/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.12777829]

Europa edition
Pervious: >>12774598

[Anonymous No.12777831]

https://www.strawpoll.me/42726062

[Anonymous No.12777835]

a somewhat quick doodle. Do your best tomorrow SN10!

[Anonymous No.12777842]

>>12777835
GO SN10, GO!

[Anonymous No.12777845]

fuck boing and fuck urf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsnQOC1rlik

[Anonymous No.12777846]

>>12777829
50/50 chance it lands tomorrow. I’m betting it either works or fails because of some weird issue that no one saw coming.

[Anonymous No.12777850]

neutron heavy

[Anonymous No.12777853]

The farmer anon document:https://docdro.id/uGf3k1F

[Anonymous No.12777855]

>>12777850

[Anonymous No.12777860]

[Anonymous No.12777861]

>>12777846
inb4 sn10 fails because the pork god threw a pallet of $100 bills at it

[Anonymous No.12777868]

>>12777850
>at least 16,000kg to orbit, 4.5m fairing, human rated
That thing is BEGGING for a fully reusable spaceplane upper stage if it ever gets built.

[Anonymous No.12777877]

>>12777829
What did Gwynn Shotwell mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12777878]

>>12777855
Don't talk to me or my son ever again

[Anonymous No.12777882]

>>12777877
wishful thinking

[Anonymous No.12777883]

>>12777845
based and unity pilled

[Anonymous No.12777885]

>>12777877
Producing Orions with Martian nuclear material

[Anonymous No.12777887]

>>12777829
Some dude redesigned the SSTO from Interstellar to make it more realistic. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.12777888]

Titan BOAT

[Anonymous No.12777889]

>>12777887
w i d e

[Anonymous No.12777891]

https://youtu.be/yBLdQ1a4-JI

[Anonymous No.12777892]

>>12777887
Radiation shield probably needs to be 4x bigger.

[Anonymous No.12777894]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/spacex-building-starlink-manufacturing-factory-in-austin-texas.html

New Starlink manufacturing plant will be created in Austin,TX.

>millions of consumer facing devices

[Anonymous No.12777895]

>>12777877
The people on the other solar system would be completely separate from here this is so weird

[Anonymous No.12777896]

>>12777877
Project Orion was started in 1958, Shotwell was born in 1963. A bit late for her lifetime.

[Anonymous No.12777899]

>>12777887

[Anonymous No.12777901]

>>12777899
Based and checked.

[Anonymous No.12777902]

>>12777855
I think there's a >0 chance that RocketLab licenses the Merlin engine for Neutron. Think about it
>already in production, but being phased out
>last generation product
>cheap
>about the right thrust for Neutron
>fantastic TWR, proven reusability
>only way to develop engines in time for a 2024 launch

[Anonymous No.12777907]

>>12777887
PaperStar

[Anonymous No.12777914]

>>12777883
It's actually my first project in UE4, but the way it was made was so simple it might as well have been with Unity

[Anonymous No.12777917]

>>12777855
How long would it take Boca to build a Neutron?

[Anonymous No.12777918]

>>12777902
Neutron is a meme yet so many are sucking off RocketLab

[Anonymous No.12777922]

>>12777902
All the renders show fewer than nine engines, on a wider rocket core.

[Anonymous No.12777925]

>>12777917
A week or so to assemble the parts, another 2 week to test out cryo/engine, 1 week of delay, launch on 4th week.

If they have 4 of these process going at same time, that's 1 launch every week.

[Anonymous No.12777930]

>>12777922
Neutron is thicc but stubby, like my benis

[Anonymous No.12777932]

>>12777918
Because RocketLab is still miles ahead of anyone but SpaceX. Neutron will fly before New Glenn.

[Anonymous No.12777934]

>>12777926
Surely they mustve changed their genes thru all that time, they just look the same

[Anonymous No.12777939]

>>12777932
Neutron flies in NET 2024

[Anonymous No.12777946]

>>12777902
>selling engines to a direct competitor
Literally no reason, also in the long term it would be absolutely retarded for RL to rely on external engine production and end up like ULA

[Anonymous No.12777960]

>>12777696
I was down until they starting sucking off that piece of fucking shit rocket

>"the daily efforts of THOUSANDS of suppliers from all across this country and around the world fed into stunning milestones and laid the ground work... for history"
>unironically bragging about contract corruption and pretending like they haven't fucked up literally every milestone
oh fuck off

>and now... it [Artemis] has a heartbeat
yeah, until they ride that thing.

[Anonymous No.12777962]

[Anonymous No.12777969]

>>12777962
>Being built by engineers is a good thing

[Anonymous No.12777971]

12777962
imagine trying this hard and not getting a single (you)

[Anonymous No.12777974]

https://dearmoon.earth/pre-reg.html

Did you fags sign up?

[Anonymous No.12777976]

>>12777962
kek

[Anonymous No.12777979]

>>12777939
Yes, which is before New Glenn will realistically fly

[Anonymous No.12777984]

>>12777974
I am too uncreative to ever be considered

[Anonymous No.12777990]

>>12777962
>cheap manufacturing methods
>SLS
I didn't know hiring High Elves to hand-file aluminum isogrids and Mormon Jedi to bend the isogrid sections into tankage using the Force was considered low cost

[Anonymous No.12777991]

>https://www.yahoo.com/news/spacex-once-left-rocket-engineers-170705974.html
More exerpts from Berger's books.

>But during that first year on the island, Berger wrote, "logistics were poor." Supply deliveries were often delayed, and the workers sometimes went without food.
>One day in the fall of 2005, tensions boiled over into mutiny. The employees went on strike to force an emergency supply drop and were eventually quelled with chicken wings and cigarettes.
>'We were just wild animals on the island, waiting for food'

KEK

[Anonymous No.12777994]

>>12777946
If I were SpaceX I'd be willing to take the gamble that they won't be able to do it by the time Starship makes Neutron completely redundant.

[Anonymous No.12778006]

>>12777962
ahem

[Anonymous No.12778009]

>>12777991
The Heart of Darkness

[Anonymous No.12778012]

https://youtu.be/izGwDsrQ1eQ

[Anonymous No.12778015]

>>12777829
>”Musk traveled to his South Texas rocket factory in mid-September 2019 to track progress of SpaceX’s Starship vehicle, the culmination of nearly two decades of effort to move humans from Earth to Mars. Weeks earlier, Starhopper soared into the clear skies above the coastal scrubland, located just this side of the Mexico border. And then, it very nearly crashed. Luckily, the Federal Aviation Administration had restricted the flight’s maximum altitude to five hundred feet, so when engineers lost control during Starhopper’s descent its landing legs merely crushed through the pad’s steel-reinforced concrete, rather than erupting into a ball of flame. Musk laughed at this thought. For much of SpaceX’s lifetime he has fought against regulators, always seeking to go faster, to push higher. “This time,” he quipped, “the FAA saved us.”
Cant believe we almost lost hoppy

[Anonymous No.12778019]

>>12777835
she's hot

[Anonymous No.12778023]

>>12777991
Based proto weyland-yutani

[Anonymous No.12778024]

>>12778015
a doomed timeline just barely averted.

[Anonymous No.12778026]

>>12778015
Did you not see the underskirt shots from the trespassing madman? Hoppy was FUCKED.

[Anonymous No.12778030]

>>12777991
Article as webm format

[Anonymous No.12778033]

>>12778030
but why

[Anonymous No.12778037]

>>12778033
Pure coping

[Anonymous No.12778040]

>>12777991
>Berger's telling of SpaceX's beginnings is packed with anecdotes that haven't been previously reported, such as Elon Musk's first encounter with a Pop-Tart
Okay, I guess I need to get the book now

[Anonymous No.12778047]

NOOOOOOO why is everyone moving out of CA!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.12778050]

>>12778047
inb4 Texas gets fucked by the same people

[Anonymous No.12778055]

>>12777991
>>12778040
Its hilarious. Tim Buzza had to bribe the army helicopter with booze so pilot could get close enough to landing pad to drop the fried chicken/cigs for the employees. LMAO

[Anonymous No.12778059]

>>12778047
because they voted for dumbfuck policies and want to escape the consequences – they'll vote for the exact same policies wherever they go, leaving a trail of political destruction

we call these "people" leftists

[Anonymous No.12778060]

>>12778050
very based

[Anonymous No.12778064]

>>12777994
So they sell engines
Make like 200 million dollars
And then they lose all that money plus more when RocketLab takes one NASA/dod contract

[Anonymous No.12778068]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsIhTw0CK8U

Latest NASA SLS damage control video.

[Anonymous No.12778070]

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4130/1

Berger's book review

[Anonymous No.12778080]

>>12778026
certainly could have been much worse, but damn, that shit was gnarly

[Anonymous No.12778082]

>>12777960
>yeah, until they ride that thing.
inb4

[Anonymous No.12778086]

>>12778040
>Elon, sir, this is a pop-tart. It's the only food we have on the island right now, I know you pref-
>It will suffice. The only human foods I am familiar with are green beans and the substance known as 'sour cream,' I must expand my Earth-borne diet. Hm, yes, this seems rather calorically dense. Excellent.
>Sir, you need to remove the wrapper, first

[Anonymous No.12778087]

>>12778068
Think of the contractors and their families

[Anonymous No.12778092]

>>12778068
Another 2 billion dollar youtube video

[Anonymous No.12778093]

>>12778086
Invader Elon

[Anonymous No.12778104]

>>12778064
This is not how you do the calculation. You need to take into account how that 200 million dollars can grow when invested into Starship at this critical stage. And you make the safe bet that Neutron will be delayed at least 4 years, maybe more. Also take into account what is going to happen to the Merlin production facilities and staff. If they're going to be sitting around doing nothing you're losing money. If you fire talented engineers because you can't find a place for them and they go and work for a competitor you're losing money. There are a lot of things that need to be considered and I find it hard to believe they couldn't end up positive on the other end.

[Anonymous No.12778107]

>>12778082
I'm genuinely concerned that this will be the outcome. Would be potentially devastating for spaceflight and give the "focus on earth" dipshits some very potent ammo. In such a case it would be up to spacex once again to restore the public's faith and help them realize that boeing's corruption is not representative of spaceflight as a whole

[Anonymous No.12778118]

>>12778107
it cannot be stated enough: fuck boeing

[Anonymous No.12778123]

I know it’s not even on the table but I wish so badly to see rocketlab make a homebrew capsule to stick up on neutron

[Anonymous No.12778124]

>>12777962
>Built by engineers
Built by committee is the actual sad truth.

[Anonymous No.12778127]

>>12777831
whoever voted venus kys

[Anonymous No.12778146]

>>12778107
Why should it cause an uproar or major complaining? Nobody gives a shit whenever a plane drops out of the sky and kills a couple hundred people, Boeing did it a couple times, it’s happened all over the world and people just accept that yes it happens and early aircraft were notorious for killing literally 10s of thousands of people. Go check the US Air Force casualties for ww2 and you will realise that with new tech and equipment you will always have teething problems before it becomes reliable.

Spacecraft are still in their infancy and Spacex is no exception, they will lose people in the journey to colonise the solar system. Anybody that acts up over this stuff is either a fool or intentionally trying to hold man back for some malicious reason.

[Anonymous No.12778147]

>Flight TFRs and road closures confirmed for March 3-5th
>Residents told to evacuate
Hoppening.

[Anonymous No.12778150]

>>12777974

[Anonymous No.12778153]

>>12778150
Kek

[Anonymous No.12778155]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/03/so-what-really-happened-with-blue-origins-new-glenn-rocket/
Article by Berger on why New Glenn is taking so long.
>Way back in 2017 Bezos was told NG was a 2022 program at best
>Bezos didn't buy it
>now it's due 2023+
>Blue Origin blamed the delay on the DoD
"Who does that?" asked one former employee of the company. "That excuse makes no sense."

Overall NG's slow development can be traced to two things:
>1. At first they were going to build a F9 competitor, but decided instead to skip a node and go straight to New Glenn.
>Imagine if SpaceX skipping the F9 and went straight to Starship. Wouldn't work.
>2. New Glenn just isn't a priority. Getting ULA their BE-4 engines was top priority. And Bezos REALLY wants to win the lunar lander contract. That leaves NG in 3rd place.
So basically they've set themselves up with a nearly impossible task and then refused to assign appropriate resources to make it happen. I

[Anonymous No.12778164]

>>12778155
so there exists a reality where Neutron was a Blue Origin program called New Gagarin and flew in 2019?

[Anonymous No.12778166]

>>12778155
I always thought that Blue was over expanded. They have a half dozen projects running at the same time despite having only a few hundred people. Anyhow it seems like Blue’s delays aren’t THAT bad as New Glenn was internally slated for 2022 anyways, but still, get fucked

[Anonymous No.12778167]

>>12777991
is the book actually good? I don't want to read some casually written, first person shit again. i made the mistake of buying a book about the shuttle written by a professor at my uni and it was just his personal ramblings about his feelings about space

[Anonymous No.12778171]

>>12778167
It has lot of unique insights into the minds of SpaceX/Musk/their engineers at work.

Its absolutely worth it imo. Not only to pass time, but to learn from it. To be successful, you need a goal. The goal is other successful people/company/etc. Learn from their way of thinking/doing/acting.

[Anonymous No.12778173]

Anyone else losing interest in NASA because of how hard they’re pushing the women/minorities shit?

A black man and a woman are going to be the first people on the moon in the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.12778176]

>>12778030
>>12777991
yet another excerpt. This time focused on Shotwell: https://www.wired.com/story/how-elon-musk-gwynne-shotwell-join-spacex/

[Anonymous No.12778177]

>>12777934

Nope. Same as they were 250 million years ago. That's what a living fossil is dude. Zero evolutionary development. They're basically the biggest chads on the Earth.

The planet nearly ended and they're like "fuck you, you can't kill me."

And along come us, and are exploiting them in ways that nature never intended and are going to kill them all. Shame.

[Anonymous No.12778180]

>>12778146
>Why should it cause an uproar or major complaining?
>intentionally trying to hold man back for some malicious reason
You answered your own question

[Anonymous No.12778182]

>>12778166
2023 is just a first prototype flight
What about practicing landings, which have to succeed since their rocket is way too fucking expensive.
There will obviously be failures, since it’s a new rocket from a company that hasn’t made a rocket before
Launch rate will start off quite slow

[Anonymous No.12778183]

>>12778173
Nah, I gave up on them long before this IdPol nonsense started to spread into them. They were already on the wrong path to get anything productive done, they were on the wrong path ever since they decided to stop using Saturn V.

[Anonymous No.12778184]

>>12778173
>A black man and a woman are going to be the first people on the moon in the 21st century
source

[Anonymous No.12778185]

>>12778177
>And along come us, and are exploiting them in ways that nature never intended

We are a part of nature.

[Anonymous No.12778187]

>>12778171
I guess I'll pay up. fuck you berger

[Anonymous No.12778188]

>>12778166
>I always thought that Blue was over expanded.
just like their exhaust lmao
>They have a half dozen projects running at the same time despite having only a few hundred people.
Jeff is trying to run it like Amazon where a <16 man team can own a microservice end to end.

[Anonymous No.12778189]

>>12778177
>biggest chads on earth
>and then humans rolled up and started stealing their fucking blood to make magic potions
humanity will be the galactic boogeyman if FTL is possible

[Anonymous No.12778192]

>>12778167
You can find a few excerpts on different sites to see if the prose works for you.
https://spacenews.com/book-excerpt-liftoff-elon-musk-and-the-desperate-early-days-that-launched-spacex/

[Anonymous No.12778193]

>>12778177
>Nope. Same as they were 250 million years ago.

Literally impossible.

> And along come us, and are exploiting them in ways that nature never intended and are going to kill them all. Shame.

It’s basically a big woodlouse dude who gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.12778195]

>>12778173
reminder that civilization won't survive if we don't move past the race shit. we have to equalize the US racial demographics asap

[Anonymous No.12778198]

Have there been animal breeding experiments in space or is NASA too cucked for that?

[Anonymous No.12778200]

>>12778195
Retard-tier post.

[Anonymous No.12778202]

>>12778198
There probably were, but public wont be made aware due to the controversial nature of it.

[Anonymous No.12778204]

>>12778195

[Anonymous No.12778205]

>>12778198
>experiment shows that animals can't produce viable offspring in <1g
>space exploration cancelled forever
yeah let's avoid this

[Anonymous No.12778206]

>>12778185

Up to the point of not fucking over the planet. Given that we as a species have crossed that threshold are basically stamping on the accelerator peddle in our race car towards a massive wall called climatic species extinction, we're no longer a part of nature. We're becoming aberrational.

[Anonymous No.12778208]

>>12778195
I know people here don’t like this mindset but I really wish people just respected each other’s skin colors but didn’t make a big deal about it. Sadly, we have fuckers like BLM who shit all over that

[Anonymous No.12778207]

>>12778198
Frog eggs have been fertilized and hatched in orbit, and a pregnant rat spent part of her gestation up there too

No substantial effects in either case except shittier sense of balance, because sense of balance relies directly on gravity

[Anonymous No.12778209]

>>12778195
>move past the race shit
I know, let's try another 15 Marshall Plans worth of aid to Africa. They'll become "developed" this time!

[Anonymous No.12778210]

>>12778206
we'll figure it out

[Anonymous No.12778213]

>>12778202
Haha how many fish and birds are killed each launch and they dont wanna breed a few rats. Have other agencies done some experiments

[Anonymous No.12778214]

>>12778198
there has been one (1) experiment where they brought some pregnant rats to space

[Anonymous No.12778216]

>>12778173
>losing faith in them now
you're late to the party, anon. JPL is great but that's about it.
>A black man and a woman are going to be the first people on the moon in the 21st century.
Focus instead on the individual. I'd be a bit sore if it were some mindjacked lib, but I doubt that'll be the case. Victor is great, for instance.

[Anonymous No.12778217]

>>12778206
>hippie on /sci/

Nature is either bullshit in our way or resources to exploit. Climate change is a meme.

We should completely destroy every planet and turn them into space habitats

[Anonymous No.12778220]

>>12778193
>It’s basically a big woodlouse dude who gives a fuck
Are you Chinese?

[Anonymous No.12778221]

>>12778208
Race isn't about skin color. Jews can look as white as they'd like but they simply think differently. They literally have separate genes that encode for a different type of intelligence.

[Anonymous No.12778222]

>>12778189
>humanity will be the galactic boogeyman if FTL is possible
>humanity spends centuries worrying about what ayys with a billion year head start can do
>turns out they're all living fossils and haven't had to fight off competitors within their little bubbles of space since Venus was habitable
>one crashlands in China and the locals eat it with onions sauce

[Anonymous No.12778223]

>>12778217
climate change will unironically destroy civilization if not addressed to an extent

[Anonymous No.12778224]

>>12778188
it's pretty clear that his amazon experience didn't translate well into spaceflight. Not sure if they're just different or if retail is just a fucking joke

[Anonymous No.12778225]

With RocketLab on track to BTFO BO, I’m humbly requesting pics of everyone’s favorite hobbit to start my folder.

[Anonymous No.12778226]

>>12778216
The great news is that pretty much every astronaut is cool. Victor Glover is a model citizen the dudes a vet, has been married to the same woman his whole life, etc.

[Anonymous No.12778229]

>>12778192
It’s written like a fucking Wes Anderson transcript

[Anonymous No.12778231]

>>12778220
I’m a white American. Do you actually care about what are essentially giant dust mites or are you joking?

[Anonymous No.12778233]

>>12778224
amazon was a fluke. right place, right time

[Anonymous No.12778234]

>>12778225
RocketLab is dying that’s why they made Neutron lol

[Anonymous No.12778235]

>>12778224
The retail side of the company is widely considered inferior by AWS engineers, and Andy Jassy had a LOT of autonomy to build AWS.

[Anonymous No.12778236]

>>12778223
>Arguing with right wing schizos
Don't even bother

[Anonymous No.12778239]

>>12778226
yeah, I'd be fine with any of them. With how shit our elites are it can be easy to forget that the people lower down are generally really cool

[Anonymous No.12778241]

>>12778223
Actually schizo.

[Anonymous No.12778242]

Would the poles or equator be the best place to put a colony on Mars?

[Anonymous No.12778243]

>>12778223
It unironically wouldn't. It could kill or displace a few billion, but we'd mostly be fine.

[Anonymous No.12778247]

>>12778225

[Anonymous No.12778248]

>>12778239
One struggle is not a meme, unironically

[Anonymous No.12778250]

>>12778236
>it gets warmer
>civilization mysteriously disappears because humans can’t handle it being slightly warmer on average despite humans inhabiting all land biomes
>people unironically believe this and consider such an absurd belief to be scientific

[Anonymous No.12778251]

>>12778243
reddit tier cringe post

[Anonymous No.12778254]

>>12778250
>oversimplify the problem
>draw simplistic conclusions
very smart and intelligent

[Anonymous No.12778255]

>>12778243
>western civilization is crumbling because of existing levels of immigration
>civilization won't collapse if billions of starving niggers swarm Europe and North America
pick one

[Anonymous No.12778256]

>>12778250
>Climate change = Things just get a bit warmer
I'd expect this brainlet take on shitposting boards, but not /sci/
Get some help anon.

[Anonymous No.12778260]

>>12778251
You’ve never considered the practical aspects of, well, anything if you think climate change could destroy civilization.

[Anonymous No.12778266]

>>12778254
There is no problem. If conditions change, we adapt to those conditions. Since humans inhabit every kind of land biome, from the Sahara to the arctic forests to the ice sheets and the jungles and everywhere else, we’re fully capable of doing so. Especially with modern technology.

[Anonymous No.12778267]

>>12778260
Ok, nobody literally means human extinction. but it could set humanity back centuries and might permanently kneecap technological progress

[Anonymous No.12778270]

>>12778255
There’s a lot more to civilization than the “west”. Even Africans have civilization, surprisingly.

[Anonymous No.12778271]

>>12778255
One would hope the US would have the good sense to refuse refugees and just let Europe die.
If not, there are still a few decades left to escape to the Moon, which is what I'll be doing.

[Anonymous No.12778274]

>>12778270
Africa does not have a civilization capable of making life multiplanetary. China would if they weren't communist. Europe is dying, America is at a crossroads.

[Anonymous No.12778276]

Say hi to the hivemind studying these archives in a few centuries

[Anonymous No.12778277]

>>12778256
It’s in the name, brainlet. “Global warming” means it gets warmer. In practice this means that biomes shift around, but since we can live in any biome anyway, it’s a non-issue. Plant species used in agriculture can be changed on a per-location basis to better match new conditions, and if necessary even genetically altered. We genetically manipulate plants all the time.

[Anonymous No.12778282]

>>12778277
the fact that we still can't make western (that is, modern) agriculture work in the climate of africa and central america should tell you something

[Anonymous No.12778283]

>>12778276
hi

[Anonymous No.12778286]

>>12778223
You are unironically an idiot. Climate change is the norm for earth, not an exceptional one-off event. Our ancestors survived every single major climate shifts (along with a few apocalyptic ones) buck naked. The human species itself is fine and and 'civilization' is a methodology, not an organ. It can't be killed and it's not going away.

[Anonymous No.12778287]

>>12778164
>New Gagarin
kek

[Anonymous No.12778289]

>>12778104
ANOTHER THING I just thought of that would be huge for SpaceX: once other companies get their shit together on launching constellations SpaceX will 100% get hit with anti-trust lawsuits if they refuse to put another company's competing constellation in orbit. If SpaceX can help a competitor get to market and ensure an alternative exists, they can avoid those lawsuits and keep a competitive edge on the market. Neutron is already being billed as a constellation workhorse rocket, so it would make plenty of sense and save SpaceX a ton of money.

[Anonymous No.12778293]

>>12778267
How so? Nothing about warmer conditions inherently discourage technological “progress”, if you buy into the “progress” meme.

[Anonymous No.12778294]

>>12778276
Unironically kill yourself, Space Chang.

[Anonymous No.12778295]

>>12778225
SpaceX is talking about starship in orbit this year and BO or RL are talking about STARTING their falcon 9 competitors

[Anonymous No.12778297]

>>12778282
Who the fuck is 'we'? Rhodesia was doing well enough to breed it's own horde of orcs.

[Anonymous No.12778299]

>>12778267
Noone living on the equator is a driver of “human progress”

[Anonymous No.12778302]

>>12778282
Africa has weird conditions that make the practices of the “Green Revolution” not work as well, but those same ideas kicked ass in India.

[Anonymous No.12778306]

>>12777829
have you guys been watching the second season?

[Anonymous No.12778310]

>>12778306
Yeah, it's been pretty meh with a lot of "why the fuck would you do that you dumb fucking bitch" moments.

[Anonymous No.12778315]

>>12778306
Not only has it sucked but it is also really bad

[Anonymous No.12778316]

>>12778150
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

[Anonymous No.12778317]

I hope she makes it back bros... I'm tired of saying goodbye

[Anonymous No.12778320]

>>12778317

[Anonymous No.12778321]

>>12778317
Hail Mary, full of grace...

[Anonymous No.12778323]

>>12778317
>wearing face diaper in fagbook picture
LOOK AT ME I'M UH REPONZIBUL PERSUN

[Anonymous No.12778326]

>>12778294
Based

[Anonymous No.12778331]

>>12778323
holy obsessed

[Anonymous No.12778333]

>>12778317
>>12778320
Make a ship, treat her proper; she’ll BRAAAAAP until an engine fuck up makes her an hero onto the concrete pad.

[Anonymous No.12778334]

>>12778321
are those astronauts to scale? wow

[Anonymous No.12778335]

>>12778334
Clones of Big Jim

[Anonymous No.12778336]

>>12778321
why is this convoluted shit necessary/a good idea again?

[Anonymous No.12778339]

>>12778317
>1998
>that hairline
oh no no no

[Anonymous No.12778341]

>>12778321
We did all of this with ONE fucking rocket back in the 70’s that brought everything it needed. This is sad

[Anonymous No.12778342]

>>12778331
Give me one good reason other than virtue signalling to wear the cloth petri dish for a photograph.

[Anonymous No.12778345]

>>12778339
That has to be something different, like the year he got married or something. I was born in 1998 and that man looks at least 10 years older than me

[Anonymous No.12778347]

>>12778342
I got suspended for not wearing my mask at some

[Anonymous No.12778350]

>>12778317
Oh, I bid farewell to the port and the land
And I paddle away from brave England's white sands
To search for my long ago forgotten friends
To search for the place I hear all sailers end

As the souls of the dead fill the space of my mind
I'll search without sleeping 'til peace I can find
I fear not the weather, I fear not the sea
I remember the fallen, do they think of me?
When their bones in the ocean forever will be

[Anonymous No.12778352]

>>12778345
his twitter bio says he graduated high school in 2017
I feel bad for him honestly

[Anonymous No.12778362]

>>12778345
'98 chads rise up. I've always wondered where this places us on /sfg/. We certainly are on the younger side but are we the youngest? I don't like the idea of being the twerps.

[Anonymous No.12778365]

>>12778347
>I got punished therefor I must obey.
There are farm animals with a greater degree of capacity for self-determination than you, maskoid.

[Anonymous No.12778369]

>>12778347
So your work was making you virtue signal.

[Anonymous No.12778371]

>>12778365
I’m going down the Pre-Med path I can’t get in trouble or else Med schools won’t want me. I already have it on my permanent record anyways.

>>12778350
She’s gonna stick the landing

[Anonymous No.12778376]

Dubs and SN10 fails too, crashing on landing

[Anonymous No.12778383]

>>12778376
Dubs and she makes it then I fuck your asshole

[Anonymous No.12778385]

>>12778376
Trips and SN10 lands, takes off again, and crashes into the BO cuck-hanger

[Anonymous No.12778386]

>>12778383
Dubs and SN10 FUCKING DIES

[Anonymous No.12778387]

>>12778306
missed opportunity to put a .50 on a lunar rover

fucking technical rover, someone draw this shit lol

[Anonymous No.12778388]

>>12778376
>>12775963
Two failed assassination attempts on a slow board, sad

[Anonymous No.12778390]

>>12778334
Attack on Moon Titans

[Anonymous No.12778392]

>>12778376
dubs and SNX does epic monki flip.

[Anonymous No.12778398]

>>12778371
Do you believe in science? What is the science behind wearing a mask at home alone while on a teleconference?

[Anonymous No.12778400]

Dubs and SN10

[Anonymous No.12778402]

>>12778398
Bruh I’m not wearing a mask because I want to I’m doing it because I’ll get shit on by my school

[Anonymous No.12778404]

>>12778371
Think carefully before deciding to become a medfag anon. I am studying for the MCAT right now and it is soul crushing.

[Anonymous No.12778405]

>>12778400
I guess we'll have to wait and see

[Anonymous No.12778409]

>>12778400
Holy shit SN10 is

[Anonymous No.12778411]

>>12778400

[Anonymous No.12778414]

>>12778400
And SN10 what?

[Anonymous No.12778415]

>>12778387
Not quite what you're looking for but I've had this pic for a while. Hopefully Cybertrucks will be turned into rovers at some point.

[Anonymous No.12778418]

>>12778402
So you admit there's no science behind it? It's just for making a manager happy?
Consider the world that you are heading for.

[Anonymous No.12778421]

>>12778400
SN10?

SN10!??

SNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.12778422]

>>12778415
FINISH THE FLIGHT

[Anonymous No.12778424]

HOP POLL
https://www.strawpoll.me/42729863
HOP POLL
https://www.strawpoll.me/42729863
HOP POLL
https://www.strawpoll.me/42729863

[Anonymous No.12778425]

>>12778418
Yeah I know. But med pays a lot of $$$$ and I want to at least do a New Shepard hop before I die.

[Anonymous No.12778428]

>>12778400
"flies safe" is what you were about to say.

[Anonymous No.12778431]

>>12777829
Dubs and SN10 lands and we get to orbit by November

[Anonymous No.12778433]

>>12778424
come on guys we gotta think it into existence

[Anonymous No.12778437]

Launch days are so fucking great. I'm looking forward to the launch thread even more than the flight itself

[Anonymous No.12778441]

dubs and SN10 craters

[Anonymous No.12778447]

craters and SN10 dubs

[Anonymous No.12778452]

Hold on... I see something on the cam.

[Anonymous No.12778454]

>>12778452
Holy shit is this real?

[Anonymous No.12778458]

weather is good

[Anonymous No.12778461]

New Glenn
>high test
>payload capacity over 9000
>is totally not gay
>can go to space and so much more
>funded by daddy Bezos

St*rship
>low T, takes estrogen supplements
>meme payload capacity
>sucks dick every day
>can't even land properly, much less go to space
>funded by a complete fraud and known abuser of workers' rights

[Anonymous No.12778462]

SN10 lands perfectly and sets a new standard in reusable spaceflight. Congress is forced to hold a committee into de-funding SLS. Boeing implodes.

[Anonymous No.12778468]

lmao
https://youtu.be/tYZaaz8UbRE

[Anonymous No.12778470]

>>12778462
SLS is eternal. Not even memeing it’s gonna live for at least another decade

[Anonymous No.12778472]

there are some pretty rad renders on the dearmoon site.

[Anonymous No.12778473]

>>12778468
lol, night shift? I've been involved in some similar fuckups like that during graveyard.

[Anonymous No.12778474]

>>12778472

[Anonymous No.12778477]

>>12778474

[Anonymous No.12778478]

>>12778472
>>12778474
I assume render is current, which means 2 years out and they're still doing the giant window. At what point do the "no giant window" fags capitulate?

[Anonymous No.12778482]

>>12778468
Do they not have one heavy vehicle on site?

[Anonymous No.12778483]

>>12778478
>At what point do the "no giant window" fags capitulate?
probably when it reaches orbit and doesn't immediately kill everyone on board

[Anonymous No.12778484]

>>12778482
Starship isn't set up for towing and Cranezilla moves at foot-per-hour speed

[Anonymous No.12778485]

>>12778470
I said they would hold a committee, not that anything will come of it.

[Anonymous No.12778489]

>>12778473
not quite. Also neat looks like they have ATVs on demand

[Anonymous No.12778491]

what is the point of starship tests? to see if a water tower can fly?

[Anonymous No.12778495]

>>12778491
To see if it can land, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.12778501]

if starhopper was a water tower, and sn5 and 6 were grain silos, then what are sn8, 9 and 10?

[Anonymous No.12778507]

>>12778501
Cum drops

[Anonymous No.12778512]

>>12778501
yo mama

[Anonymous No.12778522]

>>12778468
Yeah I was watching it earlier. Rewind 3 hours if you want to see what they are talkin' about

[Anonymous No.12778527]

>>12778501
thumpers

[Anonymous No.12778530]

>>12778127
more like whoever votes enceladus or ganymede kys, those things are constantly being baked by ionizing radiation

[Anonymous No.12778535]

>>12778478
>>12778474
in the new render there are more triangles. Looks more feasible imo.

[Anonymous No.12778536]

>>12778530
have sex, Enceladus

[Anonymous No.12778538]

have any of the autistic tank watchers dug up any public paperwork about Starbase, Texas yet? Or is it just another Musk meme that he posts on twitter but gives up on almost immediately?

[Anonymous No.12778541]

>>12777829
In terms of Starship taxonomy, do you think of Starhopper as a Starship or as it’s own one-off vehicle?

[Anonymous No.12778543]

>>12778541
SN8 was really the first starship

[Anonymous No.12778545]

>>12778541
Starhopper was a boilerplate mockup and flying test stand for Raptor. It's a separate vehicle, but part of the Starship development program.

[Anonymous No.12778547]

>>12778543
SN8 hopped and flopped beautifully, which is ridiculous when you think about how complex that maneuver is.

[Anonymous No.12778560]

>>12778541
Technically because it used to have a nosecone, it’s a failed-abortion of a Starship. But we still love her all the same.

[Anonymous No.12778568]

>>12778560
It didn't have actuated aerosurfaces though and was built with literal boilerplate, it was a test stand that flew

[Anonymous No.12778574]

>>12778472
important

[Anonymous No.12778575]

>>12778568
>it was a test stand that flew
Reminder that SLS will never, ever do this because the core stage can't lift its own weight off the pad.

[Anonymous No.12778579]

>>12778195
hello rabbi

[Anonymous No.12778581]

anyone remember when they revealed the three finned starship and everyone thought the cargo bins on the back were some sort of foldable vacuum nozzle? fun times

[Anonymous No.12778583]

>>12778362
that places us in the suicide tier new graduate job applicant category

[Anonymous No.12778585]

>>12778581
Landing on those wings was fucking awesome but I could see how it would fuck up so easily, especially if you clunked into a rock on mars. Still though, very tintin / 1950's looking. And yeah lol those cargo box fold-a-vac times were great

[Anonymous No.12778586]

>>12778127
Imagine having a twin sister planet being literally your closest planetary neibhor and not using it because you wants boots on the ground to feel like it's actually colonized

[Anonymous No.12778591]

>>12778127
That would be me, and no I will not apologize

[Anonymous No.12778592]

>>12777829
Bro’s I’ve been doing some digging on the early history of SLS/End of Constellation. Anyways it seems like NASA had its hands tied.
1) Ares V was way too big and wouldn’t have flown until the 2030s.
2) DIRECT seems like it was a great idea until you realize that it suffers the same issue as SLS: Requiring a redesign of the shuttle external tank into a core stage, which is damn near impossible, sadly.
3) Shuttle-C seemed like the best approach. It required nearly zero work whatsoever and it was versatile. It could actually place 35 tons onto a trans lunar injection (more than SLS Block I). However, it had zero growth options and could only do about 80 tons to LEO, while having payload hang off the side. This is tricky for Mars missions, which have very voluminous landers. It also threw away 3 SSME’s on every flight, while DIRECT and Ares V had the option of using RS-68s instead.
4) Shuttle-B apparently is Shuttle-C but with RS-68’s. It could only put like 40 tons into LEO.
If you were NASA and you had to choose one of these, what would you do?

[Anonymous No.12778596]

>>12778586
Seriously colonizing Venus is basically making a station with some rad-shielded spin habs and solar panels and shoving it gently out of orbit. All you need are some long bendy straws for ISRU.

[Anonymous No.12778598]

>>12778586
>>12778596
Give me a reason why colonizing Venus is a good idea. You can’t even build habitats with ISRU

[Anonymous No.12778599]

>>12778030
I was expecting a krystal desu

[Anonymous No.12778600]

>>12778598
YOU can't. That isn't to say it's impossible.

[Anonymous No.12778601]

>>12778586
You realize venus is uninhabitable even for robots right

[Anonymous No.12778602]

>>12778586
>twin sister planet
Not in any way that actually matters. Sure it's near 1g, but that's a downside. You'd need a full Super Heavy stack to get back into Venusian orbit, even from a cloud city.

>and can't access the surface
Giving it the same problem as a space station colony, which is no way to become self sufficient. At least a station colony can easily move between resources like asteroids. And you need an Earth sized rocket to get back off. It's just shit.

[Anonymous No.12778604]

>>12778600
So why would you even go?

[Anonymous No.12778606]

>>12778604
Because Mars is reddit

[Anonymous No.12778608]

>>12778606
What does that even mean man

[Anonymous No.12778609]

>>12777887
>literally the probe landers from alien planet

[Anonymous No.12778610]

>>12778598
If you have an interplanetary drive system that can use Venusian upper atmosphere gases for propellant it becomes the Persian Gulf of the inner system.
>cheap plasma magnet sail capture/departure due to lack of magnetosphere
>cheap, dense solar power
>effectively infinite fuel reserves to sell
>enough gravity to get a good Oberth boost on departure
>aerobraking
>different orbital period from Earth so different, potentially better, transfer windows to Mars and the outer system

[Anonymous No.12778611]

>>12778592
I would continue to fund the X-33 test program which would produce a successful flight article that informed development of the Venture Star which would be developed, tested and certified for manned and unmanned spaceflight and enter service mid 2000's formally replacing the Space Shuttle program

[Anonymous No.12778613]

>>12778611
Literally impossible the aerospike prototypes never got to the needed ISP

[Anonymous No.12778614]

>>12778608
It means you'll enjoy your doge coin normie mars pretending you can ISRU everything even though you'll barely have the means to make fuel to get back home, and the "muh I can access metals and make foundries on mars" meme will make you cry when you realize it's fucking not true and you might as well just be in a cloud city on Venus because both will require constant resupplies from Earth for the next ~50 years

[Anonymous No.12778615]

>>12778535
They nerfed the passenger windows

[Anonymous No.12778616]

How long till thundercunt starts REEEEEEing at RocketLab?

[Anonymous No.12778617]

>>12778596
Because you aren't seriously colonizing Mars, people don't get going to Mars is going to be a pet project for the next five hundred years minimum, there are no city's being built that any human would want to live in, just small stations that are temporary and relegated to small parts of the planet and the resources alone required to just staying alive will be a call to reality as people scale back their ambitions until future tech makes actual terra-forming viable. Venus is just realizing you don't have to have pie in the sky ambition and just slowly putting floating dirigibles to act as science bases without worrying about lack of gravity, atmosphere, radiation and dust storms and just using them as space stations to further scientific understanding and conduct investigations on the planet and even live comfortably long term without negative effects is by far the best choice we have for first planet we visit with serious, but realistic intentions

[Anonymous No.12778621]

>>12778615

[Anonymous No.12778623]

>>12778599
test: desu

[Anonymous No.12778624]

>>12778592
Shuttle C if I can't bully Congress into giving me the kerolox SLS design with F-1Bs

[Anonymous No.12778626]

>>12778611
Alright frigg off with the X-33, the only cool thing about it was the fact that it had a linear aerospike. Other than that it was a SHIT and was not going to ever work. Not to mention the fact that it was only good for the 90's and would have been rendered obsolete in less than 10 years even if they managed to go from paper rocket to working vehicles in under a year

[Anonymous No.12778627]

>>12778599
>>12778623
Motherfuckers I FUCKING KNEW I WASN'T CRAZY YOU PIECES OF SHIT MADE ME DOUBT MY MIND

[Anonymous No.12778629]

>>12778217
>We should completely destroy every planet and turn them into space habitats
Bugman mentality. We can easily preserve nature and planets while still using their resources.

[Anonymous No.12778630]

>>12778173
it's like abortion, doesn't really adress the root cause but i get it partially? whatever, i hope the new gen won't be woke

[Anonymous No.12778637]

>>12778575
I was really pleased to see Casey tear into hydrogen booster stages as an entire concept in that "cancel SLS" article

>Let’s talk about hydrogen. Shuttle designers gravitated towards hydrogen as a fuel because its specific impulse is substantially higher than other fuels...
>Modern consensus is that once the cost, complexity, and additional mass required to deal with hydrogen is factored in, its performance is not favorable compared to other more conventional fuels, such as RP-1 or methane
>hydrogen is a hard cryogen, requiring extra insulation and mass. It easily leaks through sub micron valves, seeps through metals causing embrittlement, and is so cold that it restricts choices on materials
>...ISP isn’t everything. At launch, a rocket... needs high thrust to punch through the atmosphere. Here hydrogen is next to useless

[Anonymous No.12778640]

>>12778614
If Mars is self sustaining in 50 years then, how will Venus be so?

>>12778617
Retarded take that’s like saying that we’ll never colonize space until O’Neil cylinders are made

[Anonymous No.12778645]

>>12778640
>If

[Anonymous No.12778649]

>>12778645
What is stopping Mars from being self sustaining? If 0.38g is too low for babies and shit just tether two Starships together in Low Mars orbit to make 1 g then land them

[Anonymous No.12778651]

>>12778640
working our way from inspecting Venus from above in airships and cloud city's to down below with 100 or 200 years worth of scientific advancments is way more doable than trying to solve Mars not having an atmosphere, gravity or weather bad enough to pose constant serious risk will be

[Anonymous No.12778656]

>>12778626
2 X33 type vehicles. One that has more propellant and no cargo bay. That serves as a booster to the other. TSTO fully reusable.

[Anonymous No.12778658]

>>12778649
What are you going on about? The gravity has nothing to do with being self sustaining? And what the fuck—spin up starships and land them while spinning for gravity... what the fuck are you smoking over there on your end of the computer

[Anonymous No.12778659]

>>12778637
>Jeff Bezos
>5 feet 7 inches
>0 tons to LEO

[Anonymous No.12778660]

>>12778656
Hm okay idk if the math checks out but I could get behind that. But only if it has a fuckhuge expanded cargo bay

[Anonymous No.12778664]

>>12777850
>>12777855
>>12777868
Someone pull up the stats on Dream Chaser. Calling neutron "human spaceflight capable" doesn't mean much if it there's no manned spacecraft light enough to launch. Gaganyaan weighs 8200kg with its service module.

[Anonymous No.12778665]

Starlink 17 delayed again.

[Anonymous No.12778666]

>>12778596
>long bendy straws for ISRU
This is too stupid to even be b8.

[Anonymous No.12778667]

>>12778660

[Anonymous No.12778668]

>>12778616
Considering his double standard of accepting claims from SpaceX versus other companies, he would most likely consider the Neutron to be superior to the Falcon 9 in every way he sees fit

[Anonymous No.12778669]

is the WATSON camera broken?

[Anonymous No.12778670]

>>12778658
Bruh you unspin them anyways wtf makes Venus better than Mars? If your balloon pops you die. You can’t build habitats. I’d love to see research facilities floating in the clouds but Venus will never be a new city in its own right.

[Anonymous No.12778673]

>>12778668
What is Thunderf00t’s problem anyways?

[Anonymous No.12778674]

>>12778592
>If you were NASA and you had to choose one of these, what would you do?
Shuttle-B all the way if those RS-68s work, Shuttle-C if those RS-68s don't work, and give the "muh aimless manned spaceflight" commercial cargo/crew

[Anonymous No.12778675]

relevant: https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2017/05/13/a-roadmap-to-an-industrially-self-sufficient-mars-base-in-the-minimum-time/

[Anonymous No.12778677]

>>12778609
Based.

[Anonymous No.12778678]

>>12778673
He generates revenue through forced controversy

[Anonymous No.12778680]

>>12778664
>service module: does on-orbit servicing

[Anonymous No.12778679]

>>12778656
I'm genuinely sad that we never got reusable (by flight) boosters

[Anonymous No.12778681]

>>12778669
>He doesn't see it

[Anonymous No.12778684]

>>12778669
AYYY

[Anonymous No.12778687]

>>12778664
Designated Shitting Orbit

[Anonymous No.12778688]

>>12778592
easily shuttle C for a quick n dirty return to the moon, although hindsight is 20/20 and it was thought that SLS was the quick n dirty option at the time.

[Anonymous No.12778689]

>>12778667
give it to me straight /sfg/
would dolphin sex have actually worked?

[Anonymous No.12778691]

>>12778675
Neat article but 10 Million sounds like a lot. You just need enough people to keep the colony up and running until the children get of age to start working. Printing tools and whatnot seems easy, maybe even spare parts, but refining ore and making complex electronics looks tough

[Anonymous No.12778694]

>>12778689
>Government-run reusable rocket program
No. Private industry is the only force that can make a cheap rocket because governments get crapped on by lobbyists and politicians.

[Anonymous No.12778699]

>>12778689
Yeah absolutely
>>12778667
I know dolphin sex works lad, I was just wondering if X-33's had the mathematical capability to be stacked and for one of them to be able to achieve orbit. That photo used to be my phone wallpaper for like, a year lol. I love it with all my heart

[Anonymous No.12778702]

>>12778276
The future will be absolutely FILLED with jerk-ass losers reading through this shit.
Yeah I'm talking about you, do something about it faggot I'm already dead.

[Anonymous No.12778703]

>>12778689
me in the middle

[Anonymous No.12778705]

This is coming from a random thought in my mind but is anyone else pissed off at the fact that proxima b would be an otherwise based and fascinating planet had it not been for its asshole star that flares up and irradiates everything.

[Anonymous No.12778706]

>>12777991
Anyone got a pdf of this to download and read?

[Anonymous No.12778707]

>>12778637
how does smaller rocket more tons, is 3 engines a meme and it should be 30, or how many space x has?

[Anonymous No.12778709]

https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/starship/
website updated for tomorrow's flight

[Anonymous No.12778710]

>>12778664
>service module does the needful
according to hullo Soyuz and Gangespoop are the only capsules that could fit a Neutron, or maybe Starliner if you expend the Neutron

[Anonymous No.12778713]

>>12778709
Bro’s should I watch it live? I can’t handle another explosion.

[Anonymous No.12778714]

>>12778707
The Delta Heavy is hydrogen fueled, which is a very bulky fuel for its mass

[Anonymous No.12778717]

>>12778709
text:
As early as Wednesday, March 3, the SpaceX team will attempt a high-altitude flight test of Starship serial number 10 (SN10) – our third high-altitude suborbital flight test of a Starship prototype from SpaceX’s site in Cameron County, Texas. Similar to the high-altitude flight tests of Starship SN8 and SN9, SN10 will be powered through ascent by three Raptor engines, each shutting down in sequence prior to the vehicle reaching apogee – approximately 10 km in altitude. SN10 will perform a propellant transition to the internal header tanks, which hold landing propellant, before reorienting itself for reentry and a controlled aerodynamic descent.

The Starship prototype will descend under active aerodynamic control, accomplished by independent movement of two forward and two aft flaps on the vehicle. All four flaps are actuated by an onboard flight computer to control Starship’s attitude during flight and enable precise landing at the intended location. SN10’s Raptor engines will then reignite as the vehicle attempts a landing flip maneuver immediately before touching down on the landing pad adjacent to the launch mount.

A controlled aerodynamic descent with body flaps and vertical landing capability, combined with in-space refilling, are critical to landing Starship at destinations across the solar system where prepared surfaces or runways do not exist, and returning to Earth. This capability will enable a fully reusable transportation system designed to carry both crew and cargo on long-duration, interplanetary flights and help humanity return to the Moon, and travel to Mars and beyond.

There will be a live feed of the flight test available here that will start a few minutes prior to liftoff. Given the dynamic schedule of development testing, stay tuned to our social media channels for updates as we move toward SpaceX’s third high-altitude flight test of Starship!

[Anonymous No.12778718]

>>12778703
kinky

[Anonymous No.12778719]

>>12778702
There are historians only 50 or so years into the future that would give their right nut just to talk with one of us for an hour.

[Anonymous No.12778721]

>>12778707
Hello my friend, let me redpill you on hydrogen. Aka the worst fucking fuel EVER to use at sea level

[Anonymous No.12778723]

>>12778714
>>12778707
what where they thinking??

[Anonymous No.12778724]

>>12778707
Diesel(falcon) versus hydrogen(delta)

[Anonymous No.12778727]

>>12778719
I was thinking about this in the shower just this morning. Fuck I already miss the threads from a year ago when we were seeing new SS parts and it was still novel. We are in the golden days but we won't know it till way down the line

[Anonymous No.12778728]

>>12778713
You'll never grow big and strong if you don't eat ALL your explosions, mister

[Anonymous No.12778732]

>>12778723
>>12778721

[Anonymous No.12778733]

>>12778723
Muh isp.

[Anonymous No.12778737]

>>12778709
THE FINAL PIECE WE GREEN BOIS

[Anonymous No.12778740]

>>12778723
Another redpill: after the Saturn rocket family was shelved and Apollo ended, the DoD threw a fuckload of money into hydrogen research and development. This was mainly for the shuttle program but also for other types of rockets which eventually got handed to ULA (as ULA was a forced government merger and thus got access the the US govt's rocket plans). Also becuase hydrogen has been reserached so long now, lots of "new" rockets have just gone with hydrogen because it has the most reliable R&D. That's why countries like Japan randomly have hydrogen rockets when in theory it makes absolutely no sense.
Basically the government sunk a fuck load of money into it out of interest (and because on paper it has a high isp but it sucks irl) and they dug themselves into a pit

[Anonymous No.12778741]

>>12778719
>be me
>existing in the sweet oblivion of death
>suddenly wake up in a clean room
>there is someone sitting on the other side
>he looks strange but still clearly human
>he says he's a historian graduate student from the year 2101
>using reconstructive AI he rebuilt my mind based on my shitposts
>spaghetti is spilling from his pockets as he awkwardly asks the first question about me
>interrupt him with a flurry of racial slurs
>take an AI shit in front of him
>mrw just cost someone his master's thesis from beyond the grave

[Anonymous No.12778743]

>>12778478
No giant windows fag checking in.
Why is there no giant windows on aeroplanes fellow sfg intellectual anon?

>>12778483
Basically this

[Anonymous No.12778747]

>>12778596
>colonizing
If it's not self-sustaining it's not a colony, it's an outpost, or a base, or a station, or whatever.
And ISRU for fuel to get the fuck out of there isn't "self-sustaining".
>>12778673
>>12778678
It's like onlyfans except he's whoring clickbait instead of skin. Fuck tendert0e.
>>12778719
>Tell me when boots first walk on Mars or I'm not talking, faggot!

[Anonymous No.12778749]

>do some hypermetaphysical magical fuckery
>separate the concept of "air" from the molecules O2 and N2
>open windows in flight in space to get some fresh air

Why haven't we done this yet?


Why haven't we done this yet?

[Anonymous No.12778753]

SPACE WAIFU AQUIRED, ENTRA AQUI HERMANOS
https://images.nasa.gov/details-ESPACIO%20A%20TIERRA%20Feb-26-2021

[Anonymous No.12778755]

>>12778741
>"has SLS flown yet?"
>'The NASA Preservation Society conducts annual green-run scrubs on the archaic equipment out of a sense of congressional duty. It is prophesied that it will fly on Judgement Day'

[Anonymous No.12778757]

>>12778743
boeing and airbus are soulless

[Anonymous No.12778758]

>>12778753
>not a rocket

[Anonymous No.12778763]

>>12778598
Yes you can...
dredge for material off the surface, compress it into a brick, then build massive brick buildings that can float

[Anonymous No.12778766]

>>12778763
Finally someone understands

[Anonymous No.12778768]

>>12778763
Use a deep atmospheric scooper to dredge up organic phosphine life, use it as biomass to 3d print more habs. It's literally not that hard.

[Anonymous No.12778770]

>>12778707
short version:
>hydrogen has very low density -> hard to pump a lot of it -> low thrust
>need huge tanks to carry enough of it
>hydrogen must be cooled within ~30k of absolute zero and must stay that cold. Requires heavy (again) insulation
>it's also crazy expensive
>it's also all-round inferior to sub-cooled methane lol

shorter version: NEVER USE HYDROGEN AS A BOOSTER FUEL

[Anonymous No.12778771]

>>12778768
>mankind finds alien life
>immediately turns it into food and bricks
lel

[Anonymous No.12778772]

>>12778675
> Return flight threshold
Not sending some people with a deathwish oneway

[Anonymous No.12778773]

>>12778727
“Sailors, Fighting in the Dance Hall”

>Acidalia Planitia, 2085
>”Grandpa Anon, what was it like when you were young?”
>Well in my time we only ever lived on Earth. A lot of people said that making a home on another world was impossible.
>”You got to see the Connestoga fly for the first time?”
>Ah they called it “Starship” back then. A lot of people said it wouldn’t work. Those were scary days.
>”You gave up everything to come to Mars. You left everyone behind. How did you do it?”
>People are never satisfied with boundaries. All my life I wanted to get up and explore the new frontier. I remember the last time I hugged your great-grandmother. I remember the last time I felt the sun on my face. I remember the last time I felt wind - real wind - blow through my hair. I remember all of these moments. And part of me is sad that you’ll never experience it the way I did.
>”But I can live on the moon and you can’t Grandpa!”
>Ah true I forgot about that.
>”But Grandpa, do you miss Earth?”
>Sometimes. I remember finding out that your great grandmother spent her last years alone in a nursing home. I never got to talk to her in real time after I left. I felt like I betrayed her. One by one all of my friends began to die.
>”Grandpa, are you alright?”
>Its nothing I’m just reminiscing about the past. Let’s head back into the kitchen. I heard your father is cooking tilapia and seaweed tonight. Just be glad he’s a better cook than I ever was.

[Anonymous No.12778775]

>>12778637
>modern consensus

Nope, it’s just SpaceX
New Glenn and Vulcan will be hydrogens upper stages

[Anonymous No.12778776]

>>12778770
So basically if they went with Hydrogen for the Saturn V it would never have even worked?

So we basically regressed to hydrogen with the Shuttle?

wow

[Anonymous No.12778778]

>>12778771
Resistance is futile

[Anonymous No.12778779]

>>12778719
I doubt they want to hear ramblings about pisslocks, proonting, and annoying furryposters in between rants of how the jews stopped us from colonizing Europa with europeans.

[Anonymous No.12778780]

>>12778772
based sexy cyborg

[Anonymous No.12778782]

>>12778773
I want this life

[Anonymous No.12778783]

>>12778173
I still care about their robotic probes/landers. I'd trade women/minorites/poor people for robots in every other aspect of civilization as well if I could.

[Anonymous No.12778784]

>>12778779
They'll want to interview me because I'm the one who btfo the brickfags and printfags and introduced an era of glorious mole cities.

[Anonymous No.12778785]

>>12778773
>"You're kind of a faggot sometimes, granddad"
>"Aye, I love you too boy"

[Anonymous No.12778786]

>>12778775
>>12778776
Hydrogen is a great upper stage fuel. The 2nd and 3rd stages of the Saturn V used hydrogen. The problem is using hydrogen as a first stage or main engine that lights at sea level.

[Anonymous No.12778789]

will it hop tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.12778791]

>>12778753
EL SPACE GOBLINA, LA CREATURA

[Anonymous No.12778792]

Random thought.

Given that Mars gravity is much lower, and martian buildings will be pressurized anyway, there's no reason why skyscrapers on Mars can't reach into the thousands of feet tall.

[Anonymous No.12778795]

Thoughts on the Neutron being possibly slated to replace Antares?
>launches from same pad
>similar in size
>similar payload capacity
Would make sense, since Antares is half Ukrainian with Russian engines

Hullos' video on it: https://youtu.be/SFdVv4Sau7E

[Anonymous No.12778796]

>>12778776
There's a little more to the story. Why did we go with hydrogen?? The answer is because of isp. It's basically a measurement that says how much of a "kick" you get from a fuel. (OVER simplification but enough to explain it). Some fuel has high isp, some has low. Hydrogen, in theory, has the best isp pretty much ever. Hydrogen is the lightest element on the periodic table so it basically YEEEEEETS out of the engine fast as fuck and really gets your rocket moving. But the problem is that it only gets good once its in a vacuum. And it is the textbook definition of "not dense". It is so light that it takes up a lot of room, and needs huge fuel tanks (more mass). It is so light that it LEAKS OUT OF SOLID METAL CONTAINERS (so you need insulation, thus more mass).
The Saturn V was actually half hydrogen. The upper stages ran on hydrogen, but they used insulation inside the tanks instead of outside which is why you don't see orange saturns. The first stage is kerosene which is what Falcon 9 uses. Kerosene packs a punch and is really good for first stages. I guess the Saturn V could have used a hydrogen first stage in theory? But it probably would have struggled to get to LEO

[Anonymous No.12778798]

>>12778225
remember when people were seething over this

[Anonymous No.12778799]

>>12778795
Will Cygnus even be flying to the ISS in 2024?

[Anonymous No.12778802]

>>12778795
I believe they are literally designing it to replace Antares. Manley's video opened my eyes to that lel.

[Anonymous No.12778803]

>>12778796
LMAO SO THIS IS WHY WE NEEDED SRBs ON THE SHUTTLE?

WHICH LED TO FUCKING CHALLENGER

FUUUCK

[Anonymous No.12778804]

>>12778798
no. why were they seething?

[Anonymous No.12778807]

>>12778802
Antares flies once a year though that’s a shitty market desu

>>12778804
>NO ASTRONOMYFAGS HOW WILL WE LOOK AT THE SKY NOW

[Anonymous No.12778808]

>>12778798
Get away from the Palantir, Pippin.

[Anonymous No.12778810]

>>12778804
Ball too shiny, hobbit man bad

[Anonymous No.12778811]

>>12778799
Well, it will be flying to the Moon if NatTeam gets selected so the Cygnus facility will still be hard at work. Unless they are truly oldspace and they claim "we can only build one type at a time. We need to cancel ISS cygnus to focus on the Moon"

[Anonymous No.12778814]

>>12778776
Saturn V had a very low thrust:weight ratio. Took forever to get off the pad. With hydrogen-tier thrust it wouldn't have made it a centimeter off the ground.

>So we basically regressed to hydrogen with the Shuttle?
And lost Challenger as a result because hydrogen meant that SRBs where needed to compensate for the RS-25's anemic thrust.

But hydrogen wasn't even the only thing wrong with the shuttle. This article is mainly about SLS but touches on its predecessor as well.
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2021/02/24/sls-is-cancellation-too-good/
audio: https://soundcloud.com/user-277042869/slsblogrecording-m4a/s-M5kUbZ4acGT

[Anonymous No.12778815]

>>12778799
I would say yes. Cygnus and Antares are a cheap (relatively) and reliable system to get supplies to the ISS. No point in searching for a new ride besides some heavy lobbying (or bribes).

[Anonymous No.12778817]

>>12778691
Depends what kind of ore desu. And electronics are solved easily. A couple of starships packed the gills with chips and you are set for a century.

[Anonymous No.12778818]

>>12778789
Wed. at earliest.

[Anonymous No.12778820]

>>12778803
>He is beginning to believe
Yes exactly. Hydrogen is anemic as fuck and it needed those SRB's. Again, it is fucking DONKEY BRAINED that they made shuttle hydrogen. Fucking absolutely retarded. I guess it had something to do with wanting a clean burning fuel that would help them reuse the shuttle engines? But idk. Fuck NASA man.

[Anonymous No.12778826]

>>12778798
positioning the camera so that it doesn't show in the reflection must have been hard.

[Anonymous No.12778828]

>>12778786
Hydrogen is great when concerns about cost or second stage reuse are already dismissed
And all you need is to squeeze as much payload as possible out of the upper stage

[Anonymous No.12778829]

>>12778803
Hydrogen also doomed Columbia. Insulation fell off the tank and damaged the orbiter's thermal protection system. Humans never should have been in the shuttle.

[Anonymous No.12778830]

>>12778814
Also lost Columbia because the external tank needed so much insulation to keep the hydrogen contained. So that is two lost Shuttles that can trace their doomed story back to using hydrogen.

[Anonymous No.12778831]

>>12778799
I hope so, Cygnus is cool
They could make slight changes to make Cygnus reach beyond LEO

[Anonymous No.12778832]

>>12778295
pretty sure the first fords were on the road before their competitors started producing cars

[Anonymous No.12778837]

>>12778818
>Wed. at earliest.
That's tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.12778840]

>>12778831
I believe Cygnus is the tug stage for the National Team lander, so it will be going to the Moon when NASA inevitably chooses them.

[Anonymous No.12778848]

>>12778637
>Delta IV booster is around 88% fuel
>FH booster is around 94% fuel
damn, that's a huge difference. It's 2nd stage is also better than the centaur.

[Anonymous No.12778850]

>>12778829
>>12778830
/sfg/ hivemind strikes
At some point someone will have to call up Congress and start lobbying for banning the use of SRBs for human flight, right?

[Anonymous No.12778851]

>>12778796
>Hydrogen, in theory, has the best isp pretty much ever.
You ain't ever gonna beat antimatter.
Nothing personnel

[Anonymous No.12778853]

>>12778837
DEW IT

[Anonymous No.12778855]

>>12778850
SRBs aren’t a problem but are obsolete in the Starship era. But yeah Atlas’ SRBs are great. It’s just that the Shuttle’s were overly complicated

[Anonymous No.12778860]

>>12778851
True that was on my mind when I was typing that out. metallic hydrogen and antimatter. And Orion nukes

[Anonymous No.12778861]

>>12778664
>gaganyaan service module pulls double duty as service module and orbital shitting strike for pakistan and israel

[Anonymous No.12778862]

>https://www.bakerinstitute.org/media/files/files/1dca7677/bi-brief-021721-space-launch-system.pdf
From the former Johnson Space Center chief. He's advising the policy for US should choose seek lower cost more often.

Either SLS or National Team or both are going to be fucked if the industry policy advisors are advising for cost efficient alternatives like Starship.

[Anonymous No.12778863]

Going to sign up for dearmoon. My artistic premise will be filming me jacking off in zero g with various scenic planetary backgrounds and shooting cumshots across the main cabin.

[Anonymous No.12778866]

>>12778776
yeah, it took me a while to processes it, but sometimes the people at the top just make shitty decisions. I think it works like this
>org is new and under tight scrutiny.
>org has pretty big successes
>people see this and figure that they know what they're doing
>scrutiny fades
>in this new relaxed environment egos swell and mistakes begin to happen
>mistakes lead to increased scrutiny.
>repeat

[Anonymous No.12778867]

>>12778796
Don't forget embrittlement! That's the best part, if you were foolish enough to want to reuse some parts, fuck you now your metal starts to fail.

[Anonymous No.12778869]

>>12778863

[Anonymous No.12778870]

>>12778862

[Anonymous No.12778872]

>>12778862
jegus. If it doesn't pass the next green run it's honestly might be killed. I'm honestly going to be a bit sad if I don't get to see it launch and at least watch it explode midair.

[Anonymous No.12778874]

>>12778863
zero-g porn is going to be wild

[Anonymous No.12778876]

>>12778855
>Atlas’ SRBs are great
will starliner be able to abort if the SRBs are still running?

[Anonymous No.12778878]

>The Neutron may be build to go after ISS resupply contracts
>RL basically becomes an old space company
How can R*cket L*b stans support this?

[Anonymous No.12778881]

>>12778872
A pad giga rud would also be acceptable

[Anonymous No.12778886]

>>12778878
They are too far behind and too conservative, everyone is. Unless yo>>12778874
u are building a starship competitor you are basically fucked.

[Anonymous No.12778888]

>>12778878
ISS will be deorbited before the neutron flies

[Anonymous No.12778890]

>>12778878
They'll outcompete Boeing/ULA to become the alternative to SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.12778891]

>>12778886
Fucking piece of shit I didn't click that post to link reeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.12778896]

>>12778886
Once private trips around the moon become common place, some rich fuck will send a thot up there to fuck

[Anonymous No.12778901]

>>12778874
Will a porno be filmed on the dearmoon trip? It shouldn't be too hard to convince a couple to go to space and film the million mile high club.

[Anonymous No.12778905]

>>12778592
fucking shoot myself

[Anonymous No.12778906]

>>12778901
Elon won't let such degeneracy besmirch a very public landmark mission like this

[Anonymous No.12778914]

>>12778874
We still don't know if you can fuck successfully in zero g or whether it will give you erectile dysfunction.

[Anonymous No.12778917]

>>12778914
Maybe you have ED but I don’t

[Anonymous No.12778918]

https://fermatslibrary.com/s/death-of-a-project
>a Project Orion paper by Freeman Dyson
This is nice, I hadn't read it before.

[Anonymous No.12778921]

HIDE YO CAMERAS

[Anonymous No.12778923]

>>12778921
>festooned with cameras
Elon confirmed for taking the camera himself and selling it to mexicans over the border for pennies.

[Anonymous No.12778924]

>>12778917
Yeah, but what if your blood vessels aren't functioning normally because gravity isn't pushing blood the way it normally does.

Shit would suck if you had a failure to perform in front of the hundred million people that tuned in to watch the first porno in space.

[Anonymous No.12778930]

>>12778917
How would you know if you never tried to masturbate in space?
Surely this is research dignified of the great astronauts at NASA? They were majority male, surely they must've tried...

[Anonymous No.12778932]

>>12778876
>will starliner be able to abort
No, but that has nothing to do with the Atlas.

[Anonymous No.12778934]

>>12778921
Surround the site with cameras. You chose open-field construction Elon, you wanted to do this in front of everyone so let us watch.

[Anonymous No.12778937]

>>12778930
There is no possibility that someone hasn't cranked it in space. It absolutely has already happened.

[Anonymous No.12778938]

>>12778901
I want to see them try to figure out how sex in zero-gee works with no previous rehearsal on the vomit comet.
>>12778924
Wasn't it at least confirmed on Apollo through heart rate telemetry that you could definitely spank the monke in orbit?

[Anonymous No.12778942]

>>12778890
>They'll outcompete Boeing/ULA to become the alternative to SpaceX.
With what? They'll be competing with other semi-reusable rockets by then, most of which will be much larger so Rocket Lab will have to be extra efficient to remain profitable. They have the advantage for light payloads like what is needed for ISS resupply but other than that this is in a period where SpaceX is scooping up more government contracts and making the fight for whatever is left over even more competitive. They also don't have the same lobbying power as ULA.

[Anonymous No.12778944]

>>12778938
>Chris Hadfield choose to do a virgin music in space instead of the first solo male amateur published to PornHub
I'm actually disgusted at this thought because he's pretty cool, but I had to share it.

[Anonymous No.12778947]

>>12778938
>having sex during a 30 second window while the plane is diving

[Anonymous No.12778949]

>>12778947
>30 seconds
I’ll do it in five

[Anonymous No.12778961]

>>12778942
Government wants redundancies. So if Rocket Labs can out compete Boeing/ULA in price and give reasonable reliability, they will win half the contract. The other half will be held by SpaceX with their ever evolving vehicles. If for example RocketLab carries 3-4 passengers to ISS for $40M each, NASA will choose RocketLabs/SpaceX, not SpaceX/Boeing. Right now one of the only legitimate reasons for ULA/Boeing is because "we want alternatives" so its an alternative to SpaceX. If Rocketlabs fills that niche for cheaper, then Boeing/ULA gets fucked.

SpaceX meanwhile is not threatened one bit because they will have Starship running by then AND legacy Falcon9 running for assurances. Falcon9 by 2024 will probably have flown 300+ and maybe boosters might be well into 15th-20th reusabilities. SpaceX will have plenty of options to reduce the prices if they need to out compete any threat.

[Anonymous No.12778963]

>>12778949
Based. Giving pleasure to a woman is the most unmanly thing one can do.

[Anonymous No.12778968]

>>12778942
>They'll be competing with other semi-reusable rockets by then
Neutron will be much more reusable than Vulkan and much cheaper to build.

[Anonymous No.12778970]

>>12778870
>as well as industry progress in providing a launch vehicle with significantly greater launch capabilities (than SLS)
This is as close as you'll get to anyone saying "Starship mogs SLS"

[Anonymous No.12778972]

>>12778970
The paper discusses both Falcon Heavy and Starship. Falcon Heavy having nearly 70% the capability of SLS at significantly cheaper cost and Starship completely outclassing it in capability and being ultra mega cheap.

[Anonymous No.12778973]

>>12778961
Boing will have already mooched that 4 billion in development money, even if they never deliver
Where is RL going to get the money to develop their own light weight capsule?
Will NASA even allow them to squeeze total weight down to like 6 tons ?

[Anonymous No.12778975]

>>12778609
that was an awesome documentary

[Anonymous No.12778979]

>>12778973
NASA might contract RocketLabs if Boeing fails to deliver. RocketLabs might build out their own capsule program by going public. We know that SpaceX was doing ISS launch vehicles internally before NASA even contracted them. RL might start off as Cargo alternative and build on top of that, if NASA decides to contract them.

[Anonymous No.12778980]

>>12778975
The 2000’s-2010’s were kino for CGI space documentaries.

[Anonymous No.12778982]

>>12777887
The ending of Interstellar was dumb. You think they would send a whole colony through to the new planet. Instead of one guy stealing a ship.

[Anonymous No.12778984]

>>12778973
>>12778979
Also Neutron rocket is awfully similar to Antares, which currently does cargo runs to ISS, but might not in the future due to RD-191 engines it uses for first stage and NK033 engines for second stage.

So the similar specs might not be coincidental but rather there might be a merger or acquisition or something alongst the line.

[Anonymous No.12778985]

>>12778973
Rocket Lab isn't flying humans this decade. The way they presented Neutron, it sounds like they're putting it out there for anyone who wants to build a capsule (and they won't). Maybe further down the line they'll develop their own, but it's too soon to be thinking about that, especially with the future of the ISS in jeopardy after this decade.

>>12778979
Dream Chaser is the alternative to Boeing in the near term.

[Anonymous No.12778987]

>>12777887
>SSTO
>REALISTIC

[Anonymous No.12778989]

>>12778984
>>12778985
Cygnus might launch from Neutron and a human based version of Cygnus might be born later on.

[Anonymous No.12778991]

>>12778972
God dammit I still want Elon to just say "fuck it" and do a Soyuz-Falcon Heavy with four truncated boosters for maximum THROOOOST.
Yes, the Astronauts will not survive, no, that does not matter.

[Anonymous No.12778992]

>>12778982
They did send a whole colony, where do you think the O'Neill cylinder came from

[Anonymous No.12778996]

>>12778961
I think you're underestimating how many competitors they have. For ISS cargo they have SpaceX, Orbital ATK and Sierra Nevada Corporation to compete with all of which are established players using proven rockets. If they want to use the Cygnus I expect Grumman would want the same profit they would have gotten if it launched on Antares. For ISS crew you have SpaceX and B*eing which already got the contract and funded the deployment of their crew vehicles, I doubt NASA wants to throw money at anyone else and if they did there is still Dream Chaser.

What other contracts are there where a medium-lift vehicle would beat a heavy-lift on price?

[Anonymous No.12778997]

>>12778987
lol
>>12778932
saved

[Anonymous No.12779000]

>>12778881
yeah that would be sick

[Anonymous No.12779005]

>>12778992
But it was on the sol side of the worm hole.

[Anonymous No.12779008]

>>12778921
Someone is lying and I don't think it's labpadre, he always seemed like a chill dude. Don't do this to me Elon....

[Anonymous No.12779011]

>>12778012
Chad with a chick on each arm

[Anonymous No.12779012]

hopper has found a new body to inhabit

[Anonymous No.12779013]

>>12779008
>defending fags who unironically set up fucking cameras running 24/7 live-streams at private property

This should not be legal at all
Fuck cameras

[Anonymous No.12779014]

>>12778996
Something like 80% of contracts are for medium lift vehicles. So there's plenty.

[Anonymous No.12779019]

>>12779012
>reports of a ula sniper in the area?
>unleash the rapebot

[Anonymous No.12779021]

>>12778155
How many people / companies bet that falcon 9 wouldn't get off the ground? Let alone land! This is poor business planning at it's finest. Imagine just hoping a competitor fails instead of trying to keep up.

[Anonymous No.12779022]

>>12779012
OH GOD IT'S GETTING CLOSER

[Anonymous No.12779023]

>>12779008
https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/1366967016779878407
All seems good now. Probably a misunderstanding, perhaps an attempt by SpaceX to take that cam offline for the hop.

[Anonymous No.12779024]

>>12778921
It was all chill till Tim Dodd’s emojis sent Elon over the edge. Also kek if true, “Elon Musk gets padre’s landlord you end the lease”.

[Anonymous No.12779025]

>>12779013
Oh you seem confused

[Anonymous No.12779027]

>>12779012
Anon...never mention that thing in this thread. You don't know what you're going to unleash.

[Anonymous No.12779033]

>>12779025
Post ur address so I can set up a webcam of your house

[Anonymous No.12779034]

>>12779014
I'm curious, why would ULA be phasing out their Delta IV for Atlas V and Vulcan if there are plenty of contracts for it? Why not build a new medium-lift?

[Anonymous No.12779036]

>>12779013
I agree with the sentiment totally. But nigger I want to see what's happening at Boca.

[Anonymous No.12779041]

>>12779034
Because Delta IV is absurdly expensive
Which is fine in a cost plus world where they hold a monopoly on big DOD sats
But now it’s a massive waste of money

[Anonymous No.12779043]

>>12779012
>Hehe look at the cute doggo bot we are developing xD it dances and everything
>This definitely isn't cover to work on killbots for the DoD and the uber rich to have their army of infallible peasant crushers you fucking tinfoil hatter

[Anonymous No.12779044]

>>12779023
lol Elon is just shaking them up to keep them in check. kiss the ring, lab

[Anonymous No.12779046]

>>12779033
Just taking a video.

[Anonymous No.12779051]

>>12778989
>a human based version of Cygnus might be born later on.
That's literally the hab module for Gateway.

[Anonymous No.12779055]

>>12779051
That's no more habitable than the Cygnus that flies today

[Anonymous No.12779057]

>>12779033
In many countries you can require that they black out your private property from being recorded. I know because I am a security tech and have had to do just that on many occasions.

[Anonymous No.12779064]

>>12778483
windows have never caused a spaceflight accident in all of human history. it's oldspace fearmongering and cuckoldry is the reason we dont have more windows in space

[Anonymous No.12779066]

>>12779064
What’s the mass penalty for windows

[Anonymous No.12779071]

>>12778743
because boeing are cucks and refuse to innovate

[Anonymous No.12779076]

>>12779066
Pretty high lol, they are heavy. But they don’t necessarily have to be. The shuttle windows were just autistic, plus starship can afford to carry them as it is a chad rocket that can take mass penalties left and right

[Anonymous No.12779078]

>>12779064
>Bare handful of tiny portholes

vs

>Gigantic huge fucking panes covering dozens of square metres all in one spot

But of a fucking difference cunt. And how much do you think that giant window weighs compared to the rest of the structure? It will be a massive waste of dry mass for muh window.

[Anonymous No.12779079]

>>12779076
Once you are out of LEO there is nothing to see out the window anyways
And I assume it’ll always be heavier than sheet metal, plus harder to repair

[Anonymous No.12779082]

>>12779079
>Once you are out of LEO there is nothing to see out the window anyways
Until you start approaching Mars and can watch that out the window. Also, might be useful for landing.

[Anonymous No.12779083]

>>12779079
>Not staring out at the stars the whole journey to Mars
Ngtmi senpai

[Anonymous No.12779088]

>>12779078
>>12779079
I am just one of the many window enjoyers, but I am willing to yield. I like the early ITS design (it was two rows of slightly larger windows compared to the bottom deck windows), or something like a B17 cockpit window (not the nosecone window but the pilot windows)

[Anonymous No.12779093]

>>12779078
i'm still right. no one has tried big windows because the industry is full old oldspace pussies who could never conceive of taking a risk in their lives. the era of big space windows is long overdue.
>muh dry mass
oldspace mentality lmao

[Anonymous No.12779096]

>>12779079
You live in a city.

The night sky without an atmosphere in the way is beyond beautiful.

[Anonymous No.12779097]

>>12779079
Aren't windows a bit of an issue for long interplanetary flights when considering cosmic radiation?

[Anonymous No.12779098]

>>12779088
Or B29 if they are feeling a bit crazy still

[Anonymous No.12779101]

>>12779082
>Also, might be useful for landing.

Are you serious my man. Yeah hold on the pilot just has to look at the window and check he is on track for his manually operated suicide burn.

[Anonymous No.12779103]

>>12779079
not what astronauts say. the view of astronomical object like stars and nebula look supposedly unreal as the stars lo longer twinkle. your post is coping with Boeing stated future of no windows in space. the structural integrity and muh camera instead of windows arguments have always been massive copes

[Anonymous No.12779106]

>>12779097
no, not really. The windows can be coated to block out radiation better than the rest of the rocket.

[Anonymous No.12779107]

>>12779093
>oldspace mentality lmao

Yeah let's go ahead and forget about trying to optimise dry mass, said no one ever including SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.12779108]

>>12779088
has anybody ever built a hot rod or a hot rod truck out of a B17 cockpit?

[Anonymous No.12779115]

>>12779023
Imagine owing Elon a favor

[Anonymous No.12779117]

>>12779043
some art nerds mounted a paintball gun to it for an interactive livestreamed exhibit and boston dynamics threw a hissy fit and backdoored the bot to sabotage it lol

[Anonymous No.12779116]

>>12779103
The weight difference between muh window and no muh window could easily be the difference between eating steaks and mash on the mars trip or microwaved soi paste. Or any other number of quality of life improving things which would take the weight savings of muh window. I wonder which the colonists would rather have?

[Anonymous No.12779120]

>>12779103
>>12779096
My dad took us out to west texas as a kid. First time I had ever truly been away from light pollution. We had been camping and stuff plenty of times, but this was TRULY the middle of nowhere. I near about shit my pants. He told us to come outside once the sun had set and immediately it seemed so bright with the moon and the countless amount of stars. Literally I think there was more white than there was black, it was insane. You could see meteors every 5 second, and nebula, and the fucking milky way—oh my God the milky way core was fucking unbelievable

[Anonymous No.12779121]

Starlink on Starship from Starbase when?

[Anonymous No.12779123]

>>12779115
>Hello Labpadre. You must have known I was coming
>"Elon? W-hat do you want? It's 3 in the morning!"
>Your wife's boyfriend's son: he belongs to me now. Your debt is paid.

[Anonymous No.12779129]

>>12779116
when did i say this would be used for colonial ships? we're talking about dearmoon renders

[Anonymous No.12779136]

>>12779129
So you are on record saying no windows for Mars transfers? Cool I'll keep that screenshot for when window retards shit up the thread again.

[Anonymous No.12779137]

>>12779041
Sorry, I meant to say they're phasing out both Delta IV and Atlas V for Vulcan, leaving them without a medium-lift to my knowledge.

Do you think the DoD in the future will continue funding multiple competitors for military contracts despite the fact that the commercial market now sustains development of many rockets, including the dirt cheap Starship? If Rocket Lab beats ULA on price I don't think it necessarily follows that they would replace them.

[Anonymous No.12779141]

>>12779120
You should go out again during a new moon if you haven't since. Makes a huge difference on what you can see

[Anonymous No.12779143]

>>12779116
>mash
are you even going to Mars, britbong?

[Anonymous No.12779149]

>>12779143
>Doesn't like mash

Non white detected.

[Anonymous No.12779152]

>>12779141
Oh we were there for a few weeks, eventually we saw a full moon. 20 minutes in and your eyes adjust, you don’t even need a flashlight to see. I’m pretty sure there were shadows. And I can’t stress enough how many stars I saw at once, it was a paradigm shift for me. I was already into planets and stuff by that age but this solidified it

[Anonymous No.12779155]

>>12779136
You are a tremendously autistic faggot.

[Anonymous No.12779157]

>>12779136
uhh no. can you read? i'm not speculating about manned mars trips, i make no predictions about those either way. elon may well add big windows to those. i'm not the one here purporting to know the mass penalty

[Anonymous No.12779158]

>>12779149
I love MASHED POTATOES, but usually I defile them with an unholy amount of butter and garlic. Sometimes cheese as well

[Anonymous No.12779159]

>>12779155
About as autistic as regards sperging about how windows have "soul"

[Anonymous No.12779160]

>>12779159
They do though

[Anonymous No.12779162]

> Having no windows at all
> Instead putting up wall mounted screens everywhere
> playing degenerate hentai 24 hours a day for 6 months straight
> Studying the astronauts slow descent into madness from Earth
Will it pass the ethics review?

[Anonymous No.12779164]

It's that time again. Time for a hop thread.
Will be posted when the roadblock goes up tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.12779170]

>>12779162
Sorry sweaty, you little TV idea uses too much mass. There will be no TVs or cameras or windows on Starship. There will be no docking port, there will be no airlock. To enter the Starship, welders will build the vehicle around you and you will survive on orange peels thrown down inside, like your colonial ancestors. It's simply very mass efficient. Welcome to your new cuck box

[Anonymous No.12779171]

>>12779170
I could kill 5 months with a kindle
I don’t see why u need anything else

[Anonymous No.12779174]

>>12779170
Cancel the entire starship program actually, the rocket itself has mass I just learned.

[Anonymous No.12779179]

>>12779043
>I am the only person to have thought of this
>wake up sheeple

[Anonymous No.12779181]

>>12779171
I am sorry, you will not have any recreational devices. In addition, we will be surgically removing one of every redundant organ and limb. One brain hemisphere of your choice will be removed to conserve mass. Choose wisely, you will need to use your imagination to entertain yourself on this once in a lifetime voyage.

[Anonymous No.12779186]

>>12779162
Only if your blast The Caretaker albums throughout the whole trip.

[Anonymous No.12779190]

>>12779181
>mfw mars is for the half-people

[Anonymous No.12779191]

>>12779162
To be fair windows were always compromising structure, so technically cameras and screens would be the better option, but that is kind of opening up the whole matrix debate and I can see that people would rather tour the system in a flying boat than in a submarine. pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.12779192]

>>12779181
Based and servitor pilled. Once the meatbags arrive they can be fitted with useful appendages such as tracked wheels in replacement of legs and multiple high strength servo arms.

[Anonymous No.12779196]

>>12779191
I hope they have some kind of emergency shutter system. I mean they are involving artists here one of them could do something retarded. Especially if they're a youtuber

[Anonymous No.12779201]

>>12779076
I seem to remember that mico debris hitting the shuttle windows was a problem. Is this a big deal or no?

[Anonymous No.12779207]

>>12779088
transparisteel or another magic transparent metal when

[Anonymous No.12779213]

>>12779196
>artists here one of them could do something retarded
Happens to the best of us.

[Anonymous No.12779234]

[Anonymous No.12779236]

>>12779207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DduO1fNzV4w

[Anonymous No.12779239]

>>12778770
>RS-25 to be reusable one day?

Bruh...

[Anonymous No.12779242]

Jeff Foust review of Liftoff
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4130/1
Pretty glowing considering how grumpy he often is

[Anonymous No.12779247]

>>12779196
edit but I don't think they need that. If there's a breach they could easily plug the hole from the inside within seconds. Let's say expansion foam, everything that would require planks to seal it would be drastic enough for everybody in that compartment to die anyways and it's cause would break the shutter mechanism too.

Anyways, once the compartment is depressurized there isn't that much of a rush to fix it anyways. Long story short, I wouldn't use shutters and rather use that weight budget somewhere else.

I think the Cupola ISS module has shutters thou but that's an entirely different situation

[Anonymous No.12779250]

I'm trying to figure out Neutron's addressable market, is there anything I can use to find what percentage of US military payloads are under 8,000 kg to LEO(or say 4,000 kg to GTO) or would anything like that be classified?

It doesn't seem like it would be very many but I don't know how to confirm it.

[Anonymous No.12779260]

>>12779250
their market is launching constellation sats that compete with starlink.

[Anonymous No.12779266]

>>12779250
what company?

[Anonymous No.12779268]

>>12779260
It seems this is pretty much it's only significant use case. But it could be pretty successful there depending on how quickly they can develop it.

[Anonymous No.12779270]

>>12779266
bro...

[Anonymous No.12779274]

>>12779266
HobbitLab

[Anonymous No.12779276]

>>12779266
Whattaburger

[Anonymous No.12779284]

>>12779268
if they can reach a decent launch cadence and cross their fingers that BO continues to shit the bed they could carve out a decent niche. Enough to fund some R&D on something else with additional investment, probably.

[Anonymous No.12779287]

>>12779247

[Anonymous No.12779289]

>>12779260
Or so they implied but I'm not buying it. Kuiper will probably use New Glenn when it's online, OneWeb has a number of options which are much larger than the Neutron and will probably be competitive on cost even if they're not as reusable or as cheap to produce.

Also didn't OneWeb get sold? It was their former owner or someone that hated Elon for 'stealing his idea' and wouldn't use SpaceX. OneWeb not using another provider barely harms SpaceX and it would cost them much more so it's pretty pointless.

[Anonymous No.12779293]

>>12779250
Hullo speculated that it might be use to chuck Cygnus into orbit

[Anonymous No.12779294]

>>12779289
Didn't the retarded britbong govt buy oneweb even though it made no sense?

[Anonymous No.12779304]

not sure if this was posted, but website updated

[Anonymous No.12779305]

> Me, circa 1972, classified mission
> Drawn by Picasso

[Anonymous No.12779309]

>>12779305
>imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.12779314]

>>12779294
I think it was the UK government and some Indian company, together they are investing a billion which doesn't seem like enough to be a serious competitor with Starlink outside of India where they have rules where a certain percentage of the company must be Indian owned to operate something like this there.

[Anonymous No.12779315]

>>12779287
nice but consider that starship is supposed to do the planetfall thing in mars and earth atmosphere, rendering most external shutter designs unfavourable. And overall, air goes out, why not have plugs on the inside? Again, anything that will be catastrophic... and for micro meteorites you could just have emergency plate kits to slap on right next to the window or a sandwich multi layer design that will automatically release a plugging object inside the window when it detects a difference in pressure, which then gets sucked towards the breach. be it a plate of acrylic or something like blood that cloggs and hardens in there.

[Anonymous No.12779317]

>>12779270
>>12779274
>>12779276
I was put off because the landing legs looks so spacexy

[Anonymous No.12779322]

>>12779317
Yeah it is pretty blatant. At least they and Elon both acknowledge it as the right move.

[Anonymous No.12779327]

Reminder that Neutron will reach orbit before New Glenn

Hell at this rate SLS will reach orbit before New Glenn, or at least fragments of it will when it inevitably suffers a spectacular RUD in mid-flight

[Anonymous No.12779346]

>>12779305

[Anonymous No.12779351]

>>12779250
Yeeting Cygnus and 2-3 man capsules like the Needful capsule or Soyuz, or some future capsule in that size class. Hullo speculated it might be able to lift Starliner if you expect the Neutron.

[Anonymous No.12779357]

>>12778276
Well in one specific instance it won't be a hivemind. It'll be me, embedded in the middle of a kilometer-wide cybernetic brain deep in the Moon's crust. I'll be compiling and compressing all the necessary historical information to produce an approximate copy of human civilization if I ever feel like doing that after I've left the solar system.
Hi, me.

[Anonymous No.12779365]

>>12779357
sorry that'll be me

[Anonymous No.12779376]

>>12779365
Thus, the demigod wars

[Anonymous No.12779395]

>>12779327
SLS is going to fly within a year or so. Not even memeing but all of the hardware is done and ready. It’s all just waiting on the core stage. The ICPS second stage has been done since 2017 (Thanks ULA) and has been sitting in storage for almost 4 years.

[Anonymous No.12779396]

>>12779376
>yfw the moons of Neptune become the designated battleground between entities trying to leave the solar system

[Anonymous No.12779402]

>>12779376
>You will never be part of a 10,000 year long war trench war between the Greater Human Empire and the Transcendant Man Legion
Why live?

[Anonymous No.12779419]

>>12779395
>in storage for almost 4 years.
as a petrolhead I cringe at this. Mothballing is never good. Stuff is designed to be used, not stored.

[Anonymous No.12779425]

>>12778627
Baka

[Anonymous No.12779430]

>>12779402
>implying transcendant humans wouldn't immediately wipe the floor with the Luddites

[Anonymous No.12779431]

>>12777829
Bro’s I’m going to be honest I don’t know if I can watch SN10’s flight tomorrow. I’m legitimately scared. What if it explodes on the pad or on ascent? What if it fails to land again? I don’t want to be hurt again bro’s.

[Anonymous No.12779434]

>>12779430
I have not once in my life met a transjewmanist that is not a pathetic, soft midwit. You're literally volunteering to be hopelessly enslaved and will never represent a real military threat.

[Anonymous No.12779435]

>>12779430
The Greater Human Empire spans an area 25,000 light years in diameter. However the Transcendant Man Legion has access to spacetime-defect weaponry. Both sides have FTL, and both sides have access to closed timeline curves.

[Anonymous No.12779439]

>>12779430
Transhumanist homos were too scared of AI and so the chad Human Empire has fleets of loyal superintelligent warships. Have fun, I'm sure your faggots with metal legs will be able to compensate for that.

[Anonymous No.12779440]

>>12779434
I’m okay with the technical side of transhumanism that is embracing technology but the social shit is so cringe goddamn. I’d totally be cool replacing my limbs and some of my organs with mechanical ones though. Like if I was horribly injured and I had the chance to be rebuilt I’d do it.

[Anonymous No.12779452]

>>12779431
just under a year ago SN4 fucking killed itself after something as mundane as a static fire, and at the time only SN5 and SN6 were on the horizon

nowadays we can count up to SN18 (19?) in hardware down at Boca Chica and every single one is lined up as a test article. Even if SN10 explodes on the pad, they're making incredible progress

[Anonymous No.12779459]

>>12779452
True. It also reminds me of how NONE of the Falcon 9v1.1 cores ever landed successfully despite 4 tries on the drone ship and like 5 or 6 at sea. Still, I’m just worried man.

[Anonymous No.12779463]

reminder that sn10 and 11 are the old type and it doesn't matter if they crash. sn15 is the one to watch.

[Anonymous No.12779464]

>>12779463
Are they doing the 3-engine burn with SN10?

[Anonymous No.12779465]

>>12779464
i'm not elon so idk.

[Anonymous No.12779467]

>>12779402
>>12779430
>>12779435
The demigod wars are arriving sooner than you might hope, and humans will be more collateral damage than participants.
There might only be a handful of actual direct combatants- consisting of those with the resources and willingness to develop and integrate nascent AI into their their own brains. Brain-machine interfaces like Neuralink are the seed technology, but something like 99.99999% or greater of the people who end up using them will never approach the potential of the technology due to ethical/legal limitations.

[Anonymous No.12779469]

>>12779464
I'd be shocked if they didn't, with how on-board Elon seemed with the idea and how quickly we know they iterate on flight software and procedures

[Anonymous No.12779470]

>>12779452
Unbiassed people will see that, but the common media won't understand that not building a perfect finished product 3 times in a row is an acceptable course of prototyping a spacecraft. That being said, the waves certainly calmed down because even sensation based outlets became kind of aware of that every time after allegedly the world goes under at Boca Chica, a few weeks later something remerges in some form, introducing normality which isn't sexy in their eyes.

[Anonymous No.12779472]

>>12778921
>Umm, SERIOUSLY...?
cry more boomer leaf

[Anonymous No.12779473]

>>12779470
>bnuy on the right

[Anonymous No.12779480]

>>12779469
I’m still amazed at how perfect SN8 went those two Raptors burnt like a charm. Too bad about the header tank issue.

[Anonymous No.12779498]

Might make a vid about SN10 like I did with SN9 (https://youtu.be/hR6DATfX7kI))
Hopefully It'll be a success, otherwise it might get a bit repetetive

[Anonymous No.12779504]

>>12779439
I think you got it switched around fren

[Anonymous No.12779549]

>>12777855
isn't neutron 40 meters and starship is 50? i feel like this is wrong

[Anonymous No.12779555]

>>12779549
Neutron is a whole rocket, starship is only the second stage

[Anonymous No.12779567]

>>12779467
Neuralink is one way interface it's not what most people think.

[Anonymous No.12779570]

I wasted the last two hours trying to find out why Sandy Loam is, what did I miss?

[Anonymous No.12779576]

>>12778146
Yeah, for every plane lost in combat there were two lost to engine malfunction, wear and tear, weather or pilot error and inexperience (or the combination of these)

[Anonymous No.12779582]

>>12778615
Probably because dearmoon will only have 12 people on it max, so less interior crew cabins.

[Anonymous No.12779589]

>>12778791
What? She doesn't look like a mestizo. Are you implying that if you don't have blue eyes you're mexican?

[Anonymous No.12779611]

>>12778478
There will be no giant windows on Starship
You can quote me on this

[Anonymous No.12779629]

>>12779079
>Once you are out of LEO there is nothing to see out the window anyways
Retarded urbanite. I take it you've never seen the milky way before. Imagine this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhGOoUlZAa8 but even brighter and more detailed. Unironically I'd spend most of my time aside from exercise and sleep looking out the front window at the stars. Maybe I'd bring a small telescope or some powerful binoculars to make the experience even better. And there is nothing you can do about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhGOoUlZAa8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4_igusjiUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhnJ0K0wxVw

[Anonymous No.12779650]

>>12779555
yes, what i'm saying though is that the second stage (starship) should be ten meters taller then neutron. it doesn't look so in this image

[Anonymous No.12779684]

>>12777918
Perhaps, the CEO tries to be a discount Musk. But I still wish them the best of luck

[Anonymous No.12779690]

>>12779294
They're going to use it for military comms is what some are saying. It's plausible

[Anonymous No.12779691]

>>12778195
Or we could go back to being 90% white like when we went to the moon

[Anonymous No.12779692]

>>12779498
Can't wait anon. I'll see you in the launch thread.

[Anonymous No.12779728]

>>12778208
Race has little to do with skin color

[Anonymous No.12779734]

>>12777918
It's arguable that the Neutron may one day eat some of the Falcon 9 market share, I've gone back and forth on that and I still haven't found a good answer, but it's weird to see how many people just accept their timeline without any skepticism. They are implying that in just three years they will design a brand new engine, build a rocket much larger than anything they have experience in out of materials they haven't used before, master propulsive landing, and then reuse their first stage. How they've gotten people to accept this without mockery, I don't know.

[Anonymous No.12779751]

>>12778629
Why preserve them?

[Anonymous No.12779761]

>>12778345
Leftism is a hell of a drug

[Anonymous No.12779763]

>>12778874
Degenerate

[Anonymous No.12779770]

>>12779734
And people gave em 750 million dollars to do it

[Anonymous No.12779779]

>>12779728
it's more about how good you can drive and what you drive.

[Anonymous No.12779783]

>transhumanists in thread again
Literally just a fantasy for weak nerds

[Anonymous No.12779789]

>>12779770
Exactly. Rocket Lab brought in less revenue in 2020 than a single Falcon 9 launch and then on top of that burned through more money than they even brought in. Based on their own projections they are not going to be profitable for years. They basically built a paper rocket and then went public to grab 750 million, otherwise they would have gone out of business. Making up the ridiculous timeline was the only way they could sell it to investors, it worked.

[Anonymous No.12779799]

Just spent the last half hour on a drunken rampage through NASA Artemis videos comment sections violently shitting on I fucking love science normies.

[Anonymous No.12779802]

Dubs and fail at liftoff

[Anonymous No.12779807]

How many bongs till the flop?

[Anonymous No.12779811]

>>12779802
How many assassination attempts will you make?

[Anonymous No.12779824]

>>12779789

they don't need to be credible, just more credible than BO and the government will subsidize them so that they're not beholden to Elon.

[Anonymous No.12779834]

FUCK
OLDSPACE

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26274117

>I was at NASA at the time. Not on that project, but some people at my center were. They did some proposal work trying to drum up some funding to make Red Dragon happen. The idea was a split-cost mission, where SpaceX fronts a lot of the R&D money and NASA pays a fixed price to ride along some science equipment on what is essentially a Viking-like Mars lander platform. This would have been not unlike the current Commercial Lunar Payload Services contracts, except for Mars and single-sourced. Do a one-off conversion of a Dragon capsule to land some science experiments on Mars, with SpaceX getting essentially free R&D money out of it because its 90% work they wanted to do anyway.
It got shit-canned for political reasons as it would have shown a commercial capsule to be more capable than Orion, which for a so-called "deep exploration vehicle" was pathetically unable to achieve any of the goals set for the Red Dragon mission. Can't have NASA or Lockheed Martin look bad, that just won't do. SpaceX was at the time trying to win more government launch contracts for the Falcon 9 and a continuation of the commercial resupply and commercial crew contracts which represented a much bigger prize than a one-off Mars science mission.

[Anonymous No.12779835]

>>12779834

>Red Dragon was partially an attempt by NASA Ames management to start a sustained planetary exploration program of their own. They had just come off the phenomenally successful LCROSS mission and were doing a bunch of other small technology demonstration projects to build out the (at the time new) idea of cubesats and ride-shared microsatellites. JPL's view of this was essentially "whatever, enjoy your little toy satellites. lol." Red Dragon as designed in ~2011 may have been larger, but was not fundamentally any different. It was just a big lander to ship a bunch of science instruments that didn't fundamentally differ from what had been already developed for other missions. But as I wrote above, it got shot down through aerospace industry politics. Note the wording on wikipedia: "SpaceX initially planned to propose Red Dragon for funding in 2013 and 2015 as the United States NASA Discovery mission #13 for launch in 2022, but it was not submitted." Who just doesn't submit a proposal? Nobody. Worst they'll do stamp 'rejected' on it, but it doesn't hurt to try. No, it got killed from within.

>The 2014 concept was different though: it proposed a single-mission Mars sample return. Now I need to go on a little side story here and tell you about what Mars Sample Return--MSR in JPL speak--means to NASA, and JPL in particular.

[Anonymous No.12779837]

>>12779835

>The Mars planetary exploration campaign which started in the 90's and culminated in at least one mission at every 26 month launch opportunity, were flagship missions. This means they got the biggest budgets, and NASA did not compete for their design or management. It went straight to JPL. All these planetary probes were built by the usual suspect of aerospace contractors, of course, but the design, engineering work, testing, validation, and mission operations were all done by JPL. Not only is it the pride of JPL, it is also their lifeblood funding. So much of JPL's overhead funding comes from these missions, and the scientists and engineers pull their salaries from them. I worked with a guy that was 0.5 FTE (half-time) doing operations for Spirit & Opportunity, and another 0.5 FTE in an R&D role preparing for the next rover, which would be named Curiosity. These missions were selected based on input from the planetary decadal surveys, but they were scheduled based on what it would take to keep JPL (and other NASA) employees continuously funded at a constant level. That's why the Mars exploration campaign became a sequence of alternating rovers and orbiters at every launch opportunity--a jobs program to keep those amazing scientists and engineers employed.

[Anonymous No.12779840]

>>12779837

>However conventional wisdom, as reflected in the planetary decadal, said that there is only so far we can go trusting our remote instruments without verifying the data by bringing a sample back to examine in our way more sensitive laboratories on Earth. So the sequence of remotely operated planetary exploration rovers was scheduled to end with the Mars Science Laboratory (AKA Curiosity), and the next big thing would be "Mars Sample Return." Working within self-imposed constraints, the stratospheric architects at JPL put together a mission profile that would require THREE missions back-to-back: one to find and cache samples (this is Perseverance, which just landed on Mars), one to collect those samples and send them to Mars orbit, and one to intercept those samples and bring them home. All built and launched in sequence rather than at the same time, so the total mission duration would be spread over the better part of a decade. Like with SLS, this monstrosity of an architecture was selected because of self-imposed constraints that had nothing really to do with the mission requirements and everything to do with sustaining a JPL jobs program. Three separate missions over the course of a decade is a feature, not a risk factor. Indeed it's the whole point.

>Enter SpaceX and the 2014 Red Dragon proposal, which was an all-in-one Mars sample return mission that launched on a single Falcon Heavy and landed a rocket inside of the dragon capsule that was powerful enough to send the collected sample directly back to Earth. Do it all in one mission, and at 10x - 100x reduction in cost. So cheap it didn't even need to be a flagship mission and could be outsourced to industry and academia (like New Horizons was).

[Anonymous No.12779843]

>>12779840

>JPL was not impressed. Play with your little toy satellites all you want, but don't fuck around with the golden goose. 2014 Red Dragon sample return proposal was a direct threat to the entire Mars planetary exploration program and semi-autonomous JPL's bottom line. They hit back hard trying to discredit the proposal with a bunch of underhanded arguments and agency politics. That's about the time I left NASA so I didn't get to see it fully play out, but apparently JPL won out because in the end the sample-return version of Red Dragon was deselected from funding.

>There was apparently a third concept study in 2016 which I don't know the details of, and it was during or after that third experience that Elon finally pulled the plug and reallocated those resources to Starship. Though I guess you might say that the planned first Starship mission to Mars in 2026 (aspirational) is Red Dragon 4, just with significantly larger Starship instead.

[Anonymous No.12779864]

>>12779843
>There was apparently a third concept study in 2016 which I don't know the details of, and it was during or after that third experience that Elon finally pulled the plug and reallocated those resources to Starship.
>Fuck this shit, these cunts are useless. I'll do it myself then.

[Anonymous No.12779866]

>>12779834
>>12779835
>>12779837
>>12779840
>>12779843
I honestly can't wait for China to fuck them in the ass. Maybe then they'll wake up.

[Anonymous No.12779886]

>>12779843
>They took this from you
I wish in the future they name one of the Mars-bound Starships 'Red Dragon' so that some form of it will have landed. It didn't deserve to be killed like this.

[Anonymous No.12779890]

>>12779789
Yea 7 launches in 2020 with a price of 7 million each leaves you with 50 million in revenue... probably more for the DoD launches
And they want 11 launches for 2021
Somehow this company which won’t break 100 million a year is valued at 4 billion

[Anonymous No.12779894]

>>12778679
Its such a short sighted tech

[Anonymous No.12779895]

>>12778703
Fag

[Anonymous No.12779898]

>>12778706
Just buy it

[Anonymous No.12779899]

>>12779890
Congrats, you just realised that all stocks are clown markets built on hype and spin.

[Anonymous No.12779906]

>>12778741
Based

[Anonymous No.12779919]

>>12778773
Frontiersmen are always a hard breed. But they carve a future for us all

[Anonymous No.12779948]

>>12778741
Absolutely savagely based

[Anonymous No.12779954]

>>12778773
Damn bro you just made me feel an emotion. That's a hard task these days. Fuck this planet, I want off.

[Anonymous No.12779958]

>>12779899
Some are worse than others. Out of all the space stocks Rocket Lab is the second most overvalued, next to Virgin Galactic. It's way more overvalued than other meme space stocks that have much brighter future and are not directly competing with SpaceX. It makes them look like value stocks in comparison which is plain crazy as their valuations are sky high compared to a company like Maxar.

[Anonymous No.12779963]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1367074939317157888
No launch today.

[Anonymous No.12779965]

>>12779963
I bet the FAA did this

[Anonymous No.12779971]

>>12779963
>Fence post problem again
By "tomorrow" does he mean the next day ie. in three hours, or literally tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.12779983]

ScrubX

[Anonymous No.12779986]

>>12779971
If it was in 3 hours then I doubt he would use "tomorrow".

[Anonymous No.12779993]

>>12779963
Note he tweeted at 5:30AM Boca Chica time, so could be confusing.

[Anonymous No.12780001]

>>12778776
People here and elsewhere seem to have this misconception that specific impulse seems to mean MOAR POWER.
That's completely fucking wrong, naturally. What it really means is MOAR MILEAGE. Now take your 18 wheeler truck to space - The Saturn V, slap 4 Nissan Micra engines in the first stage - RS-25 (That mileage tho!) and see what happens.
Keep in mind that you just removed 4 very thirsty hemi cudas in the process - F-1's

It ain't gonna move a fucking millimeter off the pad, but get it out of the gravity well, and it'll move, eventually and for quite some time because the engines will burn much longer than the gas guzzling hemi-cudas. The first stage is supposed to be quarter mile drag racer, but the Saturn V was a fat bottomed girl.

[Anonymous No.12780004]

>>12779954
>having emotions other than anger

[Anonymous No.12780015]

>>12779963
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1367082108863320070

[Anonymous No.12780016]

Launch today.

[Anonymous No.12780020]

>>12780016
In how many hours is that if Im in Munich?

[Anonymous No.12780023]

>>12780015
>>12780016
Fuck

[Anonymous No.12780026]

>>12780020
In 3 hours maybe, who the fuck knows which timezone he's using.

[Anonymous No.12780027]

>>12780020
Launch windows opens at 3PM today and closes at 1AM tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.12780036]

>>12780016
HOLY SHIT

[Anonymous No.12780039]

>>12779692
zubrin is based

[Anonymous No.12780050]

>>12780016
elon going to bed at 4:30am just like me :)

[Anonymous No.12780059]

>>12780050
Have a nice dream about space anon :)

[Anonymous No.12780067]

was this cover made by sfg or stolen from reddit/twitter?

[Anonymous No.12780069]

>>12780001
>People here and elsewhere seem to have this misconception that specific impulse seems to mean MOAR POWER.
I have never seen a single person here with that misconception. These kind of "everyone is retarded except me" actually read as "everyone but me knows how to read".

[Anonymous No.12780072]

>>12780067
Everything original comes from here

[Anonymous No.12780074]

>>12780069
Yeah sure, why don't you wait until some fucking spastic starts bringing up shit like metallic hydrogen or polymeric nitrogen for DAT SPECIFIC IMPULSE DOE.

[Anonymous No.12780086]

>>12780069
power as in dE/dt ?

[Anonymous No.12780088]

>>12780074
>Metallic hydrogen
Hey guys Isaaac Awfuh hear and today we’ww talking about metawwic hydrwogin
>Dubs and SN10 makes it

[Anonymous No.12780089]

>>12780067
sfg is the chief originator of space memes

[Anonymous No.12780093]

>>12780088
checked

[Anonymous No.12780095]

>>12780088
Checking hh

[Anonymous No.12780097]

>>12780088
>Dubs and SN10 makes it
>00
>88 (which is just two 00's on top of each other)

[Anonymous No.12780099]

>>12780074
Those are both impossible meme materials with high theoretically ISP (by chemical standards) though

[Anonymous No.12780106]

>>12779843
This is why competition is needed. Would JPL have needed 3 missions for a sample return if some other group could do it in 1? No

[Anonymous No.12780109]

>>12780088
>double dubs

[Anonymous No.12780111]

Here we go boys

[Anonymous No.12780117]

>>12780111
CHECKED

[Anonymous No.12780120]

>>12777829
Comparing landing Starship and its success rate to landing a Falcon 9 is false and shouldn’t be done. SpaceX attempted to land a Falcon 9 in the ocean - with no chance of recovery - four times before they tried to land it on a solid surface, which they nailed on the third try. In total it took 7 tries of landing a Falcon 9 before they made it successfully, although 2 of the open-water attempts succeeded at landing softly, the vehicle just wasn’t supposed to survive the “tip over” so it was destroyed both times. Starship is doing fine.

[Anonymous No.12780122]

>>12780111
She’s gonna land in one piece bro’s I can feel it

[Anonymous No.12780130]

>>12780097
One of the last screengrabs I took on my old computer. Nice to see it's become a staple.

[Anonymous No.12780132]

>>12780001
Saturn V was slow as fuck on launch it would’ve benefitted greatly from a sixth F-1. Or, it would’ve been great if you used two to four AJ-260’s and removed a core engine

[Anonymous No.12780139]

>>12780016
>"Launch Tomorrow"
>*posted 1hr ago
>"March 3rd"

I... what? Elon, you have got to stop grinding up so many memes and snorting them, just stick with the coke.

[Anonymous No.12780143]

>>12780139
Elon thinks that before going to bed=the previous day

[Anonymous No.12780151]

>>12779305
hehehe

[Anonymous No.12780156]

This has probably been asked but could f9 or falcon heavy make crew dragon land on Mars

[Anonymous No.12780161]

>>12780139
which is why you should never believe a musk tweet. they're all interpretable 4 different ways because he's so autistically obtuse

[Anonymous No.12780163]

>>12780151
>the ac broke
>the seat's cushion is too thin
>i wonder what other people my age are doing
>this thing is so slow
>all these arms yet i can't hold on to any emotional connections

[Anonymous No.12780167]

>>12780151
>amogus

[Anonymous No.12780168]

FROM THE LAUNCH PAAAAAD TO THE STARS
AS WE FLY OUR WAY TO MARS
AAAAHH THRUST THRUST THRUST THRUST THRUST THRUST THRUST THRUST
AAAAHH THRUST THRUST THRUST THRUST THRUST THRUST

[Anonymous No.12780172]

>>12780156
A lot of people have done studies on the subject and it was found that Crew Dragon is perfect for mars because it’s light. It also has just enough Delta-V to land on Mars. Even when expendable, Falcon Heavy is somewhat anemic for a Mars Mission but it’s great for building big structures like transfer vehicles and whatnot in multiple trips

[Anonymous No.12780179]

>>12780168
>AS WE BRAAAP ALL THE WAY TO MAAAAAARS

[Anonymous No.12780180]

>>12780151
Honestly looks pretty comfy

[Anonymous No.12780182]

NSF IS LIVE https://youtu.be/XOQkk3ojNfM
WOWOWOW GET IN

[Anonymous No.12780187]

Couldn't sleep, too excited for the launch. Third time's the charm I can feel it bros

[Anonymous No.12780190]

>>12777829
If instead of pursuing redesigning the shuttle external tank, NASA instead made a fatter Delta IV core (5.4 to 8.4 or 10 meters wide), would SLS still be as delayed as it is?

[Anonymous No.12780192]

>>12780151
beep boop

[Anonymous No.12780199]

>>12780190
Even more delayed because that would mean human rating a completely new system.
That's bureaucracy.

[Anonymous No.12780205]

>>12780199
Jesus if I was a NASA admin at the time I would’ve just chose a vehicle I knew would never fly but was “good enough” to keep contractors and senators happy while commercial options came about. Wait a minute.

[Anonymous No.12780206]

>>12780190
Remember to smoke because it’s cool

[Anonymous No.12780208]

>>12780182
>2 hours before window even opens just to milk superchats
Fuck NSF

>>12780205
Space is Hard(tm)

[Anonymous No.12780211]

>>12780190
>>12780208
Theoretically though you could just launch Orion on Atlas V Heavy with a dual engine centaur stage and use your Fat-Delta (tm) for cargo, right?

[Anonymous No.12780219]

>>12780211
Why the fuck would you launch an Orion for "cargo"?
And the Atlas V Heavy was just a proposal, never built.

[Anonymous No.12780221]

So...will there be a flight termination system on crewed flights?

[Anonymous No.12780223]

>>12780219
I meant like using your big rocket for cargo so you don’t have to man-rate it. That shit killed SLS for the most part.

[Anonymous No.12780225]

>>12780208
u hate nsf bc they fuck your gf?

[Anonymous No.12780228]

>>12780221
Yes, there'll be a pad ninja with a katana to terminate any personnel who wishes to get off the ship on every crewed flight.

>>12780223
Kind of defeats the purpose of the Orion, doesn't it?

>>12780225
I don't like grifters.

[Anonymous No.12780234]

>>12780228
No you launch your cargo/earth departure stage on the big rocket then your crew/Orion on the EELV-class vehicle. Think constellation but not as retarded

[Anonymous No.12780240]

>>12780168
i think this was SN8 going off the dust cloud

[Anonymous No.12780246]

Prep work on SNX has begun.

[Anonymous No.12780247]

>>12780246
did you just get off the phone with elon?

[Anonymous No.12780249]

>>12780247
oui

[Anonymous No.12780252]

>>12780247
No, but I'm looking at a dude in a basket working on the side of the rocket on stream.

[Anonymous No.12780254]

>>12780151
>Space wage cage
Sign me up

[Anonymous No.12780259]

>>12780246
hop thread at window open! got it queued up

[Anonymous No.12780260]

>>12780246
Maybe cancellation has begun

[Anonymous No.12780261]

>>12780249
Pomp it (the methane)

[Anonymous No.12780266]

>>12780259
is it gonna be pinned again? i hope not

[Anonymous No.12780267]

>>12780163
holy mother of shit

Meanwhile the boys on Mars
>...

[Anonymous No.12780272]

>>12780151
The virgin spacesuit diaper
The CHAD spacecan w/ pissbottle holder

[Anonymous No.12780273]

Going to go to bed. Realistically how many hours until launch?

[Anonymous No.12780275]

>>12780266
not a fan of the ""tourists"" eh?

[Anonymous No.12780277]

>>12780273
bankrupt

[Anonymous No.12780281]

>>12780273
1hr 45m until window opens, fuck knows when and if flight occurs.

[Anonymous No.12780284]

>>12780273
~34 hours

[Anonymous No.12780293]

>>12780151
I love how the dome of this thing is literally an oversized spacesuit helmet

[Anonymous No.12780295]

>>12780273
It'll never launch. SpaceX just got cancelled due to racist ITAR policies, Elon is in jail because he tweeted about something someone else didn't like, and a rabid Shelby with a sledgehammer has been spotted near Boca Chica

[Anonymous No.12780310]

>>12780281
Hopefully some time after 1:30 so I can watch it

[Anonymous No.12780314]

>>12779123
topkek

[Anonymous No.12780317]

>>12780293
Yeah lol
>>12780295
>racist ITAR policies
You WILL hire this Chinese Elon
Wait E- Elon you're leaving California? Why, why would you do that????

[Anonymous No.12780334]

>>12778921
>festooned
Kek

[Anonymous No.12780338]

>>12780069
There's not many here except for new friends, because we've accepted that hydrolox is a meme. But we are constantly getting new friends, plus we live in /sci/, which is overall almost as schitzo as /x/.
There are still a lot of normie twitts out there who think BIGGER NUMBERZ = MOAR POWAH = GO FASTUR

[Anonymous No.12780342]

>>12780151
>Blue Origin presents Amazon's orbital warehouse worker pod

[Anonymous No.12780352]

>>12780187
It's just gonna scrub on the first few times as usual. Inbetween raptors being divas, wind and boat boomers chances of a launch on any day are 30% max.

[Anonymous No.12780353]

>>12780151
Is this the timeline that we finally send Daleks into space?

[Anonymous No.12780366]

>>12780317
Isnt ITAR just that you can only hire US citizens?

[Anonymous No.12780376]

>>12779057
Thats shitty wish we had US tier freedoms

[Anonymous No.12780379]

>>12780366
That is one of the rules, but the general rule of ITAR is that you can't show rocketry secrets to people from outside of your home country without explicit permission from your government.

[Anonymous No.12780396]

>They seem to be pretty confident. They're aiming for a 0954 flight.
t. nomadd

[Anonymous No.12780399]

I'm confused. Are they gonna launch today or tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.12780402]

>>12780352
If I remember correctly SN8 only scrubbed once during countdown and SN9 recycled and flew after the range violation so I don't think that's a guarantee at all

[Anonymous No.12780405]

>>12780399
>>12780396
& >>12780016

[Anonymous No.12780416]

hop thread up for your pleasure
>>12780412
>>12780412
>>12780412

[Anonymous No.12780457]

>>12780416
One hour too early.

[Anonymous No.12780474]

>>12780416
NSF time is always off by like 2 hours so they can rake in superchats. oink oink

[Anonymous No.12780488]

>Page 10

Staging the threads: >>12780483

>>12780483

>>12780483

>>12780483

[Anonymous No.12780517]

>>12777887
the "thrust vanes" are stupid and a great way of generating slag as well as greatly reducing Isp and thrust. A far better conceptual design would simply use a mostly vacuum-optimized nozzle with a variable geometry lip right around the nozzle exit, which could be curled into the exhaust jet to produce a shock front that would eliminate flow separation at high ambient pressures. Also since they're assuming some kind of magic high TWR nuclear rocket anyway may as well throw in a turbofan air intake for unlimited atmospheric flight cruising range, which would work by compressing atmosphere and heating it with the reactor before letting it blow out the nozzle.

[Anonymous No.12780524]

>>12777922
Neutron is much shorter and lower mass than even the original Falcon 9

[Anonymous No.12780534]

>>12777934
Evolution found a local maximum for ideal genes and gene expression, and keeps eliminating divergence from than maximum ideal. This will remain true until the environment changes in a way that affects the horseshoe crabs. I actually agree with you though, despite effectively zero morphological changes over hundred of millions of years I have little doubt that those creatures have changed in terms of their tolerance for certain chemicals and salinity levels in the water, as well as water temperatures and so forth. It's just that nothing has yet had a drastic enough effect that the crabs needed to change beyond the biochemical level.

[Anonymous No.12780572]

>>12778173
People mention race whatsoever and I mentally check out and leave. I don't give a fuck about race, sex, whatever, none of it matters, NONE of it. I'm way way beyond the level of shitflinging about skin color or ethnicity I DON'T CAAARE I JUST WANT HUMANS TO COLONIZE SPACE FUCK
Morgan Freeman said it best during that interview where the jewish guy asked him about black history month and he said it was ridiculous and he didn't want it. Morgan was like "the way we move past racism is to stop talking about race". He's right. The only time I EVER think about race is when I am FORCED to because of other people bringing it up.

[Anonymous No.12780617]

>>12778250
The problem isn't human extinction per say, the problem is that a lot of civilization infrastructure and shit is going to end up proverbially high and dry when climatic patterns change, which will require very large amounts of investment into development of solutions and/or migrations to better areas.
Basically we've been playing on easy mode and ignoring a lot of risks in our systems because the chances of those events occurring has been historically very low. See Texas got a little cold and shit itself as an example.
The problem is not that everyone will die in a global firestorm, the problem is economic depression due to 90% of countries and states needing to go back and redo their homework. Very survivable unless resource wars ignite in which case your personal chances of being fed into a muddy tropical shitstorm meat grinder war in China or Africa will increase substantially.
That all being said, if we had cheap energy in high volumes climate change would literally stop being a problem permanently.
>Oh no rain for 5 years straight? That's fine we're desalinating 1 billion liters of sea water per day at the cost of 0.01c per 1000 liters and irrigating the entire country plus satisfying all our municipal water needs.
>Oh too much torrential rain? That's fine we installed water pumps and a series of tubes and we have a capacity to move 1 trillion liters of water per day into reservoirs or out to sea or a thousand km across the country where the land is trying to desertify, at the cost of $100,000 in electricity per week and $50 million per year in hardware maintenance.

[Anonymous No.12780625]

>>12778274
Elon is African, he represents the combined total drive to explore and innovate of every African distilled into a single person. No wonder he left that shithole lmao