
>t. Pacifist beta male

[Anonymous No.12374195]

>>12374184
Said the projecting sci-fi obsessed autist behind his keyboard.
>WOW IT WOULD BE SO HECKIN' COOL TO SEE EPIC SPACE BATTLES!!!!!1111 JUST LIKE MY VIDEO GAMES!

[Anonymous No.12374198]

>>12374195
>WOW IT WOULD BE SO HECKIN' COOL TO SEE EPIC SPACE BATTLES!!!!!1111 JUST LIKE MY VIDEO GAMES!

Yes.

[Anonymous No.12374203]

>>12373882
He said it's not his problem where he rocket lands

[Anonymous No.12374205]

>>12374181
I know. They're just targeting a very visible yet not very powerful industry to make themselves feel good. Like how some CEOs will complain about their workers costing too much while ignoring the layers of useless middle management. However, they shouldn't be allowed to continue to peddle their empty platitudes. Rebuttals should be swift, clear, and presented whenever such people voice their puddle deep nonsense.

[Anonymous No.12374209]

>>12374198
Well I'm sorry reality doesn't match your fantasies but if you actually get a life you may at least gain the ability to stop shitting yourself every time someone disagrees with you and your delusions.

[Anonymous No.12374214]

>>12374209
You’re a lot more invested in this argument than I am.

Try meditation. :)

[Anonymous No.12374218]

>>12373882
Unironically von braun would swoon over the falcon and join spacex to help with starship if he were still alive today

[Anonymous No.12374219]

>>12374218
Elon would probably reject him since he was an evil Nazi

[Anonymous No.12374225]

>>12374219
Nice one m8, elon has an office named Von Braun in california and has a portrait of him at his home in boca

[Anonymous No.12374229]

>>12374214
>Try meditation. :)

[Anonymous No.12374233]

>>12374225
Nice cope. All nazis are bastards. Spaceflight should only focus on the planet. Case closed.

[Anonymous No.12374237]

Reminder.

[Anonymous No.12374238]

>>12374229
>my PC
>desktop
>4chanargumentfolder
>Memes for Winning Arguments
>165161321632153156.png
Gay

[Anonymous No.12374239]

>>12374233
Is that the same daughter that was visibly not enjoying I-don't-remember-which event in a photograph during the Apollo era? Would be pretty if she were.

[Anonymous No.12374241]

>>12374233
why the FUCK can't you do both?

[Anonymous No.12374243]

>>12374233
>Spaceflight should only focus on the planet

Prove it.

[Anonymous No.12374244]

>>12374237
Another one.

[Anonymous No.12374245]

>>12372999
>it's 2022, the ESA has been abandoned
oh, come on
Europe is pretty pathetic, but we're not THAT bad

[Anonymous No.12374247]

>>12374233
I love Nazis

[Anonymous No.12374249]

>>12374245
>Europe is pretty pathetic, but we're not THAT bad

You’ll probably shape up once it becomes a caliphate and all the soulless atheists get killed.

[Anonymous No.12374252]

>>12374162
Democrats doesn't care abou bigt white boys playing with their space toys, when Tyrese can't find a job and have six children to feed. And Biden knows damn well he got sent into the office to feed Tyrese and his children, not to land Karen on the Moon. In comparison, Chinese government doesn't care if millions are starving. When Chairman Xi say there will be a moon base, there will be one.

[Anonymous No.12374254]

>>12374245
Behold, the delusional Europoor in it's natural environment.

[Anonymous No.12374257]

>>12374245
That anon does have a point. ESA may be lame, but it's the EU's SLS. They're not going to abandon it.

[Anonymous No.12374261]

>>12374252
Then why not feed Tyrone and put Karen on the moon? Spaceflight is getting cheaper thanks to private spaceflight, and the problems with social programs clearly aren't due to funding.

[Anonymous No.12374264]

>>12374238
I actually just downloaded it a few minutes ago just because it's hilarious to see how upset you're getting by all this. Notice how it isn't a real 4chan filename.

[Anonymous No.12374298]

>>12374261
Boing can't into space, Artemis doesn't have a lander yet, and using Starship as a lander is still bigger sci-fi, than having a working SLS.

[Anonymous No.12374299]

>>12374298
You're forgetting about Dynetics' lander

[Anonymous No.12374304]

>>12374299
I don't.

[Anonymous No.12374308]

>>12374254
>fuck urf
>fuck boing

gets me every time

[Anonymous No.12374310]

New bred
>>12374309
>>12374309
>>12374309
>>12374309

[Anonymous No.12374319]

>>12374298
>using Starship as a lander is still bigger sci-fi, than having a working SLS
How so?

[Anonymous No.12374326]

>>12371786
What's so hard for you people to understand about youth public outreach?

[Anonymous No.12374338]

>>12374239
If she’s the oldest daughter, yeah. It’s some pic from a statue desiccation in Huntsville iirc.

[Anonymous No.12374615]

>>12374229
These new onions jack pics are trying to hard.

[Anonymous No.12374650]

>>12374179
i disagree, i think there would be some agreement on rules of engagement but i don't think war is going to magically disappear
>>12374209
you used a basedjack you're one to talk